Monster Bonus Track - Chart Ramifications

Post by **RisingForce** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:58 am

Is it possible that the release of Monster with a bonus track for Europe will hurt their hopes for a #1 album in the states? Personally, I know that I'll just buy the European version since that will have all of the tracks and just skip the American pressing (assuming that all of the talk of the bonus track for Europe is true).

Will there be a substantial amount of others who just skip the American pressing to get all of the tracks? Getting imports is so much easier these days that it really won't be difficult for people to get that version instead. I can imagine plenty just passing over the American version.

Anomaly · Post by **Anomaly** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:59 am

Not many I'd bet, personally I'm just downloading the tracks I like.

RINGLEADER · Post by **RINGLEADER** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:01 am

I'll just get the version here, and rip the bonus track.

Btw, where/when did this info pop up?
Thx

phoenixphil · Post by **phoenixphil** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:04 am

Didn't I read somewhere that they recorded 14 tracks for Monster? I'm guessing that the US version will havea different bonus track...

...plus we still don't know what Monster will be packaged with (remixed destroyer/ dvd etc).

And there's still that cover of Wings "venus & mars / Rockshow" that needs a home.

MONSTER Magnet · Post by **MONSTER Magnet** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:06 am

I'd like to encourage everyone to BUY "MONSTER" . Charts and such mean DIDDLY if we aren't gonna buy it . I bought 12 copies of SONIC BOOM even after getting leaks online .[a day after kiss in boston ! great show!] I passed them on to others to get "KISS" to NEW fans.
LOOKS LIKE I may be purchasing an Import too! Sure KISS is rich , but lets support any artist who dares make an Album in the Digital age. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Post by **RisingForce** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:07 am

phoenixphil wrote:Didn't I read somewhere that they recorded 14 tracks for Monster? I'm guessing that the US version will havea different bonus track...

That would be smart....knowing that those fans are out there who won't even think twice about buying both versions to get two different bonus tracks.

nightwingken · Post by **nightwingken** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:12 am

MONSTER Magnet wrote:I'd like to encourage everyone to BUY "MONSTER" . Charts and such mean DIDDLY if we aren't gonna buy it . I bought 12 copies of SONIC BOOM even after getting leaks online .[a day after kiss in boston ! great show!] I passed them on to others to get "KISS" to NEW fans.
LOOKS LIKE I may be purchasing an Import too! Sure KISS is rich , but lets support any artist who dares make an Album in the Digital age. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

please tell me you are joking.

Anomaly · Post by **Anomaly** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:12 am

MONSTER Magnet wrote:I'd like to encourage everyone to BUY "MONSTER" . Charts and such mean DIDDLY if we aren't gonna buy it . I bought 12 copies of SONIC BOOM even after getting leaks online .[a day after kiss in boston ! great show!] I passed them on to others to get "KISS" to NEW fans.
LOOKS LIKE I may be purchasing an Import too! Sure KISS is rich , but lets support any artist who dares make an Album in the Digital age. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

So...support every artist then? Because it's not like there's really any bands out there who AREN'T making albums.

lord71 · Post by **lord71** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:17 am

MONSTER Magnet wrote:I'd like to encourage everyone to BUY "MONSTER" . Charts and such mean DIDDLY if we aren't gonna buy it . I bought 12 copies of SONIC BOOM even after getting leaks online .[a day after kiss in boston ! great show!] I passed them on to others to get "KISS" to NEW fans.
LOOKS LIKE I may be purchasing an Import too! Sure KISS is rich , but lets support any artist who dares make an Album in the Digital age. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

I can make an album. How many copies would you buy ?

MrBlackwell · Post by **MrBlackwell** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:22 am

most american consumers seem pretty cheap so I guess there are no worries about that, that import cd will cost a fortune to a lot of people

ps: I remember buying the american Alive III CD first to find out a couple of days later that The UK version had "Take it Off".
Of course I went into the store, returned the american CD and bought the UK one. The cost was the exact same

Post by **RisingForce** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:26 am

MrBlackwell wrote:most american consumers seem pretty cheap so I guess there are no worries about that, that import cd will cost a fortune to a lot of people

That isn't necessarily the case with European imports. I've bought many and they are usually only around $18 - $20. Hell, Bruce's BK3 was available on a European import with an extra track (and the bonus of being in a jewel case unlike the other versions) and I got that for $15.

bjohnsen74 · Post by **bjohnsen74** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:30 am

Anomaly wrote:Not many I'd bet, personally I'm just downloading the tracks I like.

