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I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by aceeg » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:12 pm

Today they are boring.
80s-90s Kiss was great, fast heavy Lick it up & Asylum great fast hard rock bass drums , killer guitar by VV & BK, & MSJ, all brought new excitement in there own way to Kiss.
especially BK what a under rated guitar player.
Asylum kicks ass.
Been listening to non makeup era last few weeks on youtube. Great music.
wish they were back with BK right now with no makeup.
Kiss with makeup now are well done...

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by KissJJM » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:16 pm

LOL

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by gogol80 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:17 pm

I would prefer a return to that version of KISS too.

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Post by Andy Capp » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:39 pm

The 80’s ruled---

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Post by Thunderous_Lay » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:42 pm

#metoo

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Post by Destroyerhead » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:45 pm

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Post by TheSpoiler » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:53 pm

Same

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by lucas123 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:23 pm

Same here.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by Crazy Crazy Mike » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:51 pm

I was born at the end of 1984 and didn't discover KISS until the mid-to-late 90s, so I didn't get to experience that era as it happened, but it's my personal favorite. Lick It Up, Asylum, Crazy Nights, and Hot In The Shade are all well into my top ten.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by Forevertj » Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:47 pm

I do too. The 80's were a great time to be alive.

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Post by PterCriss » Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:55 pm

I'm surprised Doc hasn't had Kiss do a run of unmasked tours. This could have helped Kiss' brand expand towards another demographic.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by redinthesky » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:14 pm

80s Kiss was an incredible fun time. Fun albums (even tho they all had some crap), fun shows. Taking off the makeup and getting Bruce would not bring those days back though. The thing is, Kiss without makeup is almost solely dependent on Paul and he just doesn't have the voice anymore.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by caligari » Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:57 pm

redinthesky wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:14 pm
80s Kiss without makeup is almost solely dependent on Paul and he just doesn't have the voice anymore.
TRUTH 🙌🏻

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by Tito » Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:02 am

A very important part of KISStory for me too; I got into the band in 1985. But the idea of the returning to that NOW?! It's a little late for that don't you think...

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by Mr Slow » Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:08 am

aceeg wrote:
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Kiss with makeup now are well done...
Yeah, totally and utterly washed up! :lol:
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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by Mr Slow » Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:13 am

redinthesky wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:14 pm
80s Kiss was an incredible fun time. Fun albums (even tho they all had some crap), fun shows. Taking off the makeup and getting Bruce would not bring those days back though. The thing is, Kiss without makeup is almost solely dependent on Paul and he just doesn't have the voice anymore.
I agree with everything you said. Plus, why would a band that’s currently filling arenas want to jeopardize that? As much as the diehards love the music etc. it’s the makeup and spectacle that has allowed them to carry on this long.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by Tito » Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:24 am

Mr Slow wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:08 am
aceeg wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:12 pm

Kiss with makeup now are well done...
Yeah, totally and utterly washed up! :lol: 096E0D70-2CAB-470F-A064-A219A8DB6B07.jpegF52F74E5-A136-40E9-B7FE-B449CA32B00B.jpegFE7CC518-78EF-47A9-ACCB-FC5E118E6734.jpeg
Way to prove someone's tastes and opinions are wrong. Look at all these people who don't agree. Herd mentality at its worst. KISS, as AN ACTUAL BAND, a creative musical entity (since you are responding to a post there that mentions guitar playing and great music there), is done and indeed washed up and has been for a long f'n time even if they'd sold twice that many tickets.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by PterCriss » Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:45 am

Mr Slow wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:13 am
redinthesky wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:14 pm
80s Kiss was an incredible fun time. Fun albums (even tho they all had some crap), fun shows. Taking off the makeup and getting Bruce would not bring those days back though. The thing is, Kiss without makeup is almost solely dependent on Paul and he just doesn't have the voice anymore.
I agree with everything you said. Plus, why would a band that’s currently filling arenas want to jeopardize that? As much as the diehards love the music etc. it’s the makeup and spectacle that has allowed them to carry on this long.
How would they jeopardize the big stage show and make-up? Touring without the make up at smaller theaters or arenas would only make the demand for full make up stage show more special. It would also give Kiss the option to attract different fans and play shows that are more music driven.

