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Tommy vs Vinnie

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SaintN'Sinner83 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:34 pm
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Vinnie will be remembered as a legend.
The Hindenburg is also a legend. Also a disaster.
Vinnie is certainly not a legend. He has a cult following among core Kiss fans

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battra wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:26 pm
KISSCOMPLETE wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:00 am
battra wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:26 am
Mr Slow wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:28 am
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Vinnie achieved more in 18 months than Thayer has in 17 years. Thats not even debatable.
Ok let’s hear those achievements.
Walk over to your records and drop the needle on Lick It Up and get back to me.

What's great is you can actually HEAR his achievements!

My coffee is gooooood today, bhoy.
If I can make 13 million in 17 years getting coffee where do I sign up ?
Ohhh...I see what I did there.

I wasn't making a quip at Tommy and the coffee business, but I see why it sounds like it.

I was talking about the coffee I'd made. See, I'd been experimenting with different mixes of coffee grounds and switching to the Aldi band French Vanilla coffee was just so much better than the rest of it.

But, if you see riches, go seek them.

I'll continue to seek happiness and justice.
Frankly and in full disclosure , I don't need to seek riches . 😉 . Do with that whatever you will.

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Re: Tommy vs Vinnie

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redinthesky wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:31 pm
TheSphinx wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:23 pm
SaintN'Sinner83 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:25 pm

In two sentences you save me a lot of time. Thank you.

Of course you ignored my BODY SLAM of Alive/Destroyer and it not riding its coat tales


and look at the charts... Alive... out about 6 months... and maybe had done 1.2 to 1.4M or so during that time....

and Destroyed is already at #18 on Billboard in its 2nd week. :lol: :lol: But Destroyer wasn't riding ALIVE's success!

And already at 850,000 (sales or shipments) prior to Beth....

Picking the ALIVE example was really a HORRIBLE one

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You're crossing the line into being a pain in the ass joke again. Stop the stupid shit already, ok? Kiss Alive spent five weeks in the top-ten, 13 weeks in the top-20, and 17 weeks in the top-40, during a time when records sold by the trainloads, by the time "Destroyer" came out. Sheesh, every time there's a little bit of fun here and even you seem a bit tolerable, you gotta amp it up and start puking on everything again.
i bet the sphinx goes to Vinnie’s trailer every night and eats a dinner of canned dog food with him

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Re: Tommy vs Vinnie

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vinnie's work with KISS was phenomenal. the two records he had a hand in continue to be held in high regard by the fans. tommy's work with them comes off as formulaic and totally forgettable. it's a different matter if we discuss them as persons because tommy comes out miles in advance as a good employee.

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Re: Tommy vs Vinnie

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Grand Classic wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:08 pm
I think we can all agree that Vinnie has serious mental health issues that he may not be getting help for and I say that with all seriousness. Mental health is not something to mock or make jokes about.
If your "mental health" is good enough to rip off people, you aren't really that sick. Boo-fucking-hoo, break out the violins. I don't mock him because of his supposed mental issues, and I couldn't care less if he dresses like a female. I mock him because he's a hilariously self-proclaimed "legend" who is anything but.

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Re: Tommy vs Vinnie

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41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:31 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:32 pm
redinthesky wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:25 pm
Grand Classic wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:23 pm
redinthesky wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:18 pm
SaintN'Sinner83 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:09 pm
TheSphinx wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:03 pm
The vast majority of people couldn't name Tommy Thayer even now.
Yet Vinnie Vincent is sweeping the nation.
And today, Vinnie couldn't get a job at K-Mart sweeping the floor.
True, but at least his name isn't attached to garbage like Sonic Boom and Monster as an Ace Frehley impersonator.
Valid point. But at least Tommy is in the game in 2020. I gotta give him that over Vinnie, who has been useless for thirty years.
Wouldn't you rather be known for a moment of greatness and fading away over playing the role of Ace Frehley. Sure the money is nice, but can you really look at yourself in the mirror knowing that you are a fucking hack without even your own identity.
As a fan that is how you see it. Tommy is certainly ok with his decision. As are some fans. I used to hate it myself so I know where you are coming from. Personally I would take sustained career success
If I was able to be just be Tommy Thayer despite doing nothing of worth in KISS, I could totally live with that. I would have a problem though if I had to play the role of Ace Frehley and write space songs and essentially do my best to be someone else. That would fuck with my head, despite the money.

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Re: Tommy vs Vinnie

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redinthesky wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:00 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:08 pm
I think we can all agree that Vinnie has serious mental health issues that he may not be getting help for and I say that with all seriousness. Mental health is not something to mock or make jokes about.
If your "mental health" is good enough to rip off people, you aren't really that sick. Boo-fucking-hoo, break out the violins. I don't mock him because of his supposed mental issues, and I couldn't care less if he dresses like a female. I mock him because he's a hilariously self-proclaimed "legend" who is anything but.
I see you don't understand mental health issues. I am not making an excuse for what he has done, but he is clearly not well vs. any notion that he is just sitting at home laughing his ass off that he has rip off his fans again.

