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Re: KISS Australian tour dates changed!

Post by elleneff » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:11 am

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Some interesting speculation here

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/m ... to-illness
tbh, not overly suprised. facebook KISS page never mentions NZ date, t-shirts for sale have the Oz dates, but not NZ. all seems like they weren't that interested in coming here anyway.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/m ... d-kiss-fan
Influenza? They'll be back at a later date?.... Smells like utter BS to me. Two weeks ago singer Paul Stanley posted about rehearsing for Australia/Japan. No mention of NZ. Yeah, it may be a mere oversight but chances are the numbers didn't add up. They weren't coming without the right number of tickets pre-sold. KISS may claim that fans come first, but let's face it, it's business and disappointed, out of pocket Kiwi fans mean nothing to them.
Yep. I agree. It doesn't add up at all.

Its clear the NZ numbers didn't add up at all. and didn't sell enough. so they pulled it. cough.
Its like the 96 reuniuon Dublin gig that sold barely a hundred tickets so they pulled it due to logistical issues, the venue not being BIG enough for a Kiss show etc and weather.

Then pretended like it was never scheduled and yet, Iv a poster of the gig via ticketmaster and MCD confirming it.

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Re: KISS Australian tour dates changed!

Post by Doose » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:03 am

I know fans are disappointed, but this stuff happens with EVERY major tour when you're booking 100, 200 dates. Elton John just canceled a show in the U.S. that made headlines everywhere. Madonna is being sued for starting 2 hours late. It's the nature of the touring business.

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Re: KISS Australian tour dates changed!

Post by redinthesky » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:37 am

Doose wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:03 am
I know fans are disappointed, but this stuff happens with EVERY major tour when you're booking 100, 200 dates. Elton John just canceled a show in the U.S. that made headlines everywhere. Madonna is being sued for starting 2 hours late. It's the nature of the touring business.
Did you see what her response was to that lawsuit, and other fan complaints, right onstage? “Here’s something you all need to understand, and that is, that the queen is never late.”

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Post by BlackDiamond67 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:09 pm

redinthesky wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:37 am
Doose wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:03 am
I know fans are disappointed, but this stuff happens with EVERY major tour when you're booking 100, 200 dates. Elton John just canceled a show in the U.S. that made headlines everywhere. Madonna is being sued for starting 2 hours late. It's the nature of the touring business.
Did you see what her response was to that lawsuit, and other fan complaints, right onstage? “Here’s something you all need to understand, and that is, that the queen is never late.”
Goodness, that’s some serious hubris by Madge.

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Post by Velvis » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:26 pm

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Wonder if the shark thing is still go.
The original Perth date was the 15th. The Shark thing is the 18th. And Adelaide is the 19th.
Hopefully the extra couple days rest for Paul will be enough. Whilst the Shark thing (as it should now and forever be known!) is a pretty insignificant thing for all but 8 KISS fans, it will be pretty cool to see how it all plays out... if it actually ends up going ahead.
"You know its funny, we were playing underwater with sharks and I started to think if a shark stops moving it will die. That is when I decided that KISS can continue on. The End of the Road just means there is no more road. KISS doesnt play by any rules. Where we are going you don't need roads!"

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Re: KISS Australian tour dates changed!

Post by Grizzly Adams » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:23 pm

Velvis wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:26 pm
"You know its funny, we were playing underwater with sharks and I started to think if a shark stops moving it will die. That is when I decided that KISS can continue on. The End of the Road just means there is no more road. KISS doesnt play by any rules. Where we are going you don't need roads!"
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Re: KISS Australian tour dates changed!

Post by nibbler1982 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:34 pm

I was happy to read this particular part of the rescheduled dates press release.

“To cater for the overwhelming demand, side view tickets have been released for all shows and are available from Ticketek.”

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Re: KISS Australian tour dates changed!