The die hards are not the fans at the 2019 EOTR show and Kiss touring without make would still draw big crowds. This is not about longevity anymore either since we are at the end of the road for Kiss in make up. Use some imagination and it would make sense.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by jannep17 » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:12 am

Well, it would be a dignified way to go out, with the Revenge lineup.
But last time I checked, Kiss was never about dignity.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by Mr Slow » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:20 am

PterCriss wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:45 am
Mr Slow wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:13 am
redinthesky wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:14 pm
80s Kiss was an incredible fun time. Fun albums (even tho they all had some crap), fun shows. Taking off the makeup and getting Bruce would not bring those days back though. The thing is, Kiss without makeup is almost solely dependent on Paul and he just doesn't have the voice anymore.
I agree with everything you said. Plus, why would a band that’s currently filling arenas want to jeopardize that? As much as the diehards love the music etc. it’s the makeup and spectacle that has allowed them to carry on this long.
How would they jeopardize the big stage show and make-up? Touring without the make up at smaller theaters or arenas would only make the demand for full make up stage show more special. It would also give Kiss the option to attract different fans and play shows that are more music driven.

The die hards are not the fans at the 2019 EOTR show and Kiss touring without make would still draw big crowds. This is not about longevity anymore either since we are at the end of the road for Kiss in make up. Use some imagination and it would make sense.
So KISS, possibly a year or so out from retiring as a touring act, takes a few months off from the current version of the band (that grosses a million+ every night) to play to diehards in small venues? Yeah it makes perfect sense! :lol:

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by Kloetenburger » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:56 am

The music sucked mostly but at least they were a real working band putting out music and the live shows were exciting.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by Mr Slow » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:22 am

Tito wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:24 am
Mr Slow wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:08 am
aceeg wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:12 pm

Kiss with makeup now are well done...
Yeah, totally and utterly washed up! :lol: 096E0D70-2CAB-470F-A064-A219A8DB6B07.jpegF52F74E5-A136-40E9-B7FE-B449CA32B00B.jpegFE7CC518-78EF-47A9-ACCB-FC5E118E6734.jpeg
Way to prove someone's tastes and opinions are wrong. Look at all these people who don't agree. Herd mentality at its worst. KISS, as AN ACTUAL BAND, a creative musical entity (since you are responding to a post there that mentions guitar playing and great music there), is done and indeed washed up and has been for a long f'n time even if they'd sold twice that many tickets.
So going back to the REVENGE lineup would mean they would suddenly make new music? No it would not. The only differences between what they’re doing now and a return to the 1992-95 version of the band would be that they would have no makeup, a different guitarist and play to much less people.

For the record, I love 1980-95 KISS. As I wrote in a recent topic I listen to that period of the band way more than the 70’s stuff. But we all know KISS does (and has always done) what makes the most money. Touring in the makeup with a big live spectacle is what keeps the business afloat. Reverting back to eras of the band that only the diehards cared about is just crazy. Do it on a Kruise by all means, but in the real world? Not a chance!

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by Tito » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:26 am

Mr Slow wrote:
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So going back to the REVENGE lineup would mean they would suddenly make new music?
I don't follow your logic. I said nothing to suggest that. In fact I said it's a little late to go back to that now. They're not making new music now either.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by Mr Slow » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:38 am

Tito wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:26 am
Mr Slow wrote:
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So going back to the REVENGE lineup would mean they would suddenly make new music?
I don't follow your logic. I said nothing to suggest that. In fact I said it's a little late to go back to that now. They're not making new music now either.
I was responding to your criticisms of my first post with all the audience shots. My point was if aceeg thinks KISS are “well done” then why would going back to a less popular era make them suddenly relevant?

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by I Am A FREAK » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:57 am

aceeg wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:12 pm
Today they are boring.
I don't miss them without make-up, I think they are boring now because they don't release new albums or change the live track list. just my opinion

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by acesmiddlefinger » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:28 am

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The die hards are not the fans at the 2019 EOTR show and Kiss touring without make would still draw big crowds.
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Just laughable PC. They would be lucky to fill 2000 seat arenas. Paul and Gene have decided how it will end. The general public have responded with their feet. The die hards are few and far between now.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

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acesmiddlefinger wrote:
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Just laughable PC. They would be lucky to fill 2000 seat arenas. Paul and Gene have decided how it will end. The general public have responded with their feet. The die hards are few and far between now.
Yep. When KISS get reduced to just diehards we get COTN and REVENGE tours. When they appeal to the masses we get AWW and EOTR tours.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by KrazySwede » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:33 am

You miss being younger.....