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Re: Tommy vs Vinnie

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Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:02 am
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:31 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:32 pm
redinthesky wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:25 pm
Grand Classic wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:23 pm
redinthesky wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:18 pm
SaintN'Sinner83 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:09 pm
TheSphinx wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:03 pm
The vast majority of people couldn't name Tommy Thayer even now.
Yet Vinnie Vincent is sweeping the nation.
And today, Vinnie couldn't get a job at K-Mart sweeping the floor.
True, but at least his name isn't attached to garbage like Sonic Boom and Monster as an Ace Frehley impersonator.
Valid point. But at least Tommy is in the game in 2020. I gotta give him that over Vinnie, who has been useless for thirty years.
Wouldn't you rather be known for a moment of greatness and fading away over playing the role of Ace Frehley. Sure the money is nice, but can you really look at yourself in the mirror knowing that you are a fucking hack without even your own identity.
As a fan that is how you see it. Tommy is certainly ok with his decision. As are some fans. I used to hate it myself so I know where you are coming from. Personally I would take sustained career success
If I was able to be just be Tommy Thayer despite doing nothing of worth in KISS, I could totally live with that. I would have a problem though if I had to play the role of Ace Frehley and write space songs and essentially do my best to be someone else. That would fuck with my head, despite the money.
I get that. Maybe you would even not take the position. Tommy likely has no such reservations.

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Re: Tommy vs Vinnie

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d4nugster wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:57 am
vinnie's work with KISS was phenomenal. the two records he had a hand in continue to be held in high regard by the fans. tommy's work with them comes off as formulaic and totally forgettable. it's a different matter if we discuss them as persons because tommy comes out miles in advance as a good employee.

And throw in Revenge as well. Tommy had been co-writing with them on HITS....had the huge filler track BETRAYED as well as another FILLER TRACK "The Street Giveth".

Compare that to Vinnie's work on Revenge and they could have easily used at least 6 if not more of the Vinnie songs he came up with for the album.

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Re: Tommy vs Vinnie

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41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:19 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:02 am
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:31 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:32 pm
redinthesky wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:25 pm
Grand Classic wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:23 pm
redinthesky wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:18 pm
SaintN'Sinner83 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:09 pm
TheSphinx wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:03 pm
The vast majority of people couldn't name Tommy Thayer even now.
Yet Vinnie Vincent is sweeping the nation.
And today, Vinnie couldn't get a job at K-Mart sweeping the floor.
True, but at least his name isn't attached to garbage like Sonic Boom and Monster as an Ace Frehley impersonator.
Valid point. But at least Tommy is in the game in 2020. I gotta give him that over Vinnie, who has been useless for thirty years.
Wouldn't you rather be known for a moment of greatness and fading away over playing the role of Ace Frehley. Sure the money is nice, but can you really look at yourself in the mirror knowing that you are a fucking hack without even your own identity.
As a fan that is how you see it. Tommy is certainly ok with his decision. As are some fans. I used to hate it myself so I know where you are coming from. Personally I would take sustained career success
If I was able to be just be Tommy Thayer despite doing nothing of worth in KISS, I could totally live with that. I would have a problem though if I had to play the role of Ace Frehley and write space songs and essentially do my best to be someone else. That would fuck with my head, despite the money.
I get that. Maybe you would even not take the position. Tommy likely has no such reservations.
Well to be fair, we don't know how he really feels.

I am sure the Tommy Thayer bashing has bothered him and all the Ace this and Ace that has been difficult to deal with. He's a professional, so he will always do his best - but I have no doubt that when he is home alone with his thoughts - it has fucked with his head from time to time. I am sure Tommy wishes he could have been in the band without the makeup.

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Re: Tommy vs Vinnie

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Sphinx/Vinnie reminds me of Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite.

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Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:30 am
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:19 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:02 am
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:31 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:32 pm
redinthesky wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:25 pm
Grand Classic wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:23 pm
redinthesky wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:18 pm
SaintN'Sinner83 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:09 pm


Yet Vinnie Vincent is sweeping the nation.
And today, Vinnie couldn't get a job at K-Mart sweeping the floor.
True, but at least his name isn't attached to garbage like Sonic Boom and Monster as an Ace Frehley impersonator.
Valid point. But at least Tommy is in the game in 2020. I gotta give him that over Vinnie, who has been useless for thirty years.
Wouldn't you rather be known for a moment of greatness and fading away over playing the role of Ace Frehley. Sure the money is nice, but can you really look at yourself in the mirror knowing that you are a fucking hack without even your own identity.
As a fan that is how you see it. Tommy is certainly ok with his decision. As are some fans. I used to hate it myself so I know where you are coming from. Personally I would take sustained career success
If I was able to be just be Tommy Thayer despite doing nothing of worth in KISS, I could totally live with that. I would have a problem though if I had to play the role of Ace Frehley and write space songs and essentially do my best to be someone else. That would fuck with my head, despite the money.
I get that. Maybe you would even not take the position. Tommy likely has no such reservations.
Well to be fair, we don't know how he really feels.

I am sure the Tommy Thayer bashing has bothered him and all the Ace this and Ace that has been difficult to deal with. He's a professional, so he will always do his best - but I have no doubt that when he is home alone with his thoughts - it has fucked with his head from time to time. I am sure Tommy wishes he could have been in the band without the makeup.
Respectfully, that is how you feel about his position in the band and that has no bearing on him or cannot be projected onto him at all. We don't know Tommy at all as a person like you said but there is nothing to remotely suggest he would feel that way. The guy always has a smile on his face and he lives a much different life than us and likely sees things from much different perspectives than fans do.

