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February 26, 2018

SAD IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT

Ace Frehley trying to play guitar for 30 minutes mumbling to himself (Video)

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Is this video still available anywhere?
Has anyone seen it?
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What was this from??

It also said 'video no longer available'
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I think it's from one of the Vault things.
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StillAlive wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:07 pm February 26, 2018

SAD IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT

Ace Frehley trying to play guitar for 30 minutes mumbling to himself (Video)

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Most of the Vault guest appearances were pretty shambolic from everybody concerned from what I saw. I don't know whether some people were expecting some sort of professional MTV Unplugged scenario, but they tended to be more along the lines of a couple of people jamming half-songs badly.

Not sure why this one would be deemed particularly bad - the bar was pretty low.
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StillAlive wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:07 pm February 26, 2018


Ace Frehley trying to play guitar for 30 minutes mumbling to himself (Video)

please post said video
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No video = no proof.
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I am sure Alice Cooper picked Ace to open for him because he likes how he can't play the guitar.
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I remember this...between this and the Vinnie "non song playing" my assumption that anyone who is known to play music has 20 minutes of solo material at the ready, was dashed.
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We've all seen it before. It's from one of the Vault events. It was discussed to death already.
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Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:13 pm I am sure Alice Cooper picked Ace to open for him because he likes how he can't play the guitar.
Well. I mean.

Alice is quite known for his charity work, after all.
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Was it as disappointing as Kruise appearance?
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SaintN'Sinner83 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:22 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:13 pm I am sure Alice Cooper picked Ace to open for him because he likes how he can't play the guitar.
Well. I mean.

Alice is quite known for his charity work, after all.
Yes. Golf charities, etc. He like musicians who can play though.
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sugardaddy wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:25 pm Was it as disappointing as Kruise appearance?
Well there's this:



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Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:32 pm
SaintN'Sinner83 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:22 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:13 pm I am sure Alice Cooper picked Ace to open for him because he likes how he can't play the guitar.
Well. I mean.

Alice is quite known for his charity work, after all.
Yes. Golf charities, etc. He like musicians who can play though.
In his own band, sure.
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SaintN'Sinner83 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:39 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:32 pm
SaintN'Sinner83 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:22 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:13 pm I am sure Alice Cooper picked Ace to open for him because he likes how he can't play the guitar.
Well. I mean.

Alice is quite known for his charity work, after all.
Yes. Golf charities, etc. He like musicians who can play though.
In his own band, sure.
I am assuming that he also wouldn't want a mess of a guitarist opening for him and that he is well aware of his abilities hence the offer.
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SaintN'Sinner83 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:22 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:13 pm I am sure Alice Cooper picked Ace to open for him because he likes how he can't play the guitar.
Well. I mean.

Alice is quite known for his charity work, after all.
And clearly KISS is not, given the recent DLR situ.
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C'mon Ace -- don't be like that -- sharpen up!
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Bruce wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:46 pm C'mon Ace -- don't be like that -- sharpen up!
Does Ace use hearing aids?

Because that could be part of his problem, he cant hear what notes he is playing these days. :(
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steveh67 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:44 pm he cant hear what notes he is playing these days
I wish I was so lucky.
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Video without context. There is a story.
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According to that date, I seen him just a couple months later at the Indy expo, and he sounded great.
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I saw Ace in 2019.

Never again, sorry.
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SaintN'Sinner83 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:40 pm I saw Ace in 2019.

Never again, sorry.
Was it because he wasn't playing to a tape? I know some people like that now.
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Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:44 pm
SaintN'Sinner83 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:40 pm I saw Ace in 2019.

Never again, sorry.
Was it because he wasn't playing to a tape? I know some people like that now.
Ace sucked.

No amount of whataboutism about Paul's vocal backing track is going to make Ace sound not shit.

He sounded like he had mittens on while playing.
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SaintN'Sinner83 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:54 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:44 pm
SaintN'Sinner83 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:40 pm I saw Ace in 2019.

Never again, sorry.
Was it because he wasn't playing to a tape? I know some people like that now.
Ace sucked.

No amount of whataboutism about Paul's vocal backing track is going to make Ace sound not shit.

He sounded like he had mittens on while playing.
Fair enough if that was your experience. I just thought perhaps might have gotten used to a band now that plays to a tape across the board now.
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I don't think Ace could have ever handled the EOTR tour. Too unstable, too unpredictable, and at this point in their lives and careers, Gene and Paul don't need it.
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Doose wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:06 pm I don't think Ace could have ever handled the EOTR tour. Too unstable, too unpredictable, and at this point in their lives and careers, Gene and Paul don't need it.
That's rock and roll, baby. KISS shouldn't be a HEAVILY choreographed show like going to the Ice Capades where nothing changes regardless if you have seen it once or 1,000 times.
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I'm seeing Ace by proxy of me seeing Alice Cooper. I'll be 2nd row center. Let's see if he can do better than last time. For my sake, I hope he does.

