WAS PAUL JUST “THE SINGER” DURING THE 80’s?

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WAS PAUL JUST “THE SINGER” DURING THE 80’s?

Post by johnkissfan1974 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:20 am

I’m not a guitarist but know the significance of the lead in a song, rhythm I either don’t hear as much or think it is the lead, esp during the verse sections of a song. In 70’s concert footage, I see Paul pretty consistent with using his guitar during songs, but by the mid 80’s - I’d say def during the CN tour, I don’t see him playing his instrument as much as dancing around and pointing his finger or waving his (pick holding) arm around. Aside for the intro to Black Diamond (which sounded like sh-t on the guitar he was using during the 87-88 tour), was it even necessary for him to hold a guitar during a concert? Was Paul simply “the singer” of the band?

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Re: WAS PAUL JUST “THE SINGER” DURING THE 80’s?

Post by Supertrooper » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:34 am

No, he was a rythm guitarist, but with less importance. Bruce Kulick could pretty much play for two, so to speak. Bruce was the finest guitarist ever in KISS. Not much of a showman, but he carried the musical weight, where Paul could concentrate on wigling his ass and such. The most annoying thing is when Paul coudn't be bothered to sing in choruses, like in Heaven's on fire, because he thought it was more appropriate to dance...Jesus! :twisted:

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Re: WAS PAUL JUST “THE SINGER” DURING THE 80’s?

Post by missingdiver » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:45 am

Yeah he really wanted to be david coverdale in the mid eighties....thank goodness for Bruce.

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Post by missingdiver » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:46 am

You make me rock hard/x in sex videos was the pinnacle of this phase in Pauls obsession with being just a lead singer

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Re: WAS PAUL JUST “THE SINGER” DURING THE 80’s?

Post by Avidfan » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:29 am

I'm convinced they didn't even turn his guitar on(for lack of a better term) for the most part live in the 80s, except where he'd do the intro like Under the Gun for example. but yeah I think he went full lead singer for awhile while the lead covered the duties.

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Re: WAS PAUL JUST “THE SINGER” DURING THE 80’s?

Post by JamesKurker » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:37 am

Starting with CN tour keyboard player was hired, whose job was basically doubling Paul’s guitar(and yeah, play real keyboard parts in Reason To Live and Forever). So, Paul had more freedom in terms of playing/not playing.

However, if you want to hear how much his guitar was present in the mix, watch Cold Gin from Budokan 88. For a part of a song he had to stop playing to switch to another guitar. One can make his own conclusions.

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Re: WAS PAUL JUST “THE SINGER” DURING THE 80’s?

Post by Thunderous_Lay » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:21 am

missingdiver wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:45 am
Yeah he really wanted to be david coverdale in the mid eighties....thank goodness for Bruce.
Paul looked absolutely nothing like David Coverdale or vice-versa.

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Post by Bruce » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:27 am

I'm pretty sure that Paul never worked on any Gene songs in the studio, during the eighties. And if letting Bruce handle the guitar parts onstage freed Paul up to dance and prance his way into our hearts, I Know that Bruce wasn't complaining -- it's what he loves to do!

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Re: WAS PAUL JUST “THE SINGER” DURING THE 80’s?

Post by RockNRoll_Over » Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:03 am

Paul wanted to be Jon Bon Jovi or any of the fame associated with the then newer bands. I think this is documented in Kiss and Sell.

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Post by Kisscandinavia » Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:22 am

Did he even play any rhythm parts in the studio during the 80's?

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Post by 70skid » Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:31 pm

Even today, in footage I have seen, Tommy mostly carries all guitars for KISS.

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Post by WinnieWincent » Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:46 pm

Kisscandinavia wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:22 am
Did he even play any rhythm parts in the studio during the 80's?
I believe Bruce has said that they both played on the songs.

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Post by criss75 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:05 pm

Paul wrote and co-wrote the hit songs.
Gene did nothing.

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Post by Andy Capp » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:08 pm

missingdiver wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:45 am
Yeah he really wanted to be david coverdale in the mid eighties....thank goodness for Bruce.
david coverdale---- :puker:

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Post by johnkissfan1974 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:07 pm

Andy Capp wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:08 pm
missingdiver wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:45 am
Yeah he really wanted to be david coverdale in the mid eighties....thank goodness for Bruce.
david coverdale---- :puker:
Yes

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Post by Andy Capp » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:38 pm

johnkissfan1974 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:07 pm
Andy Capp wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:08 pm
missingdiver wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:45 am
Yeah he really wanted to be david coverdale in the mid eighties....thank goodness for Bruce.
david coverdale---- :puker:
Yes
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Post by Mr Slow » Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:48 pm

