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Looks like spidey got stuck during the opener.


Or click here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKF-ajGwDgE

Fuck! I hope this doesn't become a common occurrence, otherwise back to the drawing board. Perhaps something a bit more hydraulic and cherry pickerish, instead of expecting a truss to reliably perform to that degree.

After these last 3 shows, all with unminor enough glitches, I'd be calling up the builder and bitching up an earful. Perhaps they aren't the right ones to engineer and build such a concept? It's more a special effect prop than lighting truss. Maybe they need to consider having the same concept reworked and built by the company who was responsible for Leon and Liberty?

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I filmed the whole gig and the presscon. I got all the mishaps of yesterday. Here are some of the occurences:

1. The spider stopped halfway down during PC. They just played the riff over and over for about 90 seconds.
2. In Lick it up the spider came down, Paul and Tommy went on it and it was supposed to rise during the jam-part of the song (according to Eric in an earlier interview). It didn´t rise, they just stood there for 20-25 seconds and then stepped off again.
3. When Gene flew he landed too far away from the mic, he screamed and pointed to have the wires released a bit. It took about 30 seconds before he could reach the mic.
4. The bombs and effects were a bit unsynched at times, most notably at the very end - a big bomb went off in the end of Black diamond and the stage went black but the band continued to play, the lights were turned on again and then everything just faded.
5. No "WE LOVE YOU SWEDEN ROCK"-sign on the screens
6. There was a technical malfunction on the screen which meant that a white line was visible in the middle of the screen for most of the show.

Bonus: During the presscon, which was nice to attend but which was CRAP contentwise, an idiot from the swedish press started slagging down Tommy and Eric and asking why they didn't get their own makeupdesigns. Eric said "REALLY - You still wanna go down that road???". Eric actually represented himself quite well but the whole presscon was just....weird. You'll see.

Gene, although posing and all that, looked very angry during parts of the show when stuff went on that shouldn't have.

Look for the dvd sometime soon (I just have to get a better audiosource).

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tolvis wrote:I filmed the whole gig and the presscon. I got all the mishaps of yesterday. Here are some of the occurences:

1. The spider stopped halfway down during PC. They just played the riff over and over for about 90 seconds.
2. In Lick it up the spider came down, Paul and Tommy went on it and it was supposed to rise during the jam-part of the song (according to Eric in an earlier interview). It didn´t rise, they just stood there for 20-25 seconds and then stepped off again.
3. When Gene flew he landed too far away from the mic, he screamed and pointed to have the wires released a bit. It took about 30 seconds before he could reach the mic.
4. The bombs and effects were a bit unsynched at times, most notably at the very end - a big bomb went off in the end of Black diamond and the stage went black but the band continued to play, the lights were turned on again and then everything just faded.
5. No "WE LOVE YOU SWEDEN ROCK"-sign on the screens
6. There was a technical malfunction on the screen which meant that a white line was visible in the middle of the screen for most of the show.

Bonus: During the presscon, which was nice to attend but which was CRAP contentwise, an idiot from the swedish press started slagging down Tommy and Eric and asking why they didn't get their own makeupdesigns. Eric said "REALLY - You still wanna go down that road???". Eric actually represented himself quite well but the whole presscon was just....weird. You'll see.

Gene, although posing and all that, looked very angry during parts of the show when stuff went on that shouldn't have.

Look for the dvd sometime soon (I just have to get a better audiosource).

/A
Thanks for the info. The timing of the lights, lifts and pyro is tough-- one of the reasons the set list remains consistent. All the Gene songs, incl. so many in a row, is telling and the way the band needs to go at this point. Paul can spend more time vamping it up and roaming the stage to compensate. Or, rapping b/tw tunes. :) Save up for the encores.

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Re: EuroMonster #3, 6/06 - Sweden Rock Festival, Solvesborg,

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KISSman24 wrote:
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leifs wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kelPf5Nsnzk
From Press meeting with the band before the concert: Someone asks why Eric Singer is in Peter Criss´make up? Paul: For every person like you asking a silly question, there are 35000 people. (free translation from swedish.)