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Re: Tommy vs Vinnie

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41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:42 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:30 am
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:19 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:02 am
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:31 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:32 pm
redinthesky wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:25 pm
Grand Classic wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:23 pm
redinthesky wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:18 pm


And today, Vinnie couldn't get a job at K-Mart sweeping the floor.
True, but at least his name isn't attached to garbage like Sonic Boom and Monster as an Ace Frehley impersonator.
Valid point. But at least Tommy is in the game in 2020. I gotta give him that over Vinnie, who has been useless for thirty years.
Wouldn't you rather be known for a moment of greatness and fading away over playing the role of Ace Frehley. Sure the money is nice, but can you really look at yourself in the mirror knowing that you are a fucking hack without even your own identity.
As a fan that is how you see it. Tommy is certainly ok with his decision. As are some fans. I used to hate it myself so I know where you are coming from. Personally I would take sustained career success
If I was able to be just be Tommy Thayer despite doing nothing of worth in KISS, I could totally live with that. I would have a problem though if I had to play the role of Ace Frehley and write space songs and essentially do my best to be someone else. That would fuck with my head, despite the money.
I get that. Maybe you would even not take the position. Tommy likely has no such reservations.
Well to be fair, we don't know how he really feels.

I am sure the Tommy Thayer bashing has bothered him and all the Ace this and Ace that has been difficult to deal with. He's a professional, so he will always do his best - but I have no doubt that when he is home alone with his thoughts - it has fucked with his head from time to time. I am sure Tommy wishes he could have been in the band without the makeup.
Respectfully, that is how you feel about his position in the band and that has no bearing on him or cannot be projected onto him at all. We don't know Tommy at all as a person like you said but there is nothing to remotely suggest he would feel that way. The guy always has a smile on his face and he lives a much different life than us and likely sees things from much different perspectives than fans do.
I think it is entirely reasonable to say that it would fuck with anyone in his position. No projecting needed.

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Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:17 pm
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:42 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:30 am
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:19 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:02 am
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:31 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:32 pm
redinthesky wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:25 pm
Grand Classic wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:23 pm


True, but at least his name isn't attached to garbage like Sonic Boom and Monster as an Ace Frehley impersonator.
Valid point. But at least Tommy is in the game in 2020. I gotta give him that over Vinnie, who has been useless for thirty years.
Wouldn't you rather be known for a moment of greatness and fading away over playing the role of Ace Frehley. Sure the money is nice, but can you really look at yourself in the mirror knowing that you are a fucking hack without even your own identity.
As a fan that is how you see it. Tommy is certainly ok with his decision. As are some fans. I used to hate it myself so I know where you are coming from. Personally I would take sustained career success
If I was able to be just be Tommy Thayer despite doing nothing of worth in KISS, I could totally live with that. I would have a problem though if I had to play the role of Ace Frehley and write space songs and essentially do my best to be someone else. That would fuck with my head, despite the money.
I get that. Maybe you would even not take the position. Tommy likely has no such reservations.
Well to be fair, we don't know how he really feels.

I am sure the Tommy Thayer bashing has bothered him and all the Ace this and Ace that has been difficult to deal with. He's a professional, so he will always do his best - but I have no doubt that when he is home alone with his thoughts - it has fucked with his head from time to time. I am sure Tommy wishes he could have been in the band without the makeup.
Respectfully, that is how you feel about his position in the band and that has no bearing on him or cannot be projected onto him at all. We don't know Tommy at all as a person like you said but there is nothing to remotely suggest he would feel that way. The guy always has a smile on his face and he lives a much different life than us and likely sees things from much different perspectives than fans do.
I think it is entirely reasonable to say that it would fuck with anyone in his position. No projecting needed.
I do not agree. He likely has much different perspectives on it than we can envision.

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41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:20 pm
Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:17 pm
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:42 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:30 am
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:19 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:02 am
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:31 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:32 pm
redinthesky wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:25 pm


Valid point. But at least Tommy is in the game in 2020. I gotta give him that over Vinnie, who has been useless for thirty years.
Wouldn't you rather be known for a moment of greatness and fading away over playing the role of Ace Frehley. Sure the money is nice, but can you really look at yourself in the mirror knowing that you are a fucking hack without even your own identity.
As a fan that is how you see it. Tommy is certainly ok with his decision. As are some fans. I used to hate it myself so I know where you are coming from. Personally I would take sustained career success
If I was able to be just be Tommy Thayer despite doing nothing of worth in KISS, I could totally live with that. I would have a problem though if I had to play the role of Ace Frehley and write space songs and essentially do my best to be someone else. That would fuck with my head, despite the money.
I get that. Maybe you would even not take the position. Tommy likely has no such reservations.
Well to be fair, we don't know how he really feels.

