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December 2, 2023 - “BETH”

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I have a “feeling” on December 2nd,
Peter Criss will walk out,
without makeup,
(without Eric Singer “playing” piano)
and sing “Beth”
while handing out blue roses.

What are the odds ?
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Re: December 2, 2023 - “BETH”

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A million to one like one of their 80s songs.
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Re: December 2, 2023 - “BETH”

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KLP68 wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:07 pm A million to one like one of their 80s songs.
So, you’re saying there’s a chance!
😂
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pete1699 wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:13 pm
KLP68 wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:07 pm A million to one like one of their 80s songs.
So, you’re saying there’s a chance!
😂
No :lol: But that song popped into my head. I admit I paid no attention to KISS in the 80s except Creatures Of The Night and I saw KISS for the first time in 1983 in San Antonio.
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I’m thinking Gene is gonna get VERY emotional.
He (and Eric Singer) will appeal to Paul ,
to “do the right thing” for the FINAL show…
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I feel like not only would it be appropriate, but it’s very easy to pull off. I’ve sort of imagined this scenario as well.
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warmachine731 wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:22 pm I feel like not only would it be appropriate,
but it’s very easy to pull off.
EXACTLY
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They could do something like that, except no Eric on stage, no piano, nothing but a stool. The recording plays, people expect it to be Singer…but it’s Peter. The place would go nuts.
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Not gonna happen. Same old EOTR show at higher revenue value with all merch, etc.
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Robdaddy wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:42 pm They could do something like that, except no Eric on stage, no piano, nothing but a stool. The recording plays, people expect it to be Singer…but it’s Peter. The place would go nuts.
Except?

That exactly what I said in the original post:

“…Peter Criss will walk out,
without makeup,
(without Eric Singer “playing” piano)
and sing “Beth”
while handing out blue roses…”
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The only thing that will be different about this show is that Kiss will bring their family members on stage.
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Re: December 2, 2023 - “BETH”

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caligari wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:48 pm
Robdaddy wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:42 pm They could do something like that, except no Eric on stage, no piano, nothing but a stool. The recording plays, people expect it to be Singer…but it’s Peter. The place would go nuts.
Except?

That exactly what I said in the original post:

“…Peter Criss will walk out,
without makeup,
(without Eric Singer “playing” piano)
and sing “Beth”
while handing out blue roses…”
Dangit….sorry…..tired….wasn’t reading carefully. Apologies, my friend…

I’d go back and edit, but I’ll leave my mistake out there. ;)

Great idea, BTW… Except I’d have Peter in makeup.
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Love it but about as much chance as ace coming out and playing 10,000 volts and Paul yelling “ace frehely lead guitar!!!!! New single out Monday!”
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Re: December 2, 2023 - “BETH”

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how about a little nod to ALIVE II for the encores...
1. Hard luck Woman to replace Beth
2. We got a little surprise for you tonight.....
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Would be great but not going to happen.
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never say never. more impossible things happened.
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The Silver Spoon wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:05 pm Love it but about as much chance as ace coming out and playing 10,000 volts and Paul yelling “ace frehely lead guitar!!!!! New single out Monday!”
Or about as much Chance as THE ORIGINAL FOUR reuniting prior to 1995 ?

Remember “Never Say Never”
and more to the point what Gene said at the Intrepid Press Conference… “So Fuckin’ what…”

NO makeup… sure Peter is “the real Catman”,
but doing it without the makeup could appeal to Peter’s sense of “self” and who he is, singing “his baby”.
NO costume… dress Peter “classy”, similar to what he wore at the RARHOF induction ceremony.

It would be to too EASY…
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d4nugster wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:40 pm never say never. more impossible things happened.
THIS is my thinking…
No harm, no foul either way.

It would be awesome and would take NO Effort At All
to make happen.
No rehearsal, No lip syncing, no click track, no costume, no makeup…

I think Gene would LOVE IT
and cry like a baby, along with Peter,
while MSG goes wild.

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I wish for it
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Deuce Frehley wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:58 pm Welcome to Fantasy Island
No, the “Fantasy Island” version is…

The stage is basked in green lights,
the New York Symphonic Orchestra
begins the song as a grande piano rises
from under, revealing special guest,
“the piano man”:
Billy Joel

A woman in her early 70’s
Becky, the original “Beck”
Sits on a stool center stage

Peter Criss, in full “DESTROYER”costume
but wearing the makeup design from
the cover of KISS’s 1974 debut album,
enters singing from stage right…
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Would be so damn cool. 🐱
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Re: December 2, 2023 - “BETH”

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d4nugster wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:40 pm never say never. more impossible things happened.

Yup.

