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vdojaq wrote: Paul claimed 55,000 people. Nope, that's 55,000 sold for the whole festival(most of which are 3 day pass variety).
That's the point they are at now: lying to themselves, and hoping we believe it, too. The fact is, they are now heading off to play where it's not a three-day festival, but just them, and the places they are heading are casinos and places where we are supposed to raise our fists in the air and say "LOUD, PROUD, and UNBOWED" because they sold 5,000 tickets.

It didn't have to be this way.

Gene and Paul like to claim KISS is bigger than any one individual. And, it's true. But you know what KISS is not bigger than? You know what has the once-mighty KISS down on its knees, begging to be mercifully put out of its misery at this point? Gene and Paul's greed.

In the end, nothing was bigger than that.
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vdojaq wrote: Paul claimed 55,000 people. Nope, that's 55,000 sold for the whole festival(most of which are 3 day pass variety).
That's the point they are at now: lying to themselves, and hoping we believe it, too. The fact is, they are now heading off to play where it's not a three-day festival, but just them, and the places they are heading are casinos and places where we are supposed to raise our fists in the air and say "LOUD, PROUD, and UNBOWED" because they sold 5,000 tickets.

It didn't have to be this way.

Gene and Paul like to claim KISS is bigger than any one individual. And, it's true. But you know what KISS is not bigger than? You know what has the once-mighty KISS down on its knees, begging to be mercifully put out of its misery at this point? Gene and Paul's greed.

In the end, nothing was bigger than that.
KISS never hyped anything. Like in 1975 when they got to fly on a private jet once and made sure to make pictures and send them everywhere so people would think they have thir own jet.
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vdojaq wrote:After much debating, got a couple of bowl GA tickets and off I went. I had to close shop @ 6pm and then haul ass down tot Toyota Park. Got there and parked by 7:50. Megadeath was still on stage as we were walking in.

Keep in mind this isn't your typical KISS concert. This is/was an all day music festival, so the atmosphere and scene was quite different. Trust me, there were quite a few so blasted off drugs and/or alcohol that they never saw Zombie or KISS. I could of had a great time just people watching.

It was so packed up in the concourse that my wife and I said fuck it, we went in the Bob Uecker seats up top and settled in. Zombie came on right as scheduled 8:20 pm and played for an exact hour. He played his hits along with the Ramones and shit, well I forgot. I can tell you this, that crowd was there to see Zombie and he commanded that crowd that whole show. John 5 did a solo spot that should have melted Tommy's makeup. Zombie was great, his band was great and his presence was great. My 1st time seeing him live and was quite impressed. The mosh pits were fun to watch.

This is where I have to be brutally honest, and it is sad. Kiss played on a small set up on a huge stage. A festival type drum riser and some side screens with lots of pyro (pyro was needed). The drum riser was chained and went up & down. Much to my surprise, Gene did fly, and so did Paul. Both on set-ups I have never seen before. I have been to 50 plus KISS shows.

KISS came on about 15 minutes late because they couldn't get the video set ups correct. When the KISS curtain fell and there they were , the crowd was just silent. All the energy from Zombie was gone. The sound mix sounded like mono on the first 2 songs with Gene's muddled bass over powering everything. After the 1st two songs, the mass exodus of people began. Paul claimed 55,000 people. Nope, that's 55,000 sold for the whole festival(most of which are 3 day pass variety). It's a 20,000 seat soccer stadium, plus the in-field. A good guess of 30K for Zombie , by time KISS ended, 15K would be generous.

Paul's voice is now cartoonish and cringe worthy. He no longer commands the stage . Standing in one place wiggling your torso and arms is not the Paul we all once knew. Honestly it felt like Paul was phoning it in last night. On the other hand, Gene still can belt it out, but he is definitely singing in a different register. Tommy should be signing 3 songs and Eric at least 2 now. I honestly was saddened watching more and more people leave after each song finished. Eric is still the backbone driving this band. The show, the movements, everything is so predictable now that I found myself not enjoying it at times. I did however enjoy Flaming Youth, I Love It Loud, War Machine( Gene still never getting the 2nd verse correct, as usual there was no voice of reason and the arrows never did fly) Love Gun. Paul was horrible on Say Yeah, Eric saves that song with his vocals. Paul pulled a major Gene last night, totally screwed up Psycho Circus and forgot the words. At one point he was just making shit up. Again , Tommy on that one really demonstrates who played the solo the album version of P.C. Seeing KISS last night and in Rockford just last year were two different levels of this band.

KISS, thank you for the 40 plus years, but it's time to call it a day. Only reason I could see myself going to another KISS show at this point is if they play the Ace card.

A sad day for a lifelong KISS fan, Zombie really did blow KISS away last night.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I noticed the mass exodus and there were a lot less people after Rob Zombie. I like Zombie. I am not a huge fan and he blew KISS away. I told my son "there's no way KISS is going to be able to follow this." A lot of people headed for the exits during "Shock Me".
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BTW, this best KISS song of the day/night was Parasite and it was played by Anthrax.
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Over all I thought Paul sounded good, not great, but better than some of the shows I saw of this tour on YouTube. Gene and Eric sounded spot on. Longer list then I thought it would be since it was a festival which, is cool. They did not play IWMFLY, I know it gets a good response but not sure it would've gone over to well with this crowd. I was a little bummed people started leaving during PC and seemed like a lot left before the encore. Maybe that is because it was not a KISS only crowd?
I thought it was over all a pretty good set list, if I had any say I would of probably swapped out Fire House (great song) and Say Yeah with Unholy and Parasite, since this was more of a Metal crowd. Great show though, had a great time. Anthrax, Megadeth and Rob Zombie were great. Got my pic taken with Dave Ellefson of Megadeth.
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vdojaq wrote:After much debating, got a couple of bowl GA tickets and off I went. I had to close shop @ 6pm and then haul ass down tot Toyota Park. Got there and parked by 7:50. Megadeath was still on stage as we were walking in.

Keep in mind this isn't your typical KISS concert. This is/was an all day music festival, so the atmosphere and scene was quite different. Trust me, there were quite a few so blasted off drugs and/or alcohol that they never saw Zombie or KISS. I could of had a great time just people watching.

It was so packed up in the concourse that my wife and I said fuck it, we went in the Bob Uecker seats up top and settled in. Zombie came on right as scheduled 8:20 pm and played for an exact hour. He played his hits along with the Ramones and shit, well I forgot. I can tell you this, that crowd was there to see Zombie and he commanded that crowd that whole show. John 5 did a solo spot that should have melted Tommy's makeup. Zombie was great, his band was great and his presence was great. My 1st time seeing him live and was quite impressed. The mosh pits were fun to watch.

This is where I have to be brutally honest, and it is sad. Kiss played on a small set up on a huge stage. A festival type drum riser and some side screens with lots of pyro (pyro was needed). The drum riser was chained and went up & down. Much to my surprise, Gene did fly, and so did Paul. Both on set-ups I have never seen before. I have been to 50 plus KISS shows.

KISS came on about 15 minutes late because they couldn't get the video set ups correct. When the KISS curtain fell and there they were , the crowd was just silent. All the energy from Zombie was gone. The sound mix sounded like mono on the first 2 songs with Gene's muddled bass over powering everything. After the 1st two songs, the mass exodus of people began. Paul claimed 55,000 people. Nope, that's 55,000 sold for the whole festival(most of which are 3 day pass variety). It's a 20,000 seat soccer stadium, plus the in-field. A good guess of 30K for Zombie , by time KISS ended, 15K would be generous.

Paul's voice is now cartoonish and cringe worthy. He no longer commands the stage . Standing in one place wiggling your torso and arms is not the Paul we all once knew. Honestly it felt like Paul was phoning it in last night. On the other hand, Gene still can belt it out, but he is definitely singing in a different register. Tommy should be signing 3 songs and Eric at least 2 now. I honestly was saddened watching more and more people leave after each song finished. Eric is still the backbone driving this band. The show, the movements, everything is so predictable now that I found myself not enjoying it at times. I did however enjoy Flaming Youth, I Love It Loud, War Machine( Gene still never getting the 2nd verse correct, as usual there was no voice of reason and the arrows never did fly) Love Gun. Paul was horrible on Say Yeah, Eric saves that song with his vocals. Paul pulled a major Gene last night, totally screwed up Psycho Circus and forgot the words. At one point he was just making shit up. Again , Tommy on that one really demonstrates who played the solo the album version of P.C. Seeing KISS last night and in Rockford just last year were two different levels of this band.

KISS, thank you for the 40 plus years, but it's time to call it a day. Only reason I could see myself going to another KISS show at this point is if they play the Ace card.

A sad day for a lifelong KISS fan, Zombie really did blow KISS away last night.
Funny how we were at the same exact show and there was no way 15,000 people left before kiss came on , there was no " mass exodus " .... you are simply lying ....bottom line
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peopleselbow wrote:
vdojaq wrote:After much debating, got a couple of bowl GA tickets and off I went. I had to close shop @ 6pm and then haul ass down tot Toyota Park. Got there and parked by 7:50. Megadeath was still on stage as we were walking in.

Keep in mind this isn't your typical KISS concert. This is/was an all day music festival, so the atmosphere and scene was quite different. Trust me, there were quite a few so blasted off drugs and/or alcohol that they never saw Zombie or KISS. I could of had a great time just people watching.

It was so packed up in the concourse that my wife and I said fuck it, we went in the Bob Uecker seats up top and settled in. Zombie came on right as scheduled 8:20 pm and played for an exact hour. He played his hits along with the Ramones and shit, well I forgot. I can tell you this, that crowd was there to see Zombie and he commanded that crowd that whole show. John 5 did a solo spot that should have melted Tommy's makeup. Zombie was great, his band was great and his presence was great. My 1st time seeing him live and was quite impressed. The mosh pits were fun to watch.