Eric Singer: The other guys tried different make up. That didn´t work out. (free translation from swedish.)
Nice and PISSY answers from each of them! They shouldn't be so defensive about it if they believe in what they are doing.
Why should they be nice to people who ask trolling questions?
Asking a pertinent question is trolling :lol:

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Anybody know what company built the spider? Gene mentioned it being built in Las Vegas.

Here's the group that did the HITS and Revenge stages. Looks like they've done some very impressive stuff since then too.

http://www.taittowers.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.fishertechnical.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Must've been a really shitty show, when the two biggest papers gave the Stockholm show 3 out of 5 (and that show wasn't that great), and this one a mere 1 out of 5.

Now Paul's voice and the fact that they have no swagger or real energy onstage is something that most journalists bring up in every review.

5-10 more years? What a joke.

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kissthat wrote:Only 7 Paul songs ? Dropped HOF and replaced it with Dr Love ?
guess what,, say yeah will follow shortly, but I'm just whining

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Rockandrolloverman wrote:They have, and have always had, that very professional outlook on delivering the best show they can, each and every nite.

To fans that are following them all these years later the night they see KIss is certainly not the most important night, but to a teenager, and even twenty year olds, it was. The night you see them live was THE big night you'd waited for a year, or two years, to experience, and they realized that.

And they still do. 8)
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OK, with some google translate and some own work I give you the reviews in english (the ones posted above). Since I'm lazy they're not perfect translations, but at least you get the general message. And sadly, it's a very depressing message that should concern even the biggest of fans and "apologists".

When the papers are on about Paul sounding like shit and the band being very un-tight, playing at different tempos and so on, something is wrong. Don't get me wrong, I know critics never really loved Kiss. But here in Sweden they've received pretty decent reviews the last few visits. So, these reviews do really mean something...

This one is from Aftonbladet:
You want the best.

You asked for the world's hottest band.

But unfortunately you got Kiss.


My condolences.

Awfully sorry, but Kiss has not been Kiss since 1982.

I really do not know what to call the hideous spectacle that toured with the same name since. Especially not now that Peter Criss and Ace Frehley is replaced by, well, those other two.

That Eric Singer and Tommy Thayer has borrowed original members makeup may have happened. Try however to imagine Kiss without Paul Stanley. What is that?

Stanley sounds sour.

It's like the Beatles without Paul McCartney, the Rolling Stones without Mick Jagger, or Zlatan without feet.

But that is exactly how it feels at Sweden Rock

Paul Stanley's voice is in such an ill condition that he could just as well be replaced with an extra with a star painted over one eye.

The group who rarely change their setlists has actually replaced "Heaven's on Fire" from the gig in Stockholm. It must be that Stanley is not able to sing that song anymore.

And given how his vocal cords are doing this cold night - it's in gypsum rock and bleats - it was a wise decision. It would've gone to hell.

Paul Stanley is very aware of the problem and looks sad when he rocks out in the back, overshadowed by his bandmates.

All of them play over

He shakes his ass without much enthusiasm, smashes a guitar with a blank stare and is trying, really trying, to get the voice to work with his eyes closed hard.

But it is not. The power drains quickly from him and all the glam swagger disappears.

The whole group really plays like clowns. Sometimes it seems as if four people are standing and playing four different songs at the same time, like when the Rolling Stones crashed in "Honky tonk women" at Ullevi 2007. The version of "Let me go, rock and roll" is horrible.

What about the show then?

Yes, what does it matter when the effects and the bombs are not even synchronized? And the famous giant spider celebrates no major triumphs either. In "Lick it up" it's hoisted down and Paul Stanley and Tommy Thayer step on and then later steps of and the spinder is hoisted up again.

Solo without points

Wow. I repeat: Wow.

No wonder Kiss sometimes have to work pretty hard to get the audience to sing and clap the beat. Eric Singer looks surprised and annoyed by the silence after his pointless solo.

The blod-spewing and fire-breathing bat Gene Simmons is the only one that gives the concert some sort of stability and weight. The rest is pitiful.

It's not the best or hottest rock band appearing in Blekinge.

It often feels like the world's biggest scam.
And they have this "Facts box", that accompany the review:
Kiss
Stage: Festival Stage. Audience: Almost the entire festival, at least in the beginning. Running time: 1 hour and 50 minutes. Best: If anything, "God of thunder". Worst: It does sound as if Paul Stanley has swallowed a raucous hen in "Love Gun" and "Detroit Rock City". Sad. Question: Paul Stanley's voice?

