The exchange rate.nibbler1982 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:30 am The Montreal boxscore is quite the anomaly. It’s hard to explain the relatively low gate and average ticket price. Not that the numbers are so out of whack, but they’re disjointed enough to catch your attention.
Off the bat, sales were so robust out the gate that they literally added a second show. That being the case, discounted prices were near nine existent if not at all. Next, this was one of the highest attendances of all recorded shows so far. So you have high volume, high sales rate, and nonexistent discounts. This all adds up to some of the best numbers of the tour. Well...the best laid schemes o' mice an' men gang aft a-gley.
As it stands the $85.48 is currently the lowest average ticket price of the tour. Add on top of that the fact that the gate barely made it to $1.2M. Other attendances with ~13,500 or better made considerably more, some $500,000 more. It’s wuite the divergence.
Okay, so maybe it’s just the Montreal market. Some regions are just different monetarily from others. Nope, I don’t think it’s that either. Let’s look at what KISS did here in 2009 compared to today.
KISS
Bell Centre
Montreal, QC, Canada
July 13, 2009
$992,525
13,566
Average price per ticket $73.16
KISS
Bell Centre
Montreal, QC, Canada
Mar. 19, 2019
$1,214,421
14,207
Average price per ticket $85.48
In 2009 the ATP of $73.16 was one of the highest of that year. In 2019 the aforementioned ATP of $85.48 remains the lowest. It’s truly a tale of two cities.
Something is definitely off. I’d love to know the how’s and why’s of it. Maybe time will tell.
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That's an oversimplification, but things just value differently in different currencies sometimes.
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It’s not the exchange rate.necronomicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:56 am That's an oversimplification, but things just value differently in different currencies sometimes.
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Vancouver, BC, Canada
Nov. 14, 2009
$966,046
13,546
Average price per ticket $71.32
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Vancouver, British Columbia
Jan. 31, 2019
$1,551,414
13,373
Average price per ticket $116.01
The funny thing is the Montreal show sold more tickets and at a more robust rate, which would translate to less discounted seats. If any at all that is. Don’t forget sales were so strong they added a second show.
When looking at available data for EOTR, Montreal is truly an outlier.
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Very interesting! Yeah, I can't explain it. Maybe brisk business for the first 10,000 seats, they added a second show, and then sales for the first dropped off and they discounted the final couple thousand?
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That’s certainly plausible. Although the way I remember it...it was just about to capacity by the time they added the second show. I couldn’t say that for certain though.necronomicon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:01 pm Very interesting! Yeah, I can't explain it. Maybe brisk business for the first 10,000 seats, they added a second show, and then sales for the first dropped off and they discounted the final couple thousand?
I’d love to see the rest of the boxscores and see if Montreal remains the quirk it appears to be.
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Apr. 11 - Amalie Arena, Tampa, FL
Reported audience: 13,103 / 13,509 (96.99%)
Reported gross: $1,479,989
Reported audience: 13,103 / 13,509 (96.99%)
Reported gross: $1,479,989
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Wow... I figured that show would have been more than that. Fantastic numbers, but I thought it would be closer to 15,000. Needless to say, I was a little off. Will be interesting to see if we get a boxscore for Jacksonville.
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When they say reported audience of 13,103 does that refer to tickets sold/issued or how many people actually showed up? I was at that show and have no idea where those 400 empty seats would have been. I bought my tickets only two weeks before the show from Ticketmaster and there were barely any available maybe 30 or 40 seats in those two sections that are alongside/behind the stage and about 5 rows worth in the two lower bowl sections closest to the stage that they released as "Platinum seats" about 2 week out.
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johare wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:01 pmWhen they say reported audience of 13,103 does that refer to tickets sold/issued or how many people actually showed up? I was at that show and have no idea where those 400 empty seats would have been. I bought my tickets only two weeks before the show from Ticketmaster and there were barely any available maybe 30 or 40 seats in those two sections that are alongside/behind the stage and about 5 rows worth in the two lower bowl sections closest to the stage that they released as "Platinum seats" about 2 week out.
"Reported audience" refers to amount of tickets sold. However, capacity can refer to total amount of seats in the venue, OR the total amount of tickets made available for that specific event. Of course, that's contingent on a projected demand by the promoter.
