KISS the most multi cultural band in history?

FiveCardStud · Post by **FiveCardStud** » Fri May 14, 2021 5:23 pm

Definitive list from the powerful and attractive GlasgowKISS

Paul - German/Polish
Gene - Hungarian/Israeli
Ace - German/Dutch/Native American
Peter - Italian...the surname originates in Sardinia
Eric C - Italian...the surname originates in Sicily
Vinnie - Italian...the surname originates around Modena
Mark - Unsure, but the surname Norton would indicate English
Bruce - Russian
Eric S - German...the surname originates in Lower Saxony - his middle name of Doyle would suggest there's some Irish in there too!
Tommy- Southwest English/Scottish (probably Ayrshire)

andykiss78 · Post by **andykiss78** » Fri May 14, 2021 6:23 pm

Paul is Jewish, not Italian. Father from Poland and mother from Germany
Bruce, again not Italian but Jewish.
Eric S, German background, not Jewish

FlamingRuth · Post by **FlamingRuth** » Fri May 14, 2021 6:34 pm

While it's certainly possible to be both Italian and Jewish (trust me

),
I've never heard of Paul having an Italian background.

Perhaps you're just hungry for some lasagna soup?

Goodwilltowardsall · Post by **Goodwilltowardsall** » Fri May 14, 2021 7:02 pm

FiveCardStud wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 5:23 pm Paul - Italian German
Gene - Israel
Ace - Cherokee and German
Peter - Italian Irish
Eric c - American Italian
Vv - Italian
Mark - I don’t know I heard German or maybe that was just a certain comment in peters book
Bruce - Italian Jewish ?
Eric S - Jewish German (yep)
Tommy- all American man

FUCK HITLER

I hope KiSS make FUCK HITlER into an anthemic song

Eddie Van Hazel · Post by **Eddie Van Hazel** » Fri May 14, 2021 7:17 pm

I think their label mates The Village People might have them edged out (on the most multi cultured group).

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Fri May 14, 2021 7:22 pm

Wikipedia's not a great resource for actual facts on ... anything. But its someplace to start, especially if you don't really give a shit. But Wikipedia is under the impression that Eric Singer is, in fact, Jewish. It states that ...

Singer was born Eric Doyle Mensinger in Cleveland, Ohio. He grew up in Euclid, Ohio. His father, Johnny Mensinger, was of Jewish German descent and was a local big band leader who played around the area as well as on cruise ships from the States to Europe and back.

So ... the entire Revenge lineup was Jewish.

So Cruel · Post by **So Cruel** » Fri May 14, 2021 8:50 pm

How does a Kiss fan not know Paul is Jewish?

andykiss78 · Post by **andykiss78** » Fri May 14, 2021 9:37 pm

Bruce wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:22 pm Wikipedia's not a great resource for actual facts on ... anything. But its someplace to start, especially if you don't really give a shit. But Wikipedia is under the impression that Eric Singer is, in fact, Jewish. It states that ...

Singer was born Eric Doyle Mensinger in Cleveland, Ohio. He grew up in Euclid, Ohio. His father, Johnny Mensinger, was of Jewish German descent and was a local big band leader who played around the area as well as on cruise ships from the States to Europe and back.

So ... the entire Revenge lineup was Jewish.

He is not Jewish.

gothunder · Post by **gothunder** » Fri May 14, 2021 9:53 pm

jannep17 · Post by **jannep17** » Fri May 14, 2021 10:05 pm

A bunch of white guys the most multicultural band in history?
Perhaps no, but their backgrounds are a good illustration of how America was built, by immigrants.

spacecat2500 · Post by **spacecat2500** » Fri May 14, 2021 10:51 pm

: Rage Against The Machine

gothunder · Post by **gothunder** » Fri May 14, 2021 10:54 pm

spacecat2500 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:51 pm 50F8EDFD-6330-4033-8E68-0AD6CFF4FCF3.jpeg

Beside the point, a fav indeed!

Tito · Post by **Tito** » Fri May 14, 2021 10:57 pm

So is the suggestion here that these sorts of backgrounds are somehow unusual amongst American bands?

DaveinSpain · Post by **DaveinSpain** » Fri May 14, 2021 11:33 pm

Well when you've had 26 members its bound to happen. For a group of white dudes I'd say The Ramones may give them a run for most Jewish & Catholic members in a band from NYC.

Anomaly · Post by **Anomaly** » Fri May 14, 2021 11:37 pm

8 out of 10 you listed as either German or Italian. So, no?

Revenge 92 · Post by **Revenge 92** » Fri May 14, 2021 11:42 pm

Black Ace from the Phantom not mentioned yet?

Funny detail that we had 3 short drummers, who all gave up a part of their last name, Criscoula, Carravelo and Mensinger.

gene therapist · Post by **gene therapist** » Sat May 15, 2021 12:16 am

andykiss78 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:23 pm Paul is Jewish, not Italian. Father from Poland and mother from Germany
Bruce, again not Italian but Jewish.
Eric S, German background, not Jewish

Lots of assumptions by the OP then! But from now on, I want to believe Paul is Italian. He looks like it anyway. Like Fox Mulder, I WANT TO BELIEVE.

