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Question about chords

Post by stutterer » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:19 pm

Anybody knows how this guitar trick that Ace uses in almost all of his songs is correctly called? The one where root note of the power chord is moved down one fret then back again.
It's the first thing that is played on Insane, on One Plus One, it's the second/third chord in Cold Gin, etc.
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Re: Question about chords

Post by ZachAttack » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:13 pm

It's an old technique used back in the early days of rock and roll by people like Chuck Berry. I don't think there is a name for it, it's just sliding

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Re: Question about chords

Post by stutterer » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:20 pm

Damn. 2020s fast approaching, one'd think they'd name it something by now!

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Re: Question about chords

Post by missingdiver » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:31 pm

Im sire there is a name for it....ive just never been one of them book learning types of guitarists lol

Lower third/octave slide bar chord thingy maybe?

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Re: Question about chords

Post by Bruce » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:47 pm

It's an inverted power chord.

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Re: Question about chords

Post by farmertom311 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:53 pm

3
2
4

I call that chord above the KISS chord. You can move it up and down the neck anywhere and it’s in like 90% of KISS songs. Has nothing to do with the OPs post just something I find interesting lol.

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Re: Question about chords

Post by stutterer » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:59 pm

farmertom311 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:53 pm
3
2
4

I call that chord above the KISS chord. You can move it up and down the neck anywhere and it’s in like 90% of KISS songs. Has nothing to do with the OPs post just something I find interesting lol.
As in A chord, yes, the shape is featured in Talk to Me and Gimme A Feeling for example.
0-0
2-3
2-2
2-4
0-0
0-0

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Re: Question about chords

Post by Rockandrolloverman » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:05 pm

Music theory -wise, it’s adding a (major) 7th. So you could accurately refer to it as a major seventh chord, although it lacks a third note

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Re: Question about chords

Post by stutterer » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:06 pm

Bruce wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:47 pm
It's an inverted power chord.
No, a inverted power chord is exactly what the name implies, the second note of the power chord is lower than the root note.

I'm talking about the slide of the root note itself one fret down, so the chord effectively turns into...hey it turns into an iverted major chord! Okay that's more like it. Thanks. Basically G turns into an inverted D major.
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Re: Question about chords

Post by farmertom311 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:07 pm

stutterer wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:59 pm
farmertom311 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:53 pm
3
2
4

I call that chord above the KISS chord. You can move it up and down the neck anywhere and it’s in like 90% of KISS songs. Has nothing to do with the OPs post just something I find interesting lol.
As in A chord, yes, the shape is featured in Talk to Me and Gimme A Feeling for example.
0-0
2-3
2-2
2-4
0-0
0-0

Also shock me at the A position. Oh and lick it up

Then at the 7th fret it’s RARAN

4th fret it’s the chorus to shout it out loud

It’s even in love gun albeit very sparingly

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Re: Question about chords

Post by stutterer » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:19 pm

farmertom311 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:07 pm
Also shock me at the A position. Oh and lick it up

Then at the 7th fret it’s RARAN

4th fret it’s the chorus to shout it out loud

It’s even in love gun albeit very sparingly
Funny enough my #AceRootSlide and your #KissKhord along with the #ShockMeLowG-bend are all featured in Vinnie's music but it sounds nothing like Kiss or Ace.

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Re: Question about chords

Post by banks » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:59 pm

A major chord with the third on the bottom. It's often used as a passing chord, but can still be called a major chord IMO.

For example, if you move the root of the G power chord one fret lower, it's a D/F# chord. It doesn't have the fifth, but chords don't have to have all the notes.

Check out Queen's One Vision, for example. One guitar plays the verse riff this way. Another guitar (I think) plus keyboards play full chords.

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Re: Question about chords

Post by Mr Slow » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:51 am

:shock:
This is why I play drums! :lol:

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Re: Question about chords

Post by L1 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:22 am

Mr Slow wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:51 am
:shock:
This is why I play drums! :lol:

Haha, me too! I don’t get anything of the above, still I find it fascinating and I want to understand.

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Re: Question about chords

Post by banks » Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:07 am

:lol: Haha, a simplified version for you drummers. A chord has several notes, but the root note is not always played as the lowest note.