And this one is from Expressen, the second biggest paper:

Is it really a show we want, at every conceivable price?

When it comes to Kiss the answer is: of course.

But when the show is limping the legendary rock band become very unmasked and naked.

According to the schedule twenty-six bands played at the Sweden Rock Festival on Thursday. Yet it was all about just one band.

Kiss is the festival's biggest booking ever and it was noticeable everywhere yesterday.

Guards walking around with Kiss-marks on the stomach, large numbers of visitors were face-painted like Gene Simmons' demon and over the main stage a huge metal spider hung all day. Pretty fun to see Rick Springfield play under the spider.

So what is the thing with Kiss after forty years of member dropouts and weak albums, comebacks and faked farewell tours?

The response comes after approximately ten seconds of initial "Psycho Circus" when the sky above Norje explodes in rockets. The thing is the actual show. It must be so, because strictly musically the health of Kiss in 2013 isn't doing so good.

I close my eyes and hear a shockingly decrepit rock band trying to get into the groove of "Let me go, rock and roll." Eric Singer often seems to play a song the other haven't heard before. Paul Stanley's voice is a sad chapter in itself. In vain attempts the singer and guitarist tries to find tones that do not exist. "Heaven's on Fire" is deleted from the set list, let us guess because he knows he can not reach the notes.

But the show then? The rockets, fire, Simmons' blod-spewing, the huge spider?

Uh, no.

The impression through the evening is a band who dutifully walks and stands and flies as they know that we want, but the heart is elsewhere. Sure, it explodes and fires up, but everything feels ill-timed. And the spider is mostly a big "oh well". Suddenly it goes up or down without reason. Simmons feverishly extends his tongue as soon as the camera approaches, without him as the pillar this show would've been a complete failure.

Instead it was now a rather long gig with a band that is still amazing at posing and to sell a rock myth, but not much more.

And I was expecting much more than that.
Expressen's "fact box:
Audience: all were there.

Who: Celebrating forty years as a band. Emerged in the mid-70s, has given rock a make-​​up-painted face.

What: Second Sweden-gig within a week. The tour rolls on this summer in Europe, Canada and USA.

The three big show highlights:

Gene Simmons

Still holds it all together with fire, blood and functioning vocal chords.

Rockets

Rockets are always rockets.

"Love Gun"

Paul's great - or one and only great - moment while out on his own solo stage.

But, I don't get it? Didn't Stanley repeatedly say that the band was on fire and sounded the best they've ever done?

Stick a fork in them, they're done. :(

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Kee wrote:Must've been a really shitty show, when the two biggest papers gave the Stockholm show 3 out of 5 (and that show wasn't that great), and this one a mere 1 out of 5.

Now Paul's voice and the fact that they have no swagger or real energy onstage is something that most journalists bring up in every review.

5-10 more years? What a joke.

Those are some pretty harsh reviews. Ouch.

Congratulations Gene, you have successfully fucked dignity.

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Spirited wrote:
Kee wrote:Must've been a really shitty show, when the two biggest papers gave the Stockholm show 3 out of 5 (and that show wasn't that great), and this one a mere 1 out of 5.

Now Paul's voice and the fact that they have no swagger or real energy onstage is something that most journalists bring up in every review.

5-10 more years? What a joke.

Those are some pretty harsh reviews. Ouch.

Congratulations Gene, you have successfully fucked dignity.
I truly want them to end as a touring band.

When Gene is ten times the singer Paul is live and every reviewer (and many fans) points out how much Stanley sucks, it's TIME TO QUIT.

Damn. I feel embarrassed as a Kiss fan. I truly do. :(

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I saw them recently in Perth and had a great time! Paul sounded rrough but no-one seemed to really notice. The
Press was positive to. It saddens me to say but if they're getting press that bad then maybe it is time to stop.

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Kee wrote: Damn. I feel embarrassed as a Kiss fan. I truly do. :(
...and I feel sorry for you.

I truly do........ Ummmm ?




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Pretty harsh reviews. When the guy says "KISS hasn't been KISS since 1982" - I immediately say "Fuck this guy" and roll my eyes. Though he is right about Paul. I still read what he has to say.