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Nationwide Arena, Columbus, OH
Reported audience: 14,241 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,848,999
United Center, Chicago
Reported audience: 13,917 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,769,254
Wells Fargo Center, Philadelphia, PA
Reported audience: 14,530 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,586,959
TD Garden, Boston, MA
Reported audience: 16,843 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,569,324
PPG Paints Arena, Pittsburgh, PA
Reported audience: 13,486 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,560,111
Little Caesars Arena, Detroit, MI
Reported audience: 13,159 / 13,791 (95.42%)
Reported gross: $1,558,645
KFC Yum! Center Louisville, KY
Reported audience: 14,638 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,444,057
Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
Reported audience: 10,368 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,432,295
Target Center, Minneapolis, MN
Reported audience: 11,020 / 11,321 (97.34%)
Reported gross: $1,405,117
Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse, Cleveland, OH
Reported audience: 12,307 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,404,793
Nationwide Arena, Columbus, OH
Reported audience: 14,241 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,848,999
United Center, Chicago
Reported audience: 13,917 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,769,254
Wells Fargo Center, Philadelphia, PA
Reported audience: 14,530 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,586,959
TD Garden, Boston, MA
Reported audience: 16,843 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,569,324
PPG Paints Arena, Pittsburgh, PA
Reported audience: 13,486 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,560,111
Little Caesars Arena, Detroit, MI
Reported audience: 13,159 / 13,791 (95.42%)
Reported gross: $1,558,645
KFC Yum! Center Louisville, KY
Reported audience: 14,638 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,444,057
Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
Reported audience: 10,368 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,432,295
Target Center, Minneapolis, MN
Reported audience: 11,020 / 11,321 (97.34%)
Reported gross: $1,405,117
Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse, Cleveland, OH
Reported audience: 12,307 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,404,793
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Overall (from 33 reported dates):
Reported audiences: 399,139/ 406,151 (98.27%)
Reported gross: $45,241,354
Average ticket price: $113.35
Average audience: 12,080
Highest attendance (To date): 16,843, Boston, MA, Mar. 26
Highest gross (To date): $1,848,999, Nationwide Arena, Columbus, OH, Mar. 16
Highest ticket average (to date): $138.15, Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY, Mar. 22
Reported audiences: 399,139/ 406,151 (98.27%)
Reported gross: $45,241,354
Average ticket price: $113.35
Average audience: 12,080
Highest attendance (To date): 16,843, Boston, MA, Mar. 26
Highest gross (To date): $1,848,999, Nationwide Arena, Columbus, OH, Mar. 16
Highest ticket average (to date): $138.15, Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY, Mar. 22
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Of course, some may get upset that the figures reported by the venue don't match the "SOLD-OUT" banners Paul posed with They'll likely get adjusted at some point, but I'll take industry reporting over eyeballs and band members any day!
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18,000 every night, Paul said so!
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That's pretty damn impressive!
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On pace for $125,000,000 for the 92 dates. Unreal.Admin wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:40 am Overall (from 33 reported dates):
Reported audiences: 399,139/ 406,151 (98.27%)
Reported gross: $45,241,354
Average ticket price: $113.35
Average audience: 12,080
Highest attendance (To date): 16,843, Boston, MA, Mar. 26
Highest gross (To date): $1,848,999, Nationwide Arena, Columbus, OH, Mar. 16
Highest ticket average (to date): $138.15, Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY, Mar. 22
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Or is it a hundred dates now? if it's a hundred, it's closer to $150,000,000.
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Of the roughly 1.5 million gross each show, could anyone estimate what amount goes where? Like what is the venues cut? what does it cost to keep something like this on the road?
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If the second leg sells like leg one, which is hardly a given.necronomicon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:06 pmOn pace for $125,000,000 for the 92 dates. Unreal.Admin wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:40 am Overall (from 33 reported dates):
Reported audiences: 399,139/ 406,151 (98.27%)
Reported gross: $45,241,354
Average ticket price: $113.35
Average audience: 12,080
Highest attendance (To date): 16,843, Boston, MA, Mar. 26
Highest gross (To date): $1,848,999, Nationwide Arena, Columbus, OH, Mar. 16
Highest ticket average (to date): $138.15, Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY, Mar. 22
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I believe it’s 99 non festival shows and a total of 105 for 2019.necronomicon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:07 pm Or is it a hundred dates now? if it's a hundred, it's closer to $150,000,000.
Are all of them gonna come in at the $1,370,950 average KISS is currently pulling in? No.
I do think Europe and Oceania will draw at roughly the same rate and then a drop when they return to the states.
The total is assuredly gonna be north of nine figures. How much further? We’re gonna find out together.
What I’m really intrigued with is what 2020 and 2021 is gonna look like.
Stay tuned.
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I hear what your saying, but not if you break it down mathematically. The Coliseum is smaller. You have less seats selling at a higher price...that’s where the story ends. That gives you the higher price per ticket.
