Rock & Brews

[Doose]

You don't hear much about Rock & Brews these days. It's odd that Gene and Paul aren't listed on their "Executives" page either.

[KISSFACE]

Maybe they were bought out?

[ManOf1000Faces]

LA KISS 2.0?

[Nellcote71]

Winning...



Yeah...let’s have a restaurant endorsed by a fat, blood spitting musician - people will flock to eat there...

[Talktopete]

Winning...



Yeah...let’s have a restaurant endorsed by a fat, blood spitting musician - people will flock to eat there...

That wasn't very nice. And the one near me does very well and the food is delicious. It's always busy. And.... whatever. Alice Cooper has a restaurant too. A republican, Christian who sings about necrophilia and gets his head cut off on a nightly basis, oh and his restaurant is filled with golf memorabilia. And it does good business too. I bet you eat at Toby Keith's restaurant.

[Potato Salad]

Winning...



Yeah...let’s have a restaurant endorsed by a fat, blood spitting musician - people will flock to eat there...

That is a terrible argument.

[star_paul12]

Who knows. Haven’t heard anything of it in a while which also includes anything bad. Any time I’m at an airport that has one they always seem to be busy. In my opinion R&B is probably the most lucrative, legitimate business venture gene/Paul have involved themselves with in years. It certainly beats GS tongue/Simmons money bag records~publishing/ weed, Stanley fashion lines, and kiss football.

[Nellcote71]

Winning...



Yeah...let’s have a restaurant endorsed by a fat, blood spitting musician - people will flock to eat there...

That wasn't very nice. And the one near me does very well and the food is delicious. It's always busy. And.... whatever. Alice Cooper has a restaurant too. A republican, Christian who sings about necrophilia and gets his head cut off on a nightly basis, oh and his restaurant is filled with golf memorabilia. And it does good business too. I bet you eat at Toby Keith's restaurant.

Heavy handed - my apologies...
A better way to say is I don’t feel mixing KISS with food is a successful business model

[elleneff]

Winning...



Yeah...let’s have a restaurant endorsed by a fat, blood spitting musician - people will flock to eat there...

That wasn't very nice. And the one near me does very well and the food is delicious. It's always busy. And.... whatever. Alice Cooper has a restaurant too. A republican, Christian who sings about necrophilia and gets his head cut off on a nightly basis, oh and his restaurant is filled with golf memorabilia. And it does good business too. I bet you eat at Toby Keith's restaurant.

Does he really? Good business?
Because Cooperstown in Phoenix closed it doors after 18 years in 2017.



https://eu.azcentral.com/story/entertai ... 791107001/

https://www.tripadvisor.ie/Restaurant_R ... izona.html

[KlevelandKissFreak]

I never understood the reasoning behind the KISS Coffeehouse at Myrtle Beach... I've lived in South Carolina 25 years and I never bothered checking it out. I had friends send pics when they went but I thought the coffeehouse was stupid.

[Doose]

I never understood the reasoning behind the KISS Coffeehouse at Myrtle Beach... I've lived in South Carolina 25 years and I never bothered checking it out. I had friends send pics when they went but I thought the coffeehouse was stupid.

I think the coffeehouse was some KISS fans who had the idea, and, of course, if they paid for everything to develop it, it made sense for Gene and Paul to give them a license and hope it was an idea that could be franchised. But you're right - KISS and coffee have zero connection, so why would it be interesting to anyone other than KISS fans? Now if Lohman's puts out a line of Vinnie Vincent Pantsuits, THAT'LL sell.

[gothunder]

Silent partners(probably some how with NO risk). They put their names and faces on it to get it jump started(like the Coffee House) then took off and are watching checks come in. Mailbox money.

[Rockandrolloverman]

The one in the St. Louis area seems to be doing very well every time we go there / it’s a great place to eat and the decor and theme makes for a very cool experience

[metaldad]

They know nothing about running a Restaurant
They know nothing about running a Football Team
They know nothing about running a Magazine
They know nothing about Race cars
They know nothing about running a Coffee Shop
They Have Famous Names and Faces
It’s all free money for them until they jump ship

[mot$$33]

Winning...



Yeah...let’s have a restaurant endorsed by a fat, blood spitting musician - people will flock to eat there...