Post by Crown Royal » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:44 pm

nibbler1982 wrote:
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“To cater for the overwhelming demand,
P.T. Barnum continues to be right


Methinks Bro Nibbs is quite concerned about these latest rounds of cancellations. "Scurrying" and "panic" seem apropos here

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Post by BeholderFan » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:38 pm

I just read an article about the fires in Australia. Looks like there may be calls to evacuate parts of Sydney. I hope this doesn't affect the tour too much. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aust ... SKBN1XL2H4

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Re: KISS Australian tour dates changed!

Post by theincrediblehull » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:54 pm

BeholderFan wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:38 pm
I just read an article about the fires in Australia. Looks like there may be calls to evacuate parts of Sydney. I hope this doesn't affect the tour too much. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aust ... SKBN1XL2H4
Great point! A state of emergency has been declared in NSW for the next week. Presumably, this means a total fire ban for the next week. Would Kiss be able to use pyro under these conditions?

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Post by theincrediblehull » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:05 pm

nibbler1982 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:34 pm
I was happy to read this particular part of the rescheduled dates press release.

“To cater for the overwhelming demand, side view tickets have been released for all shows and are available from Ticketek.”

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I can confirm this Nibbs. I decided to bite the bullet about a month ago, for Sydney and (in my price range) only side and obstructed views were available. There were GA1 available at $300+ and GA2 available at $200+. When I factor in travel an accommodation, I was looking at around $400 for the night. Just not in my budget this month. :( :(

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Re: KISS Australian tour dates changed!

Post by Mr Slow » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:51 pm

theincrediblehull wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:05 pm
nibbler1982 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:34 pm
I was happy to read this particular part of the rescheduled dates press release.

“To cater for the overwhelming demand, side view tickets have been released for all shows and are available from Ticketek.”

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I can confirm this Nibbs. I decided to bite the bullet about a month ago, for Sydney and (in my price range) only side and obstructed views were available. There were GA1 available at $300+ and GA2 available at $200+. When I factor in travel an accommodation, I was looking at around $400 for the night. Just not in my budget this month. :( :(
I also had a look at a few random shows and there were only restricted views left. There are only 2 sellouts but I’d suggest all of them will be pretty much capacity. We shouldn’t forget that this will KISS’ 3rd tour of Australia in 6 years. And to expand even further, this is their 8th visit since they put the makeup back on, 5 of those with this lineup. Pretty impressive that they can still fill up arenas when they play here that often. 8)

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Post by andykiss78 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:39 pm

Mr Slow wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:51 pm
theincrediblehull wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:05 pm
nibbler1982 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:34 pm
I was happy to read this particular part of the rescheduled dates press release.

“To cater for the overwhelming demand, side view tickets have been released for all shows and are available from Ticketek.”

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I can confirm this Nibbs. I decided to bite the bullet about a month ago, for Sydney and (in my price range) only side and obstructed views were available. There were GA1 available at $300+ and GA2 available at $200+. When I factor in travel an accommodation, I was looking at around $400 for the night. Just not in my budget this month. :( :(
I also had a look at a few random shows and there were only restricted views left. There are only 2 sellouts but I’d suggest all of them will be pretty much capacity. We shouldn’t forget that this will KISS’ 3rd tour of Australia in 6 years. And to expand even further, this is their 8th visit since they put the makeup back on, 5 of those with this lineup. Pretty impressive that they can still fill up arenas when they play here that often. 8)
Totally agree. As a fan we've been very fortunate that we've had so many KISS and KISS related events since 1995. But let's face it...they have over saturated the Aussie market. The fact that they can still pack arenas with our relatively small population is amazing.

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Post by steveh67 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:54 pm

KISS is still relatively cheap compared to some artists. Except the M&G prices of course.

So they continued to get rock fans along, long after the original lineup split. How many hardcore/die-hards remained to this day though is up for debate downunder. Given recent album sales for SB and Monster.

