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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by acefan1975 » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:46 am

Vandelay Industries wrote:
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I have several thoughts & questions, but I'm occupied at work, so I'll post 'em one at a time, lol...

Are the total grosses reported the "shopping cart" ticket prices, or the "checkout" prices? Might seem like a nitpicky question, but there IS a 25% difference between one and the other...
Thats a good question. I would like to know that too. Although probably all tour reports are done in the same way I would guess?

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by redinthesky » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:27 am

Evo999 wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:31 am
Much Too Soon wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:54 pm
Cmon...ticket prices determine sales. Revenue pricing is a different ballgame than your average 1970s gig. The management is using pretty sophisticated computer modeling to price each seat and update it almost hourly. In essence KISS ...say for Dallas ... for example was estimated to bring in a certain range of dollars. The modeling was used to price seats properly to bring in the higher range of dollars. And it’s working. Working nationwide and looks like worldwide as well.

In other words KISS is currently making 97% of the available dollars that are estimated to be made and selling 97% of the available seats .... to reach that objective. The band is KICKING ASS.
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NEWS
APRIL 9, 2018 2:59PM ET

Taylor Swift’s Ticket Strategy: Brilliant Business or Slowing Demand?

If you went on Ticketmaster in January and pulled up a third-row seat for Taylor Swift‘s June 2nd show at Chicago’s Soldier Field, it would have cost you $995. But if you looked up the same seat three months later, the price would have been $595. That’s because Swift has adopted “dynamic pricing,” where concert tickets – like airline seats – shift prices constantly in adjusting to market demand. It’s a move intended to squeeze out the secondary-ticket market – but it’s also left many fans confused as they’re asked to pay hundreds of dollars more than face value. “Basically, Ticketmaster is operating as StubHub,” says one concert-business source.


Swift is not alone. This summer, U2, Kenny Chesney, Pink, the Eagles and Shania Twain will also embrace dynamic pricing (which Ticketmaster calls Official Platinum Seats). It’s their latest attempt to battle resellers like StubHub, the eBay-owned site, which had sales of more than $1 billion in 2016. “You
 can go and buy tickets and then put them on StubHub and speculate for three to five times their face value – [that’s] their entire industry,” says Stuart Ross of Red Light Management, which reps Dave Matthews Band, Phish and more. 🚨Doc McGhee, who manages KISS, sees why Ticketmaster needed to take action: “If somebody’s going to pay $500 for a $150 ticket, the band should receive the money.”🚨

Not everyone agrees. Some artists, like Foo Fighters and Pearl Jam, have opted out of using the dynamic-pricing model, as have smaller, indie artists like Father John Misty. “An artist like Father John Misty is very ticket-price-conscious,” says his manager, Dan Fraser. “Just because more people are willing to pay for a ticket, he doesn’t want to [charge it] … He’ll leave money on the table.”

🚨“The industry is adopting a new mantra,” says a concert-industry expert. “If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly.”🚨

The program has forced promoters to rethink what a successful concert means in 2018. While Swift’s entire 2015 1989 tour sold out almost instantly, there are plenty of seats available for most of her Reputation shows. One veteran promoter says it’s selling “terribly – the worst scaling and flexible pricing I have ever seen for a stadium tour.” But others say she’s just playing a long game.🚨 “Don’t put too much emphasis on the fact she hasn’t sold out yet,” says Gary Bongiovanni, the editor-in-chief of concert trade publication Pollstar. “The industry is adopting a new mantra,” says a concert-industry expert. “If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly.”🚨 (Swift’s representative declined to comment for the story.)

But the system can be confusing for fans. In addition to dynamic-priced tickets, Swift’s tour is offering seats on an interactive map through a menagerie of dots – yellow for VIP ($500-$900), pink for approved fan resales (which can list for thousands of dollars), blue for standard face-value tickets ($50-$450). “It’s kind of complicated,” says Alex Hodges, CEO of Nederlander Concerts in Los Angeles, suggesting that the astronomical prices may cause fans to “get skittish and back off.”

But
experts see the plan as a necessary way to hold on to profits as the entire
industry goes through a sea change. “Does the airline want to sell out all
tickets and be done with that flight?” says one source. “Or do they
want to sell them at $700 and [eventually] sell every seat? It’s that kind of
situation.” Adds another expert, “[Concert tickets] just caught up to
hotels, airfares and rental cars. It’s a cultural change and an acceptance of
resellers.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... nd-630218/
This pretty well confirms everything Nibbler was saying about Ticket pricing strategies back at the start of this tour, and was mocked by some here for it.
So, just to give one example, when I saw a person pay $250 for a formerly $750 ticket at 6:30pm the night of the Kiss Nassau Coliseum show, do you think the promoter was saying, "I'm sure glad we didn't sell that ticket for $750 when it first went on sale, because we just got $250 for it now?"

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Vandelay Industries » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:37 am

redinthesky wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:27 am
Evo999 wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:31 am
Much Too Soon wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:54 pm
Cmon...ticket prices determine sales. Revenue pricing is a different ballgame than your average 1970s gig. The management is using pretty sophisticated computer modeling to price each seat and update it almost hourly. In essence KISS ...say for Dallas ... for example was estimated to bring in a certain range of dollars. The modeling was used to price seats properly to bring in the higher range of dollars. And it’s working. Working nationwide and looks like worldwide as well.

In other words KISS is currently making 97% of the available dollars that are estimated to be made and selling 97% of the available seats .... to reach that objective. The band is KICKING ASS.
————————————————————————————————————-————————————————————-
NEWS
APRIL 9, 2018 2:59PM ET

Taylor Swift’s Ticket Strategy: Brilliant Business or Slowing Demand?