So if you like all songs, you still won't buy it.. No wonder Kiss won't reach #1.

You hang here all day, this board is taking up more of your time than anything else, and still you won't support the album if you like it.. Wow!

Anomaly · Post by **Anomaly** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:39 am

bjohnsen74 wrote:
Anomaly wrote:Not many I'd bet, personally I'm just downloading the tracks I like.
So if you like all songs, you still won't buy it.. No wonder Kiss won't reach #1.

You hang here all day, this board is taking up more of your time than anything else, and still you won't support the album if you like it.. Wow!

Well look at it this way, individual tracks are around 99 cents, and given how Sonic Boom went over for me I would have probably only downloaded three/four of the tracks. Saves me $10 and I don't have to skip the tracks I don't want to hear.

HOFCity · Post by **HOFCity** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:07 am

MONSTER Magnet wrote:I'd like to encourage everyone to BUY "MONSTER" . Charts and such mean DIDDLY if we aren't gonna buy it . I bought 12 copies of SONIC BOOM even after getting leaks online .[a day after kiss in boston ! great show!] I passed them on to others to get "KISS" to NEW fans.
LOOKS LIKE I may be purchasing an Import too! Sure KISS is rich , but lets support any artist who dares make an Album in the Digital age. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

MONSTER Magnet = Gene Simmons.

Spirited · Post by **Spirited** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:18 am

nightwingken wrote:
MONSTER Magnet wrote:I'd like to encourage everyone to BUY "MONSTER" . Charts and such mean DIDDLY if we aren't gonna buy it . I bought 12 copies of SONIC BOOM even after getting leaks online .[a day after kiss in boston ! great show!] I passed them on to others to get "KISS" to NEW fans.
LOOKS LIKE I may be purchasing an Import too! Sure KISS is rich , but lets support any artist who dares make an Album in the Digital age. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
please tell me you are joking.

I agree with his sentiment. I will download 25 copies and give them to people to promote Kiss.

superdown · Post by **superdown** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:30 am

Hopefully if there is a vinyl pressing it will have an exclusive bonus track.....

Curveboy · Post by **Curveboy** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:37 am

RisingForce wrote:Is it possible that the release of Monster with a bonus track for Europe will hurt their hopes for a #1 album in the states? Personally, I know that I'll just buy the European version since that will have all of the tracks and just skip the American pressing (assuming that all of the talk of the bonus track for Europe is true).

Will there be a substantial amount of others who just skip the American pressing to get all of the tracks? Getting imports is so much easier these days that it really won't be difficult for people to get that version instead. I can imagine plenty just passing over the American version.

Absolutely it will. I've yelled about this for years with Japanese bonus tracks. Why would I pay for the CD twice?
In this day and age...why would you even bother with this bonus track business? Just release the product as a whole on CD and digital (for the people who don't care about quality) in all markets at the same time.

Shane_Penney · Post by **Shane_Penney** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:50 am

Buying the North American version.

I'll get the bonus track some way later on when I begin to lose interest in the other 10-11 songs.

That's what happened with Psycho Circus and "In Your Face".

Hint: If it's a bonus track (ie throwaway), they don't have enough confidence to put in the album for the rest of us...

Curveboy · Post by **Curveboy** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:53 am

Shane_Penney wrote: Hint: If it's a bonus track (ie throwaway), they don't have enough confidence to put in the album for the rest of us...

Boy do I disagree with that statement...so many times the bonus tracks are incredible!

nfarend · Post by **nfarend** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:57 am

RisingForce wrote:Is it possible that the release of Monster with a bonus track for Europe will hurt their hopes for a #1 album in the states? Personally, I know that I'll just buy the European version since that will have all of the tracks and just skip the American pressing (assuming that all of the talk of the bonus track for Europe is true).

Will there be a substantial amount of others who just skip the American pressing to get all of the tracks? Getting imports is so much easier these days that it really won't be difficult for people to get that version instead. I can imagine plenty just passing over the American version.

Yes, technically it IS possible.
Maybe, who knows? I'll tell you when we have the stats, a few months after the release of the album.

Post by **RisingForce** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:07 am

Curveboy wrote:
Shane_Penney wrote: Hint: If it's a bonus track (ie throwaway), they don't have enough confidence to put in the album for the rest of us...
Boy do I disagree with that statement...so many times the bonus tracks are incredible!

Indeed. I have a number of albums where the exclusive track is easily one of the album's best.

bjohnsen74 · Post by **bjohnsen74** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:11 am

Shane_Penney wrote:
Hint: If it's a bonus track (ie throwaway), they don't have enough confidence to put in the album for the rest of us...

