New EOTR Boxscores

[iceman500]

If u go over to ultimate-guitar.com and look in the news section they are showing kiss box scores and metallica box scores. Hard to believe kiss and metallica are doing almost the same numbers right now.

[Evo999]

Boom!

Nationwide Arena, Columbus, OH
Reported audience: 14,241 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,848,999

United Center, Chicago
Reported audience: 13,917 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,769,254

Wells Fargo Center, Philadelphia, PA
Reported audience: 14,530 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,586,959

TD Garden, Boston, MA
Reported audience: 16,843 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,569,324

PPG Paints Arena, Pittsburgh, PA
Reported audience: 13,486 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,560,111

Little Caesars Arena, Detroit, MI
Reported audience: 13,159 / 13,791 (95.42%)
Reported gross: $1,558,645

KFC Yum! Center Louisville, KY
Reported audience: 14,638 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,444,057

Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
Reported audience: 10,368 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,432,295

Target Center, Minneapolis, MN
Reported audience: 11,020 / 11,321 (97.34%)
Reported gross: $1,405,117

Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse, Cleveland, OH
Reported audience: 12,307 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,404,793

Some people are nitpicking Paul saying "it's a sold out tour". I guess "almost sold out" would be acceptable? Jeezez.

[nibbler1982]

Boom!

Nationwide Arena, Columbus, OH
Reported audience: 14,241 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,848,999

United Center, Chicago
Reported audience: 13,917 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,769,254

Wells Fargo Center, Philadelphia, PA
Reported audience: 14,530 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,586,959

TD Garden, Boston, MA
Reported audience: 16,843 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,569,324

PPG Paints Arena, Pittsburgh, PA
Reported audience: 13,486 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,560,111

Little Caesars Arena, Detroit, MI
Reported audience: 13,159 / 13,791 (95.42%)
Reported gross: $1,558,645

KFC Yum! Center Louisville, KY
Reported audience: 14,638 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,444,057

Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
Reported audience: 10,368 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,432,295

Target Center, Minneapolis, MN
Reported audience: 11,020 / 11,321 (97.34%)
Reported gross: $1,405,117

Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse, Cleveland, OH
Reported audience: 12,307 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,404,793

Some people are nitpicking Paul saying "it's a sold out tour". I guess "almost sold out" would be acceptable? Jeezez.

The current sales percentage stands at 98.27%

I don’t feel too sorry for ‘em.

[Thunderous_Lay]

The percentage could sit at 99.99% and still, you'd have the usual suspects claiming it's not a "sold out tour".

There must be an appeal to playing the jilted lover but alas, it eludes me...

[Admin]

Today's Billboard...

KISS - State Farm Arena, Atlanta, Ga
Reported audience: 6,945 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,324,454

This was previously reported by Pollstar with a sold-out audience of 11,357. The Billboard numbers would equate a PPT of $190, which even by this tour's standards seems excessive.

[star_paul12]

It’s wild to me that on a tour with so many sell outs the one city where you’d think that would be a given (Detroit) was, in fact, not a sellout. It makes no sense to me.

[redinthesky]

The percentage could sit at 99.99% and still, you'd have the usual suspects claiming it's not a "sold out tour".

There must be an appeal to playing the jilted lover but alas, it eludes me...

Because 99.99% sold isn't "sold-out." Only 100% sold is "sold-out."

Kiss is doing fantastic biz on the tour so far, and they are to be applauded to that to no end. But does that mean we change definitions now? You know what, if Kiss played a place with 25,000 seats for sale, and they sold every single one of them except one - guess what? That's not a sell-out. It'd be super-spectacular, absolutely fantastic, but it would not be a sell-out. That's just the reality, is it that big a deal? If Kiss plays an arena and there's 100 seats remaining, does that really light up insecurities where one has to lie and say "sell-out" when it wasn't, even though they sold almost an entire arena's worth of tix?

[Thunderous_Lay]

* snip *

As I said earlier, there must be an appeal to playing the jilted lover...

[redinthesky]

* snip *

As I said earlier, there must be an appeal to playing the jilted lover...

Jilted? I complimented Kiss and gave them major props. You actually sound like the jilted one because you can't accept what "sold-out" actually means.