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Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:13 pm I am sure Alice Cooper picked Ace to open for him because he likes how he can't play the guitar.
Alice Cooper could give a damn about whether Ace can or cannot play well.

Alice only cares about whether he thinks Ace can sell enough additional tickets to make Alice more money.

Or Alice only cares about whether promoters will pay him a higher guarantee with Ace on the bill than without him.
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Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:14 pm
Doose wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:06 pm I don't think Ace could have ever handled the EOTR tour. Too unstable, too unpredictable, and at this point in their lives and careers, Gene and Paul don't need it.
That's rock and roll, baby. KISS shouldn't be a HEAVILY choreographed show like going to the Ice Capades where nothing changes regardless if you have seen it once or 1,000 times.
It's rock and roll when you're 25. Not when you're 75. At some point Gene and Paul grew up. Ace never did. That's why Gene and Paul are worth millions, and Ace gloms off chicks and friends, and sells free guitars in hotels to unsuspecting fans.
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Starbandit74 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:25 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:13 pm I am sure Alice Cooper picked Ace to open for him because he likes how he can't play the guitar.
Alice Cooper could give a damn about whether Ace can or cannot play well.

Alice only cares about whether he thinks Ace can sell enough additional tickets to make Alice more money.

Or Alice only cares about whether promoters will pay him a higher guarantee with Ace on the bill than without him.
There are plenty other bands that could achieve the same result, if Alice thought Ace was a fucking mess.
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Doose wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:30 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:14 pm
Doose wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:06 pm I don't think Ace could have ever handled the EOTR tour. Too unstable, too unpredictable, and at this point in their lives and careers, Gene and Paul don't need it.
That's rock and roll, baby. KISS shouldn't be a HEAVILY choreographed show like going to the Ice Capades where nothing changes regardless if you have seen it once or 1,000 times.
It's rock and roll when you're 25. Not when you're 75. At some point Gene and Paul grew up. Ace never did. That's why Gene and Paul are worth millions, and Ace gloms off chicks and friends, and sells free guitars in hotels to unsuspecting fans.
And yet Paul and Gene have become far more embarrassing as they continue to drive KISS into the fucking ground.
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I think this video was on Mike Brunns channel and was taken down. There are still some videos there from these vault appearances all of which are quite bad, but that one was particularly bad - it's Aces equivalent of KISS You shook me performance in Tokyo.
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Doose wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:30 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:14 pm
Doose wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:06 pm I don't think Ace could have ever handled the EOTR tour. Too unstable, too unpredictable, and at this point in their lives and careers, Gene and Paul don't need it.
That's rock and roll, baby. KISS shouldn't be a HEAVILY choreographed show like going to the Ice Capades where nothing changes regardless if you have seen it once or 1,000 times.
It's rock and roll when you're 25. Not when you're 75. At some point Gene and Paul grew up. Ace never did. That's why Gene and Paul are worth millions, and Ace gloms off chicks and friends, and sells free guitars in hotels to unsuspecting fans.
Bingo.
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Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:33 pm
Starbandit74 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:25 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:13 pm I am sure Alice Cooper picked Ace to open for him because he likes how he can't play the guitar.
Alice Cooper could give a damn about whether Ace can or cannot play well.

Alice only cares about whether he thinks Ace can sell enough additional tickets to make Alice more money.

Or Alice only cares about whether promoters will pay him a higher guarantee with Ace on the bill than without him.
There are plenty other bands that could achieve the same result, if Alice thought Ace was a fucking mess.
So you're suggesting that people shouldn't believe their ears when they see and hear Ace playing badly but instead believe that he playes good because Alice Cooper chose him as an opener?
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Ratmir wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:39 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:33 pm
Starbandit74 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:25 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:13 pm I am sure Alice Cooper picked Ace to open for him because he likes how he can't play the guitar.
Alice Cooper could give a damn about whether Ace can or cannot play well.

Alice only cares about whether he thinks Ace can sell enough additional tickets to make Alice more money.

Or Alice only cares about whether promoters will pay him a higher guarantee with Ace on the bill than without him.
There are plenty other bands that could achieve the same result, if Alice thought Ace was a fucking mess.
So you're suggesting that people shouldn't believe their ears when they see and hear Ace playing badly but instead believe that he playes good because Alice Cooper chose him as an opener?
I don't know. Some people have also said that was great at their show. It's a good sign that Alice wants Ace to open for him.
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It wasn't a good sing when KISS hired DLR. I said it before I saw DLR, and I said it after. Why? I thought he was going to be shit. And surprise - he was.

