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Funny, some people ignore what was said and shoehorn whatever they’d like into a conversation.

Childish if you’d ask me.
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So you had no point? Again??
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Crown Royal wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:03 pm So you had no point? Again??
Dude, you are the resident leg-humper of the FAQ.
Might want to lay off the sauce. Give us all, and your liver a rest. Or not.
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BlackDiamond67 wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:14 pm
Crown Royal wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:03 pm So you had no point? Again??
Dude, you are the resident leg-humper of the FAQ.
Might want to lay off the sauce. Give us all, and your liver a rest. Or not.
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nibbler1982 wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:02 pm Funny, some people ignore what was said and shoehorn whatever they’d like into a conversation.

Childish if you’d ask me.
From another thread....

The amount of money dynamic pricing is producing vs other tours is phenomenal. And the band is hitting the 96% mark of their goal of 100% sellout.

Funny again the usual suspects here losing what limited grey matter they actually possess over a few $10 tickets. While the band makes millions more per show than ANY other tour. By almost a factor of 2.

$143,700,000 for AWT, 193 shows or $729,441 gross per show. or $52 average ticket price. 14,000 average attendance.
vs
$60,481,957 for EOTR, 46 shows reported or $1,314,825 gps. or $110.78 per ticket average. 11,869 average attendance

Adjusting for inflation $$$$1997 $1,166,064.84 per show gross.... vs..... 2019 $1,314,825 per show gross
Adjusting for inflation $$$$1997 $83.13 per ticket avg...............vs......2019 $110.78 per ticket avg.

So the band is pulling in 2,131 less bottoms per show....
By charging an extra $27.65 per ticket.....
And earning an extra $148,760.16 per show....
And meeting 96% of their Pre tour estimates / objectives ...

THATS Dynamic Pricing.

WOW .... WHAT A FLOP 😂
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nibbler1982 wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:02 pm Funny, some people ignore what was said and shoehorn whatever they’d like into a conversation.

Childish if you’d ask me.
Is a $10 EOTR ticket that shoehorn?

I remember talk of Ace and low ticket price and EOTR Fredo's had a field day.
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Pssst.....it's already been repeated, by more than one person, that the average ticket prices of today have more than doubled the standard inflation rate since 1996. It was actually already doubled by 2016, before dynamic pricing took off, so who knows what that number is today. As much as it's been pointed out, I expect the usual 2 or 3 people to continue gleefully ignoring that fact...
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Crown Royal wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:03 pm So you had no point? Again??
The point he was making, which was evident from what he wrote, was that he was surprised at the low number and wondered if Glenn's absence had hurt them in that market.
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daveyd wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:46 am
Crown Royal wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:03 pm So you had no point? Again??
The point he was making, which was evident from what he wrote, was that he was surprised at the low number and wondered if Glenn's absence had hurt them in that market.
See, this is the problem here in a nutshell.

I wrote EXACTLY what the post was about. It was clearly evident in my comments.

Unfortunately I have people so smitten with me the have to attach themselves just to be close. It doesn’t matter if the argument makes sense or not. It’s incredibly creepy.

Here it is again.

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Hallenstadion
Zurich, Switzerland
July 4, 2019
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KISS
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Zurich, Switzerland
June 10, 2015)
$823,234
7,793

Eagles
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Zurich, Switzerland
June 5, 2019
$1,052,190
7,486

Being that I have my finger on the pulse of the live music industry I’m constantly scouring the Billboard Boxscores. It was great to see how well KISS did in Zurich. Actually doubling their last trip here in 2015.

On this week’s Current Boxscore the Eagles stats came up for their show at Hallenstadion. Anyone with a keen eye can see it was an anomaly. This new version of the band sans Glenn Frey does EXTREMELY well. I loved their show at the Garden and Vince Gill is a BEAST (I’ve been told he’s the only member not using backing tracks but I digress). Anyhow, anyone with a keen eye would see the Zurich figures were an evident outlier.

When the Eagles were last here in 2014 they played two shows. In 2019 it was only one and the stats were poor, for them that is. The only difference this time is no Glenn Frey. I was wondering perhaps he solo was abnormally big in this region and that might have made the difference.

Whilst my original post wasn’t quite as in depth, anyone with a first grade reading level can see I said the exact same thing. Just less words.

Doesn’t matter to the stalkers though. They’ll trumpet their ignorance (real or feigned) just to get a touch.