I am sure the Tommy Thayer bashing has bothered him and all the Ace this and Ace that has been difficult to deal with. He's a professional, so he will always do his best - but I have no doubt that when he is home alone with his thoughts - it has fucked with his head from time to time. I am sure Tommy wishes he could have been in the band without the makeup.
Respectfully, that is how you feel about his position in the band and that has no bearing on him or cannot be projected onto him at all. We don't know Tommy at all as a person like you said but there is nothing to remotely suggest he would feel that way. The guy always has a smile on his face and he lives a much different life than us and likely sees things from much different perspectives than fans do.
I think it is entirely reasonable to say that it would fuck with anyone in his position. No projecting needed.
I do not agree. He likely has much different perspectives on it than we can envision.
I disagree. There is no perspective that we can't envision.

He is simply willing to do it for the money and the fact that he really had nothing else going on his life. It's the truth. He wasn't able to make a living as a guitarist. I am not suggesting that he isn't happy or that the Ace this and Ace that is constantly bothering him, but I just think it is simply human that from time to time - it might fuck with him a bit. I am sure he would rather be like Bruce Kulick and go out there into the world or promote himself in the world without having to look like Ace.

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Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:34 pm
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:20 pm
Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:17 pm
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:42 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:30 am
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:19 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:02 am
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:31 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:32 pm


Wouldn't you rather be known for a moment of greatness and fading away over playing the role of Ace Frehley. Sure the money is nice, but can you really look at yourself in the mirror knowing that you are a fucking hack without even your own identity.
As a fan that is how you see it. Tommy is certainly ok with his decision. As are some fans. I used to hate it myself so I know where you are coming from. Personally I would take sustained career success
If I was able to be just be Tommy Thayer despite doing nothing of worth in KISS, I could totally live with that. I would have a problem though if I had to play the role of Ace Frehley and write space songs and essentially do my best to be someone else. That would fuck with my head, despite the money.
I get that. Maybe you would even not take the position. Tommy likely has no such reservations.
Well to be fair, we don't know how he really feels.

I am sure the Tommy Thayer bashing has bothered him and all the Ace this and Ace that has been difficult to deal with. He's a professional, so he will always do his best - but I have no doubt that when he is home alone with his thoughts - it has fucked with his head from time to time. I am sure Tommy wishes he could have been in the band without the makeup.
Respectfully, that is how you feel about his position in the band and that has no bearing on him or cannot be projected onto him at all. We don't know Tommy at all as a person like you said but there is nothing to remotely suggest he would feel that way. The guy always has a smile on his face and he lives a much different life than us and likely sees things from much different perspectives than fans do.
I think it is entirely reasonable to say that it would fuck with anyone in his position. No projecting needed.
I do not agree. He likely has much different perspectives on it than we can envision.
I disagree. There is no perspective that we can't envision.

He is simply willing to do it for the money and the fact that he really had nothing else going on his life. It's the truth. He wasn't able to make a living as a guitarist. I am not suggesting that he isn't happy or that the Ace this and Ace that is constantly bothering him, but I just think it is simply human that from time to time - it might fuck with him a bit. I am sure he would rather be like Bruce Kulick and go out there into the world or promote himself in the world without having to look like Ace.

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Or he might just be totally happy to be doing what he is doing.
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Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:34 pm
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:20 pm
Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:17 pm
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:42 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:30 am
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:19 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:02 am
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:31 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:32 pm


Wouldn't you rather be known for a moment of greatness and fading away over playing the role of Ace Frehley. Sure the money is nice, but can you really look at yourself in the mirror knowing that you are a fucking hack without even your own identity.
As a fan that is how you see it. Tommy is certainly ok with his decision. As are some fans. I used to hate it myself so I know where you are coming from. Personally I would take sustained career success
If I was able to be just be Tommy Thayer despite doing nothing of worth in KISS, I could totally live with that. I would have a problem though if I had to play the role of Ace Frehley and write space songs and essentially do my best to be someone else. That would fuck with my head, despite the money.
I get that. Maybe you would even not take the position. Tommy likely has no such reservations.
Well to be fair, we don't know how he really feels.

I am sure the Tommy Thayer bashing has bothered him and all the Ace this and Ace that has been difficult to deal with. He's a professional, so he will always do his best - but I have no doubt that when he is home alone with his thoughts - it has fucked with his head from time to time. I am sure Tommy wishes he could have been in the band without the makeup.
Respectfully, that is how you feel about his position in the band and that has no bearing on him or cannot be projected onto him at all. We don't know Tommy at all as a person like you said but there is nothing to remotely suggest he would feel that way. The guy always has a smile on his face and he lives a much different life than us and likely sees things from much different perspectives than fans do.
I think it is entirely reasonable to say that it would fuck with anyone in his position. No projecting needed.
I do not agree. He likely has much different perspectives on it than we can envision.
I disagree. There is no perspective that we can't envision.

He is simply willing to do it for the money and the fact that he really had nothing else going on his life. It's the truth. He wasn't able to make a living as a guitarist. I am not suggesting that he isn't happy or that the Ace this and Ace that is constantly bothering him, but I just think it is simply human that from time to time - it might fuck with him a bit. I am sure he would rather be like Bruce Kulick and go out there into the world or promote himself in the world without having to look like Ace.

