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Smekaren wrote:
Ikons wrote:So the setlist was exactly the same as the Laughlin show? So much for surprises.
They can't use that setlist in Moscow because they played it at a casino in Laughlin once? :lol:
They can use whatever they want, but it proves that their "we've got surprises in store!" rhetoric is bullshit once again. Hide Your Heart is not a surprise.
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black diamond wrote:
Ikons wrote:So the setlist was exactly the same as the Laughlin show? So much for surprises.
So Flaming Youth and Hide Your Heart are still in the setlist? Great!
I think so. The setlist.fm page isn't fully updated because Shout it Out Loud isn't there.
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No Flaming Youth or Hide Your Heart but I Was Made for Lovin' You is back though :|


http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/kiss/2017 ... 66cb7.html
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Oh christ, Crazy Nights and IWMFLY? How did they sound?
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tolvis wrote:More Love gun with intro. Struggling.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BTjvpu2DZAY/

OMG, poor Paul. Can his voice get any worse than that? :(
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BlairC42 wrote:No Flaming Youth or Hide Your Heart but I Was Made for Lovin' You is back though :|


http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/kiss/2017 ... 66cb7.html
23 edits and no SIOL, even though we saw a video of it here!

I do hope Flaming Youth comes back.
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It appears that Love Gun, and IWMFLY replaced Flaming Youth, and Hide your heart from the Laughlin setlist. Shout it out loud was either second, or third. That would give them 17 songs. Setlist fm probably just missed Shout it out loud. If that is the case it is too bad. I was really hoping Love Gun, and IWMFLY were going to dropped permanently ( even though I know that will never happen).
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tazchris wrote:It appears that Love Gun, and IWMFLY replaced Flaming Youth, and Hide your heart from the Laughlin setlist. Shout it out loud was either second, or third. That would give them 17 songs. Setlist fm probably just missed Shout it out loud. If that is the case it is too bad. I was really hoping Love Gun, and IWMFLY were going to dropped permanently ( even though I know that will never happen).
IWMFLY will always get a reaction no matter how bad Paul screeches his way through it. People are just happy that they recognize a song.
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Ikons wrote:
BlairC42 wrote:No Flaming Youth or Hide Your Heart but I Was Made for Lovin' You is back though :|


http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/kiss/2017 ... 66cb7.html
23 edits and no SIOL, even though we saw a video of it here!

I do hope Flaming Youth comes back.
I agree I would'nt mind hearing Flaming Youth also, hope it's back in the setlist for Casino Rama date! :)
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I would like to see Paul bring back Strutter, and C'mon and love. I think they are easier for him to sing, and at least they have great riffs even if he struggles to sing them.
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BlairC42 wrote:No Flaming Youth or Hide Your Heart but I Was Made for Lovin' You is back though :|


http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/kiss/2017 ... 66cb7.html
Noooo! I was looking forward to Flaming Youth. Bring It Back!
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This guy proposed at the show

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tolvis wrote:More Love gun with intro. Struggling.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BTjvpu2DZAY/

Absolutely Cringeworthy.
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I never thought I'd say this but, God, how I miss "Beth". :( :( :( :flower:
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Can someone please post a photo of the merchandise?

Thank you!
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Ikons wrote:This guy proposed at the show

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Probably their reaction to Love Gun.
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thunderwing wrote:
Ikons wrote:This guy proposed at the show

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Probably their reaction to Love Gun.
OUCH!!! :( :( :( :flower:
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Ikons wrote:This guy proposed at the show

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No snarkiness. I'm truly happy for them.
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Just check back at Setlist.fm and Flaming Youth was played!

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/kiss/2017 ... 66cb7.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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thunderwing wrote:Oh christ, Crazy Nights and IWMFLY? How did they sound?

Its 42 years later for goodness sake and to judge by a distorted facebook live cellphone view is just super bias
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Crown Royal wrote:
thunderwing wrote:Oh christ, Crazy Nights and IWMFLY? How did they sound?

Its 42 years later for goodness sake and to judge by a distorted facebook live cellphone view is just super bias
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BlairC42 wrote:Just check back at Setlist.fm and Flaming Youth was played!

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/kiss/2017 ... 66cb7.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nice! Thanks! Now, keep it!
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Here's the whole of Love Gun: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And here's Deuce: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Firehouse: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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This was an exceptionally bad night for Paul. Firehouse is not a hard song to sing and he still ruined it.
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KissAlive35_09 wrote:
Crown Royal wrote:
thunderwing wrote:Oh christ, Crazy Nights and IWMFLY? How did they sound?