Odd.
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Serious question, and I've asked before, so apologies if already answered: are these gate numbers being reported with or without the service fees attached to the "face value"? Considering it's a 20-25% differential, it's something worth knowing and getting on the same page on IMO, since some people cite the prices with fees and others don't.
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Vandelay Industries wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:59 am Serious question, and I've asked before, so apologies if already answered: are these gate numbers being reported with or without the service fees attached to the "face value"? Considering it's a 20-25% differential, it's something worth knowing and getting on the same page on IMO, since some people cite the prices with fees and others don't.
No service fees.
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Much Too Soon wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:34 pm Watching nibs run over the KissFaq flat Earth society members.
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Much Too Soon wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:34 pm Watching nibs run over the KissFaq flat Earth society members.
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9/5/2019 - Verizon Arena, North Little Rock, AR
Reported audience: 12,028 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $768,520
Avg. price-per-ticket: $63.89
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12,028 / $768,520 for lowest of the dogs on the tour.

Doomed.
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Admin wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:15 pm
Avg. price-per-ticket: $63.89
I paid this amount for 4 beers in Brooklyn 😩
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metaldad wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:39 pm
Admin wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:15 pm
Avg. price-per-ticket: $63.89
I paid this amount for 4 beers in Brooklyn 😩
Where?

You got a steal!
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Admin wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:15 pm 9/5/2019 - Verizon Arena, North Little Rock, AR
Reported audience: 12,028 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $768,520
Avg. price-per-ticket: $63.89

What were they doing... GIVING AWAY or SELLING tickets on the inside for $5 or less just so they could "CLAIM" it was sold out??!

That's why these numbers are getting MORE MEANINGLESS...... something really fishing is going on to boost TERRIBLE crowds.

It's like the difference at football games.... ANNOUNCED ATTENDANCE vs TURNSTILE....
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nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:40 pm
metaldad wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:39 pm
Admin wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:15 pm
Avg. price-per-ticket: $63.89
I paid this amount for 4 beers in Brooklyn 😩
Where?

You got a steal!
Ha
The Barclays Center raised their prices from 3 weeks earlier at Iron Maiden
Bastards
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TheSphinx wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:42 pm
Admin wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:15 pm 9/5/2019 - Verizon Arena, North Little Rock, AR
Reported audience: 12,028 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $768,520
Avg. price-per-ticket: $63.89

What were they doing... GIVING AWAY or SELLING tickets on the inside for $5 or less just so they could "CLAIM" it was sold out??!

That's why these numbers are getting MORE MEANINGLESS...... something really fishing is going on to boost TERRIBLE crowds.

It's like the difference at football games.... ANNOUNCED ATTENDANCE vs TURNSTILE....
You make somewhat of a point Brother Sphinxie.

As I’ve said a million times before, attendance can be manipulated.

Gate cannot.

That’s why success in the music industry is determined by gate receipts.

But since you mentioned attendance...

I believe North Little Rock’s boxscore just raised EOTR’s average. :D
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metaldad wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:43 pm
nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:40 pm
metaldad wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:39 pm
Admin wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:15 pm
Avg. price-per-ticket: $63.89
I paid this amount for 4 beers in Brooklyn 😩
Where?

You got a steal!
Ha
The Barclays Center raised their prices from 3 weeks earlier at Iron Maiden
Bastards
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I swear to Jesus before the show I paid $10 a piece for an 8oz glass of Peroni at a little brick oven pizza joint three blocks away.

Had about five or six too. :D
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nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:50 pm
metaldad wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:43 pm
nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:40 pm
metaldad wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:39 pm
Admin wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:15 pm
Avg. price-per-ticket: $63.89
I paid this amount for 4 beers in Brooklyn 😩
Where?

You got a steal!
Ha
The Barclays Center raised their prices from 3 weeks earlier at Iron Maiden
Bastards
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I swear to Jesus before the show I paid $10 a piece for an 8oz glass of Peroni at a little brick oven pizza joint three blocks away.

Had about five or six too. :D
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nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:47 pm
TheSphinx wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:42 pm
Admin wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:15 pm 9/5/2019 - Verizon Arena, North Little Rock, AR
Reported audience: 12,028 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $768,520
Avg. price-per-ticket: $63.89

What were they doing... GIVING AWAY or SELLING tickets on the inside for $5 or less just so they could "CLAIM" it was sold out??!

That's why these numbers are getting MORE MEANINGLESS...... something really fishing is going on to boost TERRIBLE crowds.

