A Poll just for those who DID NOT purchase "Destroyer 45"

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I didn't purchase "Destroyer 45" because:

Poll runs till Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:08 am

I just don't like "Destroyer."
10
4%
I already had/heard most of the music and didn't need any of it again.
61
25%
Too expensive to justify.
27
11%
I simply don't have the money at this time.
24
10%
I can listen for free on streaming platforms.
40
16%
No vinyl only option for the full collection.
13
5%
Budget limited, I'll get around to it.
15
6%
I'm the enemy.
5
2%
Not value for money.
15
6%
It wasn't impressive enough.
11
4%
I said "not another cent" long ago and am sticking to that.
23
9%
I hate KISS, I'm just here to annoy people.
4
2%
 
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A Poll just for those who DID NOT purchase "Destroyer 45"

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My final poll on the subject, ONLY FOR THOSE WHO DID NOT purchase "Destroyer 45?" You've listened to many of us blather about the release for a week or more, so let's hear your voice! Why not?

I would ask, that if you vote in this poll, you take a few moments to post your reasons for that vote, to not just flippantly click a vote option, but to give it consideration.

Some may have multiple reasons, so select the option that most closely matches your reason.
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I am generally not fan of deluxe editions or bonus material. I take albums the way producers and bands wanted them to be released. Simple as that. It would be wasting of money for me. I am perfectly happy with those 9 original songs + intro & outro.
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For me, the extra non-music stuff has no value, so that automatically makes the price questionable. When the track list first came out, I was still interested because of the demos and the live show. The samples of the live show sounded very underwhelming. It's nothing I would ever listen to before many other shows. Most of the demos were unreleased for a reason, and were not significant upgrades over what I'd heard before. In the end, I would have been paying for a better version of It's The Fire, and maybe the book.
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I'm going caveat everything I say now hugely with the fact that I've begun to stream some of the items of interest from my Amazon Music account. That said...

...I clicked on 'Too expensive to justify'.

In itself, the content seems to be an excellent collection and decent value for money. I just value my money more.

Now KISS is almost entirely exclusively a heritage act, a legacy act, a historical recording artist, or whatever name you want to give them, I cannot justify being financially milked continuously.

But I have no problem it being product that's out there for others to purchase and enjoy. It's just not for me.

As I said, I have a passing enough interest to stream elements of it on my Amazon account (and unlike some, thoroughly enjoyed the novelty of having the Paris released officially, however the sonics are).

Unfortunately, my interest is waning because the band isn't staying current.

Cards on the table; I'm an unmasked-era fan. I discovered KISS with Lick It Up, and I was on my merry way to deep, excessive fandom from that point onward.

I had my heart broken in 1996 when the Reunion was announced, and didn't enjoy the whole charade of KISS in Donington in 1996. The MTV Brooklyn Bridge performance made me get my mojo back, and I ended up seeing KISS in Australia and at Finsbury Park and so on.

Psycho Circus clearly added to the pretence, even in 1998.

The sole UK date on that tour was FUCKING AWFUL. KISS ditched it's line-up for this shower of shit? It was depressing.

Then Ace and Peter are gone, and as much as I hated seeing Eric in make-up (I never had a problem with Tommy, go figure) I got on with it. They might be a heritage act, I thought, but at least they can play.

Then with Sonic Boom and Monster I felt I'd got some element of KISS back again. It's not all about bombs and make-up like folks have been levelling at us since the 70s, it's about producing new music.

Whether you enjoy that music or not is up to you. But the band were creative, active, staying relevant by producing new music.

I happen to love both of those albums.

But since then, almost a decade, we've been stuck in a heritage vortex again. Because of that, my fandom has reduced significantly, and my desire to own everything they release is to all intents and purposes out of the window.

The Destroyer 45 packaging looks great, and everything, but to me it was unjustifiable at this point.

I'm having way more fun discovering - or rediscovering - acts from the 1970s or 1980s and upwards that I ignored because of my KISS geekdom.

Why would I spaff the best part of £200 on a Destroyer box with tax and shipping, when I could be putting that cash to good use on original vinyl or reissued vinyl from other artists that would be 'new' to me.

In brief, I've moved on, financially and emotionally.
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I simply wouldn't have the room to get all these box sets by a single band. I'm am hoping for a Hotter than Hell boxset, although that probably won't happen. I am guessing there will be a gussied up version of the originals with a few extra tracks and demo's on a single cd (hopefully on vinyl) but mostly live stuff I gather, and I might just settle for that.