That wasn't very nice. And the one near me does very well and the food is delicious. It's always busy. And.... whatever. Alice Cooper has a restaurant too. A republican, Christian who sings about necrophilia and gets his head cut off on a nightly basis, oh and his restaurant is filled with golf memorabilia. And it does good business too. I bet you eat at Toby Keith's restaurant.

Does he really? Good business?
Because Cooperstown in Phoenix closed it doors after 18 years in 2017.



https://eu.azcentral.com/story/entertai ... 791107001/

https://www.tripadvisor.ie/Restaurant_R ... izona.html

I visited Cooperstown in 1999. It was awesome. Still have some souvenirs I bought there. It was part of the downtown Phoenix revitalization.

[metaldad]

Winning...



Yeah...let’s have a restaurant endorsed by a fat, blood spitting musician - people will flock to eat there...

That wasn't very nice. And the one near me does very well and the food is delicious. It's always busy. And.... whatever. Alice Cooper has a restaurant too. A republican, Christian who sings about necrophilia and gets his head cut off on a nightly basis, oh and his restaurant is filled with golf memorabilia. And it does good business too. I bet you eat at Toby Keith's restaurant.

Does he really? Good business?
Because Cooperstown in Phoenix closed it doors after 18 years in 2017.



https://eu.azcentral.com/story/entertai ... 791107001/

https://www.tripadvisor.ie/Restaurant_R ... izona.html

Well it Was good business for 18 years

[Doose]

Whatever happened to the KISS casino being built near the Oklahoma border?

https://www-1.kansas.com/entertainment/ ... 32255.html

Sounds like maybe there was an upheaval at R&B and a lot of things changed. No action on their Twitter account either since January.

[Soylent Gene]

Might have something to do with Gene's two separate Sexual Assault charges at two different Rock & Brews restaurants. Might not be the image the other partners wanted for their family restaurant chain.

[Doose]

Might have something to do with Gene's two separate Sexual Assault charges at two different Rock & Brews restaurants. Might not be the image the other partners wanted for their family restaurant chain.

Very, very good point. I didn't think about that. It may just be a temporary "hands off" approach (no pun intended) for a while.

[elleneff]

Winning...



Yeah...let’s have a restaurant endorsed by a fat, blood spitting musician - people will flock to eat there...

That wasn't very nice. And the one near me does very well and the food is delicious. It's always busy. And.... whatever. Alice Cooper has a restaurant too. A republican, Christian who sings about necrophilia and gets his head cut off on a nightly basis, oh and his restaurant is filled with golf memorabilia. And it does good business too. I bet you eat at Toby Keith's restaurant.

Does he really? Good business?
Because Cooperstown in Phoenix closed it doors after 18 years in 2017.



https://eu.azcentral.com/story/entertai ... 791107001/

https://www.tripadvisor.ie/Restaurant_R ... izona.html

Well it Was good business for 18 years

WELL, I had a good read through reviews and articles Just out of curiousity. It did good solid business for about 10 years. The area was vibrant during that period. There was a LOT of investment, Fox Studios at the time has set up an animation studio via Don Bluth so there was a big influx of artistic and film talent to the area at the time. I lived there at the time. It struggled for the last 8 or so. Clearly had minimal investment and coasted into decline. A cross section of reviews said the menu was tired, the place dusty and dirty and just very very tired.

[metaldad]

Winning...



Yeah...let’s have a restaurant endorsed by a fat, blood spitting musician - people will flock to eat there...

That wasn't very nice. And the one near me does very well and the food is delicious. It's always busy. And.... whatever. Alice Cooper has a restaurant too. A republican, Christian who sings about necrophilia and gets his head cut off on a nightly basis, oh and his restaurant is filled with golf memorabilia. And it does good business too. I bet you eat at Toby Keith's restaurant.

Does he really? Good business?
Because Cooperstown in Phoenix closed it doors after 18 years in 2017.



https://eu.azcentral.com/story/entertai ... 791107001/

https://www.tripadvisor.ie/Restaurant_R ... izona.html

Well it Was good business for 18 years

WELL, I had a good read through reviews and articles Just out of curiousity. It did good solid business for about 10 years. The area was vibrant during that period. There was a LOT ofn investment, Fox at the time has set up an animation studio via Don Bluth so there was a big influx of artistic and film talent to the area. It struggled for the last 8 or so. Clearly had minimal investment and coasted into decline. A cross section of reviews said the menu was tired, the place dusty and dirty and just very very tired.