It's like the difference at football games.... ANNOUNCED ATTENDANCE vs TURNSTILE....
You make somewhat of a point Brother Sphinxie.

As I’ve said a million times before, attendance can be manipulated.

Gate cannot.

That’s why success in the music industry is determined by gate receipts.

But since you mentioned attendance...

I believe North Little Rock’s boxscore just raised EOTR’s average. :D

Is $63 by far the lowest avg ticket on EOTR?
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nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:47 pm I believe North Little Rock’s boxscore just raised EOTR’s average. :D
Reported audience: 639,883 / 663,414 (96.45%)
Reported gross: $69,397,126
Avg. Price-per-ticket: $108.45
Avg. Audience: 12,064
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TheSphinx wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:53 pm Is $63 by far the lowest avg ticket on EOTR?
So far...
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I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the average per ticket falls at least 20% from the first leg of the tour, but the average attendance will stay the same or grow slightly...
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Admin wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:54 pm
TheSphinx wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:53 pm Is $63 by far the lowest avg ticket on EOTR?
So far...
Thanks
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Admin wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:53 pm
nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:47 pm I believe North Little Rock’s boxscore just raised EOTR’s average. :D
Reported audience: 639,883 / 663,414 (96.45%)
Reported gross: $69,397,126
Avg. Price-per-ticket: $108.45
Avg. Audience: 12,064
A thousand pardons.

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I was looking at the pre Ziggo numbers.
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acefan1975 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:56 pm I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the average per ticket falls at least 20% from the first leg of the tour, but the average attendance will stay the same or grow slightly...
I like your gate estimate, I don’t feel strong about your attendance though.

I mean if this comes in at the 12,000 status quo...
E5EAF050-898F-478D-A715-D0C276F58CCD.jpeg
What happens when they add in the supposed ~24,000 Noblesvilles and 20,000 Hersheys?
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Regardless of the gate totals, and people can think what they want of them, I am betting that P and G would be more than happy with 12K people and 750K gates for the rest of the tour. So would the promoters I would think.
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nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:00 pm
acefan1975 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:56 pm I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the average per ticket falls at least 20% from the first leg of the tour, but the average attendance will stay the same or grow slightly...
I like your gate estimate, I don’t feel strong about your attendance though.

I mean if this comes in at the 12,000 status quo...E5EAF050-898F-478D-A715-D0C276F58CCD.jpeg

What happens when they add in the supposed ~24,000 Noblesvilles and 20,000 Hersheys?
Fair, but there could still be a dog or two left...I would not be shocked if they average 13K or so this leg, maybe more.
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acefan1975 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:02 pm
nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:00 pm
acefan1975 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:56 pm I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the average per ticket falls at least 20% from the first leg of the tour, but the average attendance will stay the same or grow slightly...
I like your gate estimate, I don’t feel strong about your attendance though.

I mean if this comes in at the 12,000 status quo...E5EAF050-898F-478D-A715-D0C276F58CCD.jpeg

What happens when they add in the supposed ~24,000 Noblesvilles and 20,000 Hersheys?
Fair, but there could still be a dog or two left...I would not be shocked if they average 13K or so this leg, maybe more.
You saw the threads I posted before this leg.

The three dogs I saw were Brooklyn, North Little Rock, and Oakland.
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Barclays Center
Brooklyn, NY
Aug. 20, 2019
$1,035,019
11,566 **SOLD-OUT
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Verizon Arena
North Little Rock, AR
Sep. 5, 2019
$768,520
12,028 **SOLD-OUT

Those two are already in and they barely scratched the attendance. Sure a soft one or two could still remain. Although with the majority of the large European and strong recent NA dates to come? I see a tremendous upside.
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nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:14 pm
acefan1975 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:02 pm
nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:00 pm
acefan1975 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:56 pm I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the average per ticket falls at least 20% from the first leg of the tour, but the average attendance will stay the same or grow slightly...
I like your gate estimate, I don’t feel strong about your attendance though.

I mean if this comes in at the 12,000 status quo...E5EAF050-898F-478D-A715-D0C276F58CCD.jpeg

What happens when they add in the supposed ~24,000 Noblesvilles and 20,000 Hersheys?
Fair, but there could still be a dog or two left...I would not be shocked if they average 13K or so this leg, maybe more.
You saw the threads I posted before this leg.

The three dogs I saw were Brooklyn, North Little Rock, and Oakland.