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by Tito » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:17 am

Mr Slow wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:38 am
Tito wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:26 am
Mr Slow wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:22 am
So going back to the REVENGE lineup would mean they would suddenly make new music?
I don't follow your logic. I said nothing to suggest that. In fact I said it's a little late to go back to that now. They're not making new music now either.
I was responding to your criticisms of my first post with all the audience shots. My point was if aceeg thinks KISS are “well done” then why would going back to a less popular era make them suddenly relevant?
I took him to mean that artistically/musically, to him. I certainly think so myself. That's why the sports fan mentality (you're happy when "your band" is successful) doesn't apply. I only care about whether I like what they're doing. But this can go on forever so whatever. A lot of people went. Yay.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by PUNCHLINE » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:23 am

From a business point of view it would make ZERO sense.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by Hi I'm Witz » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:27 am

Kloetenburger wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:56 am
The music sucked mostly but at least they were a real working band putting out music and the live shows were exciting.
Well, at least Lick It Up through Asylum, the music did not suck "mostly." The music sucked "occasionally." But the majority of songs on those 3 albums are good IMO. Crazy Nights has a lot of tunes that would've sounded great with better production. Hot in the Shade...not so much.

I hated the KISS image in the 80's way more than I did the music and I'm afraid that alone has influenced a lot of people's opinions. I know this is another argument but I STILL maintain the kabuki makeup could've worked in the 80's if handled correctly. Get rid of the bulky costumes with 70's platform boots and modernize them a little, sure. But the actual makeup itself could've stayed on if they had found a good character for Bruce.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by Super Bee » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:40 am

I also miss the non make-up era. Will always be my favorite.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by PUNCHLINE » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:45 am

I was an 80s Kiss starter, became a fan in around 1984/early 85. looking back it had its moments of naffness, but there was also a certain unpredictability to it, whats the new album going to be like, new videos for the singles, whats the look for the band now, new tour staging etc. TV appearances top of the pops, lots of touring. Was an exciting and fun time to look back on.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

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Mr Slow wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:20 am
PterCriss wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:45 am
Mr Slow wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:13 am
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:14 pm
80s Kiss was an incredible fun time. Fun albums (even tho they all had some crap), fun shows. Taking off the makeup and getting Bruce would not bring those days back though. The thing is, Kiss without makeup is almost solely dependent on Paul and he just doesn't have the voice anymore.
I agree with everything you said. Plus, why would a band that’s currently filling arenas want to jeopardize that? As much as the diehards love the music etc. it’s the makeup and spectacle that has allowed them to carry on this long.
How would they jeopardize the big stage show and make-up? Touring without the make up at smaller theaters or arenas would only make the demand for full make up stage show more special. It would also give Kiss the option to attract different fans and play shows that are more music driven.

The die hards are not the fans at the 2019 EOTR show and Kiss touring without make would still draw big crowds. This is not about longevity anymore either since we are at the end of the road for Kiss in make up. Use some imagination and it would make sense.
So KISS, possibly a year or so out from retiring as a touring act, takes a few months off from the current version of the band (that grosses a million+ every night) to play to diehards in small venues? Yeah it makes perfect sense! :lol:
This has nothing to do with die hards. It's about opening the band up to a new audience and this would also extend their career. Go back and watch an event called Mtv Unplugged featuring Kiss. Touring under the name KISS is what sales the band. Remember it's about the music. And this could be aniline also not just the revenge lineup. DUH!

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by PterCriss » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:39 am

Mr Slow wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:08 am
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:12 pm

Kiss with makeup now are well done...
Yeah, totally and utterly washed up! :lol: 096E0D70-2CAB-470F-A064-A219A8DB6B07.jpegF52F74E5-A136-40E9-B7FE-B449CA32B00B.jpegFE7CC518-78EF-47A9-ACCB-FC5E118E6734.jpeg
And that same exact show, with pyro, explosions and everything intact would pull on big numbers in 4 years under Kiss 2.0. No one can tell who's under the make up anymore and 2.0 could lip sync. Kiss is nothing more then a touring act now like blue man or the circus. Let's go see the Demona dn Spaceman, Kiss is in town.