I know when it first opened Alice had Dave Mustaine and Randy Johnson as investors
Maybe after they were no longer involved Alice didn’t want to foot the bill alone and let it ride until closing

[Soylent Gene]

Might have something to do with Gene's two separate Sexual Assault charges at two different Rock & Brews restaurants. Might not be the image the other partners wanted for their family restaurant chain.

Very, very good point. I didn't think about that. It may just be a temporary "hands off" approach (no pun intended) for a while.

In this day and age, I find it hard to believe anyone would want to associate their brand with someone like Gene Simmons. He's burned a lot of bridges with his big mouth and vile behavior towards women.

[Potato Salad]

Might have something to do with Gene's two separate Sexual Assault charges at two different Rock & Brews restaurants. Might not be the image the other partners wanted for their family restaurant chain.

Very, very good point. I didn't think about that. It may just be a temporary "hands off" approach (no pun intended) for a while.

In this day and age, I find it hard to believe anyone would want to associate their brand with someone like Gene Simmons. He's burned a lot of bridges with his big mouth and vile behavior towards women.

Gene's behavior and statements are the main reason people my age don't listen to KISS.

[elleneff]

Winning...



Yeah...let’s have a restaurant endorsed by a fat, blood spitting musician - people will flock to eat there...

That wasn't very nice. And the one near me does very well and the food is delicious. It's always busy. And.... whatever. Alice Cooper has a restaurant too. A republican, Christian who sings about necrophilia and gets his head cut off on a nightly basis, oh and his restaurant is filled with golf memorabilia. And it does good business too. I bet you eat at Toby Keith's restaurant.

Does he really? Good business?
Because Cooperstown in Phoenix closed it doors after 18 years in 2017.



https://eu.azcentral.com/story/entertai ... 791107001/

https://www.tripadvisor.ie/Restaurant_R ... izona.html

Well it Was good business for 18 years

WELL, I had a good read through reviews and articles Just out of curiousity. It did good solid business for about 10 years. The area was vibrant during that period. There was a LOT ofn investment, Fox at the time has set up an animation studio via Don Bluth so there was a big influx of artistic and film talent to the area. It struggled for the last 8 or so. Clearly had minimal investment and coasted into decline. A cross section of reviews said the menu was tired, the place dusty and dirty and just very very tired.

I know when it first opened Alice had Dave Mustaine and Randy Johnson as investors
Maybe after they were no longer involved Alice didn’t want to foot the bill alone and let it ride until closing

Possibly. My reply was to really ask this TalktoPete guy where his facts came from because its decades old and way out of date.
Like me saying Tower Records is killing it (well the last remaining stores are in Dublin (theres 2) and other snide comments to try to make an point utterly uninformed.

[metaldad]

Winning...



Yeah...let’s have a restaurant endorsed by a fat, blood spitting musician - people will flock to eat there...

That wasn't very nice. And the one near me does very well and the food is delicious. It's always busy. And.... whatever. Alice Cooper has a restaurant too. A republican, Christian who sings about necrophilia and gets his head cut off on a nightly basis, oh and his restaurant is filled with golf memorabilia. And it does good business too. I bet you eat at Toby Keith's restaurant.

Does he really? Good business?
Because Cooperstown in Phoenix closed it doors after 18 years in 2017.



https://eu.azcentral.com/story/entertai ... 791107001/

https://www.tripadvisor.ie/Restaurant_R ... izona.html

Well it Was good business for 18 years

WELL, I had a good read through reviews and articles Just out of curiousity. It did good solid business for about 10 years. The area was vibrant during that period. There was a LOT ofn investment, Fox at the time has set up an animation studio via Don Bluth so there was a big influx of artistic and film talent to the area. It struggled for the last 8 or so. Clearly had minimal investment and coasted into decline. A cross section of reviews said the menu was tired, the place dusty and dirty and just very very tired.

I know when it first opened Alice had Dave Mustaine and Randy Johnson as investors
Maybe after they were no longer involved Alice didn’t want to foot the bill alone and let it ride until closing

Possibly. My reply was to really ask this TalktoPete guy where his facts came from because its decades old and way out of date.
Like me saying Tower Records is killing it (well the last remaining stores are in Dublin (theres 2) and other snide comments to try to make an point utterly uninformed.