And why do you trust their opinion on what the best tracks are?

Shane_Penney · Post by **Shane_Penney** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:12 am

Curveboy wrote:
Shane_Penney wrote: Hint: If it's a bonus track (ie throwaway), they don't have enough confidence to put in the album for the rest of us...
Boy do I disagree with that statement...so many times the bonus tracks are incredible!

Not with KISS...

Mind you, they don't actually have many of them.

Shane_Penney · Post by **Shane_Penney** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:19 am

bjohnsen74 wrote:
Shane_Penney wrote:
Hint: If it's a bonus track (ie throwaway), they don't have enough confidence to put in the album for the rest of us...
And why do you trust their opinion on what the best tracks are?

The only times that KISS have released bonus tracks, they've been turds, unless they were live tracks.

"It's My life" should have been on Psycho Circus. Instead, they chose "In Your Face", which is embarrassing aside from a cool solo.

"Outromental" could have been recorded by a bunch of 13 year olds.

My guess is that I'll end up eventually getting it, but there's no rush.

bjohnsen74 · Post by **bjohnsen74** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:44 am

Shane_Penney wrote:
bjohnsen74 wrote:
Shane_Penney wrote:
Hint: If it's a bonus track (ie throwaway), they don't have enough confidence to put in the album for the rest of us...
And why do you trust their opinion on what the best tracks are?
The only times that KISS have released bonus tracks, they've been turds, unless they were live tracks.

"It's My life" should have been on Psycho Circus. Instead, they chose "In Your Face", which is embarrassing aside from a cool solo.

"Outromental" could have been recorded by a bunch of 13 year olds.

My guess is that I'll end up eventually getting it, but there's no rush.

Instead of being a sheep, I always make up my own mind as to what the best tracks are, whether they are bonus tracks or album tracks. For example, In Your Face for me is way better than You Wanted The Best and I Finally Found My Way, but if I follow your logic I wouldn't even give Face a chance... This goes for most other artists too, where the amount of bonus tracks is higher than with Kiss. Oasis, Bon Jovi, Suede.. most bonus tracks are better than a lot of the songs that ended up on albums.

Shane_Penney · Post by **Shane_Penney** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:57 am

bjohnsen74 wrote: Instead of being a sheep, I always make up my own mind as to what the best tracks are, whether they are bonus tracks or album tracks. For example, In Your Face for me is way better than You Wanted The Best and I Finally Found My Way, but if I follow your logic I wouldn't even give Face a chance...

In my mind you're comparing a turd to two other turds. I can't even listen to those three songs. One is really not any better than the others.

Now, "It's My Life" is not a turd in my opinion . I think that they dropped the ball with that one. However, I had to get it as part of the boxset. It is better than most of Psycho Circus to my ears. But since it was never released as a bonus track on the album, it doesn't count as one. I think "Sword and Stone" is better than most of Crazy Nights. Again, I believe that they dropped the ball with that one. It's still unreleased in any official form.

Admittedly, KISS do not have a long, expansive history of having bonus tracks. Yes, they re-released Psycho Circus with a few good live songs in Europe in 1999, and put some extra "live" songs on the original Alive IV. But, in my opinion, the most recent "new" bonus tracks that they've released were throwaways (Outromental, In Your Face)

Pollux · Post by **Pollux** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:27 pm

Acording to my memory they recorded 15 songs. Perhaps the 13th song is different in all European, American & Japanese versions? Or perhaps the European bonus is the only bonus this time? Anyway, I think that whatever they come up with wount make any difference in chart positions. "Regular" fan buys the album at hand and only few of "us" buys something extra.
Gene has said that they could use 2 "extra" songs in some other projects (Kiss BOXSET II)? Gene talked about this project in Kiss kruise. Funny thing was that Paul commented that he don't know anything about this:)

kissthat · Post by **kissthat** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:52 pm

Paul said at one time, don't know how true it still is, but at one time he said there'd be several different bonus tracks IE Target, BB , Itunes, WM.

AstroWarped · Post by **AstroWarped** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:57 pm

MONSTER Magnet wrote:I'd like to encourage everyone to BUY "MONSTER" . Charts and such mean DIDDLY if we aren't gonna buy it . I bought 12 copies of SONIC BOOM even after getting leaks online .[a day after kiss in boston ! great show!] I passed them on to others to get "KISS" to NEW fans.
LOOKS LIKE I may be purchasing an Import too! Sure KISS is rich , but lets support any artist who dares make an Album in the Digital age. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

I myself bough 12 copies of "Psycho Circus" to give to friends, thinking it was a full on, in your face, Reunion album!!!