This is where I have to be brutally honest, and it is sad. Kiss played on a small set up on a huge stage. A festival type drum riser and some side screens with lots of pyro (pyro was needed). The drum riser was chained and went up & down. Much to my surprise, Gene did fly, and so did Paul. Both on set-ups I have never seen before. I have been to 50 plus KISS shows.

KISS came on about 15 minutes late because they couldn't get the video set ups correct. When the KISS curtain fell and there they were , the crowd was just silent. All the energy from Zombie was gone. The sound mix sounded like mono on the first 2 songs with Gene's muddled bass over powering everything. After the 1st two songs, the mass exodus of people began. Paul claimed 55,000 people. Nope, that's 55,000 sold for the whole festival(most of which are 3 day pass variety). It's a 20,000 seat soccer stadium, plus the in-field. A good guess of 30K for Zombie , by time KISS ended, 15K would be generous.

Paul's voice is now cartoonish and cringe worthy. He no longer commands the stage . Standing in one place wiggling your torso and arms is not the Paul we all once knew. Honestly it felt like Paul was phoning it in last night. On the other hand, Gene still can belt it out, but he is definitely singing in a different register. Tommy should be signing 3 songs and Eric at least 2 now. I honestly was saddened watching more and more people leave after each song finished. Eric is still the backbone driving this band. The show, the movements, everything is so predictable now that I found myself not enjoying it at times. I did however enjoy Flaming Youth, I Love It Loud, War Machine( Gene still never getting the 2nd verse correct, as usual there was no voice of reason and the arrows never did fly) Love Gun. Paul was horrible on Say Yeah, Eric saves that song with his vocals. Paul pulled a major Gene last night, totally screwed up Psycho Circus and forgot the words. At one point he was just making shit up. Again , Tommy on that one really demonstrates who played the solo the album version of P.C. Seeing KISS last night and in Rockford just last year were two different levels of this band.

KISS, thank you for the 40 plus years, but it's time to call it a day. Only reason I could see myself going to another KISS show at this point is if they play the Ace card.

A sad day for a lifelong KISS fan, Zombie really did blow KISS away last night.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I noticed the mass exodus and there were a lot less people after Rob Zombie. I like Zombie. I am not a huge fan and he blew KISS away. I told my son "there's no way KISS is going to be able to follow this." A lot of people headed for the exits during "Shock Me".


" a lot of people headed to the exits during shock me " ...... also not true ...not sure what your all's agenda is , but none of this is true .
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The Man wrote:
peopleselbow wrote:
vdojaq wrote:After much debating, got a couple of bowl GA tickets and off I went. I had to close shop @ 6pm and then haul ass down tot Toyota Park. Got there and parked by 7:50. Megadeath was still on stage as we were walking in.

Keep in mind this isn't your typical KISS concert. This is/was an all day music festival, so the atmosphere and scene was quite different. Trust me, there were quite a few so blasted off drugs and/or alcohol that they never saw Zombie or KISS. I could of had a great time just people watching.

It was so packed up in the concourse that my wife and I said fuck it, we went in the Bob Uecker seats up top and settled in. Zombie came on right as scheduled 8:20 pm and played for an exact hour. He played his hits along with the Ramones and shit, well I forgot. I can tell you this, that crowd was there to see Zombie and he commanded that crowd that whole show. John 5 did a solo spot that should have melted Tommy's makeup. Zombie was great, his band was great and his presence was great. My 1st time seeing him live and was quite impressed. The mosh pits were fun to watch.

This is where I have to be brutally honest, and it is sad. Kiss played on a small set up on a huge stage. A festival type drum riser and some side screens with lots of pyro (pyro was needed). The drum riser was chained and went up & down. Much to my surprise, Gene did fly, and so did Paul. Both on set-ups I have never seen before. I have been to 50 plus KISS shows.

KISS came on about 15 minutes late because they couldn't get the video set ups correct. When the KISS curtain fell and there they were , the crowd was just silent. All the energy from Zombie was gone. The sound mix sounded like mono on the first 2 songs with Gene's muddled bass over powering everything. After the 1st two songs, the mass exodus of people began. Paul claimed 55,000 people. Nope, that's 55,000 sold for the whole festival(most of which are 3 day pass variety). It's a 20,000 seat soccer stadium, plus the in-field. A good guess of 30K for Zombie , by time KISS ended, 15K would be generous.

Paul's voice is now cartoonish and cringe worthy. He no longer commands the stage . Standing in one place wiggling your torso and arms is not the Paul we all once knew. Honestly it felt like Paul was phoning it in last night. On the other hand, Gene still can belt it out, but he is definitely singing in a different register. Tommy should be signing 3 songs and Eric at least 2 now. I honestly was saddened watching more and more people leave after each song finished. Eric is still the backbone driving this band. The show, the movements, everything is so predictable now that I found myself not enjoying it at times. I did however enjoy Flaming Youth, I Love It Loud, War Machine( Gene still never getting the 2nd verse correct, as usual there was no voice of reason and the arrows never did fly) Love Gun. Paul was horrible on Say Yeah, Eric saves that song with his vocals. Paul pulled a major Gene last night, totally screwed up Psycho Circus and forgot the words. At one point he was just making shit up. Again , Tommy on that one really demonstrates who played the solo the album version of P.C. Seeing KISS last night and in Rockford just last year were two different levels of this band.

KISS, thank you for the 40 plus years, but it's time to call it a day. Only reason I could see myself going to another KISS show at this point is if they play the Ace card.

A sad day for a lifelong KISS fan, Zombie really did blow KISS away last night.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I noticed the mass exodus and there were a lot less people after Rob Zombie. I like Zombie. I am not a huge fan and he blew KISS away. I told my son "there's no way KISS is going to be able to follow this." A lot of people headed for the exits during "Shock Me".


" a lot of people headed to the exits during shock me " ...... also not true ...not sure what your all's agenda is , but none of this is true .
Didn't see this show, but when I saw Kiss in May, Shock Me was the song when everyone went to get beer and/or a bathroom break.
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Several things come to mind in this thread
Paul will lie about attendance, He'll be on Tommy's ass for tweeting out a figure 20,000 below what he claimed. :lol: People's agendas will have the lie outright,only to not respond when someone else at the same show calls their bullshit and, CR,well he just continues his deep dive. I suspect Ole Spirit has somehow hacked his account . With Julian wanting to get off of the blacklist as part of his KISS Bucket list, a purging will happen.

Lastly, wasn't this the show that someone around here tried to claim wasn't selling at all a few months backs ?
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The Man wrote:
vdojaq wrote:After much debating, got a couple of bowl GA tickets and off I went. I had to close shop @ 6pm and then haul ass down tot Toyota Park. Got there and parked by 7:50. Megadeath was still on stage as we were walking in.

Keep in mind this isn't your typical KISS concert. This is/was an all day music festival, so the atmosphere and scene was quite different. Trust me, there were quite a few so blasted off drugs and/or alcohol that they never saw Zombie or KISS. I could of had a great time just people watching.

It was so packed up in the concourse that my wife and I said fuck it, we went in the Bob Uecker seats up top and settled in. Zombie came on right as scheduled 8:20 pm and played for an exact hour. He played his hits along with the Ramones and shit, well I forgot. I can tell you this, that crowd was there to see Zombie and he commanded that crowd that whole show. John 5 did a solo spot that should have melted Tommy's makeup. Zombie was great, his band was great and his presence was great. My 1st time seeing him live and was quite impressed. The mosh pits were fun to watch.

This is where I have to be brutally honest, and it is sad. Kiss played on a small set up on a huge stage. A festival type drum riser and some side screens with lots of pyro (pyro was needed). The drum riser was chained and went up & down. Much to my surprise, Gene did fly, and so did Paul. Both on set-ups I have never seen before. I have been to 50 plus KISS shows.

KISS came on about 15 minutes late because they couldn't get the video set ups correct. When the KISS curtain fell and there they were , the crowd was just silent. All the energy from Zombie was gone. The sound mix sounded like mono on the first 2 songs with Gene's muddled bass over powering everything. After the 1st two songs, the mass exodus of people began. Paul claimed 55,000 people. Nope, that's 55,000 sold for the whole festival(most of which are 3 day pass variety). It's a 20,000 seat soccer stadium, plus the in-field. A good guess of 30K for Zombie , by time KISS ended, 15K would be generous.

Paul's voice is now cartoonish and cringe worthy. He no longer commands the stage . Standing in one place wiggling your torso and arms is not the Paul we all once knew. Honestly it felt like Paul was phoning it in last night. On the other hand, Gene still can belt it out, but he is definitely singing in a different register. Tommy should be signing 3 songs and Eric at least 2 now. I honestly was saddened watching more and more people leave after each song finished. Eric is still the backbone driving this band. The show, the movements, everything is so predictable now that I found myself not enjoying it at times. I did however enjoy Flaming Youth, I Love It Loud, War Machine( Gene still never getting the 2nd verse correct, as usual there was no voice of reason and the arrows never did fly) Love Gun. Paul was horrible on Say Yeah, Eric saves that song with his vocals. Paul pulled a major Gene last night, totally screwed up Psycho Circus and forgot the words. At one point he was just making shit up. Again , Tommy on that one really demonstrates who played the solo the album version of P.C. Seeing KISS last night and in Rockford just last year were two different levels of this band.

KISS, thank you for the 40 plus years, but it's time to call it a day. Only reason I could see myself going to another KISS show at this point is if they play the Ace card.