Also would probably go for a Lick it Up or Creatures boxset as well (again probably never happen). I wonder if Vinnie's involvement on those albums throws a wrench into those plans?
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This particular album doesn't interest me enough to want more versions of it, and neither does CD as a format.

Some rather sardonic options in the poll there.
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Tito wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:53 am Some rather sardonic options in the poll there.
Not in the slightest.
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I said not another cent long ago and I'm sticking to that. I simply can't justify spending serious money on these guys anymore. A lot of my collection is of the used variety anyway of which I pay enough money each month just to store it. In a perfect world I would love to have this release but my world was turned upside down last year with a stroke putting me into a wheelchair. My ship has sailed.
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Destroyer is over rated like RNR over and LG the best. Kramer is a better producer in my opinion.
Ezrin was the start of breaking up the band by replacing Ace without his knowledge.
Plus I don’t have a CD player anymore.
My car a Maserati doesn’t have one my home has Sonos so everything is streamed.
Plus I listened to it on Apple Music and wasn’t impressed, Destroyer Resurected is better.
The only thing worth it is Peters song ain’t none of your business.
The demos are eh, and I thought would feature the band not session players.
So to me it’s Kiss just being a hoax again using session players.
I only want to hear the band!
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Julien wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:54 am
Tito wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:53 am Some rather sardonic options in the poll there.
Not in the slightest.
I see. So, "enemy" of what exactly?
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I see no point and very little value in buying 'deluxe' editions of records I already own. Out takes, demos, alternate versions I have no interest in.
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Not in my budget.
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I voted 'I am the enemy,' just to be cheeky! As for why I'm not buying Destroyer 45, I've nothing to play it on. Even if I did ... Beth, Detroit Rock City and God of Thunder are all that's decent on the album. Adding bonus tracks wouldn't entice me, either.

What would earn my interest, then? Ha! Something that could never happen: re-record all the instrumentals. Seriously! Get that tinny, 70's sound out of it, altogether. It can't ever be remastered out. And lower the purchase price of the damn thing ...
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Tito wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:58 am
Julien wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:54 am
Tito wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:53 am Some rather sardonic options in the poll there.
Not in the slightest.
I see. So, "enemy" of what exactly?
Seriously?

Gene. Pre-release interview comment that was repeated here as a reason for cancellation of orders. Did that comment have an effect on people's plans? Is there a consequence to his words?
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I went with budget limited, I’ll get around to it.

It’s getting close to Christmas and I have other expenses right now. My brother has it on order, so I will get to check it all out. It’s possible I’ll pick it up at a later time. I also have other non KISS stuff on my wish list at the moment.
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Julien wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:03 am
Tito wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:58 am
Julien wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:54 am
Tito wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:53 am Some rather sardonic options in the poll there.
Not in the slightest.
I see. So, "enemy" of what exactly?
Seriously?

Gene. Pre-release interview comment that was repeated here as a reason for cancellation of orders. Did that comment have an effect on people's plans? Is there a consequence to his words?
:P D'oh! Yeah, I didn't get that. 🤦
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Tito wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:53 am This particular album doesn't interest me enough to want more versions of it, and neither does CD as a format.

Some rather sardonic options in the poll there.
My favorite choice was, “I hate KISS. I’m just here to annoy people”. :D
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I’m the enemy.

FUCK YOU, GENE.
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None of the above. I haven’t ordered it but plan on doing so. It looks awesome! I will love looking and reading all the extras once I get it.
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I bought it on vinyl when I was a kid in 1976 and have bought in every other format since then, add in the remasters and Resurrected and it's ridiculous. Some cool goodies in the package but I personally don't care about having them. But I think it's well done if you want it
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Several reasons:

1. Can listen it free on Spotify/Youtube (EDIT: my vote)
2. Don't have enough dough to invest into it
3. Sold my KISS collection (most of it) and makes no sense to purchase it due to 2.
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Voted - Streaming platforms.