If you went on Ticketmaster in January and pulled up a third-row seat for Taylor Swift‘s June 2nd show at Chicago’s Soldier Field, it would have cost you $995. But if you looked up the same seat three months later, the price would have been $595. That’s because Swift has adopted “dynamic pricing,” where concert tickets – like airline seats – shift prices constantly in adjusting to market demand. It’s a move intended to squeeze out the secondary-ticket market – but it’s also left many fans confused as they’re asked to pay hundreds of dollars more than face value. “Basically, Ticketmaster is operating as StubHub,” says one concert-business source.


Swift is not alone. This summer, U2, Kenny Chesney, Pink, the Eagles and Shania Twain will also embrace dynamic pricing (which Ticketmaster calls Official Platinum Seats). It’s their latest attempt to battle resellers like StubHub, the eBay-owned site, which had sales of more than $1 billion in 2016. “You
 can go and buy tickets and then put them on StubHub and speculate for three to five times their face value – [that’s] their entire industry,” says Stuart Ross of Red Light Management, which reps Dave Matthews Band, Phish and more. 🚨Doc McGhee, who manages KISS, sees why Ticketmaster needed to take action: “If somebody’s going to pay $500 for a $150 ticket, the band should receive the money.”🚨

Not everyone agrees. Some artists, like Foo Fighters and Pearl Jam, have opted out of using the dynamic-pricing model, as have smaller, indie artists like Father John Misty. “An artist like Father John Misty is very ticket-price-conscious,” says his manager, Dan Fraser. “Just because more people are willing to pay for a ticket, he doesn’t want to [charge it] … He’ll leave money on the table.”

🚨“The industry is adopting a new mantra,” says a concert-industry expert. “If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly.”🚨

The program has forced promoters to rethink what a successful concert means in 2018. While Swift’s entire 2015 1989 tour sold out almost instantly, there are plenty of seats available for most of her Reputation shows. One veteran promoter says it’s selling “terribly – the worst scaling and flexible pricing I have ever seen for a stadium tour.” But others say she’s just playing a long game.🚨 “Don’t put too much emphasis on the fact she hasn’t sold out yet,” says Gary Bongiovanni, the editor-in-chief of concert trade publication Pollstar. “The industry is adopting a new mantra,” says a concert-industry expert. “If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly.”🚨 (Swift’s representative declined to comment for the story.)

But the system can be confusing for fans. In addition to dynamic-priced tickets, Swift’s tour is offering seats on an interactive map through a menagerie of dots – yellow for VIP ($500-$900), pink for approved fan resales (which can list for thousands of dollars), blue for standard face-value tickets ($50-$450). “It’s kind of complicated,” says Alex Hodges, CEO of Nederlander Concerts in Los Angeles, suggesting that the astronomical prices may cause fans to “get skittish and back off.”

But
experts see the plan as a necessary way to hold on to profits as the entire
industry goes through a sea change. “Does the airline want to sell out all
tickets and be done with that flight?” says one source. “Or do they
want to sell them at $700 and [eventually] sell every seat? It’s that kind of
situation.” Adds another expert, “[Concert tickets] just caught up to
hotels, airfares and rental cars. It’s a cultural change and an acceptance of
resellers.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... nd-630218/
This pretty well confirms everything Nibbler was saying about Ticket pricing strategies back at the start of this tour, and was mocked by some here for it.
So, just to give one example, when I saw a person pay $250 for a formerly $750 ticket at 6:30pm the night of the Kiss Nassau Coliseum show, do you think the promoter was saying, "I'm sure glad we didn't sell that ticket for $750 when it first went on sale, because we just got $250 for it now?"
That's what I'm thinking too. It'd be one thing if a band had a Tiger Stadium 96 or MSG 96-type sellout in 45 minutes, then I can see people thinking "hmm, we probably could've charged more for those tickets"....but any other scenario, what other direction is there to go but downward?

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Post by Vandelay Industries » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am

I'm conducting my own little experiment to see how much disparity there is between pre-show average ticket price vs. reported gross average ticket price. Right now, the lowest priced ticket in Charleston is $119.50 (before fees). I also did some dot counting for the first 3 rows (but only 3 rows...I bailed out from boredom after that, lol), and theres a potential for $125,000 gross, just for those 3 rows! So, when the final tally eventually gets reported, I'll be taking these things into consideration when determining how papered this show will be :D

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Vandelay Industries wrote:
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... I also did some dot counting ...


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!





We lost a good one :( :(

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Vandelay Industries » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:30 am

Crown Royal wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:25 am
Vandelay Industries wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am
... I also did some dot counting ...


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!





We lost a good one :( :(
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I quickly had to wave the white flag, tho. I'll just leave it to the experts, lol

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Vandelay Industries wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:37 am
redinthesky wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:27 am

So, just to give one example, when I saw a person pay $250 for a formerly $750 ticket at 6:30pm the night of the Kiss Nassau Coliseum show, do you think the promoter was saying, "I'm sure glad we didn't sell that ticket for $750 when it first went on sale, because we just got $250 for it now?"
That's what I'm thinking too. It'd be one thing if a band had a Tiger Stadium 96 or MSG 96-type sellout in 45 minutes, then I can see people thinking "hmm, we probably could've charged more for those tickets"....but any other scenario, what other direction is there to go but downward?

That quote of "If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly" is completely asinine. If you vastly overprice a ticket, it won't be sold until it goes down in price anyway and then someone buys it. Extremely popular artists like The Stones, Spice Girls, etc will sell fast, but there's always a limit to what some will spend. One can always say, "Wow those Stones $2000 seats went immediately, we should have made them $2500!" But should they have? You price what you think you can get. No mystic can say how much more any ticket could have been priced.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Vandelay Industries » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:44 am

redinthesky wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:35 am
Vandelay Industries wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:37 am
redinthesky wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:27 am

So, just to give one example, when I saw a person pay $250 for a formerly $750 ticket at 6:30pm the night of the Kiss Nassau Coliseum show, do you think the promoter was saying, "I'm sure glad we didn't sell that ticket for $750 when it first went on sale, because we just got $250 for it now?"
That's what I'm thinking too. It'd be one thing if a band had a Tiger Stadium 96 or MSG 96-type sellout in 45 minutes, then I can see people thinking "hmm, we probably could've charged more for those tickets"....but any other scenario, what other direction is there to go but downward?