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Points to ponder.
https://www.billboard.com/biz/current-boxscore
I noticed that this week’s Billboard Charts was filled with a lot of “big” shows. Meaning even the show listed at number 50 (out of 50) still drew ~$1.5M.
I’m wondering if some of KISS lesser concerts would’ve been on this list if it was extended to top 100 shows of the week? If so, will we get those boxscores eventually?
https://www.billboard.com/biz/current-boxscore
I noticed that this week’s Billboard Charts was filled with a lot of “big” shows. Meaning even the show listed at number 50 (out of 50) still drew ~$1.5M.
I’m wondering if some of KISS lesser concerts would’ve been on this list if it was extended to top 100 shows of the week? If so, will we get those boxscores eventually?
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I was not aware that PINK was that big of a draw. She's huge...nibbler1982 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:20 am Points to ponder.
https://www.billboard.com/biz/current-boxscore
I noticed that this week’s Billboard Charts was filled with a lot of “big” shows. Meaning even the show listed at number 50 (out of 50) still drew ~$1.5M.
I’m wondering if some of KISS lesser concerts would’ve been on this list if it was extended to top 100 shows of the week? If so, will we get those boxscores eventually?
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KISS didn't sell out their one show in Detroit on their last tour. That's shocking.
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Detroit is also not the sameCrown Royal wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:21 am KISS didn't sell out their one show in Detroit on their last tour. That's shocking.
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No, it's not.Ratmir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:51 pmDetroit is also not the sameCrown Royal wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:21 am KISS didn't sell out their one show in Detroit on their last tour. That's shocking.
But even taking that into consideration, I would have thought that, after MSG, this would be one of the 'holy grail' places KISS fans would want to see the band at the end. When this tour was announced I truly though there'd be two shows in Detroit. I thought the first show would sell out relatively quick, then a second show would be added; if that one sold out, who knows, but it just seemed obvious KISS would do two shows on their last tour in the city that one of their most well-known songs are written about, in the city that most fans associate with what many consider to be the band's best album, Alive.
I guess I misjudged how much things have changed.
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We got lucky at got them. There were 4 <$1.5 million gross shows initially included in the list which at first publication included more than the top-50.nibbler1982 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:20 am Points to ponder.
https://www.billboard.com/biz/current-boxscore
I noticed that this week’s Billboard Charts was filled with a lot of “big” shows. Meaning even the show listed at number 50 (out of 50) still drew ~$1.5M.
I’m wondering if some of KISS lesser concerts would’ve been on this list if it was extended to top 100 shows of the week? If so, will we get those boxscores eventually?
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Looking at the top draw, I feel like listening to Merle Haggard...nibbler1982 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:20 am Points to ponder.
https://www.billboard.com/biz/current-boxscore
I noticed that this week’s Billboard Charts was filled with a lot of “big” shows. Meaning even the show listed at number 50 (out of 50) still drew ~$1.5M.
I’m wondering if some of KISS lesser concerts would’ve been on this list if it was extended to top 100 shows of the week? If so, will we get those boxscores eventually?
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Merle’s cool with me.Thunderous_Lay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:24 pmLooking at the top draw, I feel like listening to Merle Haggard...nibbler1982 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:20 am Points to ponder.
https://www.billboard.com/biz/current-boxscore
I noticed that this week’s Billboard Charts was filled with a lot of “big” shows. Meaning even the show listed at number 50 (out of 50) still drew ~$1.5M.
I’m wondering if some of KISS lesser concerts would’ve been on this list if it was extended to top 100 shows of the week? If so, will we get those boxscores eventually?
Few things soothe the soul as well as country music does.
Although after a particularly exasperating day...right now I’m sprawled out on the couch blasting this one from my phone to my sound bar.
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Like Gene said, hes too rich to care.
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You always got your eye on the ball Jules.Admin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:09 pmWe got lucky at got them. There were 4 <$1.5 million gross shows initially included in the list which at first publication included more than the top-50.nibbler1982 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:20 am Points to ponder.
https://www.billboard.com/biz/current-boxscore
I noticed that this week’s Billboard Charts was filled with a lot of “big” shows. Meaning even the show listed at number 50 (out of 50) still drew ~$1.5M.
I’m wondering if some of KISS lesser concerts would’ve been on this list if it was extended to top 100 shows of the week? If so, will we get those boxscores eventually?
Your continued diligence has started to make me lazy.