[Crown Royal]

It’s wild to me that on a tour with so many sell outs the one city where you’d think that would be a given (Detroit) was, in fact, not a sellout. It makes no sense to me.

I said the same thing. They did great business on leg one of EOTR, Detroit is about the only head-scratcher.

[Crown Royal]

Today's Billboard...

KISS - State Farm Arena, Atlanta, Ga
Reported audience: 6,945 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,324,454

This was previously reported by Pollstar with a sold-out audience of 11,357. The Billboard numbers would equate a PPT of $190, which even by this tour's standards seems excessive.

State Farm Arena holds 21,000 people for sporting events. Obviously this does not mean it will hold that for a concert, but 6900+ seems pretty low for a sell out.

[Thunderous_Lay]

Jilted? I complimented Kiss and gave them major props. You actually sound like the jilted one because you can't accept what "sold-out" actually means.

Faux praise you mean and as I said on occasion, in the end, it makes no difference whatsoever.

Again, my fandom is not predicated on numbers, stellar or otherwise.

[redinthesky]

It’s wild to me that on a tour with so many sell outs the one city where you’d think that would be a given (Detroit) was, in fact, not a sellout. It makes no sense to me.

I said the same thing. They did great business on leg one of EOTR, Detroit is about the only head-scratcher.

Absolutely, Kiss especially in certain arenas have done absolutely phenomenal biz on the first leg. They deserve every accolade.

[redinthesky]

Jilted? I complimented Kiss and gave them major props. You actually sound like the jilted one because you can't accept what "sold-out" actually means.

Faux praise you mean and as I said on occasion, in the end, it makes no difference whatsoever.

Again, my fandom is not predicated on numbers, stellar or otherwise.

So now you're a supposed mind-reader? I've given Kiss various props all along the first leg of the tour, especially for being road warriors and cramming so many shows in relatively little time. No secret I'm not a fan of this lineup, or the lip-syncing. But can't deny Gene and Paul have blown up their show and their ticket sales so far have been pretty darn good.

[nibbler1982]

Today's Billboard...

KISS - State Farm Arena, Atlanta, Ga
Reported audience: 6,945 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,324,454

This was previously reported by Pollstar with a sold-out audience of 11,357. The Billboard numbers would equate a PPT of $190, which even by this tour's standards seems excessive.

It’s obliviously a typo. Like you’ve pointed out, the tell tale sign is the outlandish $190 ticket average that raises the flag. Billboard gets it wrong sometimes too. I’m guessing it’s purely a clerical error. Someone put the wrong number in the wrong slot.

When you look at the original boxscore you have 11,357 / $1,324,454 with a average price per ticket of $116.62.

Those numbers fall in line with the current averages almost to a tee.

[nibbler1982]

Let’s hope Billboard has something for us today.

[nibbler1982]

Nothing this week.
https://www.billboard.com/biz/current-boxscore

[Admin]

KISS - Canadian Tire Centre, Ottawa, ON, Canada
Reported audience: 11,023 / 11,315 (97.42%)
Reported gross: $1,027,092 (CDN$1,371,541)

[aceshigh]

Jilted? I complimented Kiss and gave them major props. You actually sound like the jilted one because you can't accept what "sold-out" actually means.

Faux praise you mean and as I said on occasion, in the end, it makes no difference whatsoever.

Again, my fandom is not predicated on numbers, stellar or otherwise.

So now you're a supposed mind-reader? I've given Kiss various props all along the first leg of the tour, especially for being road warriors and cramming so many shows in relatively little time. No secret I'm not a fan of this lineup, or the lip-syncing. But can't deny Gene and Paul have blown up their show and their ticket sales so far have been pretty darn good.

There are a few mind readers on this site. I have been told what I am thinking and who I dislike for years lol. Did you know because I don't like TLJ I am a woman hater?? Even though I have said numerous times I love TFA?? Mind readers often find out they are always wrong Red. Thunderous likes to lure people in with this tactic.

[aceshigh]

Nothing this week.
https://www.billboard.com/biz/current-boxscore

What to do when there are no dots to count?