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Barclays Center
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$1,035,019
11,566 **SOLD-OUT
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Verizon Arena
North Little Rock, AR
Sep. 5, 2019
$768,520
12,028 **SOLD-OUT

Those two are already in and they barely scratched the attendance. Sure a soft one or two could still remain. Although with the majority of the large European and strong recent NA dates to come? I see a tremendous upside.


And Brooklyn was a DOG.

Brooklyn had one of the lowest avg tickets (before Little Rock) $89
Spokane $87.58
Omaha $86.54
Little Rock $63

You can bet some SHENANIGANS went on there to make it "appear" sold out or close to it. NY shows should be the highest avg ticket price of all.
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Anyway, are the numbera for Newark already in?
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LoveGuns wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:56 pm Anyway, are the numbera for Newark already in?
Not yet.
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nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:58 pm
LoveGuns wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:56 pm Anyway, are the numbera for Newark already in?
Not yet.
Was wondering if I missed it. Looked really packed. Thanks
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LoveGuns wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:32 pm
nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:58 pm
LoveGuns wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:56 pm Anyway, are the numbera for Newark already in?
Not yet.
Was wondering if I missed it. Looked really packed. Thanks
I have to agree, I saw it with my own eyes.

To be honest Brother Love...they’ve ALL been packed!
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North Little Rock, AR
Sep. 5, 2019
$768,520
12,028 **SOLD-OUT



I'm sure the per-ticket-average is a bit disconcerting for Gene and Paul. Compared to the $113/ticket average they had on the first leg in the U.S., this low ticket average leaves a potential $500,000 on the table each night.

They did such amazing publicity and PR to kick off the tour. 2019 will go down as probably the most successful year in KISS' career, financially. But they need to really step up their marketing and PR again for 2020 or the numbers may continue to dwindle.
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Admin wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:15 pm 9/5/2019 - Verizon Arena, North Little Rock, AR
Reported audience: 12,028 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $768,520
Avg. price-per-ticket: $63.89
If all of the available tickets were purchased or given away for the Little Rock show, then some people didn't show up. We were at the top of 221 and most of our row and most of the six rows in front of us were empty. Most of the seats in the arena had people in them, yes, but there were close to 100 empty seats by us. I did see smaller pockets of empty seats in other areas, but not too many.

It was a fun show and I had a blast. Attendance-wise I wouldn't call it a sellout, but a nice, big, loud crowd who had fun. I'm glad it was a good crowd, because ticket sales initially were scary-slow for Little Rock. It was probably my second favorite Kiss show behind Alive 35 in the same venue back in Oct. 2009. 😎
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nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:14 pm
acefan1975 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:02 pm
nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:00 pm
acefan1975 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:56 pm I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the average per ticket falls at least 20% from the first leg of the tour, but the average attendance will stay the same or grow slightly...
I like your gate estimate, I don’t feel strong about your attendance though.

I mean if this comes in at the 12,000 status quo...E5EAF050-898F-478D-A715-D0C276F58CCD.jpeg

What happens when they add in the supposed ~24,000 Noblesvilles and 20,000 Hersheys?
Fair, but there could still be a dog or two left...I would not be shocked if they average 13K or so this leg, maybe more.
You saw the threads I posted before this leg.

The three dogs I saw were Brooklyn, North Little Rock, and Oakland.

52FD0CD7-8B63-41A3-A5DD-9EBABB72F308.jpeg
KISS
Barclays Center
Brooklyn, NY
Aug. 20, 2019
$1,035,019
11,566 **SOLD-OUT
ACBB6ED7-580D-4379-AF6B-FF5A3DAE227B.jpeg
KISS
Verizon Arena
North Little Rock, AR
Sep. 5, 2019
$768,520
12,028 **SOLD-OUT

Those two are already in and they barely scratched the attendance. Sure a soft one or two could still remain. Although with the majority of the large European and strong recent NA dates to come? I see a tremendous upside.
Those weren’t legitimate sellouts - I don’t care how you spin it
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Doose wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:50 pm KISS
Verizon Arena
North Little Rock, AR
Sep. 5, 2019
$768,520
12,028 **SOLD-OUT



I'm sure the per-ticket-average is a bit disconcerting for Gene and Paul. Compared to the $113/ticket average they had on the first leg in the U.S., this low ticket average leaves a potential $500,000 on the table each night.

They did such amazing publicity and PR to kick off the tour. 2019 will go down as probably the most successful year in KISS' career, financially. But they need to really step up their marketing and PR again for 2020 or the numbers may continue to dwindle.
I don’t believe they’re giving much thought to the average ticket price. The gate on the other hand is a different story.