A sad day for a lifelong KISS fan, Zombie really did blow KISS away last night.
Funny how we were at the same exact show and there was no way 15,000 people left before kiss came on , there was no " mass exodus " .... you are simply lying ....bottom line
Agreed. Actually after each set there was a mass exodus...to the restrooms and for some beer and food. I had a VIP ticket and during Zombie many of the seats in the VIP section were empty. It was completely packed for KISS. I'm not trying to downgrade Zombie - this was the first time I saw him and really enjoyed him. I have no agenda here. For me I completely enjoyed Megadeth, Zombie, and KISS - I didn't get to see any of the other acts.
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Let's look at some numbers derived while I was sitting between acts.

There were 14 sections that I counted that had actual seats (chair-like) in the "bowl" and were 20 seats to a row with 22 rows in each. At one point, these were all, or nearly all full. That totals 6,160 seats.

On the field were probably about 4,000 people at one point, being for Rob Zombie and at the start of KISS. The Toyota Park website says it handles 8,000 on the field. This brings the total to 10,160, and this does not take into account those sitting in the bleacher seats on the curves of the venue, at the very back or in the upper deck of the bowl - just the sideline views in the lower deck and the field.

The Toyota Park website says the lower bowl accommodates 17,500, and the total for a concert is 28,000. Based on the numbersabove, one might be able to extrapolate at least another 10,000 people (more or less) in those other areas of the lower bowl. The lower deck, for Zombie and at the start of KISS, was packed. The upper deck, all day, appeared to have very few people in it. I could only see one side, but if they were both half full on the upper deck, that's another 1,250 since the upper deck is supposed to hold 2,500 in total.

Some people did take a break at Shock Me. Read into it what you want, to me it's the half-way point of the set and most of the people leaving, not being die-hards, are getting thirsty or need to take leak. Most of them came back.

When people started leaving was after Rock And Roll All Nite. It wasn't immediately clear KISS was going to have encores. In fact, I was surprised, given there is likely a curfew, and they probably played well past it. Moreover, looking at tonight's and Sunday's headliners, the shows end around 10:30, so KISS playing that late after their confetti shower was probably confusing to the average festival goer. Add to it the sheer length of the day, and maybe some people decided to go home because they were tired. Some also have the mindset of wanting to get out early to beat traffic. Fair enough, but we got out of the parking lot relatively painlessly.

Recap:

Field Approx 4,000
Lower Bowl Approx 16,000
Upper Deck Approx 1,250

I would ballpark the attendance number could be between 20,000 to 22,000 on the whole day at its peak, whenever that may have been, give or take a few as I'm only estimating. Certainly not scientific by any stretch, just my personal observation, and of course, as the day went, the crowd grew. Anthrax and Megadeth certainly played to smaller crowds than Zombie and KISS.

BTW This date was competing with One Republic at Ravinia (3,500 seat pavilion and by some estimates in excess of 15,000 can be accommodated on their "lawn") and the Pitchfork Music Festival in Chicago.

For capacity info, see this site, scroll down to "Seating Capacity"....
https://www.toyotapark.com/a-to-z/
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Deuce1231 wrote:Let's look at some numbers derived while I was sitting between acts.

There were 14 sections that I counted that had actual seats (chair-like) in the "bowl" and were 20 seats to a row with 22 rows in each. At one point, these were all, or nearly all full. That totals 6,160 seats.

On the field were probably about 4,000 people at one point, being for Rob Zombie and at the start of KISS. The Toyota Park website says it handles 8,000 on the field. This brings the total to 10,160, and this does not take into account those sitting in the bleacher seats on the curves of the venue, at the very back or in the upper deck of the bowl - just the sideline views in the lower deck and the field.

The Toyota Park website says the lower bowl accommodates 17,500, and the total for a concert is 28,000. Based on the numbersabove, one might be able to extrapolate at least another 10,000 people (more or less) in those other areas of the lower bowl. The lower deck, for Zombie and at the start of KISS, was packed. The upper deck, all day, appeared to have very few people in it. I could only see one side, but if they were both half full on the upper deck, that's another 1,250 since the upper deck is supposed to hold 2,500 in total.

Some people did take a break at Shock Me. Read into it what you want, to me it's the half-way point of the set and most of the people leaving, not being die-hards, are getting thirsty or need to take leak. Most of them came back.

When people started leaving was after Rock And Roll All Nite. It wasn't immediately clear KISS was going to have encores. In fact, I was surprised, given there is likely a curfew, and they probably played well past it. Moreover, looking at tonight's and Sunday's headliners, the shows end around 10:30, so KISS playing that late after their confetti shower was probably confusing to the average festival goer. Add to it the sheer length of the day, and maybe some people decided to go home because they were tired. Some also have the mindset of wanting to get out early to beat traffic. Fair enough, but we got out of the parking lot relatively painlessly.

Recap:

Field Approx 4,000
Lower Bowl Approx 16,000
Upper Deck Approx 1,250

I would ballpark the attendance number could be between 20,000 to 22,000 on the whole day at its peak, whenever that may have been, give or take a few as I'm only estimating. Certainly not scientific by any stretch, just my personal observation, and of course, as the day went, the crowd grew. Anthrax and Megadeth certainly played to smaller crowds than Zombie and KISS.

BTW This date was competing with One Republic at Ravinia (3,500 seat pavilion and by some estimates in excess of 15,000 can be accommodated on their "lawn") and the Pitchfork Music Festival in Chicago.

For capacity info, see this site, scroll down to "Seating Capacity"....
https://www.toyotapark.com/a-to-z/
This is a far more accurate view on the event , In no way , shape or form did 15,000 people clear out after Rob Zombie was finished leaving in a " max Exodus " as a previous poster said . Kiss played to a big festival crowd and it was a good show . Straight up lying about everyone leaving and being " bored" during kiss is just head scratching because that definitely wasn't the case .
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Check out @KISSOnline's Tweet: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This does not look like a mass exodus to me.
What the fuck dude?
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vdojaq wrote:After much debating, got a couple of bowl GA tickets and off I went. I had to close shop @ 6pm and then haul ass down tot Toyota Park. Got there and parked by 7:50. Megadeath was still on stage as we were walking in.

Keep in mind this isn't your typical KISS concert. This is/was an all day music festival, so the atmosphere and scene was quite different. Trust me, there were quite a few so blasted off drugs and/or alcohol that they never saw Zombie or KISS. I could of had a great time just people watching.

It was so packed up in the concourse that my wife and I said fuck it, we went in the Bob Uecker seats up top and settled in. Zombie came on right as scheduled 8:20 pm and played for an exact hour. He played his hits along with the Ramones and shit, well I forgot. I can tell you this, that crowd was there to see Zombie and he commanded that crowd that whole show. John 5 did a solo spot that should have melted Tommy's makeup. Zombie was great, his band was great and his presence was great. My 1st time seeing him live and was quite impressed. The mosh pits were fun to watch.

This is where I have to be brutally honest, and it is sad. Kiss played on a small set up on a huge stage. A festival type drum riser and some side screens with lots of pyro (pyro was needed). The drum riser was chained and went up & down. Much to my surprise, Gene did fly, and so did Paul. Both on set-ups I have never seen before. I have been to 50 plus KISS shows.

KISS came on about 15 minutes late because they couldn't get the video set ups correct. When the KISS curtain fell and there they were , the crowd was just silent. All the energy from Zombie was gone. The sound mix sounded like mono on the first 2 songs with Gene's muddled bass over powering everything. After the 1st two songs, the mass exodus of people began. Paul claimed 55,000 people. Nope, that's 55,000 sold for the whole festival(most of which are 3 day pass variety). It's a 20,000 seat soccer stadium, plus the in-field. A good guess of 30K for Zombie , by time KISS ended, 15K would be generous.

Paul's voice is now cartoonish and cringe worthy. He no longer commands the stage . Standing in one place wiggling your torso and arms is not the Paul we all once knew. Honestly it felt like Paul was phoning it in last night. On the other hand, Gene still can belt it out, but he is definitely singing in a different register. Tommy should be signing 3 songs and Eric at least 2 now. I honestly was saddened watching more and more people leave after each song finished. Eric is still the backbone driving this band. The show, the movements, everything is so predictable now that I found myself not enjoying it at times. I did however enjoy Flaming Youth, I Love It Loud, War Machine( Gene still never getting the 2nd verse correct, as usual there was no voice of reason and the arrows never did fly) Love Gun. Paul was horrible on Say Yeah, Eric saves that song with his vocals. Paul pulled a major Gene last night, totally screwed up Psycho Circus and forgot the words. At one point he was just making shit up. Again , Tommy on that one really demonstrates who played the solo the album version of P.C. Seeing KISS last night and in Rockford just last year were two different levels of this band.

KISS, thank you for the 40 plus years, but it's time to call it a day. Only reason I could see myself going to another KISS show at this point is if they play the Ace card.

A sad day for a lifelong KISS fan, Zombie really did blow KISS away last night.
Funny how we were at the same exact show and there was no way 15,000 people left before kiss came on , there was no " mass exodus " .... you are simply lying ....bottom line
You must have some bad reading skills because that is NOT what I said. I said 30K with Zombie and 15K by the time KISS was finished. I NEVER said 15K left before KISS came on.
Stick it up your illiterate ass.
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vdojaq wrote:
The Man wrote:
vdojaq wrote:After much debating, got a couple of bowl GA tickets and off I went. I had to close shop @ 6pm and then haul ass down tot Toyota Park. Got there and parked by 7:50. Megadeath was still on stage as we were walking in.

Keep in mind this isn't your typical KISS concert. This is/was an all day music festival, so the atmosphere and scene was quite different. Trust me, there were quite a few so blasted off drugs and/or alcohol that they never saw Zombie or KISS. I could of had a great time just people watching.