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Post by andykiss78 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:16 am

steveh67 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:54 pm
KISS is still relatively cheap compared to some artists. Except the M&G prices of course.

So they continued to get rock fans along, long after the original lineup split. How many hardcore/die-hards remained to this day though is up for debate downunder. Given recent album sales for SB and Monster.
Not really...prices are on par with Metallica (well, before they cancelled) and U2 etc.

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Post by Mr Slow » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:11 am

andykiss78 wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:16 am
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Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:54 pm
KISS is still relatively cheap compared to some artists. Except the M&G prices of course.

So they continued to get rock fans along, long after the original lineup split. How many hardcore/die-hards remained to this day though is up for debate downunder. Given recent album sales for SB and Monster.
Not really...prices are on par with Metallica (well, before they cancelled) and U2 etc.
Yeah they are charging just as much as any other big name that comes through. I am sitting in roughly the same spot as I did last tour (2015) and have paid $65 more for my seat.

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Post by andykiss78 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:52 am

Mr Slow wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:11 am
andykiss78 wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:16 am
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Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:54 pm
KISS is still relatively cheap compared to some artists. Except the M&G prices of course.

So they continued to get rock fans along, long after the original lineup split. How many hardcore/die-hards remained to this day though is up for debate downunder. Given recent album sales for SB and Monster.
Not really...prices are on par with Metallica (well, before they cancelled) and U2 etc.
Yeah they are charging just as much as any other big name that comes through. I am sitting in roughly the same spot as I did last tour (2015) and have paid $65 more for my seat.
Yep, but we don't try and minimise KISS like some others around here.

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theincrediblehull wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:54 pm
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Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:38 pm
I just read an article about the fires in Australia. Looks like there may be calls to evacuate parts of Sydney. I hope this doesn't affect the tour too much. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aust ... SKBN1XL2H4
Great point! A state of emergency has been declared in NSW for the next week. Presumably, this means a total fire ban for the next week. Would Kiss be able to use pyro under these conditions?
I guess you all will have to find out when they get down there.

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Post by Tail of a hurricane » Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:03 pm

theincrediblehull wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:54 pm
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Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:38 pm
I just read an article about the fires in Australia. Looks like there may be calls to evacuate parts of Sydney. I hope this doesn't affect the tour too much. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aust ... SKBN1XL2H4
Great point! A state of emergency has been declared in NSW for the next week. Presumably, this means a total fire ban for the next week. Would Kiss be able to use pyro under these conditions?
Plus if Sydney is still shrouded in thick smoke, thats not good for a guy recovering from influenza.

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Post by Sam T Serpent » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:15 pm

Would a controlled environment like an arena still have a fireban in place? I could understand the Newcastle show with it being outdoors.

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Post by Mr Slow » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:34 pm

Tail of a hurricane wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:03 pm
theincrediblehull wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:54 pm
BeholderFan wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:38 pm
I just read an article about the fires in Australia. Looks like there may be calls to evacuate parts of Sydney. I hope this doesn't affect the tour too much. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aust ... SKBN1XL2H4
Great point! A state of emergency has been declared in NSW for the next week. Presumably, this means a total fire ban for the next week. Would Kiss be able to use pyro under these conditions?
Plus if Sydney is still shrouded in thick smoke, thats not good for a guy recovering from influenza.
The Newcastle show is Nov 23, Sydney show is Nov 26. Hopefully (for many more reasons than just the KISS tour) the threat has well and truly passed long before then.

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Sam T Serpent wrote:
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Would a controlled environment like an arena still have a fireban in place? I could understand the Newcastle show with it being outdoors.

Yes it was the Newcastle show I was thinking of, that is the one I will be attending.

I do wonder if the NSW' shows were scheduled for this week, what the situation would be?

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theincrediblehull wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:46 pm
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Would a controlled environment like an arena still have a fireban in place? I could understand the Newcastle show with it being outdoors.

Yes it was the Newcastle show I was thinking of, that is the one I will be attending.