I completely understand

[Soylent Gene]

Might have something to do with Gene's two separate Sexual Assault charges at two different Rock & Brews restaurants. Might not be the image the other partners wanted for their family restaurant chain.

Very, very good point. I didn't think about that. It may just be a temporary "hands off" approach (no pun intended) for a while.

In this day and age, I find it hard to believe anyone would want to associate their brand with someone like Gene Simmons. He's burned a lot of bridges with his big mouth and vile behavior towards women.

Gene's behavior and statements are the main reason people my age don't listen to KISS.

Most women and most men who respect women would agree.

[Kissologist]

I hope to get to eat in one of those before they close

[elleneff]

Might have something to do with Gene's two separate Sexual Assault charges at two different Rock & Brews restaurants. Might not be the image the other partners wanted for their family restaurant chain.

Very, very good point. I didn't think about that. It may just be a temporary "hands off" approach (no pun intended) for a while.

In this day and age, I find it hard to believe anyone would want to associate their brand with someone like Gene Simmons. He's burned a lot of bridges with his big mouth and vile behavior towards women.

Gene's behavior and statements are the main reason people my age don't listen to KISS.

Most women and most men who respect women would agree.

THIS. very MUCH THIS.

Ill edit to add, For a man that adores his mother, his wife and daughter, his treatment of women over the years has been at times baffling and appalling.
From the point of view that should anyone treated Flora (rest in peace) Shannon or Sophie in a manner he has treated a lot of women, ie as an item to be used and objectified, well......

[elleneff]

deleted duplicate post.

[Fartbone]

I enjoyed the one here in Downey CA.

[ZachAttack]

Might have something to do with Gene's two separate Sexual Assault charges at two different Rock & Brews restaurants. Might not be the image the other partners wanted for their family restaurant chain.

Very, very good point. I didn't think about that. It may just be a temporary "hands off" approach (no pun intended) for a while.

In this day and age, I find it hard to believe anyone would want to associate their brand with someone like Gene Simmons. He's burned a lot of bridges with his big mouth and vile behavior towards women.

Gene's behavior and statements are the main reason people my age don't listen to KISS.

I think it's more to do with their terrible taste in music

[Potato Salad]

Might have something to do with Gene's two separate Sexual Assault charges at two different Rock & Brews restaurants. Might not be the image the other partners wanted for their family restaurant chain.

Very, very good point. I didn't think about that. It may just be a temporary "hands off" approach (no pun intended) for a while.

In this day and age, I find it hard to believe anyone would want to associate their brand with someone like Gene Simmons. He's burned a lot of bridges with his big mouth and vile behavior towards women.

Gene's behavior and statements are the main reason people my age don't listen to KISS.

I think it's more to do with their terrible taste in music

That too, but there will always be a new wave of kids who listen to The Beatles, Nirvana, David Bowie, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, etc. Only KISS isn't part of that group anymore. KISS (Gene Simmons in particular) are singled out for 'ruining rock' by associating it with toys and merchandise, and Gene's statements about downloading music and suicide are really not a good look for the band. When he tried to trademark the devil horns, the entire metal community had a field day with Gene and said he was a disgrace to music. I am in the minority that enjoys his persona and sense of humor, but the average young person isn't going to touch their work with a ten foot pole because of this. It's had a seriously negative impact on the band's legacy, more so than lip syncing or post-reunion crap or anything like that.

[score2112]

Been to the one on Orlando, and the food was quite good. Also a cool atmosphere with rock memorabilia and videos playing. Would go again for sure.

[Soylent Gene]

Might have something to do with Gene's two separate Sexual Assault charges at two different Rock & Brews restaurants. Might not be the image the other partners wanted for their family restaurant chain.

Very, very good point. I didn't think about that. It may just be a temporary "hands off" approach (no pun intended) for a while.

In this day and age, I find it hard to believe anyone would want to associate their brand with someone like Gene Simmons. He's burned a lot of bridges with his big mouth and vile behavior towards women.

Gene's behavior and statements are the main reason people my age don't listen to KISS.