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Or he might just be totally happy to be doing what he is doing.
We will disagree

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41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:42 pm
Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:34 pm
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:20 pm
Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:17 pm
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:42 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:30 am
41Mets wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:19 am
Grand Classic wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:02 am
41Mets wrote:
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As a fan that is how you see it. Tommy is certainly ok with his decision. As are some fans. I used to hate it myself so I know where you are coming from. Personally I would take sustained career success
If I was able to be just be Tommy Thayer despite doing nothing of worth in KISS, I could totally live with that. I would have a problem though if I had to play the role of Ace Frehley and write space songs and essentially do my best to be someone else. That would fuck with my head, despite the money.
I get that. Maybe you would even not take the position. Tommy likely has no such reservations.
Well to be fair, we don't know how he really feels.

I am sure the Tommy Thayer bashing has bothered him and all the Ace this and Ace that has been difficult to deal with. He's a professional, so he will always do his best - but I have no doubt that when he is home alone with his thoughts - it has fucked with his head from time to time. I am sure Tommy wishes he could have been in the band without the makeup.
Respectfully, that is how you feel about his position in the band and that has no bearing on him or cannot be projected onto him at all. We don't know Tommy at all as a person like you said but there is nothing to remotely suggest he would feel that way. The guy always has a smile on his face and he lives a much different life than us and likely sees things from much different perspectives than fans do.
I think it is entirely reasonable to say that it would fuck with anyone in his position. No projecting needed.
I do not agree. He likely has much different perspectives on it than we can envision.
I disagree. There is no perspective that we can't envision.

He is simply willing to do it for the money and the fact that he really had nothing else going on his life. It's the truth. He wasn't able to make a living as a guitarist. I am not suggesting that he isn't happy or that the Ace this and Ace that is constantly bothering him, but I just think it is simply human that from time to time - it might fuck with him a bit. I am sure he would rather be like Bruce Kulick and go out there into the world or promote himself in the world without having to look like Ace.

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Or he might just be totally happy to be doing what he is doing.
We will disagree
Logic and the human factor would dictate that both can be true at the same time.

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I am sure he would rather be like Bruce Kulick and go out there into the world or promote himself in the world without having to look like Ace.

Seriously??! Bruce would trade places with Tommy in a heartbeat!

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TheSphinx wrote:
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I am sure he would rather be like Bruce Kulick and go out there into the world or promote himself in the world without having to look like Ace.

Seriously??! Bruce would trade places with Tommy in a heartbeat!
And so would Vinnie.

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I am sure he would rather be like Bruce Kulick and go out there into the world or promote himself in the world without having to look like Ace.

Seriously??! Bruce would trade places with Tommy in a heartbeat!
I have always gotten the sense that Bruce would have not wanted to wear the Ace makeup.

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Bruce would trade places with Tommy in a heartbeat!
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I don't know if it's a younger generation thing or people are just bitter about Vinnie, but I find it amusing how some people want to downplay albums now that have consistently been considered among the best that KISS have ever done for decades now. Creatures and LIU. That is simply a fact.

What you may prefer is irrelevant in this regard. Asylum and Crazy Nights - even Animalize are not considered a high point for the band creatively - they are considered part of their decline regardless of album sales.

This is a pretty reasonable list with some albums going higher or lower a few slots. LIU is typically a top 10 album or on the cusp of that for most KISS fans and lists like this. Creatures is often a top 5 album.

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/kiss-albums-ranked/

So you hate Vinnie - OK. Let's just not downplay the great albums by most accounts that he was a part of.

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I don't know if it's a younger generation thing or people are just bitter about Vinnie, but I find it amusing how some people want to downplay albums now that have consistently been considered among the best that KISS have ever done for decades now. Creatures and LIU. That is simply a fact.

What you may prefer is irrelevant in this regard. Asylum and Crazy Nights - even Animalize are not considered a high point for the band creatively - they are considered part of their decline regardless of album sales.

This is a pretty reasonable list with some albums going higher or lower a few slots. LIU is typically a top 10 album or on the cusp of that for most KISS fans and lists like this. Creatures is often a top 5 album.

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/kiss-albums-ranked/

So you hate Vinnie - OK. Let's just not downplay the great albums by most accounts that he was a part of.

Well, I certainly don't agree with that list. Revenge IS NOWHERE NEAR as good Lick It Up.... and LIU is better than CREATURES

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I don't know if it's a younger generation thing or people are just bitter about Vinnie, but I find it amusing how some people want to downplay albums now that have consistently been considered among the best that KISS have ever done for decades now. Creatures and LIU. That is simply a fact.

What you may prefer is irrelevant in this regard. Asylum and Crazy Nights - even Animalize are not considered a high point for the band creatively - they are considered part of their decline regardless of album sales.

This is a pretty reasonable list with some albums going higher or lower a few slots. LIU is typically a top 10 album or on the cusp of that for most KISS fans and lists like this. Creatures is often a top 5 album.

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/kiss-albums-ranked/

So you hate Vinnie - OK. Let's just not downplay the great albums by most accounts that he was a part of.

Well, I certainly don't agree with that list. Revenge IS NOWHERE NEAR as good Lick It Up.... and LIU is better than CREATURES
I said some albums may go up and down, but the list is certainly reasonable. Where does Revenge place for you then with the rest of the albums?