Frankly, Eric Singer cosplaying Peter Criss all alone on stage faking "Beth" on normal nights is bad enough, but for the final show it actually cheapens the awesome and significant event and makes it a farce. Getting Peter there for 'Beth' would be a master stroke for Kiss, not to mention generate a lot of good word of mouth. Good way to go out.
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Re: December 2, 2023 - “BETH”

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I really and truly think it all comes down to Paul’s ego. I’d love to think and say that at this point he’s matured enough to let bygones be such and do something like you’re proposing. But I really just don’t see that happening. Just this week a thread was created about someone’s backstage m&g guitar experience. The fan asked Paul to extend a birthday greeting for his 14 year old grandkid, and all
Paul could come up with was “happy birthday, such and such. Where are you? I’m here. And you’re not.” Or something to that effect. In Paul’s mind, all orbits around Paul. And that likely means no room for Peter, or ace, on Dec 2 or any date thereafter. But that’s just my two cents.
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Re: December 2, 2023 - “BETH”

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If I were to wager on anything like what you are suggesting, it would be in the form of Z00M call with Peter, Ace, Bruce ... and possibly Vinnie ... all on the big screen. Give them, maybe 30 seconds, to say something awkward, pretending like they'd never left the band. Like this is the first show they collectively missed. Then, start up the last song and have them all sing/play along. Very cringe, to be sure ... but also very emotional. The Z00M callers get applauded and that's it.
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Re: December 2, 2023 - “BETH”

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Bruce wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:40 pm If I were to wager on anything like what you are suggesting, it would be in the form of Z00M call with Peter, Ace, Bruce ... and possibly Vinnie ... all on the big screen. Give them, maybe 30 seconds, to say something awkward, pretending like they'd never left the band. Like this is the first show they collectively missed. Then, start up the last song and have them all sing/play along. Very cringe, to be sure ... but also very emotional. The Z00M callers get applauded and that's it.
I'm guessing instead there will be a special video played probably before the show begins made for the final night (or two) that shows a bit of the history.
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Re: December 2, 2023 - “BETH”

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Certainly possible! Perhaps, even likely. I know that it seems so obvious to some that Ace & Pete WILL be on that stage, most definitely. In a very reduced capacity, but they'll be there. I, however, do not see this as a forgone cinclusion ...
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After it, Gene could put a hand on both their shoulders.
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According to G&P they have been asked and both declined.
According to Ace he would do it if the money was right and a whole bunch of other insane demands, and oh and he'd do it for the fans. So that indicates his needs were not met.

I don't believe Peter has said anything, which leads me to believe he told G&P no (as they have stated) and he's not interested in talking about it in the press because he's over all of it and has been for years.

Paul hates Peter and I am guessing things aren't great with him and Ace either after the shit with the gloves a few months back. I also don't think Paul thinks its important to have A&P there nor does he care.

Both G&P constantly shit talk A&P so it's really no surprise A&P aren't interested.

Personally, I feel like A&P had their reunion and farewell and coming out 23 years later to sing 2 songs really doesn't mean anything to me and I am an OG KISS fan and I am going to be in the building on Dec 2.

I honestly don't understand why it is so important to so many people here.

I could see if Peter was struck down by some crippling disease that forced him to retire 20 years ago and the band soldiered on with a "fill in" for 20 years and they all loved each other and they wanted him to come out one last time. Sorta like Glenn Tipton in Judas Priest coming out for the encores every night.

But there was no disease, they just hate each other and have talked shit about each other for 20 years.
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Okay, okay…. so let’s talk details on this. If you were Peter, what’s your price? How much money would you expect to make to do this? What’s your absolute bottom line to where - if they don’t pay me “x” - I’m not going and Eric Singer can do it. Have fun Kissworld, Peter’s going to bed early.

And now pretend you’re Gene and Paul. You already know you have x amount of money that’s going to be made on those two days alone, whether the current band does thier road show or whether it’s a Kiss cosmic orgasm and every living person ever associated with the group is with you that last night.
So - Gene and Paul - what’s it worth to ya? How much would you pay these other people? What’s a fair wage? And remember - if you didn’t pay those extra guys… that money would go right to your bottom line and affect your individual earnings. So what kind of number are you willing to pay those guys?

There’s a definitive number for all parties in these situations to where either you say LOL, F-off goodbye; or you say, OK deal - I’ll do it.
That’s what needs to be determined.
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It'd be nice but I don't see it happening. Peter seems very settled and happy in his life these days. Why would he want to ruin this?
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Pete2174 wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:59 am It'd be nice but I don't see it happening. Peter seems very settled and happy in his life these days. Why would he want to ruin this?
I’ve really not cared one way or the other about the A and P thing all the way through this tour but reading this thread I kinda think it would be nice.
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Ex-band members who threatened to blackmail the band are rarely invited back
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And Ace will join them for NY Groove…
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Robdaddy wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:54 pm
caligari wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:48 pm
Robdaddy wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:42 pm They could do something like that, except no Eric on stage, no piano, nothing but a stool. The recording plays, people expect it to be Singer…but it’s Peter. The place would go nuts.
Except?