True story: A couple years ago I commented on a photo Bruce shared on his official Facebook page. It was a Throwback Thursday shot of him and Paul on the REVENGE tour and in the picture Bruce was messing with Paul’s volume knobs. My comment was how cool a shot it was with Bruce turning up Paul’s guitar. Minutes later I got a PM from the man himself which said “I wasn’t turning him UP!” :lol:

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Post by johnkissfan1974 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:34 pm

Mr Slow wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:48 pm
True story: A couple years ago I commented on a photo Bruce shared on his official Facebook page. It was a Throwback Thursday shot of him and Paul on the REVENGE tour and in the picture Bruce was messing with Paul’s volume knobs. My comment was how cool a shot it was with Bruce turning up Paul’s guitar. Minutes later I got a PM from the man himself which said “I wasn’t turning him UP!” :lol:
Lol thats funny

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Post by NHKISSFAN » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:44 pm

Maybe this belongs on another thread, but as to the PS and Coverdale thing; Did I hear they nearly came t blows years ago at Monsters? Was that just publicity or rumors?

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Re: WAS PAUL JUST “THE SINGER” DURING THE 80’s?

Post by Goodwilltowardsall » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:01 pm

Just realizing how little I know about KISS in the 80's (I am an originals fan) and am going to order that Take It Off Book.

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Re: WAS PAUL JUST “THE SINGER” DURING THE 80’s?

Post by johnsaidwhat » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:05 pm

Listen to New York Groove at the Brooklyn Bridge show.
You can really hear how loud his guitar is and in all seriousness what a good overall sound he has.
I know it's deviating from the point it just happens to be an example I remember.

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Post by Bruce » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:57 pm

Paul Stanley had a cool vibe about him, in the 80s -- regardless if he was trying to emulate Diamond Dave, or Bob Jovi. He seems to be a lot more fun than he turned out to be during the Revenge era.

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Post by aceeg » Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:07 pm

Bruce was the best guitarist after Ace...

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Post by Ikons » Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:57 am

JamesKurker wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:37 am
Starting with CN tour keyboard player was hired, whose job was basically doubling Paul’s guitar(and yeah, play real keyboard parts in Reason To Live and Forever). So, Paul had more freedom in terms of playing/not playing.

However, if you want to hear how much his guitar was present in the mix, watch Cold Gin from Budokan 88. For a part of a song he had to stop playing to switch to another guitar. One can make his own conclusions.
They all do some over the top moves during that performances. That tour must have been a great workout.

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Post by johnkissfan1974 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:24 am

Goodwilltowardsall wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:01 pm
Just realizing how little I know about KISS in the 80's (I am an originals fan) and am going to order that Take It Off Book.
Personally, I love the Eric Carr era. My favorite lineup, aside for Ace, Gene, Paul and Eric - is Eric, Gene, Paul, Bruce.

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Post by johnkissfan1974 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:30 am

Bruce wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:57 pm
Paul Stanley had a cool vibe about him, in the 80s -- regardless if he was trying to emulate Diamond Dave, or Bob Jovi. He seems to be a lot more fun than he turned out to be during the Revenge era.

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Maybe it was Eric ‘s passing. It was the first album/tour since his death and it was a new sound and feeling (with Eric Singer).

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Post by Ikons » Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:43 am

By the way, does this make Paul "THE DANCER" during Gene's songs?

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Post by strutter78 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:44 am

Remember the guitar solo Paul did on the Animalize tour? He had a guitar on and seemed to be playing it most of the time in the 80’s. He wanted to be the centerpiece that Gene was to the band in the 70s. Paul wouldn’t have pushed a Gene song by his own admission. He wanted the best songs to be his songs. Most of Gene’s acting career was done in 1986 while waiting for Ron Nevison. The 80’s was Paul’s time to be the focal point. I can’t imagine how jealous he was of Gene’s celebrity in the late 70’s and early 80’s. I don’t think I ever heard a kid back then say Paul was his favorite member. Plus Paul is a much better looking man than Gene and that was really important in the MTV era.

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Post by jannep17 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:30 am

No.

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Post by Crown Royal » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:41 am

strutter78 wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:44 am
Remember the guitar solo Paul did on the Animalize tour? He had a guitar on and seemed to be playing it most of the time in the 80’s. He wanted to be the centerpiece that Gene was to the band in the 70s. Paul wouldn’t have pushed a Gene song by his own admission. He wanted the best songs to be his songs. Most of Gene’s acting career was done in 1986 while waiting for Ron Nevison. The 80’s was Paul’s time to be the focal point. I can’t imagine how jealous he was of Gene’s celebrity in the late 70’s and early 80’s. I don’t think I ever heard a kid back then say Paul was his favorite member. Plus Paul is a much better looking man than Gene and that was really important in the MTV era.
I'm not too sure Gene was much of a celebrity in the 80s. He acted in a B movie here and there. Produced bands that went nowhere. As for the 70s, he wasn't really a major celebrity as much as a celebrity hanger-on. Being with Cher and Diana Ross got him in newspapers and magazines that normally wouldn't have given him the time of day.

