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[So Cruel]

Are those Springsteen prices for his Broadway show? If so, that's not a regular/true concert or concert venue. Broadway shoes regularly charge $200-400 a ticket.

Thing is, many of those shows actually are, well... "Broadway shows."

Springsteen on Broadway, on the other hand, was nothing more than the Boss and his wife fleecing his rabid, brain-dead legion of fans, under the guise of musical theatre.

Also, nothing against Patti, but her singing ? Ughhh...

That’s what I’m saying. This is the perfect example of The Boss absolutely gutting his most loyal fans. He told the promoters, “Shit...with only a thousand seats in the venue I’m not gonna do this for any less than a $XXX,XXX guarantee.” The only way that was possible was setting tix in a $75-$850 spectrum.

Bruce sure is swell.

You’re comparing apples to oranges. A Broadway show in a theatre that holds 500 seats is a little different then playing in 15,000 - 80,000 on a concert tour. It didn’t really matter what Bruce charged for those tickets. The Broadway shows sold out months in advance with the resale tickets going for well into the thousands. He could have been charging triple what he did.

[rscott71]

Are those Springsteen prices for his Broadway show? If so, that's not a regular/true concert or concert venue. Broadway shoes regularly charge $200-400 a ticket.

Thing is, many of those shows actually are, well... "Broadway shows."

Springsteen on Broadway, on the other hand, was nothing more than the Boss and his wife fleecing his rabid, brain-dead legion of fans, under the guise of musical theatre.

Also, nothing against Patti, but her singing ? Ughhh...

That’s what I’m saying. This is the perfect example of The Boss absolutely gutting his most loyal fans. He told the promoters, “Shit...with only a thousand seats in the venue I’m not gonna do this for any less than a $XXX,XXX guarantee.” The only way that was possible was setting tix in a $75-$850 spectrum.

Bruce sure is swell.

You’re comparing apples to oranges. A Broadway show in a theatre that holds 500 seats is a little different then playing in 15,000 - 80,000 on a concert tour. It didn’t really matter what Bruce charged for those tickets. The Broadway shows sold out months in advance with the resale tickets going for well into the thousands. He could have been charging triple what he did.

Didn't you just make nibblers point for him?

[nibbler1982]

Are those Springsteen prices for his Broadway show? If so, that's not a regular/true concert or concert venue. Broadway shoes regularly charge $200-400 a ticket.

Thing is, many of those shows actually are, well... "Broadway shows."

Springsteen on Broadway, on the other hand, was nothing more than the Boss and his wife fleecing his rabid, brain-dead legion of fans, under the guise of musical theatre.

Also, nothing against Patti, but her singing ? Ughhh...

That’s what I’m saying. This is the perfect example of The Boss absolutely gutting his most loyal fans. He told the promoters, “Shit...with only a thousand seats in the venue I’m not gonna do this for any less than a $XXX,XXX guarantee.” The only way that was possible was setting tix in a $75-$850 spectrum.

Bruce sure is swell.

You’re comparing apples to oranges. A Broadway show in a theatre that holds 500 seats is a little different then playing in 15,000 - 80,000 on a concert tour. It didn’t really matter what Bruce charged for those tickets. The Broadway shows sold out months in advance with the resale tickets going for well into the thousands. He could have been charging triple what he did.

You’re talking about the altruism of the man and how he makes sure to keep prices down.

The data shows that’s not true.

[nibbler1982]

The point wasn't about Phish, the point was about different types of fanbases. Nonetheless, sorry that the mere mention of another band's name got you triggered enough to make a snarky comment. Consider my previous post to be the last word about it, unless it gets continued at the music board.

This is my FAVORITE part about Vandy.

He’s ALL OPINION, doesn’t back back ONE thing he says with any factual information or data.

I then proceed to cut him out at the knees nine ways ‘till Sunday with facts, figures, data, and hell...even photos and diagrams.

After repeatedly painting himself into a corner he exits with...

“Well this is my last post on this matter.”

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN...I present to you the emperor’s new clothes!

[So Cruel]

Are those Springsteen prices for his Broadway show? If so, that's not a regular/true concert or concert venue. Broadway shoes regularly charge $200-400 a ticket.

Thing is, many of those shows actually are, well... "Broadway shows."

Springsteen on Broadway, on the other hand, was nothing more than the Boss and his wife fleecing his rabid, brain-dead legion of fans, under the guise of musical theatre.

Also, nothing against Patti, but her singing ? Ughhh...

That’s what I’m saying. This is the perfect example of The Boss absolutely gutting his most loyal fans. He told the promoters, “Shit...with only a thousand seats in the venue I’m not gonna do this for any less than a $XXX,XXX guarantee.” The only way that was possible was setting tix in a $75-$850 spectrum.

Bruce sure is swell.

You’re comparing apples to oranges. A Broadway show in a theatre that holds 500 seats is a little different then playing in 15,000 - 80,000 on a concert tour. It didn’t really matter what Bruce charged for those tickets. The Broadway shows sold out months in advance with the resale tickets going for well into the thousands. He could have been charging triple what he did.

You’re talking about the altruism of the man and how he makes sure to keep prices down.

The data shows that’s not true.

But you're comparing the data of a Broadway Show to data from concerts. It's not comparable data. It's apples and oranges. If you want to use comparable data use his concert ticket prices. Bruce's peers are big acts like the Stones, the Eagles, U2, and McCartney. I would bet he comes in well under what the others charge for their concerts.

[Vandelay Industries]

The point wasn't about Phish, the point was about different types of fanbases. Nonetheless, sorry that the mere mention of another band's name got you triggered enough to make a snarky comment. Consider my previous post to be the last word about it, unless it gets continued at the music board.

This is my FAVORITE part about Vandy.

He’s ALL OPINION, doesn’t back back ONE thing he says with any factual information or data.

I then proceed to cut him out at the knees nine ways ‘till Sunday with facts, figures, data, and hell...even photos and diagrams.

After repeatedly painting himself into a corner he exits with...

“Well this is my last post on this matter.”

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN...I present to you the emperor’s new clothes!