That quote of "If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly" is completely asinine. If you vastly overprice a ticket, it won't be sold until it goes down in price anyway and then someone buys it. Extremely popular artists like The Stones, Spice Girls, etc will sell fast, but there's always a limit to what some will spend. One can always say, "Wow those Stones $2000 seats went immediately, we should have made them $2500!" But should they have? You price what you think you can get. No mystic can say how much more any ticket could have been priced.
Agreed. That quote just sounds like a lame attempt at spin doctoring to me. A "concert industry expert" (anonymous, no less) taking up for the concert industry? Shocking!!! I guess it worked on at least one poster here, so mission accomplished lol...

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by nibbler1982 » Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:09 pm

Vandelay Industries wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am
I'm conducting my own little experiment to see how much disparity there is between pre-show average ticket price vs. reported gross average ticket price. Right now, the lowest priced ticket in Charleston is $119.50 (before fees). I also did some dot counting for the first 3 rows (but only 3 rows...I bailed out from boredom after that, lol), and theres a potential for $125,000 gross, just for those 3 rows! So, when the final tally eventually gets reported, I'll be taking these things into consideration when determining how papered this show will be :D
It’s a potential $108,000...but like you said in another post, you should leave it to the experts.

That is if all those seats were made available to the public. More than likely there are some high end comps in there too.

Also factor in the $59.50, $74.50, and $94.50 seats that are under the $119.50 tickets you already mentioned. Speaking of factoring in...

How the heck are you gonna come up with a “pre-show average ticket price”?

How are you gonna figure out how many tickets there are in each price tier?

I study pre show sales pretty vigorously. I’m extremely intrigued to your methods and ultimately what number you’re finally gonna arrive upon for Charleston’s pre show average.

Keep us posted.

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Post by nibbler1982 » Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:22 pm

Vandelay Industries wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:37 am
redinthesky wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:27 am
Evo999 wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:31 am
Much Too Soon wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:54 pm
Cmon...ticket prices determine sales. Revenue pricing is a different ballgame than your average 1970s gig. The management is using pretty sophisticated computer modeling to price each seat and update it almost hourly. In essence KISS ...say for Dallas ... for example was estimated to bring in a certain range of dollars. The modeling was used to price seats properly to bring in the higher range of dollars. And it’s working. Working nationwide and looks like worldwide as well.

In other words KISS is currently making 97% of the available dollars that are estimated to be made and selling 97% of the available seats .... to reach that objective. The band is KICKING ASS.
————————————————————————————————————-————————————————————-
NEWS
APRIL 9, 2018 2:59PM ET

Taylor Swift’s Ticket Strategy: Brilliant Business or Slowing Demand?

If you went on Ticketmaster in January and pulled up a third-row seat for Taylor Swift‘s June 2nd show at Chicago’s Soldier Field, it would have cost you $995. But if you looked up the same seat three months later, the price would have been $595. That’s because Swift has adopted “dynamic pricing,” where concert tickets – like airline seats – shift prices constantly in adjusting to market demand. It’s a move intended to squeeze out the secondary-ticket market – but it’s also left many fans confused as they’re asked to pay hundreds of dollars more than face value. “Basically, Ticketmaster is operating as StubHub,” says one concert-business source.


Swift is not alone. This summer, U2, Kenny Chesney, Pink, the Eagles and Shania Twain will also embrace dynamic pricing (which Ticketmaster calls Official Platinum Seats). It’s their latest attempt to battle resellers like StubHub, the eBay-owned site, which had sales of more than $1 billion in 2016. “You
 can go and buy tickets and then put them on StubHub and speculate for three to five times their face value – [that’s] their entire industry,” says Stuart Ross of Red Light Management, which reps Dave Matthews Band, Phish and more. 🚨Doc McGhee, who manages KISS, sees why Ticketmaster needed to take action: “If somebody’s going to pay $500 for a $150 ticket, the band should receive the money.”🚨

Not everyone agrees. Some artists, like Foo Fighters and Pearl Jam, have opted out of using the dynamic-pricing model, as have smaller, indie artists like Father John Misty. “An artist like Father John Misty is very ticket-price-conscious,” says his manager, Dan Fraser. “Just because more people are willing to pay for a ticket, he doesn’t want to [charge it] … He’ll leave money on the table.”

🚨“The industry is adopting a new mantra,” says a concert-industry expert. “If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly.”🚨

The program has forced promoters to rethink what a successful concert means in 2018. While Swift’s entire 2015 1989 tour sold out almost instantly, there are plenty of seats available for most of her Reputation shows. One veteran promoter says it’s selling “terribly – the worst scaling and flexible pricing I have ever seen for a stadium tour.” But others say she’s just playing a long game.🚨 “Don’t put too much emphasis on the fact she hasn’t sold out yet,” says Gary Bongiovanni, the editor-in-chief of concert trade publication Pollstar. “The industry is adopting a new mantra,” says a concert-industry expert. “If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly.”🚨 (Swift’s representative declined to comment for the story.)

But the system can be confusing for fans. In addition to dynamic-priced tickets, Swift’s tour is offering seats on an interactive map through a menagerie of dots – yellow for VIP ($500-$900), pink for approved fan resales (which can list for thousands of dollars), blue for standard face-value tickets ($50-$450). “It’s kind of complicated,” says Alex Hodges, CEO of Nederlander Concerts in Los Angeles, suggesting that the astronomical prices may cause fans to “get skittish and back off.”