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[size=200][b]Overall (from 33 reported dates):[/b][/size]
Reported audiences: 399,139/ 406,151 (98.27%)
Reported gross: $45,241,354
Average ticket price: $113.35
Average audience: 12,080
Highest attendance (To date): 16,843, Boston, MA, Mar. 26
Highest gross (To date): $1,848,999, Nationwide Arena, Columbus, OH, Mar. 16
Highest ticket average (to date): $138.15, Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY, Mar. 22
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I would have never guessed those numbers 6 months ago unless they brought back Ace and/or Peter. Pretty impressive. I would have guessed in the 9000/850K range per show. They are sure selling better than I thought so far...
[size=200][b]Overall (from 33 reported dates):[/b][/size]
Reported audiences: 399,139/ 406,151 (98.27%)
Reported gross: $45,241,354
Average ticket price: $113.35
Average audience: 12,080
Highest attendance (To date): 16,843, Boston, MA, Mar. 26
Highest gross (To date): $1,848,999, Nationwide Arena, Columbus, OH, Mar. 16
Highest ticket average (to date): $138.15, Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY, Mar. 22
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I would have never guessed those numbers 6 months ago unless they brought back Ace and/or Peter. Pretty impressive. I would have guessed in the 9000/850K range per show. They are sure selling better than I thought so far...
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acefan1975 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:09 pmI would have never guessed those numbers 6 months ago unless they brought back Ace and/or Peter. Pretty impressive. I would have guessed in the 9000/850K range per show. They are sure selling better than I thought so far...Admin wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:40 am Overall (from 33 reported dates):
Reported audiences: 399,139/ 406,151 (98.27%)
Reported gross: $45,241,354
Average ticket price: $113.35
Average audience: 12,080
Highest attendance (To date): 16,843, Boston, MA, Mar. 26
Highest gross (To date): $1,848,999, Nationwide Arena, Columbus, OH, Mar. 16
Highest ticket average (to date): $138.15, Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY, Mar. 22
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acefan1975 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:09 pmThat would’ve been the numbers without Farewell II attached.acefan1975 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:09 pmI would have never guessed those numbers 6 months ago unless they brought back Ace and/or Peter. Pretty impressive. I would have guessed in the 9000/850K range per show. They are sure selling better than I thought so far...Admin wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:40 am Overall (from 33 reported dates):
Reported audiences: 399,139/ 406,151 (98.27%)
Reported gross: $45,241,354
Average ticket price: $113.35
Average audience: 12,080
Highest attendance (To date): 16,843, Boston, MA, Mar. 26
Highest gross (To date): $1,848,999, Nationwide Arena, Columbus, OH, Mar. 16
Highest ticket average (to date): $138.15, Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY, Mar. 22
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Way to go KISS Army Columbus. That was my first show on the tour. I definitely contributed my part.
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I should’ve been at that one with you brah.PsychoElder wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:47 pm Way to go KISS Army Columbus. That was my first show on the tour. I definitely contributed my part.
Poor execution on my end.
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Come to Cincinnati Nibbs. Probably doesn’t work out for you huh?nibbler1982 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:49 pmI should’ve been at that one with you brah.PsychoElder wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:47 pm Way to go KISS Army Columbus. That was my first show on the tour. I definitely contributed my part.
Poor execution on my end.
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It’s not probable Brother Elder.PsychoElder wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:14 pmCome to Cincinnati Nibbs. Probably doesn’t work out for you huh?nibbler1982 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:49 pmI should’ve been at that one with you brah.PsychoElder wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:47 pm Way to go KISS Army Columbus. That was my first show on the tour. I definitely contributed my part.
Poor execution on my end.
But it’s definitely possible.
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Well if it happens, you let me know.nibbler1982 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:33 pmIt’s not probable Brother Elder.PsychoElder wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:14 pmCome to Cincinnati Nibbs. Probably doesn’t work out for you huh?nibbler1982 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:49 pmI should’ve been at that one with you brah.PsychoElder wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:47 pm Way to go KISS Army Columbus. That was my first show on the tour. I definitely contributed my part.
Poor execution on my end.
But it’s definitely possible.
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Re: New EOTR Boxscores
Brother...if so I’ll reach out right after I pull the trigger.PsychoElder wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:39 pmWell if it happens, you let me know.nibbler1982 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:33 pmIt’s not probable Brother Elder.PsychoElder wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:14 pmCome to Cincinnati Nibbs. Probably doesn’t work out for you huh?nibbler1982 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:49 pmI should’ve been at that one with you brah.PsychoElder wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:47 pm Way to go KISS Army Columbus. That was my first show on the tour. I definitely contributed my part.
Poor execution on my end.
But it’s definitely possible.
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Re: New EOTR Boxscores
What does a KISS show cost the band? Say at a Sports Arena size venue.
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