That exactly what I said in the original post:

“…Peter Criss will walk out,
without makeup,
(without Eric Singer “playing” piano)
and sing “Beth”
while handing out blue roses…”
Dangit….sorry…..tired….wasn’t reading carefully. Apologies, my friend…

I’d go back and edit, but I’ll leave my mistake out there. ;)

Great idea, BTW… Except I’d have Peter in makeup.
Was gonna say this ^^, doubt it will happen - but you never know :thumbup: . (I often post while tired / busy & don't read properly either :D )....
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Re: December 2, 2023 - “BETH”

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It would be nice but hard to happen.
In any case it'll be better if they just drop that song in this final concert :idea:
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Open your eeeeeyeeeeessssss, you can't deeeenyyyyyyyy.... It's just a faaaaantasssyyyyyyeeaah!! But I'd be more than happy to see Peter sing Beth. Same can't be said for Ace, though, sadly.
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Ideally Peter would come out and apologise for Beth and making us sit through it all these years, then get behind the kit for the ultimate version of Black Diamond.
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Re: December 2, 2023 - “BETH”

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caligari wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:57 pm I have a “feeling” on December 2nd,
Peter Criss will walk out,
without makeup,
(without Eric Singer “playing” piano)
and sing “Beth”
while handing out blue roses.

What are the odds ?
Zero. If Peter is smart.
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Tommyr wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:54 am
caligari wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:57 pm I have a “feeling” on December 2nd,
Peter Criss will walk out,
without makeup,
(without Eric Singer “playing” piano)
and sing “Beth”
while handing out blue roses.

What are the odds ?
Zero. If Peter is smart.
Why would that be?
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And while we’re at it, will Ace appear for New York Groove?
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Re: December 2, 2023 - “BETH”

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caligari wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:48 pm
d4nugster wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:40 pm never say never. more impossible things happened.
THIS is my thinking…
No harm, no foul either way.

It would be awesome and would take NO Effort At All
to make happen.
No rehearsal, No lip syncing, no click track, no costume, no makeup…

I think Gene would LOVE IT
and cry like a baby, along with Peter,
while MSG goes wild.

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It would be odd to have closure with Peter but not Ace. Someone mentioned Ace coming out for New York Groove. That, too, would make a lot of sense given the venue. NYG also seems like a "safe" Ace song that they can get through without it becoming a trainwreck.

I agree that you never say never with this band.
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Re: December 2, 2023 - “BETH”

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Ace’s last scheduled appearance for 2023 was on the 19th. Peter’s gracefully semi-retired. I’d still be surprised, but stranger things have happened.

If there was ever a night for New York Groove and Beth, 12/2 would be it.
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Paul will not be upstaged at their *wink wink* 'last show'...and by Peter of all people.
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Re: December 2, 2023 - “BETH”

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Peter can't play the piano part. No, wait....
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Re: December 2, 2023 - “BETH”

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Paul's fragile ego would never allow Peter and or Ace to take any attention away from him.
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Re: December 2, 2023 - “BETH”

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caligari wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:41 pm
The Silver Spoon wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:05 pm Love it but about as much chance as ace coming out and playing 10,000 volts and Paul yelling “ace frehely lead guitar!!!!! New single out Monday!”
Or about as much Chance as THE ORIGINAL FOUR reuniting prior to 1995 ?

Remember “Never Say Never”
I don't think the chances are anywhere near the same. Peter singing Beth at the last show doesn't line anyone's pockets nor does it put more butts in seats.

Would it be a nice gesture? Yes.
Would most fans love it? Absolutely.
However, it's a totally different set of circumstances.
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JohnBergless wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:55 am Okay, okay…. so let’s talk details on this. If you were Peter, what’s your price? How much money would you expect to make to do this? What’s your absolute bottom line to where - if they don’t pay me “x” - I’m not going and Eric Singer can do it. Have fun Kissworld, Peter’s going to bed early.

And now pretend you’re Gene and Paul. You already know you have x amount of money that’s going to be made on those two days alone, whether the current band does thier road show or whether it’s a Kiss cosmic orgasm and every living person ever associated with the group is with you that last night.
So - Gene and Paul - what’s it worth to ya? How much would you pay these other people? What’s a fair wage? And remember - if you didn’t pay those extra guys… that money would go right to your bottom line and affect your individual earnings. So what kind of number are you willing to pay those guys?

There’s a definitive number for all parties in these situations to where either you say LOL, F-off goodbye; or you say, OK deal - I’ll do it.
That’s what needs to be determined.
This is my point in a nutshell: if you have to be paid to take part in it then it loses any meaning whatsoever to me as a fan. It tells me you all hate each other and you don't give a shit about being there unless you get paid.
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Post by b.monkey4 »

the2000manskids wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:29 am Open your eeeeeyeeeeessssss, you can't deeeenyyyyyyyy.... It's just a faaaaantasssyyyyyyeeaah!! But I'd be more than happy to see Peter sing Beth. Same can't be said for Ace, though, sadly.
No, Ace singing Beth would be a horrible idea 😖