But
experts see the plan as a necessary way to hold on to profits as the entire
industry goes through a sea change. “Does the airline want to sell out all
tickets and be done with that flight?” says one source. “Or do they
want to sell them at $700 and [eventually] sell every seat? It’s that kind of
situation.” Adds another expert, “[Concert tickets] just caught up to
hotels, airfares and rental cars. It’s a cultural change and an acceptance of
resellers.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... nd-630218/
This pretty well confirms everything Nibbler was saying about Ticket pricing strategies back at the start of this tour, and was mocked by some here for it.
So, just to give one example, when I saw a person pay $250 for a formerly $750 ticket at 6:30pm the night of the Kiss Nassau Coliseum show, do you think the promoter was saying, "I'm sure glad we didn't sell that ticket for $750 when it first went on sale, because we just got $250 for it now?"
That's what I'm thinking too. It'd be one thing if a band had a Tiger Stadium 96 or MSG 96-type sellout in 45 minutes, then I can see people thinking "hmm, we probably could've charged more for those tickets"....but any other scenario, what other direction is there to go but downward?
It appears the concept is beyond both your grasps.

KISS didn’t lose money by selling a few $750 seats for $250. They sold most of the $250 seats for $750!

Live Nation is trying to take the money out of the resale market by charging an exorbitant amount for prime seats. They don’t believe they’re all gonna go for that amount. Scalpers are gonna think twice before trying to make a profit on a $750 second tie KISS ticket. If stock is left over it can be reduced to what the market determines fair value. Once sold you can’t call the purchaser back and ask for more money because they sold too fast.

I’m not sure which aspect of the process you two can’t comprehend?

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Post by redinthesky » Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:32 pm

Vandelay Industries wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:44 am
redinthesky wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:35 am
Vandelay Industries wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:37 am
redinthesky wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:27 am

So, just to give one example, when I saw a person pay $250 for a formerly $750 ticket at 6:30pm the night of the Kiss Nassau Coliseum show, do you think the promoter was saying, "I'm sure glad we didn't sell that ticket for $750 when it first went on sale, because we just got $250 for it now?"
That's what I'm thinking too. It'd be one thing if a band had a Tiger Stadium 96 or MSG 96-type sellout in 45 minutes, then I can see people thinking "hmm, we probably could've charged more for those tickets"....but any other scenario, what other direction is there to go but downward?

That quote of "If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly" is completely asinine. If you vastly overprice a ticket, it won't be sold until it goes down in price anyway and then someone buys it. Extremely popular artists like The Stones, Spice Girls, etc will sell fast, but there's always a limit to what some will spend. One can always say, "Wow those Stones $2000 seats went immediately, we should have made them $2500!" But should they have? You price what you think you can get. No mystic can say how much more any ticket could have been priced.
Agreed. That quote just sounds like a lame attempt at spin doctoring to me. A "concert industry expert" (anonymous, no less) taking up for the concert industry? Shocking!!! I guess it worked on at least one poster here, so mission accomplished lol...
It's amazing that some still can't grasp that if a ticket goes on sale for a certain price, even a highly jacked-up price, anyone involved would rather see it sold for that price than something less.

I'll go back to my example, because I saw it happen, it's a real example. $250 for a ticket that was originally $750. No one, absolutely no one, is saying, "Well jeepers creepers the seat was only worth $250 anyway, no big deal!" No, it is a big deal, especially since others paid $750 for the seats right beside it. It all comes down to which price would the benefiting parties like to sell the seat for; a) $750, or b) $250? It doesn't mean jack squat if the "market" says the seat is only worth $250 - it was put on sale for $750, so that is definitely the preferred price. They'd rather get $250 over nothing if the seat doesn't sell - but basic logic says they'd prefer $750.

I've also never purchased any ticket at ticketmaster yet where they said "Don't buy yet, it's overpriced, wait a while, or heck, we'll just take 66 percent off right now for ya."
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There are none so blind as those that will not see.

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There are none so blind as those that will not see.
Yet none of us have put you on ignore.

A little thanks might be in order, Bro 'Blitts

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Evo999 wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:31 am
Much Too Soon wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:54 pm
Cmon...ticket prices determine sales. Revenue pricing is a different ballgame than your average 1970s gig. The management is using pretty sophisticated computer modeling to price each seat and update it almost hourly. In essence KISS ...say for Dallas ... for example was estimated to bring in a certain range of dollars. The modeling was used to price seats properly to bring in the higher range of dollars. And it’s working. Working nationwide and looks like worldwide as well.

In other words KISS is currently making 97% of the available dollars that are estimated to be made and selling 97% of the available seats .... to reach that objective. The band is KICKING ASS.
————————————————————————————————————-————————————————————-
NEWS
APRIL 9, 2018 2:59PM ET

Taylor Swift’s Ticket Strategy: Brilliant Business or Slowing Demand?

If you went on Ticketmaster in January and pulled up a third-row seat for Taylor Swift‘s June 2nd show at Chicago’s Soldier Field, it would have cost you $995. But if you looked up the same seat three months later, the price would have been $595. That’s because Swift has adopted “dynamic pricing,” where concert tickets – like airline seats – shift prices constantly in adjusting to market demand. It’s a move intended to squeeze out the secondary-ticket market – but it’s also left many fans confused as they’re asked to pay hundreds of dollars more than face value. “Basically, Ticketmaster is operating as StubHub,” says one concert-business source.