[tazchris]

That is a great turn out for Ottawa. They didn't draw that well in Ottawa the last time there in 2013. It may have only been 5-6000 from what I remember. Vancouver was a similar turn out to Ottawa in 2013 as well. They are sure packing them in on this tour everywhere.

[So Cruel]

My question is what’s going on for next year? They started this out saying 3 year tour. In 2019 they will have done 2 North American legs, 1 European leg, and Australia.

In 2020 they can go to South America, but that’s a short run, under a month. Japan, but that’s even shorter, at most a couple of weeks. Maybe a European festival leg in the summer. Can’t see any more demand in N.American markets, unless they hit the sticks, but the $1m shows would be long gone if they do that.

Did Kiss blow their load this year?

[necronomicon]

If they "blew their load" it was still a pretty big fucking load

[So Cruel]

If they "blew their load" it was still a pretty big fucking load

Can the Love Gun re-load though?

[aceshigh]

If they "blew their load" it was still a pretty big fucking load

Can the Love Gun re-load though?

Not without a Five Card Stud.

[Wichita77]

Whoops, duplicate post.

[redinthesky]

Because 99.99% sold isn't "sold-out." Only 100% sold is "sold-out."

If Red was in charge of promoting KISS, his commercial would look like one of those "Just OK is not OK" commercials.



Reporter: So Paul, how is the tour doing?
Paul: We're almost selling out.

Reporter: How's your voice holding up?
Paul: It's okay. I've sounded better.

Sorry Red, but that's what came to mind when I read your post.

In this thread too, virtually the same reply? I already answered you on this in the other thread, sorry but this is just strange.

If it makes you feel any better, I heard Kiss has already sold out their entire second North American leg, so rest easy. Yup, every show, a sellout.

[nibbler1982]

My question is what’s going on for next year? They started this out saying 3 year tour. In 2019 they will have done 2 North American legs, 1 European leg, and Australia.

In 2020 they can go to South America, but that’s a short run, under a month. Japan, but that’s even shorter, at most a couple of weeks. Maybe a European festival leg in the summer. Can’t see any more demand in N.American markets, unless they hit the sticks, but the $1m shows would be long gone if they do that.

Did Kiss blow their load this year?

I think there’s a lot more of Europe to be had than a few festivals. All you have to do is check their history and they’re plenty of markets left untouched by 2019’s EOTR. Add that together with South America and Asia and I believe there are plenty of dates to be added up from those three regions. After that, there are countless Freedom To Rock type places to hit too. Shouldn’t they have a chance to say goodbye to the Hottest Band In The World?

As far as the $1m shows? I don’t (nor do KISS) believe those are gonna keep up. But as they did 20 years ago on their last Farewell, they’re not gonna leave any stone unturned. They would still be profitable stops, just less profitable. Look at these dates from 2000.

KISS, Ted Nugent, Skid Row
August 15, 2000
Albuquerque, NM
Tingley Coliseum
5,550 / 11,775 (47.13%)
$233,100

KISS, Ted Nugent, Skid Row
August 21, 2000
Biloxi, MS
Mississippi Coast Coliseum
4,219 / 15,000 (28.13%)
$179,308

KISS, Skid Row
September 6, 2000
East Lansing, MI
Breslin Center
4,792 / 14,500 (33.05%)
$215,640

KISS, Ted Nugent, Skid Row
September 10, 2000
Evansville, IN
Roberts Stadium
4,581 / 12,912 (35.48%)
$280,185

KISS, Ted Nugent, Skid Row
September 15, 2000
Binghamton, NY
Broome County Arena
3,228 / 6,800 (47.47%)
$225,735

KISS, Skid Row
October 4, 2000
Columbia, MD
Merriweather Post Pavilion
4,369 / 15,274 (28.60%)
$280,234

I fully expect them to farm every single shekel they can and leave nothing on the table. By the end of EOTR I expect similar soft numbers like the ones above.

This ain’t a sprint, there’s a lot of ROAD to cover before we reach the END.

[Wichita77]

In this thread too, virtually the same reply? I already answered you on this in the other thread, sorry but this is just strange.

I'm sorry. I goofed it and thought it didn't post.

Been one of those days.

