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......I know this song doesn't seem to get much love, but it's one of my very favorite non-makeup songs, definitely in my top-ten. Great songwriting team-up by Gene and Tommy Thayer on this one. Anyone know a breakdown, who wrote what parts/lyrics? I know Kiss played it live once or twice, I wish I had seen that. Someone made a good "video" of the song here below.

BTW during the New York Rangers/Carolina Hurricanes hockey game today, "I Was Made for Lovin' You" was played before a face-off, good to hear.


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Pure filler!

Tommy lucked out.... without any publishing.... he still got $25,000 as his first royalty check thanks this crap being on those cassingles with Forever.

Boy, it really sucked live! Poor Gene....nothing at all was decent enough for the HITS TOUR. Gene was totally AWOL on albums from 1984-1991

Thankfully, it was performed at 2 club shows prior to the real tour and it sounded so GOSH AWFUL, it wasn't played on the actual tour.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTbpVOH22z8
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This link talks about details regarding Betrayed (a song which I also happen to be a fan of) ...

http://www.kissmonster.com/song_stories ... its_02.php

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It's OK. There are better Gene songs on the album. Overall the album is a low point for the band.

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Bruce wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:25 pm
This link talks about details regarding Betrayed (a song which I also happen to be a fan of) ...

http://www.kissmonster.com/song_stories ... its_02.php
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I honestly don't know much about this album.

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TheSphinx wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:24 pm

Thankfully, it was performed at 2 club shows prior to the real tour and it sounded so GOSH AWFUL, it wasn't played on the actual tour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTbpVOH22z8
Except for Eric Carr's unnecessary doubling up the double-bass drums right before the final choruses begin and a few times in the outro (great job otherwise by him), the song sounds absolutely killer live IMO.

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I like this song. Always loved "you know your backs against the wall and nobody gives a fuck."

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I've always liked the song.

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I really like this song. It was the first indication that many of Gene's material on HITS would be so much better than Paul's.

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One of Gene's best non-makeup songs.

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I like it , Boomerang as well
That’s it for that

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Love it, great song, great energy. HITS gets a lot of shit, but there are some/plenty great songs on it, this one is a great example. Live it was great too and I don't get why it was dropped.

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It is another good song from that era


hot in the shade had many well written songs on it

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Haven’t listened to that crap in like 30 years and clicked on the link to refresh my memory. Holy crap. It’s even worse than I remembered it. Awful. Just awful.

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I posted a thread in March of 2018 here asking if fans thought the song Betrayed was possibly a Positive song. The replies were mixed.

https://www.kissfaq.com/forum18/viewtop ... sitive+%3F

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Not a HITS fan, but at least I remember Betrayed. There are about ten songs on the album which are so bland that I don't even recall how they sound.

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Horrible

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One of my favorites off the album. Also one of my favorite Gene tunes from the 80s.

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It is also one of my favorites.

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Not the worst on HITS, but not Genes best either on a whole. It just sounds lifeless.

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Pretty good. Better than the rest of his pop-metal stuff on there. Should have stayed in the set and bumped the outdated Fits Like A Glove.


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THere's really no melody in there.....

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It's my favorite song on HITS and one of my non-makeup favorites!!!

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Drums ruin the song for me. Eric should have went with 2/4 in the snare instead of 4/4 and the song would have flowed much better.

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Sticky wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:10 am
Drums ruin the song for me. Eric should have went with 2/4 in the snare instead of 4/4 and the song would have flowed much better.
Sounds like a drum machine to me.

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sicksickphlL wrote:
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Horrible

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Elderguy wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:19 am
Pretty good. Better than the rest of his pop-metal stuff on there. Should have stayed in the set and bumped the outdated Fits Like A Glove.


Or click here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTbpVOH22z8
You hearing the same thing? My God that sounds even more awful live :D

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One of the very best from an album full of not-so-great tunes. "Betrayed" is a great one, though, and I agree it's never gotten the credit or love it deserves.

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I like it....I like Hot in the Shade, Bought it in High School.

never understood all the hate for it

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muddfoot wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:49 pm
I like it....

never understood all the hate for it
Same here! My sentiments, ecactly.

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Probably the best song on HITS.

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Pretty obscure album for me. If I ever went slightly AWOL as a fan for a moment it was during this period.
I did have tickets for a HITS gig but it was rescheduled and later cancelled. Big regret for me now actually. The song is a gem though.

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Phenomenal Gene tune! And I love the acoustic guitars beefing up the rhythms. Great lyrics too.

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Kloetenburger wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:13 am
Sticky wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:10 am
Drums ruin the song for me. Eric should have went with 2/4 in the snare instead of 4/4 and the song would have flowed much better.
Sounds like a drum machine to me.
Bruce said it was Carr playing drum pads...they didn't give him the time to re-record the drums properly in the studio.

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KingOfHearts89 wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:01 am
Elderguy wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:19 am
Pretty good. Better than the rest of his pop-metal stuff on there. Should have stayed in the set and bumped the outdated Fits Like A Glove.


Or click here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTbpVOH22z8
You hearing the same thing? My God that sounds even more awful live :D
Sounds pretty kick ass to me! Especially the lead break and Carr's double bass work.

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I like the song.

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Not terrible. Dont think it should have been the second track. Not as good of a song when in between Rise to It and Hide Your Heart. Prisoner of Love would have been good in the #2 slot.

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Always liked "Betrayed".

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Good variety of opinions. While I wouldn't tell anyone who doesn't like "Betrayed" (or HITS) to like it (even though they should :wink: ), it's good to see a bunch of fans of the tune.

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Always really liked this song and some of the sentiment behind it. Sometimes life ain't so bad even though we may perceive it to be...its good pick-me-up song sometimes..at least for me that is.

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I'm happy people enjoy it but I think it is one of the worst songs in the catalog. However, who am I to judge as I love every song on the Elder.

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I think Betrayed would have been a great song if they had hired a producer for HITS. The same can be said for 5-6 other songs on that album in my opinion.

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Mr Slow wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:33 pm
I think Betrayed would have been a great song if they had hired a producer for HITS. The same can be said for 5-6 other songs on that album in my opinion.
Agreed. There's a song in there but the thing just sounds annoying.

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I think a little more thought put into the drums would've helped. Also, I'm a riff guy, and for the life of me, I'm not sure what the riff is in that song. For instance, While the City Sleeps may have one riff with a bunch of different permutations (as well as a prechorus riff), but I can at least tell what the riff is. Same for Burn Bitch Burn.

Overall, like the song, but there is just not much of a riff there, which isn't helped by the mix.

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Gene's best song on HITS (along with Somewhere Between Heaven & Hell) but crappy production doesn't help it. Prefer Murder In High Heels and Any Way You Slice It though

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Love it.

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A terrible Gene song like all the rest of his songs on Hot In The Shade.

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I didn't really remember this one, so I hit play on the youtube link...

And it's just filler to me...nothing great, nothing terrible...it's just kind of there.

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Sticky wrote:
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Drums ruin the song for me. Eric should have went with 2/4 in the snare instead of 4/4 and the song would have flowed much better.
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