Swift is not alone. This summer, U2, Kenny Chesney, Pink, the Eagles and Shania Twain will also embrace dynamic pricing (which Ticketmaster calls Official Platinum Seats). It’s their latest attempt to battle resellers like StubHub, the eBay-owned site, which had sales of more than $1 billion in 2016. “You
 can go and buy tickets and then put them on StubHub and speculate for three to five times their face value – [that’s] their entire industry,” says Stuart Ross of Red Light Management, which reps Dave Matthews Band, Phish and more. 🚨Doc McGhee, who manages KISS, sees why Ticketmaster needed to take action: “If somebody’s going to pay $500 for a $150 ticket, the band should receive the money.”🚨

Not everyone agrees. Some artists, like Foo Fighters and Pearl Jam, have opted out of using the dynamic-pricing model, as have smaller, indie artists like Father John Misty. “An artist like Father John Misty is very ticket-price-conscious,” says his manager, Dan Fraser. “Just because more people are willing to pay for a ticket, he doesn’t want to [charge it] … He’ll leave money on the table.”

🚨“The industry is adopting a new mantra,” says a concert-industry expert. “If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly.”🚨

The program has forced promoters to rethink what a successful concert means in 2018. While Swift’s entire 2015 1989 tour sold out almost instantly, there are plenty of seats available for most of her Reputation shows. One veteran promoter says it’s selling “terribly – the worst scaling and flexible pricing I have ever seen for a stadium tour.” But others say she’s just playing a long game.🚨 “Don’t put too much emphasis on the fact she hasn’t sold out yet,” says Gary Bongiovanni, the editor-in-chief of concert trade publication Pollstar. “The industry is adopting a new mantra,” says a concert-industry expert. “If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly.”🚨 (Swift’s representative declined to comment for the story.)

But the system can be confusing for fans. In addition to dynamic-priced tickets, Swift’s tour is offering seats on an interactive map through a menagerie of dots – yellow for VIP ($500-$900), pink for approved fan resales (which can list for thousands of dollars), blue for standard face-value tickets ($50-$450). “It’s kind of complicated,” says Alex Hodges, CEO of Nederlander Concerts in Los Angeles, suggesting that the astronomical prices may cause fans to “get skittish and back off.”

But
experts see the plan as a necessary way to hold on to profits as the entire
industry goes through a sea change. “Does the airline want to sell out all
tickets and be done with that flight?” says one source. “Or do they
want to sell them at $700 and [eventually] sell every seat? It’s that kind of
situation.” Adds another expert, “[Concert tickets] just caught up to
hotels, airfares and rental cars. It’s a cultural change and an acceptance of
resellers.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... nd-630218/
This pretty well confirms everything Nibbler was saying about Ticket pricing strategies back at the start of this tour, and was mocked by some here for it.
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This pretty well confirms everything Nibbler was saying about Ticket pricing strategies back at the start of this tour, and was mocked by some here for it.
Indeed it does bro.....Indeed it does. 👍

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So, just to give one example, when I saw a person pay $250 for a formerly $750 ticket at 6:30pm the night of the Kiss Nassau Coliseum show, do you think the promoter was saying, "I'm sure glad we didn't sell that ticket for $750 when it first went on sale, because we just got $250 for it now?"
That's what I'm thinking too. It'd be one thing if a band had a Tiger Stadium 96 or MSG 96-type sellout in 45 minutes, then I can see people thinking "hmm, we probably could've charged more for those tickets"....but any other scenario, what other direction is there to go but downward?
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That quote of "If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly" is completely asinine. If you vastly overprice a ticket, it won't be sold until it goes down in price anyway and then someone buys it. Extremely popular artists like The Stones, Spice Girls, etc will sell fast, but there's always a limit to what some will spend. One can always say, "Wow those Stones $2000 seats went immediately, we should have made them $2500!" But should they have? You price what you think you can get. No mystic can say how much more any ticket could have been priced.
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Agreed. That quote just sounds like a lame attempt at spin doctoring to me. A "concert industry expert" (anonymous, no less) taking up for the concert industry? Shocking!!! I guess it worked on at least one poster here, so mission accomplished lol...
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It's amazing that some still can't grasp that if a ticket goes on sale for a certain price, even a highly jacked-up price, anyone involved would rather see it sold for that price than something less.

I'll go back to my example, because I saw it happen, it's a real example. $250 for a ticket that was originally $750. No one, absolutely no one, is saying, "Well jeepers creepers the seat was only worth $250 anyway, no big deal!" No, it is a big deal, especially since others paid $750 for the seats right beside it. It all comes down to which price would the benefiting parties like to sell the seat for; a) $750, or b) $250? It doesn't mean jack squat if the "market" says the seat is only worth $250 - it was put on sale for $750, so that is definitely the preferred price. They'd rather get $250 over nothing if the seat doesn't sell - but basic logic says they'd prefer $750.

I've also never purchased any ticket at ticketmaster yet where they said "Don't buy yet, it's overpriced, wait a while, or heck, we'll just take 66 percent off right now for ya."
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Of course they would rather see it sold at the higher price, and in the initial case, they aren't saying I'm glad I didn't sell it for $750 what they are saying is I'm glad I sold the other 80% at $750, and it's worth dumping these last 20% at $250 because the total sale amount if much higher.

Say there were 1000 high end seats at $750. - that is $750,000 in sales. IF they sell - 80% of them at $750 and dump the remaining 20% at $250 - total is $615,000. The promoter is in $135,000. This is an extreme example but you can rest assured the folks in the business are running all this stuff through models to figure out what they can possibly get the market to bear to maximize that number. Bottom line: fewer seats sold at the highest possible price can net out more than lots of underpriced seats. Especially for a band as greedy as Kiss, that's the bottom line, Paul's ego notwithstanding. :)

That's the gist of what Nibbs was saying way back when, If I recall, and this article would seem to prove the industry is thinking the same way. Why'll I'd never have the interest to count the dots as our buddy Nibbs does, you have to give credit where it's due. He got it right on this one.