It was so packed up in the concourse that my wife and I said fuck it, we went in the Bob Uecker seats up top and settled in. Zombie came on right as scheduled 8:20 pm and played for an exact hour. He played his hits along with the Ramones and shit, well I forgot. I can tell you this, that crowd was there to see Zombie and he commanded that crowd that whole show. John 5 did a solo spot that should have melted Tommy's makeup. Zombie was great, his band was great and his presence was great. My 1st time seeing him live and was quite impressed. The mosh pits were fun to watch.

This is where I have to be brutally honest, and it is sad. Kiss played on a small set up on a huge stage. A festival type drum riser and some side screens with lots of pyro (pyro was needed). The drum riser was chained and went up & down. Much to my surprise, Gene did fly, and so did Paul. Both on set-ups I have never seen before. I have been to 50 plus KISS shows.

KISS came on about 15 minutes late because they couldn't get the video set ups correct. When the KISS curtain fell and there they were , the crowd was just silent. All the energy from Zombie was gone. The sound mix sounded like mono on the first 2 songs with Gene's muddled bass over powering everything. After the 1st two songs, the mass exodus of people began. Paul claimed 55,000 people. Nope, that's 55,000 sold for the whole festival(most of which are 3 day pass variety). It's a 20,000 seat soccer stadium, plus the in-field. A good guess of 30K for Zombie , by time KISS ended, 15K would be generous.

Paul's voice is now cartoonish and cringe worthy. He no longer commands the stage . Standing in one place wiggling your torso and arms is not the Paul we all once knew. Honestly it felt like Paul was phoning it in last night. On the other hand, Gene still can belt it out, but he is definitely singing in a different register. Tommy should be signing 3 songs and Eric at least 2 now. I honestly was saddened watching more and more people leave after each song finished. Eric is still the backbone driving this band. The show, the movements, everything is so predictable now that I found myself not enjoying it at times. I did however enjoy Flaming Youth, I Love It Loud, War Machine( Gene still never getting the 2nd verse correct, as usual there was no voice of reason and the arrows never did fly) Love Gun. Paul was horrible on Say Yeah, Eric saves that song with his vocals. Paul pulled a major Gene last night, totally screwed up Psycho Circus and forgot the words. At one point he was just making shit up. Again , Tommy on that one really demonstrates who played the solo the album version of P.C. Seeing KISS last night and in Rockford just last year were two different levels of this band.

KISS, thank you for the 40 plus years, but it's time to call it a day. Only reason I could see myself going to another KISS show at this point is if they play the Ace card.

A sad day for a lifelong KISS fan, Zombie really did blow KISS away last night.
Funny how we were at the same exact show and there was no way 15,000 people left before kiss came on , there was no " mass exodus " .... you are simply lying ....bottom line
You must have some bad reading skills because that is NOT what I said. I said 30K with Zombie and 15K by the time KISS was finished. I NEVER said 15K left before KISS came on.
Stick it up your illiterate ass.
Quoting so you can't edit it when you think over how much you are overreacting. And frankly, I'll take deuce's sequence of events and take on the matter. Telling someone to "stick it up your illiterate ass" is pretty uncalled for, and I wouldn't be surprised if a mod gives you a temporary time out.
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peopleselbow wrote:
vdojaq wrote:After much debating, got a couple of bowl GA tickets and off I went. I had to close shop @ 6pm and then haul ass down tot Toyota Park. Got there and parked by 7:50. Megadeath was still on stage as we were walking in.

Keep in mind this isn't your typical KISS concert. This is/was an all day music festival, so the atmosphere and scene was quite different. Trust me, there were quite a few so blasted off drugs and/or alcohol that they never saw Zombie or KISS. I could of had a great time just people watching.

It was so packed up in the concourse that my wife and I said fuck it, we went in the Bob Uecker seats up top and settled in. Zombie came on right as scheduled 8:20 pm and played for an exact hour. He played his hits along with the Ramones and shit, well I forgot. I can tell you this, that crowd was there to see Zombie and he commanded that crowd that whole show. John 5 did a solo spot that should have melted Tommy's makeup. Zombie was great, his band was great and his presence was great. My 1st time seeing him live and was quite impressed. The mosh pits were fun to watch.

This is where I have to be brutally honest, and it is sad. Kiss played on a small set up on a huge stage. A festival type drum riser and some side screens with lots of pyro (pyro was needed). The drum riser was chained and went up & down. Much to my surprise, Gene did fly, and so did Paul. Both on set-ups I have never seen before. I have been to 50 plus KISS shows.

KISS came on about 15 minutes late because they couldn't get the video set ups correct. When the KISS curtain fell and there they were , the crowd was just silent. All the energy from Zombie was gone. The sound mix sounded like mono on the first 2 songs with Gene's muddled bass over powering everything. After the 1st two songs, the mass exodus of people began. Paul claimed 55,000 people. Nope, that's 55,000 sold for the whole festival(most of which are 3 day pass variety). It's a 20,000 seat soccer stadium, plus the in-field. A good guess of 30K for Zombie , by time KISS ended, 15K would be generous.

Paul's voice is now cartoonish and cringe worthy. He no longer commands the stage . Standing in one place wiggling your torso and arms is not the Paul we all once knew. Honestly it felt like Paul was phoning it in last night. On the other hand, Gene still can belt it out, but he is definitely singing in a different register. Tommy should be signing 3 songs and Eric at least 2 now. I honestly was saddened watching more and more people leave after each song finished. Eric is still the backbone driving this band. The show, the movements, everything is so predictable now that I found myself not enjoying it at times. I did however enjoy Flaming Youth, I Love It Loud, War Machine( Gene still never getting the 2nd verse correct, as usual there was no voice of reason and the arrows never did fly) Love Gun. Paul was horrible on Say Yeah, Eric saves that song with his vocals. Paul pulled a major Gene last night, totally screwed up Psycho Circus and forgot the words. At one point he was just making shit up. Again , Tommy on that one really demonstrates who played the solo the album version of P.C. Seeing KISS last night and in Rockford just last year were two different levels of this band.

KISS, thank you for the 40 plus years, but it's time to call it a day. Only reason I could see myself going to another KISS show at this point is if they play the Ace card.

A sad day for a lifelong KISS fan, Zombie really did blow KISS away last night.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I noticed the mass exodus and there were a lot less people after Rob Zombie. I like Zombie. I am not a huge fan and he blew KISS away. I told my son "there's no way KISS is going to be able to follow this." A lot of people headed for the exits during "Shock Me".


" a lot of people headed to the exits during shock me " ...... also not true ...not sure what your all's agenda is , but none of this is true .
There is no agenda here. If you were not sitting where we were sitting , you may not have been able see the same things we saw. If you choose to continue your allegiance with rose colored glasses, that's fine. I stand by every word said. As a life long KISS fan, of all line-ups, why would I just make shit up? It was quite sad to watch that crowd dwindle and dwindle. If you can't accept that, it's your own personal issue.
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Parallax1 wrote:Check out @KISSOnline's Tweet: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This does not look like a mass exodus to me.
What the fuck dude?
Image


Here's the image so you can click it and see a bigger version of what is in the tweet.
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Parallax1 wrote:Check out @KISSOnline's Tweet: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This does not look like a mass exodus to me.
What the fuck dude?
Paul said 55K
Kiss Online Said 35K
My educated guess was 30K. This being due to the fact that I attend Fire games and know what this place looks like with 20K for a soccer game. I am pretty confident with my 30K assessment.

That picture from KissOnline is is VERY deceiving, as it was taken at stage level with the field being 1/3 full, you cannot see the sea of empty behind the people. That field was asses to elbows and almost 3/4 full for Zombie and the end bowl was quite full. By the time Kiss was doing RARAN the field crowd was about even with the sound board and the end bowl was sparse.

I am a dipshit for not taking pictures, it would have been all the proof needed. I was high up, in the upper section. It was quite easy to see what exactly was going on and the crowd dwindling. If you were anywhere between the stage and the soundboard tent/Paul mini stage, your point of view would not allow you to see all of this.

I just had my wife read all of this and she shook her head saying they just don't have a clue as to what we saw.
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LordThurisaz wrote:
vdojaq wrote:
The Man wrote:
vdojaq wrote:After much debating, got a couple of bowl GA tickets and off I went. I had to close shop @ 6pm and then haul ass down tot Toyota Park. Got there and parked by 7:50. Megadeath was still on stage as we were walking in.

Keep in mind this isn't your typical KISS concert. This is/was an all day music festival, so the atmosphere and scene was quite different. Trust me, there were quite a few so blasted off drugs and/or alcohol that they never saw Zombie or KISS. I could of had a great time just people watching.

It was so packed up in the concourse that my wife and I said fuck it, we went in the Bob Uecker seats up top and settled in. Zombie came on right as scheduled 8:20 pm and played for an exact hour. He played his hits along with the Ramones and shit, well I forgot. I can tell you this, that crowd was there to see Zombie and he commanded that crowd that whole show. John 5 did a solo spot that should have melted Tommy's makeup. Zombie was great, his band was great and his presence was great. My 1st time seeing him live and was quite impressed. The mosh pits were fun to watch.

This is where I have to be brutally honest, and it is sad. Kiss played on a small set up on a huge stage. A festival type drum riser and some side screens with lots of pyro (pyro was needed). The drum riser was chained and went up & down. Much to my surprise, Gene did fly, and so did Paul. Both on set-ups I have never seen before. I have been to 50 plus KISS shows.

KISS came on about 15 minutes late because they couldn't get the video set ups correct. When the KISS curtain fell and there they were , the crowd was just silent. All the energy from Zombie was gone. The sound mix sounded like mono on the first 2 songs with Gene's muddled bass over powering everything. After the 1st two songs, the mass exodus of people began. Paul claimed 55,000 people. Nope, that's 55,000 sold for the whole festival(most of which are 3 day pass variety). It's a 20,000 seat soccer stadium, plus the in-field. A good guess of 30K for Zombie , by time KISS ended, 15K would be generous.