The band needs to go back to the right tuning. Their playing is still spot on and tight - but the band DOES NOT sound good in that tuning. Plus it basically highlights the vocal issues of Paul.

Paul is finished live. No other way around it. He hasn't really gotten worse since 2008, at least. But no improvements, the poor guy. How can he be in such denial?

5-10 years, Gene? Fuck, I hope not. No freakin' way. I don't want to see them limp on after this year. End it. Soon.

These may be the first harsh reviews of KISS live in a long time.
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1000000-2-1 wrote:
Kee wrote: Damn. I feel embarrassed as a Kiss fan. I truly do. :(
...and I feel sorry for you.

I truly do........ Ummmm ?




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OblitzO wrote:I saw them recently in Perth and had a great time! Paul sounded rrough but no-one seemed to really notice. The
Press was positive to. It saddens me to say but if they're getting press that bad then maybe it is time to stop.
They've been getting bad reviews since the beginning. In Russia a lot of newspaper reported that it was a goods show but only to see once.

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Spirited wrote:
Kee wrote:Must've been a really shitty show, when the two biggest papers gave the Stockholm show 3 out of 5 (and that show wasn't that great), and this one a mere 1 out of 5.

Now Paul's voice and the fact that they have no swagger or real energy onstage is something that most journalists bring up in every review.

5-10 more years? What a joke.

Those are some pretty harsh reviews. Ouch.

Congratulations Gene, you have successfully fucked dignity.
Repeatedly. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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OblitzO wrote:I saw them recently in Perth and had a great time! Paul sounded rrough but no-one seemed to really notice. The
Press was positive to. It saddens me to say but if they're getting press that bad then maybe it is time to stop.
Seems that the band's gotten decent to good to great concert reviews over the last few years, least since '09 when I started to get back into following them again. Last night was really harsh, apparently. It's unusual for them to get a bad write up but it happens and I agree with alot of what they said. The crap tuning and Paul's voice irreversibly bad will do that to a band.

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thewhip wrote:
Spirited wrote:
Kee wrote:Must've been a really shitty show, when the two biggest papers gave the Stockholm show 3 out of 5 (and that show wasn't that great), and this one a mere 1 out of 5.

Now Paul's voice and the fact that they have no swagger or real energy onstage is something that most journalists bring up in every review.

5-10 more years? What a joke.

Those are some pretty harsh reviews. Ouch.

Congratulations Gene, you have successfully fucked dignity.
Repeatedly. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
KISS have never really had the market cornered on dignity at any point.
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Kee wrote:
1000000-2-1 wrote:
Kee wrote: Damn. I feel embarrassed as a Kiss fan. I truly do. :(
...and I feel sorry for you.

I truly do........ Ummmm ?




N O T
Butt-hurt apologist?

Figures.
He should have pointed out the fact that you were predicting shitty sales in Sweden. :lol:


One of these reviewers was at least honest in that he admitted that he thought KISS had not been KISS since 1982. Usually they aren't so honest in showing their bias upfront. The other(according to some reports on the net) is the guy Paul in his place in the presser before the show. Yeah , he was gonna write a glowing review.

As stated above, there will be good reviews and yhere will be extremely bad reviews, KISS will move on. If bad reviews stopped them ,they'd never had lasted 6 months in 1973-74. Now it just seems that the bad reviews that provide fodder for those that don't like this line up.

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SaintN'Sinner83 wrote:
OblitzO wrote:I saw them recently in Perth and had a great time! Paul sounded rrough but no-one seemed to really notice. The
Press was positive to. It saddens me to say but if they're getting press that bad then maybe it is time to stop.
Seems that the band's gotten decent to good to great concert reviews over the last few years, least since '09 when I started to get back into following them again. Last night was really harsh, apparently. It's unusual for them to get a bad write up but it happens and I agree with alot of what they said. The crap tuning and Paul's voice irreversibly bad will do that to a band.
95% of the reviews have been good. When you post great reviews, be it for Monster or a show, they don't matter. Once a couple of guys print bad reviews, they're gospel. :lol: You know how it works my young friend.

