Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof?

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof?

Post by AceTattoo » Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:50 am

So y'all are sayin'. They brought a mannequin in to impersonate Vin?!!?? How early did these shenanigans start with G&P?!!! I hate that fuckin' mannequin!!!

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof?

Post by goinblind » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:01 pm

AceTattoo wrote:So y'all are sayin'. They brought a mannequin in to impersonate Vin?!!?? How early did these shenanigans start with G&P?!!! I hate that fuckin' mannequin!!!
A mannequin saved KISS!!!

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof?

Post by gene therapist » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:55 pm

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof?

Post by Sam » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:17 am

So where is the mannequin now? Was it sold at one of the auctions? Was it stolen out of the warehouse? Is it collecting dust next to Sam T. Serpent and the Destroyer cats? Would anyone be stupid enough to buy a fake one if I put it on Ebay?

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof?

Post by kisswah » Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:10 am

I have the mannequin somewhere in my basement.
It is next to the Gene video bloodspitting on the first Lick It Up show ...

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof

Post by Forevertj » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:13 am

PeterChrissmas wrote:Wearing that shirt was a real bad move for Gene... It looks like someone threw a blouse into the Gorilla Pit at the Zoo...



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:mrgreen: Great comment.

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof

Post by Stanley76 » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:23 pm

C wrote:Yes that's the one!
it has white buttons but you cannot see them well on the last pictures but even Gene looks like a mannequin with that oversized shirt


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Bruce Kulick told me once that he wore Paul´s clothes on the Asylum tour.

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof?

Post by C » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:27 pm

For sure, Gene wore Paul's 78 solo & 82 COTN belt on the Animalize & Asylum tours as well.

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof?

Post by johnkissfan1974 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:01 pm

I swear Peter was a mannaquin in most of kiss' 77 photo shoots. Aside for the "fists" pose on the cubes poster (and doll box) he always had the same boring face/standing pose.

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof?

Post by johnkissfan1974 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:03 pm

Was it ever discussed why vinnie wore a wig? It helped alot IMO - his original hairstyle looked like a mangy mess and the wig did wonders.

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof

Post by KrazySwede » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:17 pm

C wrote:That was Gene's 1983 pink/purple shirt.
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Gene looks very much like Paul Dean in that photo.....

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Post by C » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:20 pm

KrazySwede wrote:
C wrote:That was Gene's 1983 pink/purple shirt.
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Gene looks very much like Paul Dean in that photo.....
Same wigmaker :D
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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof?

Post by CHRIS ARMY » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:45 pm

I think with Gene and Paul's shit-talking about Vinnie over the years, they would have said something about it if he wasn't there.

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof?

Post by C » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:48 pm

Dennis Woloch debunked it, He was There, Vincent was there, the "black stand" visible on some outtakes it's part of Vinnie's belt hanging.
http://www.kissfaq.com/forum11/viewtopic.php?t=112959" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof?

Post by poserboy71 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:24 pm

How difficult is it to believe that Vinnie was there but they cut and pasted some photos together (using Vinnie's face on a few different pics) to get something they like ?

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof?

Post by Grizzly Adams » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:34 pm

Just found this photo.
Vinnie's head looks like it is set at a strange angle compared to the body.
More mannequin proof?
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https://tonedeaf.thebrag.com/on-this-da ... irst-time/

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof?

Post by Grizzly Adams » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:15 pm

Grizzly Adams wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:34 pm
Just found this photo.
Vinnie's head looks like it is set at a strange angle compared to the body.
More mannequin proof?
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https://tonedeaf.thebrag.com/on-this-da ... irst-time/
Not to mention the prehistoric Photoshop job on Paul Stanley's left arm in this photo.

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof?

Post by caligari » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:30 pm

In his book Paul said Vinnie wore the wig because his real hair was so wispy he looked like
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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof?

Post by BlairC42 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:46 pm

Even Gene's body and coat are in the same posture could Gene had to be photoshopped in picture 1 & 2?

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Post by TheSphinx » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:58 am

This is ridiculous. And I remember Vinnie selling alternate cover pics from that same photo session back in 1997 or so.

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof

Post by jannep17 » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:42 am

Tommyr wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:31 am
kissjrj wrote:In that pic of Mark St. John in the studio, he looks like a Bay City Roller.

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LOL! Nice!
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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof

Post by BlackAce » Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:33 am

Fickdich wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:46 am
Ace's Silver Suit wrote:As a side note, Gene wore his pink pirate shirt at least once during the Euro Animalize tour! He put a vest over it - it looked awful!
Gene looked awful for most of the 80s.
Who didn't?!

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof

Post by doombies » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:25 am

Australia1980 wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:38 am
kisswah wrote:On the last 3 sides of the coin it was talked about that Vinnie was not present at the Lick It Up photosession and replaced by a mannequin.
I took the 3 photos and stacked them on top of each other to see if Vinnies face matches. Then I realized Gene & Eric wearing different clothes.
That's all.
You did a great job with this, kisswah.

KISS needs to hire more competent people. For instance, the wizard who put together this magazine spread of the Animalize sessions.

No Gene? No problem!

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Lol I thought Gene was actually in there, i was wrong :lol:

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof?

Post by missingdiver » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:03 am

There appears to be a metal or plastic bar running down vinnie’s shoulder in the black and white lick it up photo. Mannequins have that .and yeah Paul’s left shoulder is sliced off.

Gene’s headstock on his bass in cut in half on the animalize era pic lol

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof?

Post by douglasroads » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:28 am

There is no way they’d have used a manaquin. A roadie or photographer’s assistant if VV had been ill, maybe, and then composite and airbrush the right head in afterwards.
There was no photoshop, just very skilled people in the darkroom, with a scalpel to negs and with an airbrush.

Generally happened when there was a dispute in the band over which pic to use - if , say, Paul was dead set on a specific shot of himself while someone else was less than flattered by their look in the same frame. Then you’d get a ‘joiner’ to combine different shots into one. Queen’s ‘Sheer Heart Attack’ is a well known example of this. ‘Dynasty took things to ridiculous and costly extremes by not only joining different band members from different shots but even compositing different facial features together.

Actually, here’s a different theory for you- That is Vinnie standing there in the original shots. Forget the awkward angles, the dude always posed in a self conscious and odd way. But he had his own hair in the shots and he looked worse than he does in the LIU video. Just a straggly rat-boy. Paul sees the shots and goes ballistic, but loves the shots of everyone else, so he slaps a wig on Vinnie, they shoot head shots only and the art department strips them in. Voila- you have Dennis’ recollection of VV being there as perfectly correct, and you also have the explanation for why those heads don’t quite seem to sit right.

Well it’s a theory!

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Re: Lick It Up Cover Conspiracy - Proof?

Post by kisswah » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:46 am

I don't think it was a mannequin since Vinnie and Wolloch said so.
But anyway here is that animation again to see the cut and paste.
You can see that Vinnie's face is the same on all these pictures.
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