I'm not sure why this is that hard a concept to understand. Bands and promoters care about sell-outs but they'll undoubtedly take higher guarantees/more revenue over bums in seats most of the time, as any business would.

Speaking of sell-outs, this whole pricing model is a sell-out, and gouges the most loyal fans. That's probably something most can agree with.

EDIT - and clearly, I don't know how to manipuate the quote function. :)

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Post by nibbler1982 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:20 am

Counting dots are easy, sometimes the quote function eludes me too!

But seriously...

The concept is so easy to understand. Anyone with rudimentary math skills should be able to comprehend it’s machinations.

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You're comparing Swift, who attempts to sell multiple nights in stadiums in many instances, to KISS. It is the epitome of apples to oranges comparison.

KISS has no chance of doing multiple nights anywhere anymore. Swift does. The marketing strategies are as different as night and day.

Nice try, though, fellas :)

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nibbler1982 wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:09 pm
Vandelay Industries wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am
I'm conducting my own little experiment to see how much disparity there is between pre-show average ticket price vs. reported gross average ticket price. Right now, the lowest priced ticket in Charleston is $119.50 (before fees). I also did some dot counting for the first 3 rows (but only 3 rows...I bailed out from boredom after that, lol), and theres a potential for $125,000 gross, just for those 3 rows! So, when the final tally eventually gets reported, I'll be taking these things into consideration when determining how papered this show will be :D
It’s a potential $108,000...but like you said in another post, you should leave it to the experts.

That is if all those seats were made available to the public. More than likely there are some high end comps in there too.

Also factor in the $59.50, $74.50, and $94.50 seats that are under the $119.50 tickets you already mentioned. Speaking of factoring in...

How the heck are you gonna come up with a “pre-show average ticket price”?

How are you gonna figure out how many tickets there are in each price tier?

I study pre show sales pretty vigorously. I’m extremely intrigued to your methods and ultimately what number you’re finally gonna arrive upon for Charleston’s pre show average.

Keep us posted.
First, I'm not really gonna do a deep dive into any show, much less Charleston. I was just gonna multiply the number of tickets sold by $119.50, and hazard a guess that figure will be in the neighborhood of the actual gross, all those $200-1000 premium seat sales notwithstanding.

Second, "dynamic pricing" is just a fancier way to say "legalized scalping", so no shit that Kiss, or any band participating, will see an increase in ticket revenue. The fact tho, that anyone outside of the industry would actually be clinking champagne glasses over it, well that's quite the head-scratcher.

And you come up with "pre show avg ticket price" by simply taking a look at all the price tiers per section shortly after tix go on sale, assume the promoter will be successful in extracting every nickel out of those amounts, then do the math. At the end of the day, it's just like, well, counting dots. We both know it could be done, but only one of us have the time for it...

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Yeah, I don't like it. I get it that they are trying to squeeze out the scalpers but they really kick the long time fans who want to get good seats early.

Digital/tech is great but it's screwing up many aspects of the music business. I'm not clinking glasses over it, but Nibbs was called out for suggesting it, and it turns out, he was right.

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Vandelay Industries wrote:
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Vandelay Industries wrote:
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I'm conducting my own little experiment to see how much disparity there is between pre-show average ticket price vs. reported gross average ticket price. Right now, the lowest priced ticket in Charleston is $119.50 (before fees). I also did some dot counting for the first 3 rows (but only 3 rows...I bailed out from boredom after that, lol), and theres a potential for $125,000 gross, just for those 3 rows! So, when the final tally eventually gets reported, I'll be taking these things into consideration when determining how papered this show will be :D
It’s a potential $108,000...but like you said in another post, you should leave it to the experts.

That is if all those seats were made available to the public. More than likely there are some high end comps in there too.

Also factor in the $59.50, $74.50, and $94.50 seats that are under the $119.50 tickets you already mentioned. Speaking of factoring in...

How the heck are you gonna come up with a “pre-show average ticket price”?

How are you gonna figure out how many tickets there are in each price tier?

I study pre show sales pretty vigorously. I’m extremely intrigued to your methods and ultimately what number you’re finally gonna arrive upon for Charleston’s pre show average.

Keep us posted.
First, I'm not really gonna do a deep dive into any show, much less Charleston. I was just gonna multiply the number of tickets sold by $119.50, and hazard a guess that figure will be in the neighborhood of the actual gross, all those $200-1000 premium seat sales notwithstanding.

Second, "dynamic pricing" is just a fancier way to say "legalized scalping", so no shit that Kiss, or any band participating, will see an increase in ticket revenue. The fact tho, that anyone outside of the industry would actually be clinking champagne glasses over it, well that's quite the head-scratcher.

And you come up with "pre show avg ticket price" by simply taking a look at all the price tiers per section shortly after tix go on sale, assume the promoter will be successful in extracting every nickel out of those amounts, then do the math. At the end of the day, it's just like, well, counting dots. We both know it could be done, but only one of us have the time for it...
Oh...I get it now. It was just a threat of taking the time to do some due diligence and actually knowing what you were talking about. Even thought you had no intention of making good on said threat. You would rather remain in the dark but still shoot off at the mouth anyway.

Yup...definitely your modus operandi. Why change now.

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Yeah, I don't like it. I get it that they are trying to squeeze out the scalpers but they really kick the long time fans who want to get good seats early.

Digital/tech is great but it's screwing up many aspects of the music business. I'm not clinking glasses over it, but Nibbs was called out for suggesting it, and it turns out, he was right.
I dont find a lot of this all that interesting as a subject; the new concert game and all.. But the notion of the fleecing of the earlybirds is pretty disgraceful. at its core..
5 sitting in a row coughed up their $750, and the next group of 5 next to them waited and coughed up their $250 for the exact same seats. Not sure how long people will be prepared to put up with that model... But like a lot of things in the current concert game, nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care..