I said I wouldn't sidetrack by talking about another band. So just this once, let's just say I'm gonna spitball a scenario which may or may not have happened, based on dozens of accounts from people who may or may not have been there, lol:

If all of the tickets for an event are sold, yet there's a noticeable amount of empty seats when the curtain drops, who do you think are holding those tickets? And once the show starts, and then & only then people start filling up the venue because they paid pennies on the dollar outside for tickets, does that sound like a situation where the sellers are "winning"?

Don't confuse my apathy to go tit for tat with you as anything but you being a low priority nuisance to me. You post statistics spanning generations without factoring in variables, you cite articles with quotes that are obvious PR-speak and preach it as gospel truth, you've ignored valid comments by several posters when they fly in the face of your logic, and you expect me to give the baby his bottle? GTFO

[nibbler1982]

The point wasn't about Phish, the point was about different types of fanbases. Nonetheless, sorry that the mere mention of another band's name got you triggered enough to make a snarky comment. Consider my previous post to be the last word about it, unless it gets continued at the music board.

This is my FAVORITE part about Vandy.

He’s ALL OPINION, doesn’t back back ONE thing he says with any factual information or data.

I then proceed to cut him out at the knees nine ways ‘till Sunday with facts, figures, data, and hell...even photos and diagrams.

After repeatedly painting himself into a corner he exits with...

“Well this is my last post on this matter.”

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN...I present to you the emperor’s new clothes!

I said I wouldn't sidetrack by talking about another band. So just this once, let's just say I'm gonna spitball a scenario which may or may not have happened, based on dozens of accounts from people who may or may not have been there, lol:

If all of the tickets for an event are sold, yet there's a noticeable amount of empty seats when the curtain drops, who do you think are holding those tickets? And once the show starts, and then & only then people start filling up the venue because they paid pennies on the dollar outside for tickets, does that sound like a situation where the sellers are "winning"?

Don't confuse my apathy to go tit for tat with you as anything but you being a low priority nuisance to me. You post statistics spanning generations without factoring in variables, you cite articles with quotes that are obvious PR-speak and preach it as gospel truth, you've ignored valid comments by several posters when they fly in the face of your logic, and you expect me to give the baby his bottle? GTFO

Per usual...a whole lot of nothing.

Anecdotal stories of tickets going for pennies on the dollar. That’s all you have?

Not one iota of fact, data, or figures.

How I long for the days of good ol’ Sphinxie.

He was certainly out there but his ducks were always in a row.

He showed pride in every exchange.

You’re perfectly content to do what you do.

Shame.

[nibbler1982]

Are those Springsteen prices for his Broadway show? If so, that's not a regular/true concert or concert venue. Broadway shoes regularly charge $200-400 a ticket.

Thing is, many of those shows actually are, well... "Broadway shows."

Springsteen on Broadway, on the other hand, was nothing more than the Boss and his wife fleecing his rabid, brain-dead legion of fans, under the guise of musical theatre.

Also, nothing against Patti, but her singing ? Ughhh...

That’s what I’m saying. This is the perfect example of The Boss absolutely gutting his most loyal fans. He told the promoters, “Shit...with only a thousand seats in the venue I’m not gonna do this for any less than a $XXX,XXX guarantee.” The only way that was possible was setting tix in a $75-$850 spectrum.

Bruce sure is swell.

You’re comparing apples to oranges. A Broadway show in a theatre that holds 500 seats is a little different then playing in 15,000 - 80,000 on a concert tour. It didn’t really matter what Bruce charged for those tickets. The Broadway shows sold out months in advance with the resale tickets going for well into the thousands. He could have been charging triple what he did.

You’re talking about the altruism of the man and how he makes sure to keep prices down.

The data shows that’s not true.

But you're comparing the data of a Broadway Show to data from concerts. It's not comparable data. It's apples and oranges. If you want to use comparable data use his concert ticket prices. Bruce's peers are big acts like the Stones, the Eagles, U2, and McCartney. I would bet he comes in well under what the others charge for their concerts.

I’m showing that Bruce is perfectly content to gouge his fiercest fans for a concert.

I’m sure the production at the theater is a mere fraction of what hit is at one of his regular shows. The only difference is the amount of people showing up. Well, just gut everyone here and I’ll make up the difference.

Swell I tell ya!

[So Cruel]

Are those Springsteen prices for his Broadway show? If so, that's not a regular/true concert or concert venue. Broadway shoes regularly charge $200-400 a ticket.

Thing is, many of those shows actually are, well... "Broadway shows."

Springsteen on Broadway, on the other hand, was nothing more than the Boss and his wife fleecing his rabid, brain-dead legion of fans, under the guise of musical theatre.

Also, nothing against Patti, but her singing ? Ughhh...

That’s what I’m saying. This is the perfect example of The Boss absolutely gutting his most loyal fans. He told the promoters, “Shit...with only a thousand seats in the venue I’m not gonna do this for any less than a $XXX,XXX guarantee.” The only way that was possible was setting tix in a $75-$850 spectrum.

Bruce sure is swell.

You’re comparing apples to oranges. A Broadway show in a theatre that holds 500 seats is a little different then playing in 15,000 - 80,000 on a concert tour. It didn’t really matter what Bruce charged for those tickets. The Broadway shows sold out months in advance with the resale tickets going for well into the thousands. He could have been charging triple what he did.

You’re talking about the altruism of the man and how he makes sure to keep prices down.

The data shows that’s not true.

But you're comparing the data of a Broadway Show to data from concerts. It's not comparable data. It's apples and oranges. If you want to use comparable data use his concert ticket prices. Bruce's peers are big acts like the Stones, the Eagles, U2, and McCartney. I would bet he comes in well under what the others charge for their concerts.

I’m showing that Bruce is perfectly content to gouge his fiercest fans for a concert.

I’m sure the production at the theater is a mere fraction of what hit is at one of his regular shows. The only difference is the amount of people showing up. Well, just gut everyone here and I’ll make up the difference.

Swell I tell ya!

Once again, a Broadway show is not a concert. Compare concerts to concerts, not Broadway to concerts

[nibbler1982]

Are those Springsteen prices for his Broadway show? If so, that's not a regular/true concert or concert venue. Broadway shoes regularly charge $200-400 a ticket.