Paul's voice is now cartoonish and cringe worthy. He no longer commands the stage . Standing in one place wiggling your torso and arms is not the Paul we all once knew. Honestly it felt like Paul was phoning it in last night. On the other hand, Gene still can belt it out, but he is definitely singing in a different register. Tommy should be signing 3 songs and Eric at least 2 now. I honestly was saddened watching more and more people leave after each song finished. Eric is still the backbone driving this band. The show, the movements, everything is so predictable now that I found myself not enjoying it at times. I did however enjoy Flaming Youth, I Love It Loud, War Machine( Gene still never getting the 2nd verse correct, as usual there was no voice of reason and the arrows never did fly) Love Gun. Paul was horrible on Say Yeah, Eric saves that song with his vocals. Paul pulled a major Gene last night, totally screwed up Psycho Circus and forgot the words. At one point he was just making shit up. Again , Tommy on that one really demonstrates who played the solo the album version of P.C. Seeing KISS last night and in Rockford just last year were two different levels of this band.

KISS, thank you for the 40 plus years, but it's time to call it a day. Only reason I could see myself going to another KISS show at this point is if they play the Ace card.

A sad day for a lifelong KISS fan, Zombie really did blow KISS away last night.
Funny how we were at the same exact show and there was no way 15,000 people left before kiss came on , there was no " mass exodus " .... you are simply lying ....bottom line
You must have some bad reading skills because that is NOT what I said. I said 30K with Zombie and 15K by the time KISS was finished. I NEVER said 15K left before KISS came on.
Stick it up your illiterate ass.
Quoting so you can't edit it when you think over how much you are overreacting. And frankly, I'll take deuce's sequence of events and take on the matter. Telling someone to "stick it up your illiterate ass" is pretty uncalled for, and I wouldn't be surprised if a mod gives you a temporary time out.
So what? You called me a liar. So that's ok? I called you illiterate because you can't read and make stuff up to fit YOUR agenda.
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vdojaq wrote:
Parallax1 wrote:Check out @KISSOnline's Tweet: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This does not look like a mass exodus to me.
What the fuck dude?
Paul said 55K
Kiss Online Said 35K
My educated guess was 30K. This being due to the fact that I attend Fire games and know what this place looks like with 20K for a soccer game. I am pretty confident with my 30K assessment.

That picture from KissOnline is is VERY deceiving, as it was taken at stage level with the field being 1/3 full, you cannot see the sea of empty behind the people. That field was asses to elbows and almost 3/4 full for Zombie and the end bowl was quite full. By the time Kiss was doing RARAN the field crowd was about even with the sound board and the end bowl was sparse.

I am a dipshit for not taking pictures, it would have been all the proof needed. I was high up, in the upper section. It was quite easy to see what exactly was going on and the crowd dwindling. If you were anywhere between the stage and the soundboard tent/Paul mini stage, your point of view would not allow you to see all of this.

I just had my wife read all of this and she shook her head saying they just don't have a clue as to what we saw.
There was not a mass Exodus before or during Kiss ... Until After rock n roll all nite , Which I'm sure many thought was the end of the show ...
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LordThurisaz wrote:
Parallax1 wrote:Check out @KISSOnline's Tweet: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This does not look like a mass exodus to me.
What the fuck dude?
Image


Here's the image so you can click it and see a bigger version of what is in the tweet.
Take a real good look, you can see the end bowl has emptied. That field is approx 120 yards long, the sound boards is about 40 -45 yards out, it's about empty from the sound board back to the lower bowl. Again, quite deceiving. Look along the right side of the picture, you can make out some metal structure along the tops of the heads of the people in the field. That was a special on field section that was raised and actually had seats.
It was right next to the red you see on the right side of the field, those are the players benches, mid field right? There was 20-25 yards of empty from those seats and the back of the people that you cannot distinguish in that picture. I am telling the truth here. If you want to disagree fine. But anyone who wants to come out and say I have an agenda or I am a liar, I will hit you with facts and not conjecture.
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and the crowd sure as hell didnt loose nearly half the audience at any point between Zombie and the End of KISS ... once again this is a flat out lie .... IN fact the Audience was Bigger for Rob Zombie and KISS then at any other point during the day .
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peopleselbow wrote:
vdojaq wrote:After much debating, got a couple of bowl GA tickets and off I went. I had to close shop @ 6pm and then haul ass down tot Toyota Park. Got there and parked by 7:50. Megadeath was still on stage as we were walking in.

Keep in mind this isn't your typical KISS concert. This is/was an all day music festival, so the atmosphere and scene was quite different. Trust me, there were quite a few so blasted off drugs and/or alcohol that they never saw Zombie or KISS. I could of had a great time just people watching.

It was so packed up in the concourse that my wife and I said fuck it, we went in the Bob Uecker seats up top and settled in. Zombie came on right as scheduled 8:20 pm and played for an exact hour. He played his hits along with the Ramones and shit, well I forgot. I can tell you this, that crowd was there to see Zombie and he commanded that crowd that whole show. John 5 did a solo spot that should have melted Tommy's makeup. Zombie was great, his band was great and his presence was great. My 1st time seeing him live and was quite impressed. The mosh pits were fun to watch.

This is where I have to be brutally honest, and it is sad. Kiss played on a small set up on a huge stage. A festival type drum riser and some side screens with lots of pyro (pyro was needed). The drum riser was chained and went up & down. Much to my surprise, Gene did fly, and so did Paul. Both on set-ups I have never seen before. I have been to 50 plus KISS shows.

KISS came on about 15 minutes late because they couldn't get the video set ups correct. When the KISS curtain fell and there they were , the crowd was just silent. All the energy from Zombie was gone. The sound mix sounded like mono on the first 2 songs with Gene's muddled bass over powering everything. After the 1st two songs, the mass exodus of people began. Paul claimed 55,000 people. Nope, that's 55,000 sold for the whole festival(most of which are 3 day pass variety). It's a 20,000 seat soccer stadium, plus the in-field. A good guess of 30K for Zombie , by time KISS ended, 15K would be generous.

Paul's voice is now cartoonish and cringe worthy. He no longer commands the stage . Standing in one place wiggling your torso and arms is not the Paul we all once knew. Honestly it felt like Paul was phoning it in last night. On the other hand, Gene still can belt it out, but he is definitely singing in a different register. Tommy should be signing 3 songs and Eric at least 2 now. I honestly was saddened watching more and more people leave after each song finished. Eric is still the backbone driving this band. The show, the movements, everything is so predictable now that I found myself not enjoying it at times. I did however enjoy Flaming Youth, I Love It Loud, War Machine( Gene still never getting the 2nd verse correct, as usual there was no voice of reason and the arrows never did fly) Love Gun. Paul was horrible on Say Yeah, Eric saves that song with his vocals. Paul pulled a major Gene last night, totally screwed up Psycho Circus and forgot the words. At one point he was just making shit up. Again , Tommy on that one really demonstrates who played the solo the album version of P.C. Seeing KISS last night and in Rockford just last year were two different levels of this band.

KISS, thank you for the 40 plus years, but it's time to call it a day. Only reason I could see myself going to another KISS show at this point is if they play the Ace card.

A sad day for a lifelong KISS fan, Zombie really did blow KISS away last night.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I noticed the mass exodus and there were a lot less people after Rob Zombie. I like Zombie. I am not a huge fan and he blew KISS away. I told my son "there's no way KISS is going to be able to follow this." A lot of people headed for the exits during "Shock Me".
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vdojaq wrote:
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vdojaq wrote:After much debating, got a couple of bowl GA tickets and off I went. I had to close shop @ 6pm and then haul ass down tot Toyota Park. Got there and parked by 7:50. Megadeath was still on stage as we were walking in.

Keep in mind this isn't your typical KISS concert. This is/was an all day music festival, so the atmosphere and scene was quite different. Trust me, there were quite a few so blasted off drugs and/or alcohol that they never saw Zombie or KISS. I could of had a great time just people watching.

It was so packed up in the concourse that my wife and I said fuck it, we went in the Bob Uecker seats up top and settled in. Zombie came on right as scheduled 8:20 pm and played for an exact hour. He played his hits along with the Ramones and shit, well I forgot. I can tell you this, that crowd was there to see Zombie and he commanded that crowd that whole show. John 5 did a solo spot that should have melted Tommy's makeup. Zombie was great, his band was great and his presence was great. My 1st time seeing him live and was quite impressed. The mosh pits were fun to watch.

This is where I have to be brutally honest, and it is sad. Kiss played on a small set up on a huge stage. A festival type drum riser and some side screens with lots of pyro (pyro was needed). The drum riser was chained and went up & down. Much to my surprise, Gene did fly, and so did Paul. Both on set-ups I have never seen before. I have been to 50 plus KISS shows.

KISS came on about 15 minutes late because they couldn't get the video set ups correct. When the KISS curtain fell and there they were , the crowd was just silent. All the energy from Zombie was gone. The sound mix sounded like mono on the first 2 songs with Gene's muddled bass over powering everything. After the 1st two songs, the mass exodus of people began. Paul claimed 55,000 people. Nope, that's 55,000 sold for the whole festival(most of which are 3 day pass variety). It's a 20,000 seat soccer stadium, plus the in-field. A good guess of 30K for Zombie , by time KISS ended, 15K would be generous.