Anomaly · Post by **Anomaly** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:58 pm

AstroWarped wrote:
MONSTER Magnet wrote:I'd like to encourage everyone to BUY "MONSTER" . Charts and such mean DIDDLY if we aren't gonna buy it . I bought 12 copies of SONIC BOOM even after getting leaks online .[a day after kiss in boston ! great show!] I passed them on to others to get "KISS" to NEW fans.
LOOKS LIKE I may be purchasing an Import too! Sure KISS is rich , but lets support any artist who dares make an Album in the Digital age. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I myself bough 12 copies of "Psycho Circus" to give to friends, thinking it was a full on, in your face, Reunion album!!!

That's nuts.

shandi777 · Post by **shandi777** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:59 pm

MONSTER Magnet wrote:I'd like to encourage everyone to BUY "MONSTER" . Charts and such mean DIDDLY if we aren't gonna buy it . I bought 12 copies of SONIC BOOM even after getting leaks online .[a day after kiss in boston ! great show!] I passed them on to others to get "KISS" to NEW fans.
LOOKS LIKE I may be purchasing an Import too! Sure KISS is rich , but lets support any artist who dares make an Album in the Digital age. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Gene loves sheep.

Heartofchrome · Post by **Heartofchrome** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:50 pm

In thise day and age the whole thing of each country have its own bonus tacks charts and awards is outdated since we can order/get what we want from any artist now everything should be unified.

GLP4me · Post by **GLP4me** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:57 pm

RisingForce wrote:Is it possible that the release of Monster with a bonus track for Europe will hurt their hopes for a #1 album in the states? Personally, I know that I'll just buy the European version since that will have all of the tracks and just skip the American pressing (assuming that all of the talk of the bonus track for Europe is true).

Will there be a substantial amount of others who just skip the American pressing to get all of the tracks? Getting imports is so much easier these days that it really won't be difficult for people to get that version instead. I can imagine plenty just passing over the American version.

That's what I'm going to do. As a KISS fan, why wouldn't I want the extra song? I'll be buying the European version and not the U.S.A. version.

sugardaddy · Post by **sugardaddy** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:29 pm

Dont steal music please

Spirited · Post by **Spirited** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:34 pm

I am only going to borrow it.

Crazy Crazy Mike · Post by **Crazy Crazy Mike** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:53 pm

I'll definitely buy the American version even if it isn't complete, just to help boost sales and chart performance. While I believe that all albums should be universal, I have no problem supporting my favorite band in a manner like this. Yes, it means spending a little more money, but it's really just the price of one or two fast food meals, which I'd be better off skipping anyway.

mikeenc · Post by **mikeenc** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:13 pm

I am betting on a Classic Rock Magazine fan pack for Monster. In that case, it is a totally different product. The Alice Cooper one is great, and the magazine has such a strong relationship with KISS I can almost guarantee it will happen. I would buy that version plus the American one.

Shane_Penney · Post by **Shane_Penney** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:21 pm

Crazy Crazy Mike wrote:I'll definitely buy the American version even if it isn't complete, just to help boost sales and chart performance. While I believe that all albums should be universal, I have no problem supporting my favorite band in a manner like this. Yes, it means spending a little more money, but it's really just the price of one or two fast food meals, which I'd be better off skipping anyway.

I'll buy the North American version, and download the bonus track later on...

KISS#1 · Post by **KISS#1** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:25 pm

I will probably be buying about two or three copies of Monster(US). One to listen while I'm my car driving, another to listen while I'm at home and another for my wife.

Anomaly · Post by **Anomaly** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:45 pm

KISS#1 wrote:I will probably be buying about two or three copies of Monster(US). One to listen while I'm my car driving, another to listen while I'm at home and another for my wife.

You really couldn't just take the CD out of the car with you in the house? Really? You'd rather spend another $12 to save yourself the hassle of spending five minutes ejecting a CD from your center console? Really?

Oh well, it's your money.

Heartofchrome · Post by **Heartofchrome** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:52 pm

Anomaly wrote:
KISS#1 wrote:I will probably be buying about two or three copies of Monster(US). One to listen while I'm my car driving, another to listen while I'm at home and another for my wife.
You really couldn't just take the CD out of the car with you in the house? Really? You'd rather spend another $12 to save yourself the hassle of spending five minutes ejecting a CD from your center console? Really?

Oh well, it's your money.