Thing is, many of those shows actually are, well... "Broadway shows."

Springsteen on Broadway, on the other hand, was nothing more than the Boss and his wife fleecing his rabid, brain-dead legion of fans, under the guise of musical theatre.

Also, nothing against Patti, but her singing ? Ughhh...

That’s what I’m saying. This is the perfect example of The Boss absolutely gutting his most loyal fans. He told the promoters, “Shit...with only a thousand seats in the venue I’m not gonna do this for any less than a $XXX,XXX guarantee.” The only way that was possible was setting tix in a $75-$850 spectrum.

Bruce sure is swell.

You’re comparing apples to oranges. A Broadway show in a theatre that holds 500 seats is a little different then playing in 15,000 - 80,000 on a concert tour. It didn’t really matter what Bruce charged for those tickets. The Broadway shows sold out months in advance with the resale tickets going for well into the thousands. He could have been charging triple what he did.

You’re talking about the altruism of the man and how he makes sure to keep prices down.

The data shows that’s not true.

But you're comparing the data of a Broadway Show to data from concerts. It's not comparable data. It's apples and oranges. If you want to use comparable data use his concert ticket prices. Bruce's peers are big acts like the Stones, the Eagles, U2, and McCartney. I would bet he comes in well under what the others charge for their concerts.

I’m showing that Bruce is perfectly content to gouge his fiercest fans for a concert.

I’m sure the production at the theater is a mere fraction of what hit is at one of his regular shows. The only difference is the amount of people showing up. Well, just gut everyone here and I’ll make up the difference.

Swell I tell ya!

Once again, a Broadway show is not a concert. Compare concerts to concerts, not Broadway to concerts

Fine, have it your way.

Top 10 grossing Broadway shows 2018 ranked by highest average ticket price.

Springsteen On Broadway $508.53
Hammilton $291.06
Dear Evan Hansen $204.74
The Lion King $162.80
Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, Parts One and Two $160.98
Mean Girls $149.81
Frozen $140.17
Book of Mormon $136.21
Wicked $122.98
Aladdin $106.87

Top 10 grossing tours 2016 (last year Bruce toured) ranked by highest average ticket price.

Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band $125.29
Beyoncé $123.63
Guns N’ Roses $115.55
Drake $112.08
Adele $111.58
Justin Bieber $99.62
Coldplay $96.32
Kenny Chesney $76.32
Garth Brooks $69.29
Luke Bryan $59.00

Or click here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B761DvpHuBw

[So Cruel]

Are those Springsteen prices for his Broadway show? If so, that's not a regular/true concert or concert venue. Broadway shoes regularly charge $200-400 a ticket.

Thing is, many of those shows actually are, well... "Broadway shows."

Springsteen on Broadway, on the other hand, was nothing more than the Boss and his wife fleecing his rabid, brain-dead legion of fans, under the guise of musical theatre.

Also, nothing against Patti, but her singing ? Ughhh...

That’s what I’m saying. This is the perfect example of The Boss absolutely gutting his most loyal fans. He told the promoters, “Shit...with only a thousand seats in the venue I’m not gonna do this for any less than a $XXX,XXX guarantee.” The only way that was possible was setting tix in a $75-$850 spectrum.

Bruce sure is swell.

You’re comparing apples to oranges. A Broadway show in a theatre that holds 500 seats is a little different then playing in 15,000 - 80,000 on a concert tour. It didn’t really matter what Bruce charged for those tickets. The Broadway shows sold out months in advance with the resale tickets going for well into the thousands. He could have been charging triple what he did.

You’re talking about the altruism of the man and how he makes sure to keep prices down.

The data shows that’s not true.

But you're comparing the data of a Broadway Show to data from concerts. It's not comparable data. It's apples and oranges. If you want to use comparable data use his concert ticket prices. Bruce's peers are big acts like the Stones, the Eagles, U2, and McCartney. I would bet he comes in well under what the others charge for their concerts.

I’m showing that Bruce is perfectly content to gouge his fiercest fans for a concert.

I’m sure the production at the theater is a mere fraction of what hit is at one of his regular shows. The only difference is the amount of people showing up. Well, just gut everyone here and I’ll make up the difference.

Swell I tell ya!

Once again, a Broadway show is not a concert. Compare concerts to concerts, not Broadway to concerts

Fine, have it your way.

Top 10 grossing Broadway shows 2018 ranked by highest average ticket price.

Springsteen On Broadway $508.53
Hammilton $291.06
Dear Evan Hansen $204.74
The Lion King $162.80
Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, Parts One and Two $160.98
Mean Girls $149.81
Frozen $140.17
Book of Mormon $136.21
Wicked $122.98
Aladdin $106.87

Top 10 grossing tours 2016 (last year Bruce toured) ranked by highest average ticket price.

Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band $125.29
Beyoncé $123.63
Guns N’ Roses $115.55
Drake $112.08
Adele $111.58
Justin Bieber $99.62
Coldplay $96.32
Kenny Chesney $76.32
Garth Brooks $69.29
Luke Bryan $59.00

Or click here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B761DvpHuBw

And when you compare him to his contemporaries he comes in below

2017

The Rolling Stones $158
Paul McCartney $146

2018

The Eagles $172
U2 $136

[Much Too Soon]

Springsteen was initially brought into the conversation to supposedly show how a big fish can still take care of the little guy.

“That’s not fair Nibbler. There are notable artists who have tried hard to keep prices reasonable for their fans and not gone for every last buck. I’ve seen Springsteen numerous times and while his prices have risen, he’s never charged top $ even though could.”

It’s obvious from nibs research Bruce is simply accepting what the market will pay for his shows. Just like KISS.

[So Cruel]

Springsteen was initially brought into the conversation to supposedly show how a big fish can still take care of the little guy.

“That’s not fair Nibbler. There are notable artists who have tried hard to keep prices reasonable for their fans and not gone for every last buck. I’ve seen Springsteen numerous times and while his prices have risen, he’s never charged top $ even though could.”

It’s obvious from nibs research Bruce is simply accepting what the market will pay for his shows. Just like KISS.

Sorry, but amongst his peers (biggest rock acts) he charges below. From the last tours these acts did.