For this leg if it averages ~$750,000 I’d believe they were expecting more. When it’s all said and done I’m gonna guarantee it will be more. Not to mention if that’s what the dogs the low end are bringing in? Paul and Gene are probably counting they’re good fortune.

I do believe they’d be happy with a 10,000 / $750,000 average for the supposed next go ‘round in North America.
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Regardless if they are legit sellouts or announced sellouts, if the money is there the tour will just keep going. I would bet this tour has another 100 dates left in it before the returns don’t pay the bills and then some...
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Nellcote71 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:56 pm
nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:14 pm
acefan1975 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:02 pm
nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:00 pm
acefan1975 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:56 pm I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the average per ticket falls at least 20% from the first leg of the tour, but the average attendance will stay the same or grow slightly...
I like your gate estimate, I don’t feel strong about your attendance though.

I mean if this comes in at the 12,000 status quo...E5EAF050-898F-478D-A715-D0C276F58CCD.jpeg

What happens when they add in the supposed ~24,000 Noblesvilles and 20,000 Hersheys?
Fair, but there could still be a dog or two left...I would not be shocked if they average 13K or so this leg, maybe more.
You saw the threads I posted before this leg.

The three dogs I saw were Brooklyn, North Little Rock, and Oakland.

52FD0CD7-8B63-41A3-A5DD-9EBABB72F308.jpeg
KISS
Barclays Center
Brooklyn, NY
Aug. 20, 2019
$1,035,019
11,566 **SOLD-OUT
ACBB6ED7-580D-4379-AF6B-FF5A3DAE227B.jpeg
KISS
Verizon Arena
North Little Rock, AR
Sep. 5, 2019
$768,520
12,028 **SOLD-OUT

Those two are already in and they barely scratched the attendance. Sure a soft one or two could still remain. Although with the majority of the large European and strong recent NA dates to come? I see a tremendous upside.
Those weren’t legitimate sellouts - I don’t care how you spin it
“Hey everyone...the all knowing Nell says those shows aren’t legitimate sellouts!!!”

When did you get to determine what’s a legitimate sellout and what isn’t?

Secondly, in all your infinite wisdom at what attendances would you consider those dates a legitimate sell out?
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TheSphinx wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:26 pm
nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:14 pm
acefan1975 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:02 pm
nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:00 pm
acefan1975 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:56 pm I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the average per ticket falls at least 20% from the first leg of the tour, but the average attendance will stay the same or grow slightly...
I like your gate estimate, I don’t feel strong about your attendance though.

I mean if this comes in at the 12,000 status quo...E5EAF050-898F-478D-A715-D0C276F58CCD.jpeg

What happens when they add in the supposed ~24,000 Noblesvilles and 20,000 Hersheys?
Fair, but there could still be a dog or two left...I would not be shocked if they average 13K or so this leg, maybe more.
You saw the threads I posted before this leg.

The three dogs I saw were Brooklyn, North Little Rock, and Oakland.

52FD0CD7-8B63-41A3-A5DD-9EBABB72F308.jpeg
KISS
Barclays Center
Brooklyn, NY
Aug. 20, 2019
$1,035,019
11,566 **SOLD-OUT
ACBB6ED7-580D-4379-AF6B-FF5A3DAE227B.jpeg
KISS
Verizon Arena
North Little Rock, AR
Sep. 5, 2019
$768,520
12,028 **SOLD-OUT

Those two are already in and they barely scratched the attendance. Sure a soft one or two could still remain. Although with the majority of the large European and strong recent NA dates to come? I see a tremendous upside.


And Brooklyn was a DOG.

Brooklyn had one of the lowest avg tickets (before Little Rock) $89
Spokane $87.58
Omaha $86.54
Little Rock $63

You can bet some SHENANIGANS went on there to make it "appear" sold out or close to it. NY shows should be the highest avg ticket price of all.
Brooklyn was a dog?????

It was the fourth show within a half hour radius.

It it drew ~12,000/$1,000,000.

If that equates to “a dog” on Planet Sphinxie so be it.
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Summers a tough time. Lots to compete with. Still the money rolls.
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nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:06 pm
TheSphinx wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:26 pm
nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:14 pm
acefan1975 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:02 pm
nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:00 pm
acefan1975 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:56 pm I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the average per ticket falls at least 20% from the first leg of the tour, but the average attendance will stay the same or grow slightly...
I like your gate estimate, I don’t feel strong about your attendance though.