As for the 80s and Paul, he definitely came off like he had a chip on his shoulder at times. But I think most of that was due to his anger and disillusionment with Gene leaving KISS on the back-burner while he pursued other avenues. After a while Paul said fuck it, if he wants me to run the entire thing I'll run the entire thing.

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johnkissfan1974 wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:30 am
Bruce wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:57 pm
Paul Stanley had a cool vibe about him, in the 80s -- regardless if he was trying to emulate Diamond Dave, or Bob Jovi. He seems to be a lot more fun than he turned out to be during the Revenge era.
Maybe it was Eric ‘s passing. It was the first album/tour since his death and it was a new sound and feeling (with Eric Singer).
Im sure Carr dying had an effect, but I don't know that it defined that era, to be honest. Had Carr lived, he would have lived to see himself replaced and would have witnessed Revenge unfold as we did. He was on the way out. I believe that the dour attitude fostered for Revenge was just Paul and Gene aping what they perceived as a marketable image. Fortunately, the "attitude" was relatively short-lived.

Shit ... did I type BOB Jovi?! What the hell with these typos.

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Andy Capp wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:38 pm
johnkissfan1974 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:07 pm
Andy Capp wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:08 pm
missingdiver wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:45 am
Yeah he really wanted to be david coverdale in the mid eighties....thank goodness for Bruce.
david coverdale---- :puker:
Yes
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Coverdale was great in the eighties, good looking and very good voice. Sorry but he was in another league.

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Post by johnkissfan1974 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:34 am

Bruce wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:56 am
johnkissfan1974 wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:30 am
Bruce wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:57 pm
Paul Stanley had a cool vibe about him, in the 80s -- regardless if he was trying to emulate Diamond Dave, or Bob Jovi. He seems to be a lot more fun than he turned out to be during the Revenge era.
Maybe it was Eric ‘s passing. It was the first album/tour since his death and it was a new sound and feeling (with Eric Singer).
Im sure Carr dying had an effect, but I don't know that it defined that era, to be honest. Had Carr lived, he would have lived to see himself replaced and would have witnessed Revenge unfold as we did. He was on the way out. I believe that the dour attitude fostered for Revenge was just Paul and Gene aping what they perceived as a marketable image. Fortunately, the "attitude" was relatively short-lived.

Shit ... did I type BOB Jovi?! What the hell with these typos.
I don’t argue Eric leaving had he survived but its different losing someone to a death.

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Post by Unholy_Creature » Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:05 am

Bruce wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:56 am
johnkissfan1974 wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:30 am
Bruce wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:57 pm
Paul Stanley had a cool vibe about him, in the 80s -- regardless if he was trying to emulate Diamond Dave, or Bob Jovi. He seems to be a lot more fun than he turned out to be during the Revenge era.
Maybe it was Eric ‘s passing. It was the first album/tour since his death and it was a new sound and feeling (with Eric Singer).
Im sure Carr dying had an effect, but I don't know that it defined that era, to be honest. Had Carr lived, he would have lived to see himself replaced and would have witnessed Revenge unfold as we did. He was on the way out. I believe that the dour attitude fostered for Revenge was just Paul and Gene aping what they perceived as a marketable image. Fortunately, the "attitude" was relatively short-lived.

Shit ... did I type BOB Jovi?! What the hell with these typos.

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Post by Bruce » Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:17 am

Oh no -- I've got Bob Kulick on the brain!!

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Post by The doctor » Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:05 pm

I can't remember which 80's magazine it was but they said he just wears guitars.

Looking at this they had a point I guess.


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Post by Green Planet » Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:30 pm

I can always hear Paul's guitar.

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Post by BeholderFan » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:22 pm

aceeg wrote:
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Bruce was the best guitarist after Ace...
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Post by BeholderFan » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:23 pm

ROGAFU wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:28 am
Andy Capp wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:38 pm
johnkissfan1974 wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:07 pm
Andy Capp wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:08 pm
missingdiver wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:45 am
Yeah he really wanted to be david coverdale in the mid eighties....thank goodness for Bruce.
david coverdale---- :puker:
Yes
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Coverdale was great in the eighties, good looking and very good voice. Sorry but he was in another league.
Agreed. Great singer. One of my favorites. Definitely in another league.

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