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kissthat wrote:He should have pointed out the fact that you were predicting shitty sales in Sweden. :lol:

One of these reviewers was at least honest in that he admitted that he thought KISS had not been KISS since 1982. Usually they aren't so honest in showing their bias upfront. The other(according to some reports on the net) is the guy Paul in his place in the presser before the show. Yeah , he was gonna write a glowing review.

As stated above, there will be good reviews and yhere will be extremely bad reviews, KISS will move on. If bad reviews stopped them ,they'd never had lasted 6 months in 1973-74. Now it just seems that the bad reviews that provide fodder for those that don't like this line up.
Was not aware of some of those details.

I have no doubts that Paul sounded like a hen getting an iron spiked french tickler shoved in its backside. But the band still sounds tight and performs great and they've got one of the best stages in KISS' 40 years. The reviews of last night won't be a pattern - they haven't ever been. They've gotten great reviews live for the last 5 years. Paul's voice isn't an issue for those there and people seemed to have had a great time.

The bad reviews won't repeat, this tour. Never has and Paul is no worse than years ago and the band still sounds great aside from the tone of the guitars.

Like I said, fix that damn tuning, for one. That's my only REAL issue.

The band is near the end though, hopefully. Musically - still sound great. Paul? No. Let's not let both go to shit at once before it wraps up.
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kissthat wrote:
Kee wrote:
1000000-2-1 wrote:
Kee wrote: Damn. I feel embarrassed as a Kiss fan. I truly do. :(
...and I feel sorry for you.

I truly do........ Ummmm ?




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Butt-hurt apologist?

Figures.
He should have pointed out the fact that you were predicting shitty sales in Sweden. :lol:


One of these reviewers was at least honest in that he admitted that he thought KISS had not been KISS since 1982. Usually they aren't so honest in showing their bias upfront. The other(according to some reports on the net) is the guy Paul in his place in the presser before the show. Yeah , he was gonna write a glowing review.

As stated above, there will be good reviews and yhere will be extremely bad reviews, KISS will move on. If bad reviews stopped them ,they'd never had lasted 6 months in 1973-74. Now it just seems that the bad reviews that provide fodder for those that don't like this line up.
Well, I never predicted shitty sales (whatever that means). But I "predicted" (has less to do with predicting and more to do with actual facts) that they weren't gonna sell as well as they normaly do. And they didn't. But they still manage, by far. But it's not about that.

It's one thing if only the journalist reviews are bad. But I'm hearing many die-hard fans who also complain about the same things that the reviewers did. And that's bothersome.

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Kee wrote:
kissthat wrote:
Kee wrote:
1000000-2-1 wrote:
Kee wrote: Damn. I feel embarrassed as a Kiss fan. I truly do. :(
...and I feel sorry for you.

I truly do........ Ummmm ?




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Butt-hurt apologist?

Figures.
He should have pointed out the fact that you were predicting shitty sales in Sweden. :lol:


One of these reviewers was at least honest in that he admitted that he thought KISS had not been KISS since 1982. Usually they aren't so honest in showing their bias upfront. The other(according to some reports on the net) is the guy Paul in his place in the presser before the show. Yeah , he was gonna write a glowing review.

As stated above, there will be good reviews and yhere will be extremely bad reviews, KISS will move on. If bad reviews stopped them ,they'd never had lasted 6 months in 1973-74. Now it just seems that the bad reviews that provide fodder for those that don't like this line up.
Well, I never predicted shitty sales (whatever that means). But I "predicted" (has less to do with predicting and more to do with actual facts) that they weren't gonna sell as well as they normaly do. And they didn't. But they still manage, by far. But it's not about that.

It's one thing if only the journalist reviews are bad. But I'm hearing many die-hard fans who also complain about the same things that the reviewers did. And that's bothersome.
Don't feel like searching for it, but you were the one that came here with the less than 15,000 prediction for Friends. Claimng some one over at KAS(that place has a far worse hate to love ratio than this place) was saying he had super secret info on only 14,000 were sold(in fact this same poster still made this claim after the guy that runs that site said LN had told him 25,000 were sold). Well, that poster has promised to have his review of last night's show up soon. I'm sure it will be glowing. I'm sure you will be able to regale us with at least 100 shitty reviews of disgruntled fans out of a crowd of 35,000.