Paul's voice is now cartoonish and cringe worthy. He no longer commands the stage . Standing in one place wiggling your torso and arms is not the Paul we all once knew. Honestly it felt like Paul was phoning it in last night. On the other hand, Gene still can belt it out, but he is definitely singing in a different register. Tommy should be signing 3 songs and Eric at least 2 now. I honestly was saddened watching more and more people leave after each song finished. Eric is still the backbone driving this band. The show, the movements, everything is so predictable now that I found myself not enjoying it at times. I did however enjoy Flaming Youth, I Love It Loud, War Machine( Gene still never getting the 2nd verse correct, as usual there was no voice of reason and the arrows never did fly) Love Gun. Paul was horrible on Say Yeah, Eric saves that song with his vocals. Paul pulled a major Gene last night, totally screwed up Psycho Circus and forgot the words. At one point he was just making shit up. Again , Tommy on that one really demonstrates who played the solo the album version of P.C. Seeing KISS last night and in Rockford just last year were two different levels of this band.

KISS, thank you for the 40 plus years, but it's time to call it a day. Only reason I could see myself going to another KISS show at this point is if they play the Ace card.

A sad day for a lifelong KISS fan, Zombie really did blow KISS away last night.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I noticed the mass exodus and there were a lot less people after Rob Zombie. I like Zombie. I am not a huge fan and he blew KISS away. I told my son "there's no way KISS is going to be able to follow this." A lot of people headed for the exits during "Shock Me".
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The Man wrote:and the crowd sure as hell didnt loose nearly half the audience at any point between Zombie and the End of KISS ... once again this is a flat out lie .... IN fact the Audience was Bigger for Rob Zombie and KISS then at any other point during the day .
Dude, how much were you drinking? The largest crowd of the day was for Zombie, next was for KISS. Ok, serious question, where were you sitting or standing for KISS? Maybe you should learn the definition of a "lie" before you continue to insinuate that I am a liar.

Let me help you since you have already proven your comprehension skills are below par. A lie: a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.. Because you and I are having difference in opinions, does not make what I have said lies. Furthermore, I have given factual examples of where the crowds had swelled to and where they where towards the end of the show. Where are your examples to support your points other than no way, you have an agenda, and these are full out lies. Come up with some supporting facts for your position.
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vdojaq wrote:
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vdojaq wrote:After much debating, got a couple of bowl GA tickets and off I went. I had to close shop @ 6pm and then haul ass down tot Toyota Park. Got there and parked by 7:50. Megadeath was still on stage as we were walking in.

Keep in mind this isn't your typical KISS concert. This is/was an all day music festival, so the atmosphere and scene was quite different. Trust me, there were quite a few so blasted off drugs and/or alcohol that they never saw Zombie or KISS. I could of had a great time just people watching.

It was so packed up in the concourse that my wife and I said fuck it, we went in the Bob Uecker seats up top and settled in. Zombie came on right as scheduled 8:20 pm and played for an exact hour. He played his hits along with the Ramones and shit, well I forgot. I can tell you this, that crowd was there to see Zombie and he commanded that crowd that whole show. John 5 did a solo spot that should have melted Tommy's makeup. Zombie was great, his band was great and his presence was great. My 1st time seeing him live and was quite impressed. The mosh pits were fun to watch.

This is where I have to be brutally honest, and it is sad. Kiss played on a small set up on a huge stage. A festival type drum riser and some side screens with lots of pyro (pyro was needed). The drum riser was chained and went up & down. Much to my surprise, Gene did fly, and so did Paul. Both on set-ups I have never seen before. I have been to 50 plus KISS shows.

KISS came on about 15 minutes late because they couldn't get the video set ups correct. When the KISS curtain fell and there they were , the crowd was just silent. All the energy from Zombie was gone. The sound mix sounded like mono on the first 2 songs with Gene's muddled bass over powering everything. After the 1st two songs, the mass exodus of people began. Paul claimed 55,000 people. Nope, that's 55,000 sold for the whole festival(most of which are 3 day pass variety). It's a 20,000 seat soccer stadium, plus the in-field. A good guess of 30K for Zombie , by time KISS ended, 15K would be generous.

Paul's voice is now cartoonish and cringe worthy. He no longer commands the stage . Standing in one place wiggling your torso and arms is not the Paul we all once knew. Honestly it felt like Paul was phoning it in last night. On the other hand, Gene still can belt it out, but he is definitely singing in a different register. Tommy should be signing 3 songs and Eric at least 2 now. I honestly was saddened watching more and more people leave after each song finished. Eric is still the backbone driving this band. The show, the movements, everything is so predictable now that I found myself not enjoying it at times. I did however enjoy Flaming Youth, I Love It Loud, War Machine( Gene still never getting the 2nd verse correct, as usual there was no voice of reason and the arrows never did fly) Love Gun. Paul was horrible on Say Yeah, Eric saves that song with his vocals. Paul pulled a major Gene last night, totally screwed up Psycho Circus and forgot the words. At one point he was just making shit up. Again , Tommy on that one really demonstrates who played the solo the album version of P.C. Seeing KISS last night and in Rockford just last year were two different levels of this band.

KISS, thank you for the 40 plus years, but it's time to call it a day. Only reason I could see myself going to another KISS show at this point is if they play the Ace card.

A sad day for a lifelong KISS fan, Zombie really did blow KISS away last night.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I noticed the mass exodus and there were a lot less people after Rob Zombie. I like Zombie. I am not a huge fan and he blew KISS away. I told my son "there's no way KISS is going to be able to follow this." A lot of people headed for the exits during "Shock Me".
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vdojaq wrote:
The Man wrote:and the crowd sure as hell didnt loose nearly half the audience at any point between Zombie and the End of KISS ... once again this is a flat out lie .... IN fact the Audience was Bigger for Rob Zombie and KISS then at any other point during the day .
Dude, how much were you drinking? The largest crowd of the day was for Zombie, next was for KISS. Ok, serious question, where were you sitting or standing for KISS? Maybe you should learn the definition of a "lie" before you continue to insinuate that I am a liar.

Let me help you since you have already proven your comprehension skills are below par. A lie: a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.. Because you and I are having difference in opinions, does not make what I have said lies. Furthermore, I have given factual examples of where the crowds had swelled to and where they where towards the end of the show. Where are your examples to support your points other than no way, you have an agenda, and these are full out lies. Come up with some supporting facts for your position.
I was there Middle of Lower bowl , I don't need to give any examples , KIss Played and at no point did half the crowd leave between Kiss and Rob Zombie until after Rock N Roll all nite was done. I don't post on here often or have back and fourths because I find It daunting , But you are saying things that Simply did not happen no matter where I was Sitting I would have noticed a
mass exodus " of over half the crowd . It did not happen .
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vdojaq wrote:
The Man wrote:
vdojaq wrote:
peopleselbow wrote:
vdojaq wrote:After much debating, got a couple of bowl GA tickets and off I went. I had to close shop @ 6pm and then haul ass down tot Toyota Park. Got there and parked by 7:50. Megadeath was still on stage as we were walking in.

Keep in mind this isn't your typical KISS concert. This is/was an all day music festival, so the atmosphere and scene was quite different. Trust me, there were quite a few so blasted off drugs and/or alcohol that they never saw Zombie or KISS. I could of had a great time just people watching.

It was so packed up in the concourse that my wife and I said fuck it, we went in the Bob Uecker seats up top and settled in. Zombie came on right as scheduled 8:20 pm and played for an exact hour. He played his hits along with the Ramones and shit, well I forgot. I can tell you this, that crowd was there to see Zombie and he commanded that crowd that whole show. John 5 did a solo spot that should have melted Tommy's makeup. Zombie was great, his band was great and his presence was great. My 1st time seeing him live and was quite impressed. The mosh pits were fun to watch.

This is where I have to be brutally honest, and it is sad. Kiss played on a small set up on a huge stage. A festival type drum riser and some side screens with lots of pyro (pyro was needed). The drum riser was chained and went up & down. Much to my surprise, Gene did fly, and so did Paul. Both on set-ups I have never seen before. I have been to 50 plus KISS shows.

KISS came on about 15 minutes late because they couldn't get the video set ups correct. When the KISS curtain fell and there they were , the crowd was just silent. All the energy from Zombie was gone. The sound mix sounded like mono on the first 2 songs with Gene's muddled bass over powering everything. After the 1st two songs, the mass exodus of people began. Paul claimed 55,000 people. Nope, that's 55,000 sold for the whole festival(most of which are 3 day pass variety). It's a 20,000 seat soccer stadium, plus the in-field. A good guess of 30K for Zombie , by time KISS ended, 15K would be generous.

Paul's voice is now cartoonish and cringe worthy. He no longer commands the stage . Standing in one place wiggling your torso and arms is not the Paul we all once knew. Honestly it felt like Paul was phoning it in last night. On the other hand, Gene still can belt it out, but he is definitely singing in a different register. Tommy should be signing 3 songs and Eric at least 2 now. I honestly was saddened watching more and more people leave after each song finished. Eric is still the backbone driving this band. The show, the movements, everything is so predictable now that I found myself not enjoying it at times. I did however enjoy Flaming Youth, I Love It Loud, War Machine( Gene still never getting the 2nd verse correct, as usual there was no voice of reason and the arrows never did fly) Love Gun. Paul was horrible on Say Yeah, Eric saves that song with his vocals. Paul pulled a major Gene last night, totally screwed up Psycho Circus and forgot the words. At one point he was just making shit up. Again , Tommy on that one really demonstrates who played the solo the album version of P.C. Seeing KISS last night and in Rockford just last year were two different levels of this band.

KISS, thank you for the 40 plus years, but it's time to call it a day. Only reason I could see myself going to another KISS show at this point is if they play the Ace card.