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I said some albums may go up and down, but the list is certainly reasonable. Where does Revenge place for you then with the rest of the albums?
On a list like that .... 10 to 12 probably fine. But LIU should always be Top 5 and ahead of COTN

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I said some albums may go up and down, but the list is certainly reasonable. Where does Revenge place for you then with the rest of the albums?
On a list like that .... 10 to 12 probably fine. But LIU should always be Top 5 and ahead of COTN
I am surprised, since you wrote Unholy.

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Grand Classic wrote:
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I said some albums may go up and down, but the list is certainly reasonable. Where does Revenge place for you then with the rest of the albums?
On a list like that .... 10 to 12 probably fine. But LIU should always be Top 5 and ahead of COTN
I am surprised, since you wrote Unholy.
I had NOTHING to do with UNHOLY.

and if Kiss had used the 6+ songs that Vinnie came up with the album would be much better. And if Vinnie had taken Gene up on his offer to play on the album... the album really would have kicked ***

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Considering 'I Just Wanna' has Vinnie's name on it and is a complete steaming turd, no.

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As a person? Tommy

As a guitarist? Vinnie

Vinnie added more but thats what he was getting paid for. Tommy isn't being paid to help push the band forward sonically

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Considering 'I Just Wanna' has Vinnie's name on it and is a complete steaming turd, no.
Yes it is, but Take It Off is far worse in addition to like 10 other Paul Stanley songs prior to Revenge.

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Considering 'I Just Wanna' has Vinnie's name on it and is a complete steaming turd, no.
Yes it is, but Take It Off is far worse in addition to like 10 other Paul Stanley songs prior to Revenge.
There's no real winner between the two -- especially for the listener.

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Frankly and in full disclosure , I don't need to seek riches . 😉 . Do with that whatever you will.
One of the things I routinely see around here is that because Kiss (and/or current or former members) have made boat loads of money, what they're doing is better than other things.

I don't get it, man.

I don't get it.

Sonic Boom doesn't sound better because at that point Tommy had made about 10 million dollars from Kiss playing shows.

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It's because of the 18 years of " he was an errand boy " well if earned that doing that where do I sign up ! Get it ! ? It's not hard to follow . And Sonic Boom sounds fine to me thank you very much. The fact that Tommy is the lead guitarist in KISS will not change , and has not changed for 18 years. It's not going away. Nor will they fact that newer fans never knew Ace , and to THEM he is the Space Man. Same for Eric. This is reality.
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It's because of the 18 years of " he was an errand boy " well if earned that doing that where do I sign up ! Get it ! ? It's not hard to follow . And Sonic Boom sounds fine to me thank you very much. The fact that Tommy is the lead guitarist in KISS will not change , and has not changed for 18 years. It's not going away.
I get it.

I personally have zero desire to have that money.

It also doesn't make his solos any better, his songs any better, but conversely it doesn't make them any worse either.

If you like Tommy's Ace impersonation on Sonic Boom, god bless, man. Taste, like all opinions are subjective as hell.

But, as for guitarists and what they've accomplished on the instrument in terms of the art they've created, Tommy isn't in the same league as Vinnie.

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WinnieWincent wrote:
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As a person? Tommy

As a guitarist? Vinnie

Vinnie added more but thats what he was getting paid for. Tommy isn't being paid to help push the band forward sonically
One of the few sensible replies that takes context into account.

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Vinnie has been inactive for almost 40 years. And even for the 2-3 years he WAS active, he didn't write a hit song, didn't write an iconic song, etc., and the "well known" songs he did write were CO-WRITTEN with 2 people who have a 50-year history of being successful. AND the songs he co-wrote with Gene and Paul are only "well known" amongst KISS fans. The casual KISS fan who goes to see KISS doesn't know the difference between "Lick It Up" and "Say Yeah." Desmond Child contributed more to KISS' success than Vinnie did. Bob Ezrin contributed more to KISS' success than Vinnie did. And Tommy Thayer's actions over the last 20 years have contributed more to KISS' success over the last 2 decades than Vinnie ever did.

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Vinnie has been inactive for almost 40 years. And even for the 2-3 years he WAS active, he didn't write a hit song, didn't write an iconic song, etc., and the "well known" songs he did write were CO-WRITTEN with 2 people who have a 50-year history of being successful. AND the songs he co-wrote with Gene and Paul are only "well known" amongst KISS fans. The casual KISS fan who goes to see KISS doesn't know the difference between "Lick It Up" and "Say Yeah." Desmond Child contributed more to KISS' success than Vinnie did. Bob Ezrin contributed more to KISS' success than Vinnie did. And Tommy Thayer's actions over the last 20 years have contributed more to KISS' success over the last 2 decades than Vinnie ever did.
I disagree wholeheartedly.

Here's why.

If the dude from KISS ARMY had been hired in lieu of Tommy Thayer, not much would be different if anything.

Everything you said up to the last line though...totally true. All factual.

But Vinnie was a part of two amazing records...well, Creatures is good to great, but Lick It Up is amazing.

Tommy?

Not so much.