Remember some people can't listen to KISS anymore cause most of the songs dong have all the members on the band playing on it

Also

Erics time from 1992-1996 does not count anymore cause hes now wearing making up

Anomaly · Post by **Anomaly** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:32 pm

Heartofchrome wrote:
Anomaly wrote:
KISS#1 wrote:I will probably be buying about two or three copies of Monster(US). One to listen while I'm my car driving, another to listen while I'm at home and another for my wife.
You really couldn't just take the CD out of the car with you in the house? Really? You'd rather spend another $12 to save yourself the hassle of spending five minutes ejecting a CD from your center console? Really?

Oh well, it's your money.
Remember some people can't listen to KISS anymore cause most of the songs dong have all the members on the band playing on it

Also

Erics time from 1992-1996 does not count anymore cause hes now wearing making up

What?

Spirited · Post by **Spirited** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:36 pm

Anomaly wrote:
Heartofchrome wrote:
Anomaly wrote:
KISS#1 wrote:I will probably be buying about two or three copies of Monster(US). One to listen while I'm my car driving, another to listen while I'm at home and another for my wife.
You really couldn't just take the CD out of the car with you in the house? Really? You'd rather spend another $12 to save yourself the hassle of spending five minutes ejecting a CD from your center console? Really?

Oh well, it's your money.
Remember some people can't listen to KISS anymore cause most of the songs dong have all the members on the band playing on it

Also

Erics time from 1992-1996 does not count anymore cause hes now wearing making up
What?

I second that what.

ACESREVENGE2 · Post by **ACESREVENGE2** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:17 pm

If anything they'll probably be at least 2 bonus tracks,one for the europeon/germany version and 2 or 3 for the japan version when all is said and done.

asamphord · Post by **asamphord** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:57 pm

Spirited wrote:
Anomaly wrote:
Heartofchrome wrote:
Anomaly wrote:
KISS#1 wrote:I will probably be buying about two or three copies of Monster(US). One to listen while I'm my car driving, another to listen while I'm at home and another for my wife.
You really couldn't just take the CD out of the car with you in the house? Really? You'd rather spend another $12 to save yourself the hassle of spending five minutes ejecting a CD from your center console? Really?

Oh well, it's your money.
Remember some people can't listen to KISS anymore cause most of the songs dong have all the members on the band playing on it

Also

Erics time from 1992-1996 does not count anymore cause hes now wearing making up
What?
I second that what.

so is that a what what?

lugnut · Post by **lugnut** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:21 pm

I dunno, maybe it's already been confirmed and I missed it, but I can't really imagine any region-exclusive CD bonus tracks this time around. If they do, then they're really clinging to the old model. What I'd expect is iTunes / Amazon / BestBuy / etc. digital-only bonus tracks. Japan might get some extra track on their CD, but I'll be surprised if it doesn't turn up on some online outlet first as opposed to being completely exclusive to that disc.

steve · Post by **steve** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:57 pm

Anomaly wrote: personally I'm just downloading the tracks I like.

I'll listen on Youtube before I do anything. If I like it, I'll buy it. If I don't, I'll go right back to pretending COS was the last album. No harm, no foul.

froginsox · Post by **froginsox** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:24 pm

Spirited wrote:
Anomaly wrote:
Heartofchrome wrote:
Anomaly wrote:
KISS#1 wrote:I will probably be buying about two or three copies of Monster(US). One to listen while I'm my car driving, another to listen while I'm at home and another for my wife.
You really couldn't just take the CD out of the car with you in the house? Really? You'd rather spend another $12 to save yourself the hassle of spending five minutes ejecting a CD from your center console? Really?

Oh well, it's your money.
Remember some people can't listen to KISS anymore cause most of the songs dong have all the members on the band playing on it

Also

Erics time from 1992-1996 does not count anymore cause hes now wearing making up
What?
I second that what.

...and a third

nickgr74 · Post by **nickgr74** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:08 am

i think the only extra vrsion worth to buy gonna be the japanese....
i think its gonna be 2 cds+1dvd like S.B..
1-monster
2-destroyer (remix)
3-detroit 2009 dvd
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i think there s no reason to deliver the destroyer deluxe edision alone .

heart_of_chrome · Post by **heart_of_chrome** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:12 am

RisingForce wrote:
phoenixphil wrote:Didn't I read somewhere that they recorded 14 tracks for Monster? I'm guessing that the US version will havea different bonus track...
That would be smart....knowing that those fans are out there who won't even think twice about buying both versions to get two different bonus tracks.

Might their be a Japanese bonus track as well?