I think it's more to do with their terrible taste in music

That too, but there will always be a new wave of kids who listen to The Beatles, Nirvana, David Bowie, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, etc. Only KISS isn't part of that group anymore. KISS (Gene Simmons in particular) are singled out for 'ruining rock' by associating it with toys and merchandise, and Gene's statements about downloading music and suicide are really not a good look for the band. When he tried to trademark the devil horns, the entire metal community had a field day with Gene and said he was a disgrace to music. I am in the minority that enjoys his persona and sense of humor, but the average young person isn't going to touch their work with a ten foot pole because of this. It's had a seriously negative impact on the band's legacy, more so than lip syncing or post-reunion crap or anything like that.

How about when Gene said people with depression should go kill themselves.

[elleneff]

Anyone tweeted either of them to ask are they still involved with RnB?

[redinthesky]

Who knows. Haven’t heard anything of it in a while which also includes anything bad. Any time I’m at an airport that has one they always seem to be busy. In my opinion R&B is probably the most lucrative, legitimate business venture gene/Paul have involved themselves with in years. It certainly beats GS tongue/Simmons money bag records~publishing/ weed, Stanley fashion lines, and kiss football.

That's also the impression I got, that's it's the best thing G&P have gotten involved in or started up. Not bad considering this list of failed celeb eateries --

https://www.thedailymeal.com/eat/16-fai ... estaurants

[battra]

The one in the St. Louis area seems to be doing very well every time we go there / it’s a great place to eat and the decor and theme makes for a very cool experience

I went there once and was less than impressed.

Let me clarify that...

It was not bad and I didn't walk out of there thinking I'd overpaid or anything like that. It's just nothing original or special. Then couple that with it being 30 miles west of my house at the very end of St. Louis County...(Note I live in the county of St. Louis City....long story.)

That particular area is having a worker shortage as well. The people who live there don't want the work, and the people who'll take those jobs can't get out there. We'll see what happens there, but the shortage is closing restaurants.

For me, ok food, but far away when I can support a hundred locally owned restaurants in my and the surrounding neighborhoods and not having to go to Chesterfield?

Yeah, I haven't been back.

[Aceydeucey]

My wife and I ate at the Albuquerque one, food was great, after dinner sat and had drinks, fun atmosphere, if I remember right they let you bring your dog in and there is a menu and beer for the dogs. Lots of fun.

[Ace on Tom Snyder]

FWIW, 18 years is a phenomenal run for a restaurant, let alone a celebrity-owned restaurant.

[PassMeBy]

The one in the St. Louis area seems to be doing very well every time we go there / it’s a great place to eat and the decor and theme makes for a very cool experience

I went there once and was less than impressed.

Let me clarify that...

It was not bad and I didn't walk out of there thinking I'd overpaid or anything like that. It's just nothing original or special. Then couple that with it being 30 miles west of my house at the very end of St. Louis County...(Note I live in the county of St. Louis City....long story.)

That particular area is having a worker shortage as well. The people who live there don't want the work, and the people who'll take those jobs can't get out there. We'll see what happens there, but the shortage is closing restaurants.

For me, ok food, but far away when I can support a hundred locally owned restaurants in my and the surrounding neighborhoods and not having to go to Chesterfield?

Yeah, I haven't been back.

Sounds like you had far too high expectations for a Rock N' Roll themed sports bar.

[metaldad]

The one in the St. Louis area seems to be doing very well every time we go there / it’s a great place to eat and the decor and theme makes for a very cool experience

I went there once and was less than impressed.

Let me clarify that...

It was not bad and I didn't walk out of there thinking I'd overpaid or anything like that. It's just nothing original or special. Then couple that with it being 30 miles west of my house at the very end of St. Louis County...(Note I live in the county of St. Louis City....long story.)

That particular area is having a worker shortage as well. The people who live there don't want the work, and the people who'll take those jobs can't get out there. We'll see what happens there, but the shortage is closing restaurants.

For me, ok food, but far away when I can support a hundred locally owned restaurants in my and the surrounding neighborhoods and not having to go to Chesterfield?

Yeah, I haven't been back.

Sounds like you had far too high expectations for a Rock N' Roll themed sports bar.

He Wanted The Best
He Didn’t Get It

[PassMeBy]

He Wanted The Best
He Didn’t Get It

Compliments to the hottest chef in the world!