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Doose wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:53 am
Vinnie has been inactive for almost 40 years. And even for the 2-3 years he WAS active, he didn't write a hit song, didn't write an iconic song, etc., and the "well known" songs he did write were CO-WRITTEN with 2 people who have a 50-year history of being successful. AND the songs he co-wrote with Gene and Paul are only "well known" amongst KISS fans. The casual KISS fan who goes to see KISS doesn't know the difference between "Lick It Up" and "Say Yeah." Desmond Child contributed more to KISS' success than Vinnie did. Bob Ezrin contributed more to KISS' success than Vinnie did. And Tommy Thayer's actions over the last 20 years have contributed more to KISS' success over the last 2 decades than Vinnie ever did.
I disagree wholeheartedly.

Here's why.

If the dude from KISS ARMY had been hired in lieu of Tommy Thayer, not much would be different if anything.

Everything you said up to the last line though...totally true. All factual.

But Vinnie was a part of two amazing records...well, Creatures is good to great, but Lick It Up is amazing.

Tommy?

Not so much.
Fair enough. But there is no band with Vinnie. There is a band with Tommy. Ultimately, that makes Tommy for valuable in my eyes.

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Fair enough. But there is no band with Vinnie.
There would be no band WITHOUT VINNIE. Thank goodness Vinnie revived them from the dead!
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Fair enough. But there is no band with Vinnie. There is a band with Tommy. Ultimately, that makes Tommy for valuable in my eyes.
I see that as two separate things.

There was a band before and after Vinnie, because Gene and Paul chose to keep it going after the departure's of Ace and Vinnie.

There would've been someone else to step in. I don't begrudge Tommy for taking the job, many folks would, but I don't see him as Atlas holding up the sky.

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Doose wrote:
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Vinnie has been inactive for almost 40 years. And even for the 2-3 years he WAS active, he didn't write a hit song, didn't write an iconic song, etc., and the "well known" songs he did write were CO-WRITTEN with 2 people who have a 50-year history of being successful. AND the songs he co-wrote with Gene and Paul are only "well known" amongst KISS fans. The casual KISS fan who goes to see KISS doesn't know the difference between "Lick It Up" and "Say Yeah." Desmond Child contributed more to KISS' success than Vinnie did. Bob Ezrin contributed more to KISS' success than Vinnie did. And Tommy Thayer's actions over the last 20 years have contributed more to KISS' success over the last 2 decades than Vinnie ever did.


The KING of #FakeNews is at it again!

Vinnie inactive since almost 1980??! :lol: :lol: :lol:

So when Vinnie was saving KISS during the 80's.... writing KISS' best known songs from the 80's....

Spending 29 weeks on Billboard (with only 1 video) and being in MTV rotation longer than NUMEROUS KISS videos in the 80's..... having a #1 song on Dial-MTV... you name it.... but in Dooch's world... Vinnie was INACTIVE

And Vinnie was inactive during the 90's as he quickly landed another record deal after he walked away from Chrysalis... and he was inactive when he was working with Gene/Paul for 9 months and saving KISS yet again on Revenge (although KISS wasn't dead at the time ....just severely injured the 2nd time).


Vinnie not only saved KISS but he is responsible for the 3 best KISS studio albums since the 1978.

Desmond Child is responsible for PUTTING KISS in the grave (IWM4LU) and for 3-4 of of the weakest in the KISS catalogue (Asylum-Hits) bring the real turds and Animalize being very weak. All of them ... thanks to Desmond.

THANK GOODNESS GENE BANNED DESMOND prior to REVENGE!!!!! Desmond cried and whined about it.... but it had to be done!


Bob Ezrin was responsible for putting KISS in the GRAVE (the Elder) and Bob sure didn't have much balls to KISS with GGR&R2U2. Thank goodness Vinnie came in with his GUITARS FROM HELL and brought KISS back on Revenge. Funny how they tried to make GG "harder" after that.



And such Fake News.... acting like LICK IT UP and I LOVE IT LOUD aren't well known! ha ha ha How many tv shows, sporting events... you name it have those been played at? Those are the 2 most known KISS songs from the 1980's

And #7 and #8 in most played live KISS songs of ALL TIME!


And another HUGE LIE... the casual fan doesn't know the difference between SAY YEAH and LICK IT UP :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hell.... most KISS fans don't know SAY YEAH!!


The lies Dooch constantly spews as he trolls these boards. Just constantly spewing the FAKEST of NEWS possible.

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TheSphinx wrote:
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Fair enough. But there is no band with Vinnie.
There would be no band WITHOUT VINNIE. Thank goodness Vinnie revived them from the dead!
sure, vinnie was a great songwriter, no doubt about that. but did he save KISS? no. KISS would’ve survived just fine without vinnie. did he give KISS a kick in the balls to do better? yes, but did he “revive them from the dead? no. like i said, they could’ve gotten someone just as talented if not better , than vinnie and they would’ve survived just fine

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doombies wrote:
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TheSphinx wrote:
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Doose wrote:
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Fair enough. But there is no band with Vinnie.
There would be no band WITHOUT VINNIE. Thank goodness Vinnie revived them from the dead!
sure, vinnie was a great songwriter, no doubt about that. but did he save KISS? no. KISS would’ve survived just fine without vinnie. did he give KISS a kick in the balls to do better? yes, but did he “revive them from the dead? no. like i said, they could’ve gotten someone just as talented if not better , than vinnie and they would’ve survived just fine

Didn't happen on the KILLERS tracks before Vinnie arrived. How bad were they ...and how bad was KISS sound prior to that?