Kiss 2.0 is the Spaceman, Demon, Starchild and the Catman, on tour in 2023 with Kiss biggest and most successful stage show ever.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by B5Erik » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:43 am

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Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:14 pm
80s Kiss was an incredible fun time. Fun albums (even tho they all had some crap), fun shows. Taking off the makeup and getting Bruce would not bring those days back though. The thing is, Kiss without makeup is almost solely dependent on Paul and he just doesn't have the voice anymore.
That's it, exactly. If Paul still had even 75% of his voice, they could do it and it would be great. But he doesn't, so it would suck.

But I loved that era, and I still think the band was better, live, at that point in terms of energy on stage than they've ever been before or since. It was a fun time to be a fan. The Animalize, Asylum, HITS, and Revenge tours were all fantastic. I miss those days.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by PUNCHLINE » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:51 am

PterCriss wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:34 am
Mr Slow wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:20 am
PterCriss wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:45 am
Mr Slow wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:13 am
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:14 pm
80s Kiss was an incredible fun time. Fun albums (even tho they all had some crap), fun shows. Taking off the makeup and getting Bruce would not bring those days back though. The thing is, Kiss without makeup is almost solely dependent on Paul and he just doesn't have the voice anymore.
I agree with everything you said. Plus, why would a band that’s currently filling arenas want to jeopardize that? As much as the diehards love the music etc. it’s the makeup and spectacle that has allowed them to carry on this long.
How would they jeopardize the big stage show and make-up? Touring without the make up at smaller theaters or arenas would only make the demand for full make up stage show more special. It would also give Kiss the option to attract different fans and play shows that are more music driven.

The die hards are not the fans at the 2019 EOTR show and Kiss touring without make would still draw big crowds. This is not about longevity anymore either since we are at the end of the road for Kiss in make up. Use some imagination and it would make sense.
So KISS, possibly a year or so out from retiring as a touring act, takes a few months off from the current version of the band (that grosses a million+ every night) to play to diehards in small venues? Yeah it makes perfect sense! :lol:
This has nothing to do with die hards. It's about opening the band up to a new audience and this would also extend their career. Go back and watch an event called Mtv Unplugged featuring Kiss. Touring under the name KISS is what sales the band. Remember it's about the music. And this could be aniline also not just the revenge lineup. DUH!
With all due respect you`re on crack if you think playing to smaller audiences without the makeup would extend their career again. It worked last time in 1983 because they simply had no other option and there was a novelty factor involved. You actually think that using just the name but no show, no makeup, playing small venues now would actually extend their careers? How on earth would it open the band up to a new audience at their point in their career? Do you think kids would either go "there`s a new band playing the local theatre, never heard of them, lets go take a chance and go see them?" or "Wow Ive heard of Kiss but never fancied going to one of their gigs, lets go check them out now theyve ditched the show and its just a bunch of 60+ year olds in leather".

If you arent inclinded in 2019/2020 to go see kiss with some kind of spectacle you`re hardly going to be suddenly turned on by them "au naturele". the logic of touring like that making the demand for makeup shows is absolutely absurd at best.

I seriously hope you dont run a business if you think that would be a great idea, lol.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by Doose » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:01 am

Make-up or no make-up, the sad truth is Paul Stanley without a voice essentially means no version of KISS can ever really exist past the EOTR Tour.

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Re: I miss Non Makeup Kiss

Post by JohnBergless » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:02 am

I guess I kind of do too; but remember that The marketplace is so different now though. Today, KISS can pretty much show up in any hockey arena with a shitload of pyrotechnics and their outfits and laser machines and people won't be inclined to compare them to Iron Maiden, BonJovi, Judas Priest, Ozzy and RATT. In the 80's, KISS had to have top airtime slots on MTV, and choose their clothes very carefully to keep stride with all the other hard rock bands who were gobbling up fans.
A 71 year old version of Asylum just wouldn't be pretty. Why am I thinking Nursing Home bingo party right now.

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