I love Destroyer. It’s a Top 5 album for me. Also:

•I ain’t a completist. Kizz is my favorite band, & I only own 8 vinyl records. Not necessarily my favorite ones, just ones I’ve acquired over the decades. Might sound crazy to some FAQ members. But I have a budget, I’m a semi-Minimalist, & this 850 sq. ft. apartment is the biggest place I’ve ever lived.
•2 years in a row of 50% pay - working half the year. 4th go round with Unemployment in the last 1.75 years. I am thankful I have a good life… but it’s not always an easy one.
•I always think about “selling the farm” & moving to Hawai’i. If that happens 1 year… it’ll be a “2 suitcases on a flight” move. Not a “pay $20K to have every possession shipped” move.
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Julien wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:03 am
Tito wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:58 am
Julien wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:54 am
Tito wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:53 am Some rather sardonic options in the poll there.
Not in the slightest.
I see. So, "enemy" of what exactly?
Seriously?

Gene. Pre-release interview comment that was repeated here as a reason for cancellation of orders. Did that comment have an effect on people's plans? Is there a consequence to his words?
Link? I must've missed another frog coming from his mouth...
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lord71 wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:07 am Link? I must've missed another frog coming from his mouth...
Google it. I don't need anymore of that stuff here.
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I was initially excited about it but as time went on I gradually cooled for a few of the reasons you listed.

I've got multiple copies of Destroyer already. (strike one)

I'm not big on CDs. (strike two)

I can stream a lot of it already using my Amazon Unlimited account. (strike three)

Once I got to look at everything on a great unboxing video, that also had the unexpected effect of taking some of the thrill of discovery out of it. (Strike one at my next at bat.)

I may get it eventually, but for now, spending $200 on something I wasn't all that excited about didn't make sense. As I'm only a collector of what get's me excited, I bought a copy of KISS MTV Unplugged on vinyl instead that I can't wait to add to the collection. Woo hoo.
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I can't imagine what it would take for me to spend another penny on anything Kiss. I still haven't even looked up the Daisy footage from years ago, and that was free!

My interest is purely out of habit, I like the minutiae.
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richardsimmons wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:07 am I always think about “selling the farm” & moving to Hawai’i.
OMG. I fell in love with Hawai’i. Can't wait for my next visit and further explorations of the culture, scenery and food.
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Julien wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:19 am
richardsimmons wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:07 am I always think about “selling the farm” & moving to Hawai’i.
OMG. I fell in love with Hawai’i. Can't wait for my next visit and further explorations of the culture, scenery and food.
Hell ya. We agree. This possibility is always in the back of my mind when I make purchases. That’s how OCD I am! 😂 I’ve only been to O’ahu & Maui 3x. Cannot wait to get to Kauai & the Big Island.

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If I get it I would want the deluxe with the live show and at $200 I think it’s to expensive. I’ll probably get it off Amazon at some point.
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I'm not buying cd's anymore so there was no point in buying the box set. The separate vinyl is not enticing enough on its own. I'm also not into reissues a lot. I'd rather spend my money on original pressings of albums.
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I heard the Spotify version and I still find Destroyer to be a tedious listen. I remember buying it when it came out after loving Alive and quickly losing interest in the album and KISS. If I want to hear something similar in that Bob Ezrin vein, I could put on Killer or Billion Dollar Babies or even Schools out by AC. Glad you like it, enjoy. Sorry to upset the orthodoxy about KISS.
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I chose "I already had/heard most of the music and didn't need any of it again." But really, I'm downsizing and not buying box sets anymore. I've found that I usually listen to the music a couple of times, enjoy the extras while doing so, and then they get put away. I've got a NM original vinyl pressing of Destroyer and that's good enough. That said, it was tempting to buy this as it looks like a really well put together package.
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Several reasons..

1) I love "Destroyer", but it's not my favorite KISS album.

2) Most of the demos and outtakes, I already own and have heard. And two of the new demos I've heard aren't that impressive.

3) Too many repeats and mixes of the same songs.

4) I don't own a Blu Ray player..and I've read the reviews that the live Paris 76 concert (audio wise) isn't that great.

5) No DVD of a clear "Destroyer" era concert included. (Anaheim, Jersey City).

6) The box set is already on You Tube.

7) I'm saving my money for the Prince "Parade" Super Deluxe box set coming out in 2022. At least with that, I'll be hearing plenty
of tracks I've never heard before. Plus extra goodies included.

..and I've already heard (from a few folks that are in the know) that the next KISS box set is already in the works,
and its going to be "spectacular"...I hope so. Take it for what it's worth.