A sad day for a lifelong KISS fan, Zombie really did blow KISS away last night.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I noticed the mass exodus and there were a lot less people after Rob Zombie. I like Zombie. I am not a huge fan and he blew KISS away. I told my son "there's no way KISS is going to be able to follow this." A lot of people headed for the exits during "Shock Me".
Hey man , we are liars and have agendas!
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The Man wrote:
vdojaq wrote:
The Man wrote:and the crowd sure as hell didnt loose nearly half the audience at any point between Zombie and the End of KISS ... once again this is a flat out lie .... IN fact the Audience was Bigger for Rob Zombie and KISS then at any other point during the day .
Dude, how much were you drinking? The largest crowd of the day was for Zombie, next was for KISS. Ok, serious question, where were you sitting or standing for KISS? Maybe you should learn the definition of a "lie" before you continue to insinuate that I am a liar.

Let me help you since you have already proven your comprehension skills are below par. A lie: a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.. Because you and I are having difference in opinions, does not make what I have said lies. Furthermore, I have given factual examples of where the crowds had swelled to and where they where towards the end of the show. Where are your examples to support your points other than no way, you have an agenda, and these are full out lies. Come up with some supporting facts for your position.
I was there Middle of Lower bowl , I don't need to give any examples , KIss Played and at no point did half the crowd leave between Kiss and Rob Zombie until after Rock N Roll all nite was done. I don't post on here often or have back and fourths because I find It daunting , But you are saying things that Simply did not happen no matter where I was Sitting I would have noticed a
mass exodus " of over half the crowd . It did not happen .
OK, leave it at that. You made your points , I made mine. The others can take that info and decide for themselves.
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The picture was taken after RRAN.

Many people made their way out during RRAN thinking it was the last song.

The pic shows a nice sized crowd, but doesn't show there are some missing people from before RRAN ended. For whatever reason they left, I covered some possible reasons in my prior post.
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Deuce1231 wrote:The picture was taken after RRAN.

Many people made their way out during RRAN thinking it was the last song.

The pic shows a nice sized crowd, but doesn't show there are some missing people from before RRAN ended. For whatever reason they left, I covered some possible reasons in my prior post.
Listen , I know you to be a decent dude on here and not going to start any sort of argument. But I know where you were sitting by your posts and it would be hard for you to see what we were seeing. We were upper deck, 1st row, towards the back. We saw everything.

But hey, we get another chance on Aug 20th!
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I'll also add, before this thread gets locked, that with a show as long as this day was, there is likely to be some attrition in the size of the crowd. And there was here, there's no denying it. To call it the extreme of "mass exodus" after Rob Zombie is absurd, just as it is to claim everyone stayed for the whole show.
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vdojaq wrote:
Deuce1231 wrote:The picture was taken after RRAN.

Many people made their way out during RRAN thinking it was the last song.

The pic shows a nice sized crowd, but doesn't show there are some missing people from before RRAN ended. For whatever reason they left, I covered some possible reasons in my prior post.
Listen , I know you to be a decent dude on here and not going to start any sort of argument. But I know where you were sitting by your posts and it would be hard for you to see what we were seeing. We were upper deck, 1st row, towards the back. We saw everything.

But hey, we get another chance on Aug 20th!
I'm actually siding with you that the crowd thinned out, but I wouldn't say by half before KISS. The majority of who left did so after RRAN.
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Deuce1231 wrote:
vdojaq wrote:
Deuce1231 wrote:The picture was taken after RRAN.

Many people made their way out during RRAN thinking it was the last song.

The pic shows a nice sized crowd, but doesn't show there are some missing people from before RRAN ended. For whatever reason they left, I covered some possible reasons in my prior post.
Listen , I know you to be a decent dude on here and not going to start any sort of argument. But I know where you were sitting by your posts and it would be hard for you to see what we were seeing. We were upper deck, 1st row, towards the back. We saw everything.

But hey, we get another chance on Aug 20th!
I'm actually siding with you that the crowd thinned out, but I wouldn't say by half before KISS. The majority of who left did so after RRAN.
But wait, I NEVER said half before KISS I said 30K with Zombie on stage and 15K by the END of KISS. That other dude was twisting my words for his liking. There was certainly less of a crowd at the start of KISS than there was for the end of Zombie, but I agree, absolutely not half. But by the end of KISS? It was half of what Zombie had. I should stand corrected by using the term mass exodus, as that is an over exaggeration. However, after SIOL we started seeing "steady streams" of people leaving and it was continuous throughout until the end of the show. The infield from the front of the sound board to the stage remained packed until the very end , but that was the only place that did so.
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Deuce1231 wrote:I'll also add, before this thread gets locked, that with a show as long as this day was, there is likely to be some attrition in the size of the crowd. And there was here, there's no denying it. To call it the extreme of "mass exodus" after Rob Zombie is absurd, just as it is to claim everyone stayed for the whole show.
At the end of the bowl, you should have seen the people passed out behind the concession stands, in the grass. It was hilarious. Watched a very drunk girl, who was quite obnoxious, fall and roll all the way down.
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vdojaq wrote:
The Man wrote:
vdojaq wrote:
The Man wrote:and the crowd sure as hell didnt loose nearly half the audience at any point between Zombie and the End of KISS ... once again this is a flat out lie .... IN fact the Audience was Bigger for Rob Zombie and KISS then at any other point during the day .
Dude, how much were you drinking? The largest crowd of the day was for Zombie, next was for KISS. Ok, serious question, where were you sitting or standing for KISS? Maybe you should learn the definition of a "lie" before you continue to insinuate that I am a liar.

Let me help you since you have already proven your comprehension skills are below par. A lie: a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.. Because you and I are having difference in opinions, does not make what I have said lies. Furthermore, I have given factual examples of where the crowds had swelled to and where they where towards the end of the show. Where are your examples to support your points other than no way, you have an agenda, and these are full out lies. Come up with some supporting facts for your position.
I was there Middle of Lower bowl , I don't need to give any examples , KIss Played and at no point did half the crowd leave between Kiss and Rob Zombie until after Rock N Roll all nite was done. I don't post on here often or have back and fourths because I find It daunting , But you are saying things that Simply did not happen no matter where I was Sitting I would have noticed a
mass exodus " of over half the crowd . It did not happen .
OK, leave it at that. You made your points , I made mine. The others can take that info and decide for themselves.
The info I took from this back and forth between you and The Man didn't shine the best light on you. No offense, but I think you owe him an apology for some of the inane, reckless things you said. I think there were much better ways to prove your points than to resort to telling him to "stick it up his illiterate ass" and "Will mom let you out of the basement for the Aurora show too there junior?" I don't know how you thought that'd win you any points in this back and forth, but it certainly wasn't the best move in this chess game.

And I don't care to have any sort of back and forth with you. I'm just pointing out that this sort of behavior will eventually lead to you getting a temp or permaban if you aren't careful. Just a heads up.
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Deuce1231 wrote:The picture was taken after RRAN.

Many people made their way out during RRAN thinking it was the last song.

The pic shows a nice sized crowd, but doesn't show there are some missing people from before RRAN ended. For whatever reason they left, I covered some possible reasons in my prior post.
If I was there, I'd assume RARAN was the last, or close to the last song, and make it outta there because the entire venue files out.
Deuce1231 wrote:I'll also add, before this thread gets locked, that with a show as long as this day was, there is likely to be some attrition in the size of the crowd. And there was here, there's no denying it. To call it the extreme of "mass exodus" after Rob Zombie is absurd, just as it is to claim everyone stayed for the whole show.
I don't know who came up with the 15k estimation, but that's where the absurdity level creeps it's head in the door.
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LordThurisaz wrote:
vdojaq wrote:
The Man wrote:
vdojaq wrote:
The Man wrote:and the crowd sure as hell didnt loose nearly half the audience at any point between Zombie and the End of KISS ... once again this is a flat out lie .... IN fact the Audience was Bigger for Rob Zombie and KISS then at any other point during the day .
Dude, how much were you drinking? The largest crowd of the day was for Zombie, next was for KISS. Ok, serious question, where were you sitting or standing for KISS? Maybe you should learn the definition of a "lie" before you continue to insinuate that I am a liar.

Let me help you since you have already proven your comprehension skills are below par. A lie: a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.. Because you and I are having difference in opinions, does not make what I have said lies. Furthermore, I have given factual examples of where the crowds had swelled to and where they where towards the end of the show. Where are your examples to support your points other than no way, you have an agenda, and these are full out lies. Come up with some supporting facts for your position.
I was there Middle of Lower bowl , I don't need to give any examples , KIss Played and at no point did half the crowd leave between Kiss and Rob Zombie until after Rock N Roll all nite was done. I don't post on here often or have back and fourths because I find It daunting , But you are saying things that Simply did not happen no matter where I was Sitting I would have noticed a
mass exodus " of over half the crowd . It did not happen .
OK, leave it at that. You made your points , I made mine. The others can take that info and decide for themselves.
The info I took from this back and forth between you and The Man didn't shine the best light on you. No offense, but I think you owe him an apology for some of the inane, reckless things you said. I think there were much better ways to prove your points than to resort to telling him to "stick it up his illiterate ass" and "Will mom let you out of the basement for the Aurora show too there junior?" I don't know how you thought that'd win you any points in this back and forth, but it certainly wasn't the best move in this chess game.

And I don't care to have any sort of back and forth with you. I'm just pointing out that this sort of behavior will eventually lead to you getting a temp or permaban if you aren't careful. Just a heads up.
He twisted my words and then called me a liar. When called a liar, I have every right to defend myself. I don't take back what I said, he can stick it where the sun don't shine. On the other side, I agree, the Mom and the basement comment was harsh. That I can, and I do apologize to The Man.
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LordThurisaz wrote:
Deuce1231 wrote:The picture was taken after RRAN.

Many people made their way out during RRAN thinking it was the last song.