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kissthat wrote:
Kee wrote:
kissthat wrote:
Kee wrote:
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Kee wrote: Damn. I feel embarrassed as a Kiss fan. I truly do. :(
...and I feel sorry for you.

I truly do........ Ummmm ?




N O T
Butt-hurt apologist?

Figures.
He should have pointed out the fact that you were predicting shitty sales in Sweden. :lol:


One of these reviewers was at least honest in that he admitted that he thought KISS had not been KISS since 1982. Usually they aren't so honest in showing their bias upfront. The other(according to some reports on the net) is the guy Paul in his place in the presser before the show. Yeah , he was gonna write a glowing review.

As stated above, there will be good reviews and yhere will be extremely bad reviews, KISS will move on. If bad reviews stopped them ,they'd never had lasted 6 months in 1973-74. Now it just seems that the bad reviews that provide fodder for those that don't like this line up.
Well, I never predicted shitty sales (whatever that means). But I "predicted" (has less to do with predicting and more to do with actual facts) that they weren't gonna sell as well as they normaly do. And they didn't. But they still manage, by far. But it's not about that.

It's one thing if only the journalist reviews are bad. But I'm hearing many die-hard fans who also complain about the same things that the reviewers did. And that's bothersome.
Don't feel like searching for it, but you were the one that came here with the less than 15,000 prediction for Friends. Claimng some one over at KAS(that place has a far worse hate to love ratio than this place) was saying he had super secret info on only 14,000 were sold(in fact this same poster still made this claim after the guy that runs that site said LN had told him 25,000 were sold). Well, that poster has promised to have his review of last night's show up soon. I'm sure it will be glowing. I'm sure you will be able to regale us with at least 100 shitty reviews of disgruntled fans out of a crowd of 35,000.
Don't ever mistake forwarding info with stating, precting or hoping anything. I never said claimed that they had sold 14 000 tickets (which, btw, may have been true at the time). I just stated the different numbers I had heard.

I like critical thinking. What is critical thinking, really?


Or click here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OLPL5p0fMg

Maybe music isn't the best outlet for that, of course, but I think it's very important with critical thinking. And that shapes who I am and it affects how I view all things Kiss, too. I cannot just drink the kool-aid and say that everything is fine and dandy. Because it's clearly not. And stating that doesn't mean that I'm negative or a Debbie Downer. That's not what critical thinking is about, at all. It's trying to look at it with reason (although reason and music doesn't necessarily go together, I'm aware of that).

Don't think that I take pleasure in Kiss failing in any way, shape or form. It's quite the opposite. I know that some fans are happy simply because Kiss is around - period. But that's not enough for me. I want them to really be able to BRING IT. Paul should be ashamed that he took those shots at Ace and Peter, saying they weren't capable and so on, when his main instrument is more broken than Ace and Peter's ever were!

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Tough reviews to read for sure. You have to wonder just how much Paul's voice issues are starting to wear on the other guys. That issue must definately be the elephant in the room when they pick songs to do live.

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One bad show? Big deal. Stockholm was pretty good for starters and Helsinki was great. Also the reviews about the show in Helsinki were great.

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Pollux wrote:One bad show? Big deal. Stockholm was pretty good for starters and Helsinki was great. Also the reviews about the show in Helsinki were great.
Yes.
Helsinki was AMAZING!!!

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tolvis wrote:I filmed the whole gig and the presscon. I got all the mishaps of yesterday. Here are some of the occurences:

1. The spider stopped halfway down during PC. They just played the riff over and over for about 90 seconds.
2. In Lick it up the spider came down, Paul and Tommy went on it and it was supposed to rise during the jam-part of the song (according to Eric in an earlier interview). It didn´t rise, they just stood there for 20-25 seconds and then stepped off again.
3. When Gene flew he landed too far away from the mic, he screamed and pointed to have the wires released a bit. It took about 30 seconds before he could reach the mic.
4. The bombs and effects were a bit unsynched at times, most notably at the very end - a big bomb went off in the end of Black diamond and the stage went black but the band continued to play, the lights were turned on again and then everything just faded.
5. No "WE LOVE YOU SWEDEN ROCK"-sign on the screens
6. There was a technical malfunction on the screen which meant that a white line was visible in the middle of the screen for most of the show.