I deleted it.

[The Fox]

This ain’t a sprint, there’s a lot of ROAD to cover before we reach the END.

Do you really think that the carwash guy will let this tour be the last?

[Mr Slow]

My question is what’s going on for next year? They started this out saying 3 year tour. In 2019 they will have done 2 North American legs, 1 European leg, and Australia.

In 2020 they can go to South America, but that’s a short run, under a month. Japan, but that’s even shorter, at most a couple of weeks. Maybe a European festival leg in the summer. Can’t see any more demand in N.American markets, unless they hit the sticks, but the $1m shows would be long gone if they do that.

Did Kiss blow their load this year?

I’ve pondered this thought quite a bit lately myself. According to one of the podcasts they are possibly hitting Japan in December as well. That doesn’t leave much for the supposed last 2 years of the tour. But I guess they know far more about this than any of us. Like some have said, there’s most likely a US B market run to come so maybe that will be the 3rd year, with a few major cities revisited along the way. It will be interesting to see how it plays out over the next couple years.

[Admin]

And there's the adjustments we were waiting for

Apr. 2 - Centre Videotron, Quebec, QC, Canada
Reported attendance: 13,142 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,074,865
Avg. ticket price: $81.79

Apr. 3 - Canadian Tire Centre, Ottawa, ON, Canada
Reported attendance: 11,315 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,050,517
Avg. ticket price: $92.84

Apr. 6 - PNC Arena, Raleigh, NC
Reported attendance: 13,076 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,756,574
Avg. ticket price: $134.34

Apr. 9 - Bridgestone Arena, Nashville, TN
Reported attendance: 13,759 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,590,796
Avg. ticket price: $115.62

Apr. 11 - Amalie Arena, Tampa, FL
Reported attendance: 13,509 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,654,566
Avg. ticket price: $122.48

Apr. 13 - BJCC Arena, Birmingham, AL
Reported attendance: 12,788 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,560,015
Avg. ticket price: $121.99

[nibbler1982]

Thanks for the hard work and diligence Jam Master Jules.

[kantsu]

Thanks Admin! Very impressive numbers.

[nibbler1982]

So off the top of my head we’re still missing 4 from this leg?

[Admin]

Overall (from 39 reported dates):
Reported audiences: 474,850 / 481,456 (98.63%)
Reported gross: $53,726,593
Average ticket price: $113.14
Average audience: 12,163

Highest attendance (To date): 16,843, Boston, MA, Mar. 26
Highest gross (To date): $1,848,999, Nationwide Arena, Columbus, OH, Mar. 16
Highest ticket average (to date): $138.15, Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY, Mar. 22

[Admin]

So off the top of my head we’re still missing 4 from this leg?

Nearly.

Glendale, AZ
Sioux Falls, SD
Grand Rapids, MI
Moline, IL
Toronto, ON, Canada

[andreww1962]

Overall (from 39 reported dates):
Reported audiences: 474,850 / 481,456 (98.63%)
Reported gross: $53,726,593
Average ticket price: $113.14
Average audience: 12,163

Highest attendance (To date): 16,843, Boston, MA, Mar. 26
Highest gross (To date): $1,848,999, Nationwide Arena, Columbus, OH, Mar. 16
Highest ticket average (to date): $138.15, Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY, Mar. 22

This is what makes me scratch my head. In the majority of the venues I have looked at there are very few ticket available for $113 or less, in fact the majority of tickets are double that cost. The front sections are 5 to 10 times that price. So how on earth is it possible that they are averaging $113? I'm calling shenanigans.

[aceshigh]

Thanks for the hard work and diligence Jam Master Jules.

You might want to wipe that brown spot off your nose. Unreal.

Seriously 10 minutes later and I can still feel the cringe....Jam Master Jules that one has to sting...

[Admin]

Jacksonville, FL - Veterans Memorial Arena, Promoter: Live Nation
Reported audience: 11,225 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,277,895

[aceshigh]

Jacksonville, FL - Veterans Memorial Arena, Promoter: Live Nation
Reported audience: 11,225 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,277,895

KISS is doing awesome. On a personal note how do you like your new nick name Just joking around in case anyone take this seriously.