Its 42 years later for goodness sake and to judge by a distorted facebook live cellphone view is just super bias
:salut:
I can understand young people nowdays putting up with sub par performances, it's the norm.... When you've seen Kiss from the start almost every tour and compare to what's on offer now, there's no comparison. No amount of big screen and pyro will bring the energy back or the voices. It's what you allow yourself to accept that's important to the individual. Having been to every tour bar the last two, there's not much difference in Paul's voice on these clips than actually being there this past few years. Bad is bad. You cannot cherry pick distortion. I can hear good guitars and Gene's voice is not bad, it's been worse but I can see the king has no clothes even if others can't. Each to their own.... Firehouse and Crazy Nights... really?
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Crazy Crazy Nights: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

War Machine: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Part of DRC: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Was hoping for Hide Your Heart to be played on the Euro tour. Fits Paul's voice and it hasn't been played on this side of the ocean.
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L1 wrote:Here's the whole of Love Gun: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And here's Deuce: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Firehouse: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That 'Deuce' choreography still gets me...
They look great here, as does the stage - and with Gene singing, they sound great too...
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tomwabe wrote:
L1 wrote:Here's the whole of Love Gun: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And here's Deuce: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Firehouse: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That 'Deuce' choreography still gets me...
They look great here, as does the stage - and with Gene singing, they sound great too...
That was one of the best closing RARAN I've ever seen....
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Ikons wrote:This was an exceptionally bad night for Paul. Firehouse is not a hard song to sing and he still ruined it.
Shame. I only checked out a couple clips of the two recent casino shows, but it sounded like Paul was doing much better. He wasn't pushing himself as hard and while not as energetic, he had much better control of his voice. To hear about how bad this show was (haven't gotten around to checking out the clips yet), is more than a little disappointing.
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Show's up on Dime.
Nice recording. Flaming Youth https://yadi.sk/d/mcc9K3vd3HXKkv" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Den Dennis wrote:Show's up on Dime.
Nice recording. Flaming Youth https://yadi.sk/d/mcc9K3vd3HXKkv" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wow.

You know, bless them for breaking this gem out, but for god sakes, Paul is toast.

Listen to this. Gene and Eric save it from being a total train wreck with their backing vocals.

Paul, please. If you don't care about your legacy others still do.
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So Paul is flying during Psycho Circus now.

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Wow. There has to be some serious discussion goin on about calling it a day within the next year. It's not just a matter of how bad it sounds, it's a matter of doing permanent damage to your speaking voice,let alone your singing voice. Pride sure is a killer.
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AceInTheHole wrote:
tolvis wrote:More Love gun with intro. Struggling.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BTjvpu2DZAY/

Absolutely Cringeworthy.
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Ikons wrote:This was an exceptionally bad night for Paul. Firehouse is not a hard song to sing and he still ruined it.
Jesus H. Christ(tm) on a unicorn it's beyond cringe worthy! Man, ego is a terrible thing.
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Tommyr wrote:
AceInTheHole wrote:
tolvis wrote:More Love gun with intro. Struggling.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BTjvpu2DZAY/

Absolutely Cringeworthy.
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Now I'm no expert by any means but do you think Paul's vocals issues today has anything to do with Jet-leg or in a different time zone. cos a few weeks ago Paul sounded ok to decent?
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BlairC42 wrote:Now I'm no expert by any means but do you think Paul's vocals issues today has anything to do with Jet-leg or in a different time zone. cos a few weeks ago Paul sounded ok to decent?
Paul has not sounded decent in years. His vocal cords are SHOT TO SHIT.
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BlairC42 wrote:Now I'm no expert by any means but do you think Paul's vocals issues today has anything to do with Jet-leg or in a different time zone. cos a few weeks ago Paul sounded ok to decent?
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I've only watched Deuce....part of RARAN and part of Love Gun so far. I'm glad that they have the platform back lowering them to the stage at the start of the show....but it looks kinda dark as if more lights should've been on them? The picker lifts at the end of RARAN seem to go forever with silence as Paul watches kinda confused and waits...lol. As for Love Gun....ugh. Tough to listen to that, even with an open mind. :(
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Definitely new cherry pickers too. I dig them. They appear massive.
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As usual the vultures hover over the keyboards. The crowd seemed right into this and HUGE, the videos display that Paul's vocals are on par with performances since Alive 35. So two things remain the same, Paul's vocals, large crowds.
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drgbootz wrote:As usual the vultures hover over the keyboards.
Did you expect anything else on opening night of a new tour? :lol:
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drgbootz wrote:The crowd seemed right into this and HUGE, the videos display that Paul's vocals are on par with performances since Alive 35. So two things remain the same, Paul's vocals, large crowds.
Agreed.
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drgbootz wrote:As usual the vultures hover over the keyboards. The crowd seemed right into this and HUGE, the videos display that Paul's vocals are on par with performances since Alive 35. So two things remain the same, Paul's vocals, large crowds.
I guess you missed the crowds they've been playing to in the U.S.
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This Could Easily be fixed , I've said it a billion times

Have Paul Do

DRC
his Part of SOL
Hide your heart ( he handles well) or say yeah
Love Gun
Lick it up
and the Opening to black diamond Spread them out throughout the Set
Add more songs for Tommy and Eric and Add a Gene song or two
Paul Would Still have enough Time on the mic and it would be spread out enough to not have him get lost in the show .
They Could Easily have Eric Sing something Rare like Mainline or Strange ways if they wanted to shake things up as well .
or insert something like Let me know or Kissin Time where Paul SHARES vocals ....
This would work Wonders to mask Paul's Struggles and Probably help his voice out for the long run ...

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Shout It Out Loud
I Love It Loud {fire}
Shock Me
Let Me Go, Rock 'N' Roll
Lick It up
War Machine {gene Blood)
Outta this world
Dr Love
Say Yeah ( Paul Fly)
Cold Gin
Black Diamond

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I listened to Love Gun, Firehouse, and Crazy Nights. Very depressing to see how far Paul Stanley has slipped. Crazy Nights was as flat as can be. No life at all. I thought they were bad last time I saw them in 2009, but this was beyond bad.