For those who have purchased "Destroyer 45", Congrats and I hope you all enjoy it.
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I'll wait until they're on sale next year.
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  • Should have gone out and said if the plan is to release more (Metallica style) and if they are worth "collecting" to get the whole series, even if Destroyer isn't ones favorite and not worth buying as a stand alone.
  • Should have had vinyl in the box (or two editions - one with CD and one with vinyl)
  • Releasing a fan recording as the live show is bafflingly laughable.
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I may buy the lowest level (single LP?) version to replace an aging copy of Destroyer. My Kiss vinyl is well loved, though I think I could get by just fine with a 2014 reissue versus something from the deluxe edition.

For now, it's Spotify. I like hearing the demos but really don't need more physical Kiss products in my life. I would change that opinion for a non-make up box set or something that's a bit more fan-oriented, though. The Elder stuff was a sign that maybe, just maybe, we'll see more special editions for the 1980s albums. A Revenge deluxe edition would also get my money in a heartbeat.
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I just don't get excited over this stuff anymore in my old age. Especially the originals. There is nothing more for me that is exciting about original Kiss. Give me a deluxe set from Creatures forward and thats another story...
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second (and so far most popular) option. Just wasn't enough new/unheard/unearthed musical content there to justify a purchase (and I would've happily bought CD...I still love the format).
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None of the above. Generally, I find myself listening to less music these days. I don't feel the need to buy something, listen to it once, and perhaps never listen to again.
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Dankiss wrote: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:18 am I am generally not fan of deluxe editions or bonus material. I take albums the way producers and bands wanted them to be released. Simple as that. It would be wasting of money for me. I am perfectly happy with those 9 original songs + intro & outro.
This is pretty much what I was going to say. I'm just not into all this deluxe reissue stuff. I love Destroyer the way it is and that's enough. I don't need or want a fancy extended version or remix.
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Post by El_Diablo_Loco »

I already have Destroyer on vinyl and CD. Didn't see the need to buy this. If I bought everything KISS released, I'd be flat broke and living in a cardboard box.
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Only interested in the Steve Wilson mixes. I already own the Paris 76 show. Had it for years. Luckily, a member here hooked me up with the Atmos disc.
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Post by battra »

For me, the fact that there's no vinyl only option makes it a non-starter.

Apart from the CD player in my car, I don't own a CD player anymore.

I'm not big on the giant deluxe boxes, from any band, but put enough stuff at a good price and I can be swayed.
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Re: A Poll just for those who DID NOT purchase "Destroyer 45"

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I have Spotify so no need to buy it. I did listen to some of those extra songs and wasn’t really impressed with any of them.
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Re: A Poll just for those who DID NOT purchase "Destroyer 45"

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Would love to have the box set, but can't afford it.
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Re: A Poll just for those who DID NOT purchase "Destroyer 45"

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voted #2

KISS to me is not a band that I want to investigate the demos of ... like Prince for example.
Their demos are basically song sketches on which the roadies (!) played the instruments, so ...

They are a visual band and the visual content of the super deluxe was definetely the right direction and done very nice but - also the price tag was a factor - didn't tip me over. A better audio bootleg, a DVD of a remastered concert would have been nice, some behind the scenes (if available). Maybe moving up in the catalog, stuff like this will be more realistic?

I will eventually get the remastered Destroyer 45 CD.
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Re: A Poll just for those who DID NOT purchase "Destroyer 45"

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Can you see the results somehow without answering? Would like to see but i bought it and still waiting for KOL
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Re: A Poll just for those who DID NOT purchase "Destroyer 45"

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I am sure it was just added for humor or cynicism, but no one here hates KISS and is just here to annoy people.

Nobody gives a shit about KISS outside of the bubble of KISS Army freaks that know every bit of minutiae about the band like most people here know.
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Re: A Poll just for those who DID NOT purchase "Destroyer 45"

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For me, I wasn't all that interested in the audio stuff, but it was the $$.
I loved all the extras and posters in it and almost pulled the trigger just for those but the box would have just sat in a corner of my office, so for that, too expensive for me.
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Re: A Poll just for those who DID NOT purchase "Destroyer 45"

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Several reasons are listed in the poll for me, but "not value for the money" kinda covers it all. It's certainly impressive looking, but it's already overly priced as it is, and moreso after you start subtracting the sorry-ass demos & amateur live recording. My Amazon Music Unlimited account will suffice for me.