Bruce: $125
The Rolling Stones $158
Paul McCartney $146
The Eagles $172
U2 $136

[nibbler1982]

Springsteen was initially brought into the conversation to supposedly show how a big fish can still take care of the little guy.

“That’s not fair Nibbler. There are notable artists who have tried hard to keep prices reasonable for their fans and not gone for every last buck. I’ve seen Springsteen numerous times and while his prices have risen, he’s never charged top $ even though could.”

It’s obvious from nibs research Bruce is simply accepting what the market will pay for his shows. Just like KISS.

That’s what the data says. In a comparative analysis I took the top ten grossing tours that year, whether concert or Broadway play and listed them in order of highest ticket prices. Bruce came in first on each list.

All So Cruel did was search for four bigger artists and post their stats. The bigger the draw, the higher the price. A pecking order if you will, market value like you said. Nothing more. Nothing to prove Bruce is “looking out for the common man.”

What I have found over my research is that when it comes to benevolence, magnanimity, and social conscience...Garth Brooks does fit that description. This man will hold a tour, sell out FOUR MILLION tickets, and charge $69.50 for every seat in the house!
Yes, every seat in the house...first row to last row. Go Garth!

It appears he’s done this his whole career too. Even when KISS took the top tour in 1996 with $43.6M, Garth came in second place with $34.5M...although he sold 700,000 MORE TICKETS.

That Garth sure is swell.

I actually do mean it this time.

[Much Too Soon]

Bruce has been floating on that “common man” bullshit his whole career. All of his tickets are fetching what ever the market will allow. He is NOT throttling back the price ... but taking in the highest amount of money per ticket the market dictates.

No different than KISS. Just that KISS is honest about it.

[So Cruel]

Well Mr. Nibbler, it looks like we won't agree on this matter. That's ok.

One thing I'll say about the Boss's draw and "pecking order" is that U2, the Stones, McCartney, the Eagles, and any other artist would never be able to touch these numbers Bruce was able to pull in the major cities on the East Coast. These are the types of numbers that a concert industry follower like yourself should appreciate.

On the 99/00 tour they played 25 sold arena shows in the NY City area (10 MSG, 15 Brendon Byrne Arena), 6 Philly arena shows, and 5 Boston arena shows.

Not to be outdone, look at the numbers on the following tour in 2002/2003

Philly - 1 arena, 3 Stadium (Lincoln Field)
Boston - 1 arena, 2 Stadium (Gillette S.), 2 Baseball Stadium (Fenway Park)
New York - 1 arena, 10 Stadium (Giants S.) , 3 Baseball Stadium (Shea)

13 Stadium shows in NY on 1 tour! That is unreal. No one touches the Boss on the east coast.

[So Cruel]

Bruce has been floating on that “common man” bullshit his whole career. All of his tickets are fetching what ever the market will allow. He is NOT throttling back the price ... but taking in the highest amount of money per ticket the market dictates.

No different than KISS. Just that KISS is honest about it.

At least he sings live....

[Much Too Soon]

Bruce has been floating on that “common man” bullshit his whole career. All of his tickets are fetching what ever the market will allow. He is NOT throttling back the price ... but taking in the highest amount of money per ticket the market dictates.

No different than KISS. Just that KISS is honest about it.

At least he sings live....

Yes he does. I’m a huge Bruce fan. I own 30 nugs releases as well.

[star_paul12]

Yall gonna need a Dramamine from all that dancing in circles you’re doin wow

[Much Too Soon]

I’m a fan of his music. The ancillary stuff .... Dave Marsh licking his boots.... I can do without.

[metaldad]

Well Mr. Nibbler, it looks like we won't agree on this matter. That's ok.

One thing I'll say about the Boss's draw and "pecking order" is that U2, the Stones, McCartney, the Eagles, and any other artist would never be able to touch these numbers Bruce was able to pull in the major cities on the East Coast. These are the types of numbers that a concert industry follower like yourself should appreciate.

On the 99/00 tour they played 25 sold arena shows in the NY City area (10 MSG, 15 Brendon Byrne Arena), 6 Philly arena shows, and 5 Boston arena shows.

Not to be outdone, look at the numbers on the following tour in 2002/2003

Philly - 1 arena, 3 Stadium (Lincoln Field)
Boston - 1 arena, 2 Stadium (Gillette S.), 2 Baseball Stadium (Fenway Park)
New York - 1 arena, 10 Stadium (Giants S.) , 3 Baseball Stadium (Shea)

13 Stadium shows in NY on 1 tour! That is unreal. No one touches the Boss on the east coast.

All the bands you just mentioned could indeed sell what Bruce does
You could add Billy Joel to that list as well

[So Cruel]

Well Mr. Nibbler, it looks like we won't agree on this matter. That's ok.

One thing I'll say about the Boss's draw and "pecking order" is that U2, the Stones, McCartney, the Eagles, and any other artist would never be able to touch these numbers Bruce was able to pull in the major cities on the East Coast. These are the types of numbers that a concert industry follower like yourself should appreciate.

On the 99/00 tour they played 25 sold arena shows in the NY City area (10 MSG, 15 Brendon Byrne Arena), 6 Philly arena shows, and 5 Boston arena shows.

Not to be outdone, look at the numbers on the following tour in 2002/2003

Philly - 1 arena, 3 Stadium (Lincoln Field)
Boston - 1 arena, 2 Stadium (Gillette S.), 2 Baseball Stadium (Fenway Park)
New York - 1 arena, 10 Stadium (Giants S.) , 3 Baseball Stadium (Shea)

13 Stadium shows in NY on 1 tour! That is unreal. No one touches the Boss on the east coast.

All the bands you just mentioned could indeed sell what Bruce does
You could add Billy Joel to that list as well

My post was specific to the big northeast cities. None of them could do 13 Stadium shows in 1 year in New York like Bruce did.

[metaldad]

Well Mr. Nibbler, it looks like we won't agree on this matter. That's ok.

One thing I'll say about the Boss's draw and "pecking order" is that U2, the Stones, McCartney, the Eagles, and any other artist would never be able to touch these numbers Bruce was able to pull in the major cities on the East Coast. These are the types of numbers that a concert industry follower like yourself should appreciate.