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Yeah, I don't like it. I get it that they are trying to squeeze out the scalpers but they really kick the long time fans who want to get good seats early.

Digital/tech is great but it's screwing up many aspects of the music business. I'm not clinking glasses over it, but Nibbs was called out for suggesting it, and it turns out, he was right.
I dont find a lot of this all that interesting as a subject; the new concert game and all.. But the notion of the fleecing of the earlybirds is pretty disgraceful. at its core..
5 sitting in a row coughed up their $750, and the next group of 5 next to them waited and coughed up their $250 for the exact same seats. Not sure how long people will be prepared to put up with that model... But like a lot of things in the current concert game, nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care..
If those tickets are gonna be sold at $750 either way, who do you believe has a better claim on the money?

The band or the ticket broker?

The higher price tickets take the broker out of play. No resale value.

“Not sure how long people will be prepared to put up with that model”???

If the seats don’t move the price will come down accordingly, set by the buying public.

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Vandelay Industries wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am
I'm conducting my own little experiment to see how much disparity there is between pre-show average ticket price vs. reported gross average ticket price. Right now, the lowest priced ticket in Charleston is $119.50 (before fees). I also did some dot counting for the first 3 rows (but only 3 rows...I bailed out from boredom after that, lol), and theres a potential for $125,000 gross, just for those 3 rows! So, when the final tally eventually gets reported, I'll be taking these things into consideration when determining how papered this show will be :D
Charleston is actually selling relatively well compared to some the dogs of the 2nd US leg. I imagine once the inevitable prices drops come closer to show time the floor seats will disappear and that place looks full. We'll be their regardless (coming up from FL).

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Post by Vandelay Industries » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:04 pm

Phyllis Simmons wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:56 pm
Evo999 wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:51 am
Yeah, I don't like it. I get it that they are trying to squeeze out the scalpers but they really kick the long time fans who want to get good seats early.

Digital/tech is great but it's screwing up many aspects of the music business. I'm not clinking glasses over it, but Nibbs was called out for suggesting it, and it turns out, he was right.
I dont find a lot of this all that interesting as a subject; the new concert game and all.. But the notion of the fleecing of the earlybirds is pretty disgraceful. at its core..
5 sitting in a row coughed up their $750, and the next group of 5 next to them waited and coughed up their $250 for the exact same seats. Not sure how long people will be prepared to put up with that model... But like a lot of things in the current concert game, nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care..
I think more people will care once they notice, lol...

For many folks who don't comb through message boards and music sites, I honestly think they haven't caught on to the legalized scalping (let's call it what it is) model yet, thinking the day 1 prices are set in stone. Once everyone catches on and is brought up to speed, it'll be interesting to see how the game is played. I don't even bother checking for tickets anymore til the last minute, unless it's an act that doesn't participate in price gouging...those are usually the tougher tickets to get, because they DO reward the early birds.

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Post by Evo999 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:54 am

KF73 wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:06 pm
Vandelay Industries wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am
I'm conducting my own little experiment to see how much disparity there is between pre-show average ticket price vs. reported gross average ticket price. Right now, the lowest priced ticket in Charleston is $119.50 (before fees). I also did some dot counting for the first 3 rows (but only 3 rows...I bailed out from boredom after that, lol), and theres a potential for $125,000 gross, just for those 3 rows! So, when the final tally eventually gets reported, I'll be taking these things into consideration when determining how papered this show will be :D
Charleston is actually selling relatively well compared to some the dogs of the 2nd US leg. I imagine once the inevitable prices drops come closer to show time the floor seats will disappear and that place looks full. We'll be their regardless (coming up from FL).
Toronto and Montreal are very well sold as well. Toronto looks like it will sell out again based on what sold already and Montreal probably close as well.

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For many folks who don't comb through message boards and music sites, I honestly think they haven't caught on to the legalized scalping (let's call it what it is) model yet, thinking the day 1 prices are set in stone. Once everyone catches on and is brought up to speed, it'll be interesting to see how the game is played. I don't even bother checking for tickets anymore til the last minute, unless it's an act that doesn't participate in price gouging...those are usually the tougher tickets to get, because they DO reward the early birds.
VERY smart move... I haven't been bitten by this yet and it worked for the Jacksonville EOTR road in April. In the past it used to be more of a gamble. I start checking things out usually a few weeks out and if something good pops I may take them based on what's left. If there is a lot of availability I usually wait until a few days before. Stub Hub squatting from the cheap seats is another good method if you are really into gambling! Always check right at curtain to see what's left!

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KF73 wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:06 pm
Vandelay Industries wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am
I'm conducting my own little experiment to see how much disparity there is between pre-show average ticket price vs. reported gross average ticket price. Right now, the lowest priced ticket in Charleston is $119.50 (before fees). I also did some dot counting for the first 3 rows (but only 3 rows...I bailed out from boredom after that, lol), and theres a potential for $125,000 gross, just for those 3 rows! So, when the final tally eventually gets reported, I'll be taking these things into consideration when determining how papered this show will be :D
Charleston is actually selling relatively well compared to some the dogs of the 2nd US leg. I imagine once the inevitable prices drops come closer to show time the floor seats will disappear and that place looks full. We'll be their regardless (coming up from FL).
I’m front row in Charleston (and Charlotte and Virginia Beach).
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Post by nibbler1982 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:28 pm