The pic shows a nice sized crowd, but doesn't show there are some missing people from before RRAN ended. For whatever reason they left, I covered some possible reasons in my prior post.
If I was there, I'd assume RARAN was the last, or close to the last song, and make it outta there because the entire venue files out.
Deuce1231 wrote:I'll also add, before this thread gets locked, that with a show as long as this day was, there is likely to be some attrition in the size of the crowd. And there was here, there's no denying it. To call it the extreme of "mass exodus" after Rob Zombie is absurd, just as it is to claim everyone stayed for the whole show.
I don't know who came up with the 15k estimation, but that's where the absurdity level creeps it's head in the door.
If you were not there, how can you consider it absurd?
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LordThurisaz wrote:
Deuce1231 wrote:The picture was taken after RRAN.

Many people made their way out during RRAN thinking it was the last song.

The pic shows a nice sized crowd, but doesn't show there are some missing people from before RRAN ended. For whatever reason they left, I covered some possible reasons in my prior post.
If I was there, I'd assume RARAN was the last, or close to the last song, and make it outta there because the entire venue files out.
Deuce1231 wrote:I'll also add, before this thread gets locked, that with a show as long as this day was, there is likely to be some attrition in the size of the crowd. And there was here, there's no denying it. To call it the extreme of "mass exodus" after Rob Zombie is absurd, just as it is to claim everyone stayed for the whole show.
I don't know who came up with the 15k estimation, but that's where the absurdity level creeps it's head in the door.
If you were not there, how can you consider it absurd?
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OK, I have no agenda here. I am stating what I saw.

This was my 25th time seeing KISS. Every time they play here, Paul always has to bring up the Aragon Ballroom. When he does this, I think to myself "I had to travel to Milwaukee on the Animalize Tour because you couldn't sell enough tickets here. "

Anyway, Rob Zombie blew KISS away. We were on the field for Anthrax and Megadeth and in the seats for Zombie and KISS. The crowd was significantly smaller for KISS. The twitter pic is quite deceiving and yes, I saw quite a few people leave during "Shock Me".

The crowd argument here ignores that fact that the band was not good. Rob Zombie had a very simple formula for a great show. Awesome stage effects, a lead singer that was energetic and a guitar player that had great stage presence and an amazing player. KISS used to have these elements. Last night I saw a singer who used to move around and have a strong voice and a band that barely moved.

Again, KISS is one of my favorite bands. To me, Rob Zombie is average but I have to tell the truth. Rob Zombie blew KISS off the stage.
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Deuce1231 wrote:Let's look at some numbers derived while I was sitting between acts.

There were 14 sections that I counted that had actual seats (chair-like) in the "bowl" and were 20 seats to a row with 22 rows in each. At one point, these were all, or nearly all full. That totals 6,160 seats.

On the field were probably about 4,000 people at one point, being for Rob Zombie and at the start of KISS. The Toyota Park website says it handles 8,000 on the field. This brings the total to 10,160, and this does not take into account those sitting in the bleacher seats on the curves of the venue, at the very back or in the upper deck of the bowl - just the sideline views in the lower deck and the field.

The Toyota Park website says the lower bowl accommodates 17,500, and the total for a concert is 28,000. Based on the numbersabove, one might be able to extrapolate at least another 10,000 people (more or less) in those other areas of the lower bowl. The lower deck, for Zombie and at the start of KISS, was packed. The upper deck, all day, appeared to have very few people in it. I could only see one side, but if they were both half full on the upper deck, that's another 1,250 since the upper deck is supposed to hold 2,500 in total.

Some people did take a break at Shock Me. Read into it what you want, to me it's the half-way point of the set and most of the people leaving, not being die-hards, are getting thirsty or need to take leak. Most of them came back.

When people started leaving was after Rock And Roll All Nite. It wasn't immediately clear KISS was going to have encores. In fact, I was surprised, given there is likely a curfew, and they probably played well past it. Moreover, looking at tonight's and Sunday's headliners, the shows end around 10:30, so KISS playing that late after their confetti shower was probably confusing to the average festival goer. Add to it the sheer length of the day, and maybe some people decided to go home because they were tired. Some also have the mindset of wanting to get out early to beat traffic. Fair enough, but we got out of the parking lot relatively painlessly.

Recap:

Field Approx 4,000
Lower Bowl Approx 16,000
Upper Deck Approx 1,250

I would ballpark the attendance number could be between 20,000 to 22,000 on the whole day at its peak, whenever that may have been, give or take a few as I'm only estimating. Certainly not scientific by any stretch, just my personal observation, and of course, as the day went, the crowd grew. Anthrax and Megadeth certainly played to smaller crowds than Zombie and KISS.

BTW This date was competing with One Republic at Ravinia (3,500 seat pavilion and by some estimates in excess of 15,000 can be accommodated on their "lawn") and the Pitchfork Music Festival in Chicago.

For capacity info, see this site, scroll down to "Seating Capacity"....
https://www.toyotapark.com/a-to-z/
I was not expecting an encore either when I looked at the schedule. I figured there was a curfew. We almost got up and left but then saw the logo flashing so told my brother to wait a minute. That's why I was surprised that they played that many songs on a festival show. I had a good time, got sunburned really bad though. Should of brought a hat, lol.
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I don't get why some are getting so butthurt over this thread. They're opinions, folks. People are in different areas of a venue, and have their own perspectives. They're not "agendas" or "fake news," just fucking opinions, each as valid as another for those present.
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bassmansteiny wrote:I was not expecting an encore either when I looked at the schedule. I figured there was a curfew. We almost got up and left but then saw the logo flashing so told my brother to wait a minute. That's why I was surprised that they played that many songs on a festival show. I had a good time, got sunburned really bad though. Should of brought a hat, lol.
Sunburns are no joke, man. I suggest some sunscreen for the arms and neck, and at least a baseball hat facing forward for the face.
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OK. I was there too. Up in the stands. Speaking floor section only, at least half the floor was empty the whole time I was there. Megadeth, Zombie, KISS, whatever. People were coming and going constantly. During KISS, there was a small steady exodus throughout the show, regardless of what they were playing, but I'm not sure it's anything more than being the last band and some people wanting to get a jump on the BRUTAL traffic. Part of my party watched the last few songs from the concourse so they could bolt quicker. There was a significant departure after RARAN as people have said because it looked like the end of the show.

As my 13th KISS SHOW they were in fine form. It was a bit of a mistake to follow Zombie simply from a technological angle. He does the same type of thing in a more modern way. To a first time watcher of both acts Zombie might have been more impressive.

There is really nothing deep to extrapolate from the event and its happenings, in my opinion, regardless of which side of the aisle you sit on.
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Boy, that place looks empty.

From what I've heard from somebody else that was there, folks were enjoying Zombie but happy to stay well back and chilled until the main event. Once KISS were due on, they made their way closer to the stage to soak up the fun and the spectacle.

But yeah, 35,000 people were there, of which 25,000 paid to watch Zombie, 10,000 others thought Ace was still in the band, 5,000 came to boo Tommy, 10 were disaffected FAQ members who thought there were too many logos on stage. This means of the 35,000 people who were there, over 40,000 didn't enjoy it.

Get your arms down people in that photo, it's over. Rock, and KISS, is dead.
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Where's Drago? wrote:Image

Boy, that place looks empty.

From what I've heard from somebody else that was there, folks were enjoying Zombie but happy to stay well back and chilled until the main event. Once KISS were due on, they made their way closer to the stage to soak up the fun and the spectacle.

But yeah, 35,000 people were there, of which 25,000 paid to watch Zombie, 10,000 others thought Ace was still in the band, 5,000 came to boo Tommy, 10 were disaffected FAQ members who thought there were too many logos on stage. This means of the 35,000 people who were there, over 40,000 didn't enjoy it.

Get your arms down people in that photo, it's over. Rock, and KISS, is dead.
All I have to say is I wish that same angle picture was taken for Zombie as well.

I don't think any of you realize how frickin sad it was for me to see and report what was happening, but it needed to be said.

I want to demonstrate how deceiving this KissOnline crowd photo is. I will use the inauguration photos to show my point
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LordThurisaz wrote:
bassmansteiny wrote:I was not expecting an encore either when I looked at the schedule. I figured there was a curfew. We almost got up and left but then saw the logo flashing so told my brother to wait a minute. That's why I was surprised that they played that many songs on a festival show. I had a good time, got sunburned really bad though. Should of brought a hat, lol.
Sunburns are no joke, man. I suggest some sunscreen for the arms and neck, and at least a baseball hat facing forward for the face.
Yep, it sucks! In my excitement did not think of any of that. Plus I thought after checking the weather the other day that we would be lucky, if it did not rain. Was expecting overcast day. Next time I am bringing a hat and small bottle of sunscreen.
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vdojaq wrote:
Where's Drago? wrote:Image

Boy, that place looks empty.

From what I've heard from somebody else that was there, folks were enjoying Zombie but happy to stay well back and chilled until the main event. Once KISS were due on, they made their way closer to the stage to soak up the fun and the spectacle.

But yeah, 35,000 people were there, of which 25,000 paid to watch Zombie, 10,000 others thought Ace was still in the band, 5,000 came to boo Tommy, 10 were disaffected FAQ members who thought there were too many logos on stage. This means of the 35,000 people who were there, over 40,000 didn't enjoy it.

Get your arms down people in that photo, it's over. Rock, and KISS, is dead.
All I have to say is I wish that same angle picture was taken for Zombie as well.

I don't think any of you realize how frickin sad it was for me to see and report what was happening, but it needed to be said.

I want to demonstrate how deceiving this KissOnline crowd photo is. I will use the inauguration photos to show my point
Pretty sure the first photo to "prove your point" is from when they first started filling in. Fake news.
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