I do wonder if the NSW' shows were scheduled for this week, what the situation would be?
I'm a Station Commander in FRNSW. Going on 27 years now. The current total fire ban applies to the entire state, indoors and outdoors.

Usually there is an exemption for fireworks (which includes pyro), however, with the state so dry that exemption has been revoked.

If any of the Sydney shows were this week they would have gone ahead with no pyro.

Southerlys blew through Sydney yesterday. There is currently no smoke or dust haze to speak of. Conditions are predicted to heat up again near the end of this week.

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Post by Sam T Serpent » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:24 pm

firekiss wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:57 pm
theincrediblehull wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:46 pm
Sam T Serpent wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:15 pm
Would a controlled environment like an arena still have a fireban in place? I could understand the Newcastle show with it being outdoors.

Yes it was the Newcastle show I was thinking of, that is the one I will be attending.

I do wonder if the NSW' shows were scheduled for this week, what the situation would be?
I'm a Station Commander in FRNSW. Going on 27 years now. The current total fire ban applies to the entire state, indoors and outdoors.

Usually there is an exemption for fireworks (which includes pyro), however, with the state so dry that exemption has been revoked.

If any of the Sydney shows were this week they would have gone ahead with no pyro.

Southerlys blew through Sydney yesterday. There is currently no smoke or dust haze to speak of. Conditions are predicted to heat up again near the end of this week.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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Sam T Serpent wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:24 pm
firekiss wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:57 pm
theincrediblehull wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:46 pm
Sam T Serpent wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:15 pm
Would a controlled environment like an arena still have a fireban in place? I could understand the Newcastle show with it being outdoors.

Yes it was the Newcastle show I was thinking of, that is the one I will be attending.

I do wonder if the NSW' shows were scheduled for this week, what the situation would be?
I'm a Station Commander in FRNSW. Going on 27 years now. The current total fire ban applies to the entire state, indoors and outdoors.

Usually there is an exemption for fireworks (which includes pyro), however, with the state so dry that exemption has been revoked.

If any of the Sydney shows were this week they would have gone ahead with no pyro.

Southerlys blew through Sydney yesterday. There is currently no smoke or dust haze to speak of. Conditions are predicted to heat up again near the end of this week.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Thanks for the great work you do Firekiss, your colleagues too! :salut: :salut:

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Post by MrBlackwell » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:18 am

how were the ticket sales for the NZ concert?

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Post by nibbler1982 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:03 am

MrBlackwell wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:18 am
how were the ticket sales for the NZ concert?
About 65% sold. I’d say roughly 5,000 tickets. The place isn’t very big. It’s pretty much on par with Mohegan Sun in Uncasville.

I can’t say if the influenza story is true or not. I can say with certainty that that were PLENTY of shows along the way that looked considerably worse than Auckland but went on to produce solid/sold-out showings.
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KISS
Honda Center
Anaheim, CA
Feb. 12, 2019
$1,210,215
10,364 **SOLD-OUT
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February 13, 2019
Glendale, AZ
Gila River Arena
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Barclays Center
Brooklyn, NY
Aug 20, 2019
$1,035,019
11,566 **SOLD-OUT
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Verizon Arena
North Little Rock, AR
Sep. 5, 2019
$768,520
12,028 **SOLD-OUT

Add this together with the fact the Perth show was rescheduled, and the NZ show wasn’t just altogether dropped...and I wholeheartedly believe the current explanation.
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Post by Crown Royal » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:05 am

nibbler1982 wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:03 am

I can’t say if the influenza story is true or not. I can say with certainty that that were PLENTY of shows along the way that looked considerably worse than Auckland but went on to produce solid/sold-out showings.
Yes, with lots of price-slashing

Maybe that wasn't an option here.

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Post by andykiss78 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:14 am

I just hope the whole Aussie tour is not cancelled, which is a very real possibility. If it's genuine influenza, I can't see Paul being ready to go at his age.

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