On the 99/00 tour they played 25 sold arena shows in the NY City area (10 MSG, 15 Brendon Byrne Arena), 6 Philly arena shows, and 5 Boston arena shows.

Not to be outdone, look at the numbers on the following tour in 2002/2003

Philly - 1 arena, 3 Stadium (Lincoln Field)
Boston - 1 arena, 2 Stadium (Gillette S.), 2 Baseball Stadium (Fenway Park)
New York - 1 arena, 10 Stadium (Giants S.) , 3 Baseball Stadium (Shea)

13 Stadium shows in NY on 1 tour! That is unreal. No one touches the Boss on the east coast.

All the bands you just mentioned could indeed sell what Bruce does
You could add Billy Joel to that list as well

My post was specific to the big northeast cities. None of them could do 13 Stadium shows in 1 year in New York like Bruce did.

Sure they could
And Billy Joel sells out MSG every month for the last 3 years
That in itself is a monstrous thing
Those tickets are gone faster than you can blink
I’m not taking anything away from Bruce because he packs them in as well
He is just not the only artist to do things like that
That is all I’m trying to say

[nibbler1982]

Well Mr. Nibbler, it looks like we won't agree on this matter. That's ok.

One thing I'll say about the Boss's draw and "pecking order" is that U2, the Stones, McCartney, the Eagles, and any other artist would never be able to touch these numbers Bruce was able to pull in the major cities on the East Coast. These are the types of numbers that a concert industry follower like yourself should appreciate.

On the 99/00 tour they played 25 sold arena shows in the NY City area (10 MSG, 15 Brendon Byrne Arena), 6 Philly arena shows, and 5 Boston arena shows.

Not to be outdone, look at the numbers on the following tour in 2002/2003

Philly - 1 arena, 3 Stadium (Lincoln Field)
Boston - 1 arena, 2 Stadium (Gillette S.), 2 Baseball Stadium (Fenway Park)
New York - 1 arena, 10 Stadium (Giants S.) , 3 Baseball Stadium (Shea)

13 Stadium shows in NY on 1 tour! That is unreal. No one touches the Boss on the east coast.

All the bands you just mentioned could indeed sell what Bruce does
You could add Billy Joel to that list as well

My post was specific to the big northeast cities. None of them could do 13 Stadium shows in 1 year in New York like Bruce did.

Sure they could
And Billy Joel sells out MSG every month for the last 3 years
That in itself is a monstrous thing
Those tickets are gone faster than you can blink
I’m not taking anything away from Bruce because he packs them in as well
He is just not the only artist to do things like that
That is all I’m trying to say

Billy’s been doing it for 6 years. Seventy one show and counting I do believe.

[metaldad]

Well Mr. Nibbler, it looks like we won't agree on this matter. That's ok.

One thing I'll say about the Boss's draw and "pecking order" is that U2, the Stones, McCartney, the Eagles, and any other artist would never be able to touch these numbers Bruce was able to pull in the major cities on the East Coast. These are the types of numbers that a concert industry follower like yourself should appreciate.

On the 99/00 tour they played 25 sold arena shows in the NY City area (10 MSG, 15 Brendon Byrne Arena), 6 Philly arena shows, and 5 Boston arena shows.

Not to be outdone, look at the numbers on the following tour in 2002/2003

Philly - 1 arena, 3 Stadium (Lincoln Field)
Boston - 1 arena, 2 Stadium (Gillette S.), 2 Baseball Stadium (Fenway Park)
New York - 1 arena, 10 Stadium (Giants S.) , 3 Baseball Stadium (Shea)

13 Stadium shows in NY on 1 tour! That is unreal. No one touches the Boss on the east coast.

All the bands you just mentioned could indeed sell what Bruce does
You could add Billy Joel to that list as well

My post was specific to the big northeast cities. None of them could do 13 Stadium shows in 1 year in New York like Bruce did.

Sure they could
And Billy Joel sells out MSG every month for the last 3 years
That in itself is a monstrous thing
Those tickets are gone faster than you can blink
I’m not taking anything away from Bruce because he packs them in as well
He is just not the only artist to do things like that
That is all I’m trying to say

Billy’s been doing it for 6 years. Seventy one show and counting I do believe.

Yes time flies
I have been Lucky enough to see some of these shows

[Doose]

I wonder if any other band has fans that study and argue about ticket prices, the average attendance at shows, the percentage of tickets sold at each show, etc. like KISS fans do.

[star_paul12]

I wonder if any other band has fans that study and argue about ticket prices, the average attendance at shows, the percentage of tickets sold at each show, etc. like KISS fans do.

Probably not, and for two primary reasons:

1) kiss’ main two frontmen have notoriously made money a primary part of their (and their subsequent band’s) primary identity. Kiss is often referred to as a brand, rather than band, after all. Capitalism, marketing, sales, business ventures, and finances are deeply woven into not only kiss but in their fandom culture as well. That is really, to my knowledge, unlike any other musical artist, rock and roll or otherwise. Their unapologetic allegiance to the mighty dollar is just as much of kiss as the opening chords of DRC or LG. Therefore it’s only inevitable that it’s a part of the fan culture as well.

2) no other band so routinely and shamelessly parades itself as the “big boys,” “hardest working band,” “hottest band in the world,” etc etc, all while putting other artists down to do so. What that means is that, in essence, the fellas make a lot of bold claims that are, for most people, very easily and logically debunked by both their detractors and their fans that don’t buy their bs. “So you’re the biggest band in the world? You have more gold records than any other band? That’s cute. You haven’t been able to fill an arena on your own in years unless you pull some sort of gimmick card (ie farewell tour).” Kiss fans (well, some of them) are notoriously loyal to a fault. They’ve/we’ve spent much of our life having to defend them against their critics which is, to be honest, most people. So just as it’s in kiss fans’ dna to talk about money and sales because it’s the mantra of the band’s leaders, so too is it because defending them is so integral to what it means to be a kiss fan. Again, at least for some. Some (many) of us gave up on defending them long ago because we learned that really, there’s nothing there worth defending any longer.

[PterCriss]

Firstly, apologies if I played a part in the detailing of the other thread. My #wewon comment seemed to ruffle a few feathers.