And KISS could have easily gotten DUMPED by their label if COTN had not been so great.

And why didn't KISS get someone talented after Vinnie left? Look at the mediocrity and crap they spewed out Animalize-HITS.... then they had to call back in Vinnie. And then without Vinnie....look how atrocious COS was.

And they could have called in anyone....and Psycho Circus is so average.

KISS certainly had Desmond Child who was doing great for other bands... KISS.... Desmond is all over the 4 albums that resulted in KISS having to go BACK TO VINNIE and banning DC

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TheSphinx wrote:
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Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:33 am
TheSphinx wrote:
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Doose wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:17 am

Fair enough. But there is no band with Vinnie.
There would be no band WITHOUT VINNIE. Thank goodness Vinnie revived them from the dead!
sure, vinnie was a great songwriter, no doubt about that. but did he save KISS? no. KISS would’ve survived just fine without vinnie. did he give KISS a kick in the balls to do better? yes, but did he “revive them from the dead? no. like i said, they could’ve gotten someone just as talented if not better , than vinnie and they would’ve survived just fine

Didn't happen on the KILLERS tracks before Vinnie arrived. How bad were they ...and how bad was KISS sound prior to that?

And KISS could have easily gotten DUMPED by their label if COTN had not been so great.

And why didn't KISS get someone talented after Vinnie left? Look at the mediocrity and crap they spewed out Animalize-HITS.... then they had to call back in Vinnie. And then without Vinnie....look how atrocious COS was.

And they could have called in anyone....and Psycho Circus is so average.

KISS certainly had Desmond Child who was doing great for other bands... KISS.... Desmond is all over the 4 albums that resulted in KISS having to go BACK TO VINNIE and banning DC
If Vinnie saved Kiss, why didn't Creatures of the Night, an album easily in the same quality range as Lick It Up fail so hard?

Answer: The makeup coming off was a big enough kick in the pants to get people paying attention again and the music was better than the records anybody remembered. i.e. Dynasty, Unmasked, and maybe Elder.

Creatures was a failure, an undeserved failure, but a commercial failure nonetheless.

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Re: Tommy vs Vinnie

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battra wrote:
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Fair enough. But there is no band with Vinnie.
There would be no band WITHOUT VINNIE. Thank goodness Vinnie revived them from the dead!
sure, vinnie was a great songwriter, no doubt about that. but did he save KISS? no. KISS would’ve survived just fine without vinnie. did he give KISS a kick in the balls to do better? yes, but did he “revive them from the dead? no. like i said, they could’ve gotten someone just as talented if not better , than vinnie and they would’ve survived just fine

Didn't happen on the KILLERS tracks before Vinnie arrived. How bad were they ...and how bad was KISS sound prior to that?

And KISS could have easily gotten DUMPED by their label if COTN had not been so great.

And why didn't KISS get someone talented after Vinnie left? Look at the mediocrity and crap they spewed out Animalize-HITS.... then they had to call back in Vinnie. And then without Vinnie....look how atrocious COS was.

And they could have called in anyone....and Psycho Circus is so average.

KISS certainly had Desmond Child who was doing great for other bands... KISS.... Desmond is all over the 4 albums that resulted in KISS having to go BACK TO VINNIE and banning DC
If Vinnie saved Kiss, why didn't Creatures of the Night, an album easily in the same quality range as Lick It Up fail so hard?

Answer: The makeup coming off was a big enough kick in the pants to get people paying attention again and the music was better than the records anybody remembered. i.e. Dynasty, Unmasked, and maybe Elder.

Creatures was a failure, an undeserved failure, but a commercial failure nonetheless.
To be fair, if the unmasked album was HITS instead of LIU, the makeup coming off would have only gone so far - the album had to be great too. LIU is great and Vinnie did much of the heavy lifting on that.

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Re: Tommy vs Vinnie

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Grand Classic wrote:
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To be fair, if the unmasked album was HITS instead of LIU, the makeup coming off would have only gone so far - the album had to be great too. LIU is great and Vinnie did much of the heavy lifting on that.
Agreed. It was the combination of the makeup coming off and quality music.

Neither one was the whole piece to the puzzle.

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Re: Tommy vs Vinnie

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Bruce wrote:
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Bruce would trade places with Tommy in a heartbeat!
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Sure! Bruce would rather ride Southwest Airlines to do songs from the 70's that he had nothing to do with for maybe $1500 a show (if he's lucky) so in a non-covid year... maybe 40 GFR dates.... so $60K a year (maybe). About what he was getting when he joined KISS ($54K a year).

But... I bet he'd rather be doing GFR dates insead of flying in a jet and making $500K or more a year.

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Bruce is worth much more than he's being paid -- so much more -- on that we are in full agreement.

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Re: Tommy vs Vinnie

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A successful artist has two things: 1. The ability to repeat their success over and over, and 2. Financial success to show the art is widely enjoyed.

Vinnie loses on both.

Vinnie would sell his daughters to be in Tommy's financial position today. If he hasn't already, I mean.

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