Mackemkiss · Post by **Mackemkiss** » Sat May 15, 2021 2:29 am

Depends on your definition of "multi"
If you think it means "three" then yes.

Spiritual_Chaos · Post by **Spiritual_Chaos** » Sat May 15, 2021 2:36 am

FiveCardStud wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 5:23 pm Paul - Italian German
Gene - Israel
Ace - Cherokee and German
Peter - Italian Irish
Eric c - American Italian
Vv - Italian
Mark - I don’t know I heard German or maybe that was just a certain comment in peters book
Bruce - Italian Jewish ?
Eric S - Jewish German (yep)
Tommy- all American man

FUCK HITLER

Is this a joke post...

Post by **whitesnake7575** » Sat May 15, 2021 2:50 am

That guy is the most clueless person on the board, I’ve been laughing my ass off at most of his posts. He’s either a ten year old kid or a total moron.

kwf484 · Post by **kwf484** » Sat May 15, 2021 2:58 am

This thread sucks, please delete

Potato Salad · Post by **Potato Salad** » Sat May 15, 2021 3:20 am

FiveCardStud wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 5:23 pm Mark - I don’t know I heard German or maybe that was just a certain comment in peters book

Edgy.

Glasgow Kiss · Post by **Glasgow Kiss** » Sat May 15, 2021 3:23 am

I imagine if you picked the first four guys you met in a bar in NYC to make up a band, chances are it would be a similar composition of ethnicities. Kiss aren't diverse - they're just a random sample of New Yorkers.

When it comes down to it we're all mongrels to an extent, which is why it's foolish to hang on to your race or ethnic origin in an exceptionalist way...even the WASPiest Anglo-Saxon is a mongrel dating back to when the Angles from Denmark started getting down and dirty with the Saxons from Germany.

FiveCardStud · Post by **FiveCardStud** » Sat May 15, 2021 3:36 am

Yes it was a bit tongue in cheek

FiveCardStud · Post by **FiveCardStud** » Sat May 15, 2021 3:37 am

jannep17 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:05 pm A bunch of white guys the most multicultural band in history?
Perhaps no, but their backgrounds are a good illustration of how America was built, by immigrants.

Multi cultural is not multi racial

FiveCardStud · Post by **FiveCardStud** » Sat May 15, 2021 3:47 am

I think some people here are a little slow

You can be Italian and Jewish by the way they aren’t mutually exclusive

FiveCardStud · Post by **FiveCardStud** » Sat May 15, 2021 3:48 am

whitesnake7575 wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:50 am That guy is the most clueless person on the board, I’ve been laughing my ass off at most of his posts. He’s either a ten year old kid or a total moron.

I don’t know you at all , yet you know me fanboy

Little embarrassing for you , your keeping tabs on someone clueless (who doesn’t know you)

Lover of “whitesnake”

Glasgow Kiss · Post by **Glasgow Kiss** » Sat May 15, 2021 4:15 am

When you look at their actual ethnicities, they provide a snapshot of the melting pot that America is:

Paul - German/Polish
Gene - Hungarian/Israeli
Ace - German/Dutch/Native American
Peter - Italian...the surname originates in Sardinia
Eric C - Italian...the surname originates in Sicily
Vinnie - Italian...the surname originates around Modena
Mark - Unsure, but the surname Norton would indicate English
Bruce - Russian
Eric S - German...the surname originates in Lower Saxony - his middle name of Doyle would suggest there's some Irish in there too!
Tommy- Southwest English/Scottish (probably Ayrshire)

andykiss78 · Post by **andykiss78** » Sat May 15, 2021 4:16 am

FiveCardStud wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:47 am I think some people here are a little slow

You can be Italian and Jewish by the way they aren’t mutually exclusive

We know that professor.

But Paul is not Italian whatsoever and neither is Bruce.

Where did you come up with this crap???

jannep17 · Post by **jannep17** » Sat May 15, 2021 4:20 am

FiveCardStud wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:37 am
jannep17 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:05 pm A bunch of white guys the most multicultural band in history?
Perhaps no, but their backgrounds are a good illustration of how America was built, by immigrants.
Multi cultural is not multi racial

I know, but still, they all have very similar cultures. Judeo-Christian backgrounds. If you had thrown in a Hindu and a Buddhist, I would have agreed.

andykiss78 · Post by **andykiss78** » Sat May 15, 2021 4:21 am

Glasgow Kiss wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 4:15 am When you look at their actual ethnicities, they provide a snapshot of the melting pot that America is:

Paul - German/Polish
Gene - Hungarian/Israeli
Ace - German/Dutch/Native American
Peter - Italian...the surname originates in Sardinia
Eric C - Italian...the surname originates in Sicily
Vinnie - Italian...the surname originates around Modena
Mark - Unsure, but the surname Norton would indicate English
Bruce - Russian
Eric S - German...the surname originates in Lower Saxony - his middle name of Doyle would suggest there's some Irish in there too!
Tommy- Southwest English/Scottish (probably Ayrshire)

Good summary...although I'd add Peter is half Irish (mother) and half Italian. But good stuff! Something the OP needs to look at. But I think they are just shit stirring.