Secondly, thanks for always going above and beyond to gather these stats. You never miss a beat.

Thirdly, from the numbers so far I think the average is about 12,000 per show with a 90% sold rate. Gotta be happy with that!

How does the EOTR tour compare to the Reunion numbers?

I would actually think the EOTR with Ace and Peter would pull in Guns N Roses reunion numbers.

[PterCriss]

I wonder if any other band has fans that study and argue about ticket prices, the average attendance at shows, the percentage of tickets sold at each show, etc. like KISS fans do.

No that many bands are devoid like Kiss fans with an active top 15 band in the world and two original members not on the last tour ever thingy.

Kiss is like Star Wars and the Dallas Cowboys. They've been around forever, timeless, new vs old and we have enough of the good old days look and magic to keep coming back.

Kiss is the tough love mom that you want a little love from. Lol.

[nibbler1982]

Firstly, apologies if I played a part in the detailing of the other thread. My #wewon comment seemed to ruffle a few feathers.

Secondly, thanks for always going above and beyond to gather these stats. You never miss a beat.

Thirdly, from the numbers so far I think the average is about 12,000 per show with a 90% sold rate. Gotta be happy with that!

How does the EOTR tour compare to the Reunion numbers?

I would actually think the EOTR with Ace and Peter would pull in Guns N Roses reunion numbers.

I’m holding off on a comparative analysis with other tours until more data comes in. The short of it is EOTR is an unparalleled success. Even Billboard has said this tour has outperformed all other KISS tours.

As for EOTR with Ace & Peter?

I believe it would do better than what we’ve already seen so far. How much better? Who knows. A Reunion/Farewell has to be worth more than a Farewell alone .

GnR reunion numbers???

They didn’t do those numbers in ‘96 so what makes you believe they would’ve done it now?

[PterCriss]

Firstly, apologies if I played a part in the detailing of the other thread. My #wewon comment seemed to ruffle a few feathers.

Secondly, thanks for always going above and beyond to gather these stats. You never miss a beat.

Thirdly, from the numbers so far I think the average is about 12,000 per show with a 90% sold rate. Gotta be happy with that!

How does the EOTR tour compare to the Reunion numbers?

I would actually think the EOTR with Ace and Peter would pull in Guns N Roses reunion numbers.

I’m holding off on a comparative analysis with other tours until more data comes in. The short of it is EOTR is an unparalleled success. Even Billboard has said this tour has outperformed all other KISS tours.

As for EOTR with Ace & Peter?

I believe it would do better than what we’ve already seen so far. How much better? Who knows. A Reunion/Farewell has to be worth more than a Farewell alone .

GnR reunion numbers???

They didn’t do those numbers in ‘96 so what makes you believe they would’ve done it now?

Kiss didn't do those numbers in 96 but the could have if they booked bigger venues. Kiss / Doc has said they didn't know what the tour would do and it took off. Meaning at the time they booked the tour they hand no ideas how people would responded.

You also have to remember Van Halen was playing HOB and Cure's tour was failing in 1996-98.

Venues are bigger now in a lot of markets if you want to play 20,000 arena.

- Memphis
- Vegas
- Atlanta
- Miami
- L.A.

All cities above have bigger venues to play if you can fill them.

You know as Kiss fans if Gene and Paul wanted to hype Ace and Peter for the Final Kiss Tour of ALL-Time that the response would be much bigger then the current tour.

[Doose]

Firstly, apologies if I played a part in the detailing of the other thread. My #wewon comment seemed to ruffle a few feathers.

Secondly, thanks for always going above and beyond to gather these stats. You never miss a beat.

Thirdly, from the numbers so far I think the average is about 12,000 per show with a 90% sold rate. Gotta be happy with that!

How does the EOTR tour compare to the Reunion numbers?

I would actually think the EOTR with Ace and Peter would pull in Guns N Roses reunion numbers.

KISS has never done Guns N Roses number unfortunately. Guns N Roses has grossed $292 million in 2017 from 81 shows, and $82 million from 24 shows in 2018. That means Guns N Roses, which plays stadiums, is averaging about $3.5 million gross per show. Never in KISS' entire career did they do attendance or sales figures like that.

KISS reunited with Ace and Peter in 1996 and had the hottest tour of the year, but it was nowhere near Guns' number. And the Farewell Tour had several dates where they were only filling up 60 to 70% of the arena.

None of this takes away from the spectacular success of the EOTR tour so far. KISS does numbers comparable to The Who. But bands like Guns N Roses, Bon Jovi and Iron Maiden are in a much higher stratosphere than KISS when it comes to touring success.

[metaldad]

Firstly, apologies if I played a part in the detailing of the other thread. My #wewon comment seemed to ruffle a few feathers.

Secondly, thanks for always going above and beyond to gather these stats. You never miss a beat.

Thirdly, from the numbers so far I think the average is about 12,000 per show with a 90% sold rate. Gotta be happy with that!

How does the EOTR tour compare to the Reunion numbers?

I would actually think the EOTR with Ace and Peter would pull in Guns N Roses reunion numbers.

I’m holding off on a comparative analysis with other tours until more data comes in. The short of it is EOTR is an unparalleled success. Even Billboard has said this tour has outperformed all other KISS tours.

As for EOTR with Ace & Peter?

I believe it would do better than what we’ve already seen so far. How much better? Who knows. A Reunion/Farewell has to be worth more than a Farewell alone .

GnR reunion numbers???

They didn’t do those numbers in ‘96 so what makes you believe they would’ve done it now?

Kiss didn't do those numbers in 96 but the could have if they booked bigger venues. Kiss / Doc has said they didn't know what the tour would do and it took off. Meaning at the time they booked the tour they hand no ideas how people would responded.

You also have to remember Van Halen was playing HOB and Cure's tour was failing in 1996-98.

Venues are bigger now in a lot of markets if you want to play 20,000 arena.

- Memphis
- Vegas
- Atlanta
- Miami
- L.A.

All cities above have bigger venues to play if you can fill them.

You know as Kiss fans if Gene and Paul wanted to hype Ace and Peter for the Final Kiss Tour of ALL-Time that the response would be much bigger then the current tour.