[Admin]

KISS is doing awesome. On a personal note how do you like your new nick name Just joking around in case anyone take this seriously.

It's better than "Oi! Wanker!!" (which I've also been known to respond to).

[vinniestkulick]

It’s wild to me that on a tour with so many sell outs the one city where you’d think that would be a given (Detroit) was, in fact, not a sellout. It makes no sense to me.

Maybe some places are honest about their NON-sell outs, and others aren't. I was at Nassau and tickets were flat out available at the gate when I walked in (less than an hour before showtime).
I don't think these phony sellouts are unique to KISS (same thing happened at MSG for Fleetwood Mac... the big sign out front said SOLD OUT, and there was a line of a dozen+ at the ticket counter [read: NOT will call]) at showtime.

I think it's all manipulation... by MSG, the bands, and others to create B.S. urgency about every show.

I've been to actual sell outs at MSG where EVERY FRIKKIN' SEAT... in front of, behind, and all around were gone. MSG was not that for Fleetwood, and Nassau had numerous empty seats for KISS. I'd still say it was 90%+ sold... but lying about it is worse than copping to what is actually happening (which is usually still impressive, FFS).

You rarely can't buy a seat, DAY OF, at the gate for MSG, unless it's U2, or PHISH or shows like that.

[nibbler1982]

Thanks for the hard work and diligence Jam Master Jules.

You might want to wipe that brown spot off your nose. Unreal.

Seriously 10 minutes later and I can still feel the cringe....Jam Master Jules that one has to sting...

I suppose the term alliteration isn’t in your repertoire? Then again I’ve yet to see you display eloquence so why start now.

I can also see you’re not a fan of old school jams. If you were you’d assuredly get the reference. It fits too. Julian certainly is “keepin’ the beat” here over at the FAQ.

Lastly...Brown nose???

You obviously can’t appreciate the hard work, dedication, and diligence it takes to create some of the best books ever produced about the HOTTEST BAND IN THE WORLD. Being so tuned in on the archiving of live concerts aspect of the game myself, his “KISS ON TOUR” series is at the top of the heap.

Good having you back...I missed this kind of fun when you were on your vacation.

[Admin]

"Domination Mexico"
Foro Sol, Mexico City, Mexico
Promoter: OCESA / CIE
Reported audience: 86,577 / 120,000 **both nights (72.15%)
Reported gross: $4,090,935 **both nights (Mex$ 77,744,860)

[Forevertj]

"Domination Mexico"
Foro Sol, Mexico City, Mexico
Promoter: OCESA / CIE
Reported audience: 86,577 / 120,000 **both nights (72.15%)
Reported gross: $4,090,935 **both nights (Mex$ 77,744,860)

Wow.

[metaldad]

"Domination Mexico"
Foro Sol, Mexico City, Mexico
Promoter: OCESA / CIE
Reported audience: 86,577 / 120,000 **both nights (72.15%)
Reported gross: $4,090,935 **both nights (Mex$ 77,744,860)

Wow.

2 days and a shitload of bands will do it

[aceshigh]

KISS is doing awesome. On a personal note how do you like your new nick name Just joking around in case anyone take this seriously.

It's better than "Oi! Wanker!!" (which I've also been known to respond to).

Very good.

[Wichita77]

Apr. 9 - Bridgestone Arena, Nashville, TN
Reported attendance: 13,759 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,590,796
Avg. ticket price: $115.62

I'm glad to have been one of the 13,769 at the party. It was a night I'll never forget.

Thanks for going through the effort to keep us informed!

[Mr. Kiss]

One show that has eluded us as far as turnout was the Glendale show on 2/13/19. Interestingly, the ONLY "stats" I've seen on that was in the recent Classic Rock cover story.

According to writer Jaan Uhelszki (who was with them that week on their jet), Glendale pulled in....19,000! ...

For the record, I'm calling BULLSHIT on that right now! I wasn't even there, and I know they could NEVER pull in that amount... especially in AZ. The ONLY way they could come near that (indoors) would be if they played in the round. That's being VERY kind, by the way.

Clearly, Uhelszki didn't even make an effort to verify that number. ...