Bonus: During the presscon, which was nice to attend but which was CRAP contentwise, an idiot from the swedish press started slagging down Tommy and Eric and asking why they didn't get their own makeupdesigns. Eric said "REALLY - You still wanna go down that road???". Eric actually represented himself quite well but the whole presscon was just....weird. You'll see.

Gene, although posing and all that, looked very angry during parts of the show when stuff went on that shouldn't have.

Look for the dvd sometime soon (I just have to get a better audiosource).

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Sound like a Spinal Tap night. Hilarious. (Not for the band though!)

Not the first time, and probably not the last. Wasn't it Anaheim where Paul got stuck over the crowd during Love Gun, and Gene got lifted just high enough of the floor during god of Thunder so that he couldn't quite touch the floor and they had to bring out a box for him to stand on?

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Kee,
thanks for those translations! The Google article translations were very poor.
Sounds like a dismal tour so far.
The sounded rough as hell on the Sonic Boom tour (the last KISS show I'll ever see without Ace). I can't believe they're still trying to make a go at this some five years later. ug.

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Pieter Kriss wrote:Kee,
thanks for those translations! The Google article translations were very poor.
Sounds like a dismal tour so far.
The sounded rough as hell on the Sonic Boom tour (the last KISS show I'll ever see without Ace). I can't believe they're still trying to make a go at this some five years later. ug.
You're most welcome, my friend.

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1000000-2-1 wrote:
Pollux wrote:One bad show? Big deal. Stockholm was pretty good for starters and Helsinki was great. Also the reviews about the show in Helsinki were great.
Yes.
Helsinki was AMAZING!!!
C'mon friends, this sounds 'AMAZING'???
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Have our standards for excellence really slipped that freaking LOW???
Paul Stanley has been reduced to talking his way through Detroit Rock City for Christ's sake!
We're talking DEEtroit ROCK City here! This sounds freaking awful. It's cool to like the band, but these guys are charging a premium price and promising a premium product. Sorry, but KISS has failed to deliver. They have set a high standard in their long career and can no longer reach that standard. A big light up spider is no replacement for a strong vocalist. In comparison, here's a clip of KISS (playing the same song) when they really do sound 'AMAZING':
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I love the band, but seeing them on stage today is embarrassing.

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One video professionally filmed,one filmed with someone's phone....

really? :roll:

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That 70s Guy wrote:One video professionally filmed,one filmed with someone's phone....

really? :roll:
really?
That's all you've got?? The quality of the film doesn't mask KISS's poor performance in 2013.

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kissthat wrote:One of these reviewers was at least honest in that he admitted that he thought KISS had not been KISS since 1982. Usually they aren't so honest in showing their bias upfront. The other (according to some reports on the net) is the guy Paul put in his place in the presser before the show. Yeah , he was gonna write a glowing review.
I'm not one to come here and go negative against the band, and I'm not calling for an end like some others are...but even if you question the validity/honesty of those who wrote those reviews (and yeah, the one does read like the writer had sharpened his knives long before viewing the show) watching the clips can be more than a little disheartening.

I'm not sure the 'elephant in the room' analogy even applies anymore. That phrase is used to suggest a problem everyone knows about...but no one is talking about. Sadly, when it comes to Paul's voice...EVERYONE is talking about it.

I have loved the band since 1975, and I really enjoy the current lineup. Paul's voice is certainly an issue with me...but what really depresses me is watching Paul's expressions as he's efforting to do what once came so easily. The man was a ****ing GOD in the live arena for soooo many years.

I had a great time seeing the guys last year, and I like the new lighting rig and the hints of future tweaks/additions to the production (long overdue). But as a lifelong fan, it pains me to see Paul (who always struck my as the most prideful of the original four) wind down his legendary career in this manner.

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Actually the way Paul did the 2013 version isn't too bad. I'd rather have him do it that way (it really does sound kinda cool to me) than to try and over sing it. It is a little silly comparing performances 33 years apart though. Compare what David Lee Roth, Ozzy, Jagger, Steven Tyler, etc.. sounded like 30 years ago compared to now. Admittedly Paul is probably on the lower end of the spectrum but they all have changed.