Van Halen was playing the House of Blues in 96 ?
I don’t they toured in 96 and in 95 it was in Arenas
Outside Of a Charity gig , I don’t know where you came up with this

[nibbler1982]

Firstly, apologies if I played a part in the detailing of the other thread. My #wewon comment seemed to ruffle a few feathers.

Secondly, thanks for always going above and beyond to gather these stats. You never miss a beat.

Thirdly, from the numbers so far I think the average is about 12,000 per show with a 90% sold rate. Gotta be happy with that!

How does the EOTR tour compare to the Reunion numbers?

I would actually think the EOTR with Ace and Peter would pull in Guns N Roses reunion numbers.

I’m holding off on a comparative analysis with other tours until more data comes in. The short of it is EOTR is an unparalleled success. Even Billboard has said this tour has outperformed all other KISS tours.

As for EOTR with Ace & Peter?

I believe it would do better than what we’ve already seen so far. How much better? Who knows. A Reunion/Farewell has to be worth more than a Farewell alone .

GnR reunion numbers???

They didn’t do those numbers in ‘96 so what makes you believe they would’ve done it now?

Kiss didn't do those numbers in 96 but the could have if they booked bigger venues. Kiss / Doc has said they didn't know what the tour would do and it took off. Meaning at the time they booked the tour they hand no ideas how people would responded.

You also have to remember Van Halen was playing HOB and Cure's tour was failing in 1996-98.

Venues are bigger now in a lot of markets if you want to play 20,000 arena.

- Memphis
- Vegas
- Atlanta
- Miami
- L.A.

All cities above have bigger venues to play if you can fill them.

You know as Kiss fans if Gene and Paul wanted to hype Ace and Peter for the Final Kiss Tour of ALL-Time that the response would be much bigger then the current tour.

I like your enthusiasm.

I also fully believe EOTR with Ace & Peter would do better than current numbers.

I believe the data says it wouldn’t do much better. In a hypothetical scenario like that who knows?

I also believe the GnR scenario is far fetched.

All good either way.

Keep swingin’ Brother Pete.

[thunderwing]

Makes perfect sense Nibbler. Didn't much like you when I joined but have 100% respect for you now. Over the months. It's not rocket science... You can't deny the facts and figures...

[PterCriss]

Firstly, apologies if I played a part in the detailing of the other thread. My #wewon comment seemed to ruffle a few feathers.

Secondly, thanks for always going above and beyond to gather these stats. You never miss a beat.

Thirdly, from the numbers so far I think the average is about 12,000 per show with a 90% sold rate. Gotta be happy with that!

How does the EOTR tour compare to the Reunion numbers?

I would actually think the EOTR with Ace and Peter would pull in Guns N Roses reunion numbers.

I’m holding off on a comparative analysis with other tours until more data comes in. The short of it is EOTR is an unparalleled success. Even Billboard has said this tour has outperformed all other KISS tours.

As for EOTR with Ace & Peter?

I believe it would do better than what we’ve already seen so far. How much better? Who knows. A Reunion/Farewell has to be worth more than a Farewell alone .

GnR reunion numbers???

They didn’t do those numbers in ‘96 so what makes you believe they would’ve done it now?

Kiss didn't do those numbers in 96 but the could have if they booked bigger venues. Kiss / Doc has said they didn't know what the tour would do and it took off. Meaning at the time they booked the tour they hand no ideas how people would responded.

You also have to remember Van Halen was playing HOB and Cure's tour was failing in 1996-98.

Venues are bigger now in a lot of markets if you want to play 20,000 arena.

- Memphis
- Vegas
- Atlanta
- Miami
- L.A.

All cities above have bigger venues to play if you can fill them.

You know as Kiss fans if Gene and Paul wanted to hype Ace and Peter for the Final Kiss Tour of ALL-Time that the response would be much bigger then the current tour.

Van Halen was playing the House of Blues in 96 ?
I don’t they toured in 96 and in 95 it was in Arenas
Outside Of a Charity gig , I don’t know where you came up with this

Van Halen - HOB - Orlando Fl.

This is from Aug 1998 and VH played the HOB on Sept. 16, 1998

Van Halen, the group now working on its third lead singer, will be at the House of Blues at Downtown Disney West Side at 8 p.m. Sept. 16. The band released its Van Halen 3 album in March, the first featuring Gary Cerone (the singer who followed David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar). That album's singles "Fire in the Hole," "Without You" and "One I Want" have all charted on Billboard's mainstream-rock-tracks list. Tickets are $50 and will go on sale Saturday.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os ... story.html

[metaldad]

Firstly, apologies if I played a part in the detailing of the other thread. My #wewon comment seemed to ruffle a few feathers.

Secondly, thanks for always going above and beyond to gather these stats. You never miss a beat.

Thirdly, from the numbers so far I think the average is about 12,000 per show with a 90% sold rate. Gotta be happy with that!

How does the EOTR tour compare to the Reunion numbers?

I would actually think the EOTR with Ace and Peter would pull in Guns N Roses reunion numbers.

I’m holding off on a comparative analysis with other tours until more data comes in. The short of it is EOTR is an unparalleled success. Even Billboard has said this tour has outperformed all other KISS tours.

As for EOTR with Ace & Peter?

I believe it would do better than what we’ve already seen so far. How much better? Who knows. A Reunion/Farewell has to be worth more than a Farewell alone .

GnR reunion numbers???

They didn’t do those numbers in ‘96 so what makes you believe they would’ve done it now?

Kiss didn't do those numbers in 96 but the could have if they booked bigger venues. Kiss / Doc has said they didn't know what the tour would do and it took off. Meaning at the time they booked the tour they hand no ideas how people would responded.

You also have to remember Van Halen was playing HOB and Cure's tour was failing in 1996-98.

Venues are bigger now in a lot of markets if you want to play 20,000 arena.

- Memphis
- Vegas
- Atlanta
- Miami
- L.A.

All cities above have bigger venues to play if you can fill them.

You know as Kiss fans if Gene and Paul wanted to hype Ace and Peter for the Final Kiss Tour of ALL-Time that the response would be much bigger then the current tour.