FiveCardStud · Post by **FiveCardStud** » Sat May 15, 2021 4:26 am

andykiss78 wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 4:21 am
Glasgow Kiss wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 4:15 am When you look at their actual ethnicities, they provide a snapshot of the melting pot that America is:

Paul - German/Polish
Gene - Hungarian/Israeli
Ace - German/Dutch/Native American
Peter - Italian...the surname originates in Sardinia
Eric C - Italian...the surname originates in Sicily
Vinnie - Italian...the surname originates around Modena
Mark - Unsure, but the surname Norton would indicate English
Bruce - Russian
Eric S - German...the surname originates in Lower Saxony - his middle name of Doyle would suggest there's some Irish in there too!
Tommy- Southwest English/Scottish (probably Ayrshire)

Good summary...although I'd add Peter is half Irish (mother) and half Italian. But good stuff! Something the OP needs to look at. But I think they are just shit stirring.

GlasgowKiss is one of the most outstanding members of the board, everytime I see him post he offers clarity and great insight.

41Mets · Post by **41Mets** » Sat May 15, 2021 6:22 am

Glasgow Kiss wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:23 am Kiss aren't diverse - they're just a random sample of New Yorkers.

That would be true in past decades, but New York is now way more multi cultural than what the guys in Kiss would represent. Especially in Queens, where Gene and Paul grew up. It's one of the most multicultural areas in the entire country.

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Sat May 15, 2021 6:26 am

andykiss78 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 9:37 pm He is not Jewish.

Very well ...

KrazySwede · Post by **KrazySwede** » Sat May 15, 2021 6:29 am

.....not that it really matters anyway.....

andykiss78 · Post by **andykiss78** » Sat May 15, 2021 6:38 am

Bruce wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 6:26 am
andykiss78 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 9:37 pm He is not Jewish.
Very well ...

When Eric was the drummer for Brian May, he came and played in Adelaide, Australia. This was during the Reunion era. We were all outside the venue just chatting to Eric and someone asked what it was like being in KISS. He said...."I think I was the first German to be in a Jewish concentration camp".

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Sat May 15, 2021 6:44 am

Never let your employers know you lack job satisfaction -- how could Eric forget The Golden Rule? Lie, dammit -- say only that working for your Betters is ...your very paradise! That's how you do it ...

Under The Rose · Post by **Under The Rose** » Sat May 15, 2021 7:05 am

4 white Americans. Incredibly multicultural.

highvoltage1969 · Post by **highvoltage1969** » Sat May 15, 2021 7:06 am

FiveCardStud wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 5:23 pm Definitive list from the powerful and attractive GlasgowKISS

Paul - German/Polish
Gene - Hungarian/Israeli
Ace - German/Dutch/Native American
Peter - Italian...the surname originates in Sardinia
Eric C - Italian...the surname originates in Sicily
Vinnie - Italian...the surname originates around Modena
Mark - Unsure, but the surname Norton would indicate English
Bruce - Russian
Eric S - German...the surname originates in Lower Saxony - his middle name of Doyle would suggest there's some Irish in there too!
Tommy- Southwest English/Scottish (probably Ayrshire)

Hardly, they're all white Americans with the exception of Gene who was born in Israel.

If you want to trace the genetic heritage of any band you'll likely find exactly the same if not a far broader cultural/ethnic/racial lineage.

highvoltage1969 · Post by **highvoltage1969** » Sat May 15, 2021 7:08 am

andykiss78 wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 4:16 am
FiveCardStud wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:47 am I think some people here are a little slow

You can be Italian and Jewish by the way they aren’t mutually exclusive
We know that professor.

But Paul is not Italian whatsoever and neither is Bruce.

Where did you come up with this crap???

Well, how do you account for his lasagna soup then?

FiveCardStud · Post by **FiveCardStud** » Sat May 15, 2021 7:20 am

highvoltage1969 wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 7:06 am
FiveCardStud wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 5:23 pm Definitive list from the powerful and attractive GlasgowKISS

Paul - German/Polish
Gene - Hungarian/Israeli
Ace - German/Dutch/Native American
Peter - Italian...the surname originates in Sardinia
Eric C - Italian...the surname originates in Sicily
Vinnie - Italian...the surname originates around Modena
Mark - Unsure, but the surname Norton would indicate English
Bruce - Russian
Eric S - German...the surname originates in Lower Saxony - his middle name of Doyle would suggest there's some Irish in there too!
Tommy- Southwest English/Scottish (probably Ayrshire)
Hardly, they're all white Americans with the exception of Gene who was born in Israel.

If you want to trace the genetic heritage of any band you'll likely find exactly the same if not a far broader cultural/ethnic/racial lineage.

I should of been clearer, as GK pointed out this was more about the output of the mass immigration to New York and how this came out from that.