I mean if this comes in at the 12,000 status quo...E5EAF050-898F-478D-A715-D0C276F58CCD.jpeg

What happens when they add in the supposed ~24,000 Noblesvilles and 20,000 Hersheys?
Fair, but there could still be a dog or two left...I would not be shocked if they average 13K or so this leg, maybe more.
You saw the threads I posted before this leg.

The three dogs I saw were Brooklyn, North Little Rock, and Oakland.

52FD0CD7-8B63-41A3-A5DD-9EBABB72F308.jpeg
KISS
Barclays Center
Brooklyn, NY
Aug. 20, 2019
$1,035,019
11,566 **SOLD-OUT
ACBB6ED7-580D-4379-AF6B-FF5A3DAE227B.jpeg
KISS
Verizon Arena
North Little Rock, AR
Sep. 5, 2019
$768,520
12,028 **SOLD-OUT

Those two are already in and they barely scratched the attendance. Sure a soft one or two could still remain. Although with the majority of the large European and strong recent NA dates to come? I see a tremendous upside.


And Brooklyn was a DOG.

Brooklyn had one of the lowest avg tickets (before Little Rock) $89
Spokane $87.58
Omaha $86.54
Little Rock $63

You can bet some SHENANIGANS went on there to make it "appear" sold out or close to it. NY shows should be the highest avg ticket price of all.
Brooklyn was a dog?????

It was the fourth show within a half hour radius.

It it drew ~12,000/$1,000,000.

If that equates to “a dog” on Planet Sphinxie so be it.
Barclays Center
Brooklyn, NY
Aug. 20, 2019
$1,035,019
11,566 **SOLD-OUT

KISS - Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
Reported audience: 13,359 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,730,755

It would be nice if you remind everyone Barclays drew $700,000 less money then MSG.
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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

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PterCriss wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:04 pm
nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:06 pm
TheSphinx wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:26 pm
nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:14 pm
acefan1975 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:02 pm
nibbler1982 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:00 pm
acefan1975 wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:56 pm I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the average per ticket falls at least 20% from the first leg of the tour, but the average attendance will stay the same or grow slightly...
I like your gate estimate, I don’t feel strong about your attendance though.

I mean if this comes in at the 12,000 status quo...E5EAF050-898F-478D-A715-D0C276F58CCD.jpeg

What happens when they add in the supposed ~24,000 Noblesvilles and 20,000 Hersheys?
Fair, but there could still be a dog or two left...I would not be shocked if they average 13K or so this leg, maybe more.
You saw the threads I posted before this leg.

The three dogs I saw were Brooklyn, North Little Rock, and Oakland.

52FD0CD7-8B63-41A3-A5DD-9EBABB72F308.jpeg
KISS
Barclays Center
Brooklyn, NY
Aug. 20, 2019
$1,035,019
11,566 **SOLD-OUT
ACBB6ED7-580D-4379-AF6B-FF5A3DAE227B.jpeg
KISS
Verizon Arena
North Little Rock, AR
Sep. 5, 2019
$768,520
12,028 **SOLD-OUT

Those two are already in and they barely scratched the attendance. Sure a soft one or two could still remain. Although with the majority of the large European and strong recent NA dates to come? I see a tremendous upside.


And Brooklyn was a DOG.

Brooklyn had one of the lowest avg tickets (before Little Rock) $89
Spokane $87.58
Omaha $86.54
Little Rock $63

You can bet some SHENANIGANS went on there to make it "appear" sold out or close to it. NY shows should be the highest avg ticket price of all.
Brooklyn was a dog?????

It was the fourth show within a half hour radius.

It it drew ~12,000/$1,000,000.

If that equates to “a dog” on Planet Sphinxie so be it.
Barclays Center
Brooklyn, NY
Aug. 20, 2019
$1,035,019
11,566 **SOLD-OUT

KISS - Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
Reported audience: 13,359 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,730,755

It would be nice if you remind everyone Barclays drew $700,000 less money then MSG.
Now you’re showing the difference between the FIRST show within a half hour radius and the FOURTH.

It’s called the law of diminishing returns.

Fail again Petey.

Hard fail.
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Only in Kiss world could making over a million dollars per night be regarded as a "dog".

I get that some people want to rip on the band, but holy crap, using the gate receipts for EOTR is a losing battle :lol:

"They only made a million dollars last night? What a bunch of losers Kiss are."
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