Van Halen was playing the House of Blues in 96 ?
I don’t they toured in 96 and in 95 it was in Arenas
Outside Of a Charity gig , I don’t know where you came up with this

Van Halen - HOB - Orlando Fl.

This is from Aug 1998 and VH played the HOB on Sept. 16, 1998

Van Halen, the group now working on its third lead singer, will be at the House of Blues at Downtown Disney West Side at 8 p.m. Sept. 16. The band released its Van Halen 3 album in March, the first featuring Gary Cerone (the singer who followed David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar). That album's singles "Fire in the Hole," "Without You" and "One I Want" have all charted on Billboard's mainstream-rock-tracks list. Tickets are $50 and will go on sale Saturday.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os ... story.html

I saw them at MSG in 98 and Jones Beach Theater

[nibbler1982]

Makes perfect sense Nibbler. Didn't much like you when I joined but have 100% respect for you now. Over the months. It's not rocket science... You can't deny the facts and figures...

All KATG Brother T-wing.

As far as like? I am playing a heel. The recipe usually elicits the desired effect.

Yes, you can’t deny facts and figures. It’s the sole reason that’s all I deal with. It makes the above recipe amplified exponentially.

Can’t argue with facts...yet some still try ‘till they’re blue in the face.

Go Figure.

[PterCriss]

Firstly, apologies if I played a part in the detailing of the other thread. My #wewon comment seemed to ruffle a few feathers.

Secondly, thanks for always going above and beyond to gather these stats. You never miss a beat.

Thirdly, from the numbers so far I think the average is about 12,000 per show with a 90% sold rate. Gotta be happy with that!

How does the EOTR tour compare to the Reunion numbers?

I would actually think the EOTR with Ace and Peter would pull in Guns N Roses reunion numbers.

I’m holding off on a comparative analysis with other tours until more data comes in. The short of it is EOTR is an unparalleled success. Even Billboard has said this tour has outperformed all other KISS tours.

As for EOTR with Ace & Peter?

I believe it would do better than what we’ve already seen so far. How much better? Who knows. A Reunion/Farewell has to be worth more than a Farewell alone .

GnR reunion numbers???

They didn’t do those numbers in ‘96 so what makes you believe they would’ve done it now?

Kiss didn't do those numbers in 96 but the could have if they booked bigger venues. Kiss / Doc has said they didn't know what the tour would do and it took off. Meaning at the time they booked the tour they hand no ideas how people would responded.

You also have to remember Van Halen was playing HOB and Cure's tour was failing in 1996-98.

Venues are bigger now in a lot of markets if you want to play 20,000 arena.

- Memphis
- Vegas
- Atlanta
- Miami
- L.A.

All cities above have bigger venues to play if you can fill them.

You know as Kiss fans if Gene and Paul wanted to hype Ace and Peter for the Final Kiss Tour of ALL-Time that the response would be much bigger then the current tour.

Van Halen was playing the House of Blues in 96 ?
I don’t they toured in 96 and in 95 it was in Arenas
Outside Of a Charity gig , I don’t know where you came up with this

Van Halen - HOB - Orlando Fl.

This is from Aug 1998 and VH played the HOB on Sept. 16, 1998

Van Halen, the group now working on its third lead singer, will be at the House of Blues at Downtown Disney West Side at 8 p.m. Sept. 16. The band released its Van Halen 3 album in March, the first featuring Gary Cerone (the singer who followed David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar). That album's singles "Fire in the Hole," "Without You" and "One I Want" have all charted on Billboard's mainstream-rock-tracks list. Tickets are $50 and will go on sale Saturday.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os ... story.html

I saw them at MSG in 98 and Jones Beach Theater

And they played HOB in 1998 in Orlando Florida just like I said. Sorry to burst that bubble Timmy.

[nibbler1982]

Firstly, apologies if I played a part in the detailing of the other thread. My #wewon comment seemed to ruffle a few feathers.

Secondly, thanks for always going above and beyond to gather these stats. You never miss a beat.

Thirdly, from the numbers so far I think the average is about 12,000 per show with a 90% sold rate. Gotta be happy with that!

How does the EOTR tour compare to the Reunion numbers?

I would actually think the EOTR with Ace and Peter would pull in Guns N Roses reunion numbers.

I’m holding off on a comparative analysis with other tours until more data comes in. The short of it is EOTR is an unparalleled success. Even Billboard has said this tour has outperformed all other KISS tours.

As for EOTR with Ace & Peter?

I believe it would do better than what we’ve already seen so far. How much better? Who knows. A Reunion/Farewell has to be worth more than a Farewell alone .

GnR reunion numbers???

They didn’t do those numbers in ‘96 so what makes you believe they would’ve done it now?

Kiss didn't do those numbers in 96 but the could have if they booked bigger venues. Kiss / Doc has said they didn't know what the tour would do and it took off. Meaning at the time they booked the tour they hand no ideas how people would responded.

You also have to remember Van Halen was playing HOB and Cure's tour was failing in 1996-98.

Venues are bigger now in a lot of markets if you want to play 20,000 arena.

- Memphis
- Vegas
- Atlanta
- Miami
- L.A.

All cities above have bigger venues to play if you can fill them.

You know as Kiss fans if Gene and Paul wanted to hype Ace and Peter for the Final Kiss Tour of ALL-Time that the response would be much bigger then the current tour.

Van Halen was playing the House of Blues in 96 ?
I don’t they toured in 96 and in 95 it was in Arenas
Outside Of a Charity gig , I don’t know where you came up with this

Van Halen - HOB - Orlando Fl.

This is from Aug 1998 and VH played the HOB on Sept. 16, 1998

Van Halen, the group now working on its third lead singer, will be at the House of Blues at Downtown Disney West Side at 8 p.m. Sept. 16. The band released its Van Halen 3 album in March, the first featuring Gary Cerone (the singer who followed David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar). That album's singles "Fire in the Hole," "Without You" and "One I Want" have all charted on Billboard's mainstream-rock-tracks list. Tickets are $50 and will go on sale Saturday.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os ... story.html

I saw them at MSG in 98 and Jones Beach Theater

That Jones Beach show was head and shoulders my least favorite VH show.

Although I do believe that goes without saying.