Ace, performance-wise, is more consistently off or outright bad than 'good'.

We shall see how he does on this tour. Again, I paid for it.
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Just going to use the old favorite that's been used for over a decade on here: "But you never actually notice it live."
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Anomaly wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:57 pm Just going to use the old favorite that's been used for over a decade on here: "But you never actually notice it live."
That's honestly pretty true of vocals - to a degree.
Ace kinda sucks live singing - but I don't notice it.

If Eric is playing bored as a post - yeah, I notice it. If Tommy started fucking up notes, I'd notice it.

It's hard to hear even Gene at my last show.

Vocals are just lower in the mix, usually. That's not an endorsement of performance, though.
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At least he didn’t have a tape of his guitar playing
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Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:44 pm
Ratmir wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:39 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:33 pm
Starbandit74 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:25 pm

Alice Cooper could give a damn about whether Ace can or cannot play well.

Alice only cares about whether he thinks Ace can sell enough additional tickets to make Alice more money.

Or Alice only cares about whether promoters will pay him a higher guarantee with Ace on the bill than without him.
There are plenty other bands that could achieve the same result, if Alice thought Ace was a fucking mess.
So you're suggesting that people shouldn't believe their ears when they see and hear Ace playing badly but instead believe that he playes good because Alice Cooper chose him as an opener?
I don't know. Some people have also said that was great at their show. It's a good sign that Alice wants Ace to open for him.
Again, a lot of people say their EOTR show was great and Paul was singing live. I believe my ears.
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Ratmir wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:21 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:44 pm
Ratmir wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:39 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:33 pm

There are plenty other bands that could achieve the same result, if Alice thought Ace was a fucking mess.
So you're suggesting that people shouldn't believe their ears when they see and hear Ace playing badly but instead believe that he playes good because Alice Cooper chose him as an opener?
I don't know. Some people have also said that was great at their show. It's a good sign that Alice wants Ace to open for him.
Again, a lot of people say their EOTR show was great and PAul was singing live. I believe my ears.
We all know that KISS is barely live now. They all have help now or go through the motions because it is just easier to program/pre-record the whole show.
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Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:22 pm
Ratmir wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:21 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:44 pm
Ratmir wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:39 pm
So you're suggesting that people shouldn't believe their ears when they see and hear Ace playing badly but instead believe that he playes good because Alice Cooper chose him as an opener?
I don't know. Some people have also said that was great at their show. It's a good sign that Alice wants Ace to open for him.
Again, a lot of people say their EOTR show was great and PAul was singing live. I believe my ears.
We all know that KISS is barely live now. They all have help now or go through the motions because it is just easier to program/pre-record the whole show.
Which doesn't make Ace sound any better
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Re: Ace Frehley trying to play guitar for 30 minutes mumbling to himself (Video)

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I also think it was on Mike Brunn’s channel at one time. If so, it was indeed an atrocity. One of his saddest appearances. I believe this was around the time there were rumours of a relapse. To me, it looked (and sounded) like he may have been suffering from dementia. I really pitied him :sad:
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Re: Ace Frehley trying to play guitar for 30 minutes mumbling to himself (Video)

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As a side note, Ace was never about playing technique. I bet the last time he "sat down and practised" was in the mid-70's.
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Re: Ace Frehley trying to play guitar for 30 minutes mumbling to himself (Video)

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Doose wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:30 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:14 pm
Doose wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:06 pm I don't think Ace could have ever handled the EOTR tour. Too unstable, too unpredictable, and at this point in their lives and careers, Gene and Paul don't need it.
That's rock and roll, baby. KISS shouldn't be a HEAVILY choreographed show like going to the Ice Capades where nothing changes regardless if you have seen it once or 1,000 times.
It's rock and roll when you're 25. Not when you're 75. At some point Gene and Paul grew up. Ace never did.
Bingo. Grown men still buying into the myth of "rock n' roll baby!" is embarrassing. Especially with a band as manufactured as KISS. What, you think they just spontaneously erupted into the Deuce dance at random one day?
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Re: Ace Frehley trying to play guitar for 30 minutes mumbling to himself (Video)

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Ratmir wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:36 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:22 pm
Ratmir wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:21 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:44 pm

I don't know. Some people have also said that was great at their show. It's a good sign that Alice wants Ace to open for him.
Again, a lot of people say their EOTR show was great and PAul was singing live. I believe my ears.
We all know that KISS is barely live now. They all have help now or go through the motions because it is just easier to program/pre-record the whole show.
Which doesn't make Ace sound any better
No, but when one give a pass to something as incredibly pathetic as what KISS is doing now, it is hard to take them seriously when they are critical of a guitarist who has ALWAYS been lazy and sloppy. At least it's real.