BlackDiamond67 wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:11 pm
KF73 wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:06 pm
Vandelay Industries wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am
I'm conducting my own little experiment to see how much disparity there is between pre-show average ticket price vs. reported gross average ticket price. Right now, the lowest priced ticket in Charleston is $119.50 (before fees). I also did some dot counting for the first 3 rows (but only 3 rows...I bailed out from boredom after that, lol), and theres a potential for $125,000 gross, just for those 3 rows! So, when the final tally eventually gets reported, I'll be taking these things into consideration when determining how papered this show will be :D
Charleston is actually selling relatively well compared to some the dogs of the 2nd US leg. I imagine once the inevitable prices drops come closer to show time the floor seats will disappear and that place looks full. We'll be their regardless (coming up from FL).
I’m front row in Charleston (and Charlotte and Virginia Beach).
Can’t wait!
Charleston looks solid.
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I personally think "dynamic pricing" or whatever is a bunch of garbage. Look, I GET why artists do it, but it is so anti-consumer. Like someone here said, it punishes the early birds who want to get good seats. What happens later when someone waits until maybe the day of the show, or whatever, and buys a ticket in the SAME ROW for way less, because Ticketmaster wants to sell it just to sell it? I just don't think that is fair at all to the early bird fan who originally purchased the higher price. You know. like the person who talked about the $750 KISS ticket being sold for $250 on the day of the show. I would feel ripped off if I had a $750 dollar seat, and I had found out that a person in the SAME ROW and SAME SECTION paid just $250 bucks. I would have wondered why I had to pay an extra $500 bucks more?

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So we’re just down Toronto?

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I personally think "dynamic pricing" or whatever is a bunch of garbage. Look, I GET why artists do it, but it is so anti-consumer. Like someone here said, it punishes the early birds who want to get good seats. What happens later when someone waits until maybe the day of the show, or whatever, and buys a ticket in the SAME ROW for way less, because Ticketmaster wants to sell it just to sell it? I just don't think that is fair at all to the early bird fan who originally purchased the higher price. You know. like the person who talked about the $750 KISS ticket being sold for $250 on the day of the show. I would feel ripped off if I had a $750 dollar seat, and I had found out that a person in the SAME ROW and SAME SECTION paid just $250 bucks. I would have wondered why I had to pay an extra $500 bucks more?
The reason why you had to pay an extra $500 was to assure you got the premium seat you wanted.

If that premium seat wasn’t worth you paying for that assurance then you don’t pay it and take your chances.

Nobody gets ripped off.

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I personally think "dynamic pricing" or whatever is a bunch of garbage. Look, I GET why artists do it, but it is so anti-consumer. Like someone here said, it punishes the early birds who want to get good seats. What happens later when someone waits until maybe the day of the show, or whatever, and buys a ticket in the SAME ROW for way less, because Ticketmaster wants to sell it just to sell it? I just don't think that is fair at all to the early bird fan who originally purchased the higher price. You know. like the person who talked about the $750 KISS ticket being sold for $250 on the day of the show. I would feel ripped off if I had a $750 dollar seat, and I had found out that a person in the SAME ROW and SAME SECTION paid just $250 bucks. I would have wondered why I had to pay an extra $500 bucks more?
Scalping in plain sight, that's what it is. I think right now, many people are still naive to "dynamic pricing", so in a few years I'm curious to see how the mainstream ultimately responds to it.

Many businesses understand that "spillage" goes with the territory...yet unfortunately, when it comes to the music and entertainment biz, they think the answer to stopping a nickel from rolling out the door is to find new ways to screw their customers...

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Much Too Soon » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:43 pm

Anyone that has purchased a KISS EOTR ticket with a gun at their back... please speak up.

Anyone......

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Vandelay Industries » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:01 am

First: Gun at their back? Shit, the Much Too Soons of the board wouldn't need a gun to their back, they'd happily pay more if they could....y'know, to help with all the "winning" they crow about :lol:

Second: Also, it's pretty obvious the Much Too Soons of the board are great at talking the talk, but not so much at walking the walk. Bullshit that you don't read anything by the users you'd supposedly blocked...and the more you continue to keep claiming otherwise, the more you come off as a wishy-washy dolt.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Wichita77 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:30 am

Personally, I wouldn't be the least bit upset if I paid $500 for a seat and found out that the person next to me paid way less on the day of. They took a chance hoping they'd get a good ticket, and it paid off! Good for them. I decided not to risk it, and knew I'd get a good ticket. Good for me.

Before dynamic pricing, I could never get a good seat by the luck of the draw. To get close I was always paying a scalper... today that scalper just happens to be Ticketmaster instead of that guy outside the venue with a handful of tickets.

Hmmm.... I wonder if that guy worked for Ticketmaster...

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Mr Slow » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:36 am

Vandelay Industries wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:01 am
First: Gun at their back? Shit, the Much Too Soons of the board wouldn't need a gun to their back, they'd happily pay more if they could....y'know, to help with all the "winning" they crow about :lol:

Second: Also, it's pretty obvious the Much Too Soons of the board are great at talking the talk, but not so much at walking the walk. Bullshit that you don't read anything by the users you'd supposedly blocked...and the more you continue to keep claiming otherwise, the more you come off as a wishy-washy dolt.
No need for the name calling is there? We’re just a bunch of KISS Nerds discussing KISS. Let’s leave the angry rants to people like Eddie Trunk! :lol:

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Vandelay Industries » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:57 am

Wichita77 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:30 am
Personally, I wouldn't be the least bit upset if I paid $500 for a seat and found out that the person next to me paid way less on the day of. They took a chance hoping they'd get a good ticket, and it paid off! Good for them. I decided not to risk it, and knew I'd get a good ticket. Good for me.

Before dynamic pricing, I could never get a good seat by the luck of the draw. To get close I was always paying a scalper... today that scalper just happens to be Ticketmaster instead of that guy outside the venue with a handful of tickets.

Hmmm.... I wonder if that guy worked for Ticketmaster...
But if the scalper happens to be Ticketmaster, that pretty much throws out the "it's just like the airlines!" analogy being tossed around here, doesn't it? If you're trying to book a flight and you think Delta is charging too much, well you have plenty of other above-board major airlines to look for a better price, unlike Ticketmaster, where it's pretty much them or GFY, lol...

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