[curryleaf]

Ill edit to add, For a man that adores his mother, his wife and daughter, his treatment of women over the years has been at times baffling and appalling.
From the point of view that should anyone treated Flora (rest in peace) Shannon or Sophie in a manner he has treated a lot of women, ie as an item to be used and objectified, well......

Baffling? I'd suggest it's exactly what to expect from one of the most monumental hypocrites you could care to mention.

[Potato Salad]

Ill edit to add, For a man that adores his mother, his wife and daughter, his treatment of women over the years has been at times baffling and appalling.
From the point of view that should anyone treated Flora (rest in peace) Shannon or Sophie in a manner he has treated a lot of women, ie as an item to be used and objectified, well......

It's way more common than you think. There are tons of guys out there where their mother is the only woman they respect.

[elleneff]

Ill edit to add, For a man that adores his mother, his wife and daughter, his treatment of women over the years has been at times baffling and appalling.
From the point of view that should anyone treated Flora (rest in peace) Shannon or Sophie in a manner he has treated a lot of women, ie as an item to be used and objectified, well......

Baffling? I'd suggest it's exactly what to expect from one of the most monumental hypocrites you could care to mention.

Its baffling to me. But I certainly understand and take your point.
Not to tangent off topic, but if you are raised right, and you are taught to respect and hold women in regard and equal, as is right (and many many women are better than I could ever hope to be (lets not go down the yes but what about x or Y route, Id rather try to keep it positive)
But its disappointing to say the least.
Now there was Cher and Diana Ross and Shannon, Flora, Sophie, all women he loved/loves and respects. and then there are women he clearly doesn't respect by some of the most appalling utterances he dimwittyingly proclaims as he attempted to make a point in a ham fisted manner like a caveman with a stick. Now Ill conceded that at the crux he has a valid point on some issues , but for such a smart guy to discuss such a thing in media speak in a crude and demeaning manner is sad , to me.
There are academic studies that suggest that some stop developing, learning and studying in their late 40s early 50 and circle back on an ethos and practice that perhaps worked or made sense in their 20s. This certainly seems to describe Gene.
Now as I know Gene is a very scholared student in matters of History and Theology and has a magnificent scope of knowledge. Stuart Copeland , being a child of a diplomatic family in the middle east and a student of such, in an interview recently recanted a tale of meeting Gene at a party and the two spent the evening discussing the minute details of timelines and old testament and it was fascinating to listen to.
The takeaway for me, is that ,as soon as theres a camera or a media person, Gene reverts to the same old bytes and tropes because he assumes, that these simplistic jingoism is what sells.

[In the Suds]

Ill edit to add, For a man that adores his mother, his wife and daughter, his treatment of women over the years has been at times baffling and appalling.
From the point of view that should anyone treated Flora (rest in peace) Shannon or Sophie in a manner he has treated a lot of women, ie as an item to be used and objectified, well......

Madonna–whore complex - "this psychological complex is said to develop in men who see women as either saintly Madonnas or debased prostitutes. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna%E ... re_complex

[battra]

The one in the St. Louis area seems to be doing very well every time we go there / it’s a great place to eat and the decor and theme makes for a very cool experience

I went there once and was less than impressed.

Let me clarify that...

It was not bad and I didn't walk out of there thinking I'd overpaid or anything like that. It's just nothing original or special. Then couple that with it being 30 miles west of my house at the very end of St. Louis County...(Note I live in the county of St. Louis City....long story.)

That particular area is having a worker shortage as well. The people who live there don't want the work, and the people who'll take those jobs can't get out there. We'll see what happens there, but the shortage is closing restaurants.

For me, ok food, but far away when I can support a hundred locally owned restaurants in my and the surrounding neighborhoods and not having to go to Chesterfield?

Yeah, I haven't been back.

Sounds like you had far too high expectations for a Rock N' Roll themed sports bar.

Maybe?

But why would I have low hopes?

Good beer selection and good food...that's my hope.

Having posters on the wall isn't really a draw for me.

[Bruce]

... Rock & Brews is definitely my kind of dining experience!

[Vandelay Industries]

I've only seen one R&B, while strolling through LAX. Don't know if it's representative of all R&Bs, but it looked about as "rock and roll" as a restaurant owned by Old Navy..

[Nellcote71]

... Rock & Brews is definitely my kind of dining experience!

I guess they weren’t too picky