For example, the C major chord has the notes c, e and g. But the c note doesn't have to be the lowest. If the e note or the g note is played as the lowest note, it's called a chord "inversion". That's what this "Ace chord" is

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Re: Question about chords

Post by Tito » Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:16 am

L1 wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:22 am
Mr Slow wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:51 am
:shock:
This is why I play drums! :lol:

Haha, me too! I don’t get anything of the above, still I find it fascinating and I want to understand.
:) I'm a guitarist and this kind of talk puts me to sleep. Pretty safe to say the same goes for Ace himself. :wink:

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Re: Question about chords

Post by banks » Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:24 am

Tito wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:16 am
L1 wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:22 am
Mr Slow wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:51 am
:shock:
This is why I play drums! :lol:

Haha, me too! I don’t get anything of the above, still I find it fascinating and I want to understand.
:) I'm a guitarist and this kind of talk puts me to sleep. Pretty safe to say the same goes for Ace himself. :wink:
Ace does know what a triad and inversion is.

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Re: Question about chords

Post by stutterer » Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:03 am

Thanks for the input guys.

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Re: Question about chords

Post by Going Blind » Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:59 am

I remember an article that refereed to Ace's technique as "Tripiling". However the same article kinda implied that its some sort of cheap trick to make you seem like a better guitar player than you really are. Now, I am not condemning, I am not a guitarist, much less a musician. Any guitar players here care to weigh in? To me if it sounds good, that's all that really matters, but what do I know?

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Re: Question about chords

Post by Wiped Out 78 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:18 am

Going Blind wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:59 am
I remember an article that refereed to Ace's technique as "Tripiling". However the same article kinda implied that its some sort of cheap trick to make you seem like a better guitar player than you really are. Now, I am not condemning, I am not a guitarist, much less a musician. Any guitar players here care to weigh in? To me if it sounds good, that's all that really matters, but what do I know?
It's not a trick. It's a chordal technique used by a zillion rock guitarists:

Queen - One Vision
38 Special - Hold On Loosely
AC/DC - What Do You Do For Money (verse)

Those are just off the top of my head.

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Re: Question about chords

Post by BlackAce » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:33 am

banks wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:24 am
Tito wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:16 am
L1 wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:22 am
Mr Slow wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:51 am
:shock:
This is why I play drums! :lol:

Haha, me too! I don’t get anything of the above, still I find it fascinating and I want to understand.
:) I'm a guitarist and this kind of talk puts me to sleep. Pretty safe to say the same goes for Ace himself. :wink:
Ace does know what a triad and inversion is.
Ace doesn't know what day it is

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Re: Question about chords

Post by vaspaceman » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:43 am

Wiped Out 78 wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:18 am
Going Blind wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:59 am
I remember an article that refereed to Ace's technique as "Tripiling". However the same article kinda implied that its some sort of cheap trick to make you seem like a better guitar player than you really are. Now, I am not condemning, I am not a guitarist, much less a musician. Any guitar players here care to weigh in? To me if it sounds good, that's all that really matters, but what do I know?
It's not a trick. It's a chordal technique used by a zillion rock guitarists:

Queen - One Vision
38 Special - Hold On Loosely
AC/DC - What Do You Do For Money (verse)

Those are just off the top of my head.

All great examples! Hold on Loosely is probably my favorite out of that group. Also the last part of the intro riff to Hells Bells before it repeats. (AC/DC)

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Re: Question about chords

Post by banks » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:52 am

Kiss knew about chords even back in '73. Look at the Cold Gin riff. It's basically A, G, D, G, D, G, A. (The D is the "Ace chord"). The G chord in Ace's riff lacks the 3rd and Paul plays it. Ace's D chord lacks the 5th and Paul plays it. Paul's guitar part intentionally adds the "missing" notes to make those chords full triads between the two guitars. Not that Paul was necessarily thinking of "3rds" and "5ths", but he knew which notes were "missing".

This is VERY basic stuff and I don't even consider it "theory" yet. IMO it's about knowing the basics of an instrument and playing music. Now, whatever all those things are CALLED is often beside the point, but knowing it tends to make communication go faster. That's why Ezrin put the guys "to school". 8)

So the most simple answer to the original question: It's a major chord with one note missing. :mrgreen:

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Re: Question about chords

Post by stutterer » Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:12 am

banks wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:52 am
Now, whatever all those things are CALLED is often beside the point, but knowing it tends to make communication go faster.
That's exactly why I was asking, to tell people what to play in a matter of several digits per chord. I knew both parts to Cold Gin but didn't put two and two together so to speak. Thanks for the insight, this is valuable to me.

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