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Pieter Kriss wrote:
That 70s Guy wrote:One video professionally filmed,one filmed with someone's phone....

really? :roll:
really?
That's all you've got?? The quality of the film doesn't mask KISS's poor performance in 2013.
They were better and YOUNGER in 1980(as is every single classic rock band on the planet), but let's not pretend that the inner sanctum show was not heavily over dubbed.

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It's amazing how some people will come here to do nothing but bitch and complain. If you don't like what's going on with Paul's voice, Eric and Tommy in makeup, set list, stage, ect.....why come here?

I bet it kills some of you that they still tour successfully. You complain when they play Shock Me, but Ace plays Deuce or Love Gun and that's OK.

Now I understand that my favorite rock star of all time has shredded his voice and the mixing of Monster was bad. But I still enjoy that my favorite band is still rocking with four members happy and grateful to be there.

Apparently, some people enjoy being negative and unhappy.

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Welcome to the ...

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It's nice that there's a KISS in existence in 2013, it really is ...

I look at it like the Yankees - I may love the 1978 Yanks, but not the 1989 team ... but someone may! And I may love an earlier era, but still follow the team.

But, it would be foolish to not acknowledge that Paul Stanley - a personal and professional hero - has seen some of his talent diminish to the point that he shouldn't be in the game. He cannot deliver vocally at a professional level. There's no way around it.

No, biggie, no argument, just my opinion.

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shupey wrote:Actually the way Paul did the 2013 version isn't too bad. I'd rather have him do it that way (it really does sound kinda cool to me) than to try and over sing it. It is a little silly comparing performances 33 years apart though. Compare what David Lee Roth, Ozzy, Jagger, Steven Tyler, etc.. sounded like 30 years ago compared to now. Admittedly Paul is probably on the lower end of the spectrum but they all have changed.
Agree.

The bottomline is Paul's vox are shot and it is likely to improve marginally at best. It is what it is.

Some here believe you should not tour in this "condition." Others disagree.
It does detract somewhat from the show for me but not enough to keep me away.

They are making effort IMO, and they like what they do. They are trying to compensate with the other guys taking a increasingly heavier load--even TT's "Shock Me" partial eats up some time.

They have added the new light rig-- a sign of effort if not "compensation" for Paul's voice issues.

3/4 of the band is fine with vox. 4/4 of the band is fine with playing their instruments. Not enough to throw in the towel yet.

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emberassing. slow tempos,bad vocals and pyro very other second to mask the musical limitations. they never had that much pyro before.saw them in 2010,had a good time for most of the show,but i wanted the show to end after a while. not only do they sound bad,but also the show is boring. EEEEENNNNDDD ITTT NOW:) way overdue

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Ace's Silver Suit wrote:Welcome to the ...

MTV Rationalize concert!

It's nice that there's a KISS in existence in 2013, it really is ...

I look at it like the Yankees - I may love the 1978 Yanks, but not the 1989 team ... but someone may! And I may love an earlier era, but still follow the team.

But, it would be foolish to not acknowledge that Paul Stanley - a personal and professional hero - has seen some of his talent diminish to the point that he shouldn't be in the game. He cannot deliver vocally at a professional level. There's no way around it.

No, biggie, no argument, just my opinion.
I respect this view. Well put, sir!

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I have no issue with a fan not being into this current line up that's fine..but when they are now supporting rolling stone magazine and rock critics against kiss then there true colors are showing. For the guys who want kiss to end as a live act they can end the second you stop watching the YouTube videos and going to the show. If its so bad stop checking it out stop looking and it will be over that second you will never see kiss perform again. There problem solved

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I think it is fair to say I would prefer that my all time favourite rock vocalist did not go out and embarrass himself on stage night after night.

If that makes me a hater, so be it.

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Spirited wrote:I think it is fair to say I would prefer that my all time favourite rock vocalist did not go out and embarrass himself on stage night after night.

If that makes me a hater, so be it.
it does not make you a hater at all spirited..it just makes you a guy who keeps repeating himself saying the same thing for the last 6 years. We get it... :D

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scottkfan1 wrote:
Spirited wrote:I think it is fair to say I would prefer that my all time favourite rock vocalist did not go out and embarrass himself on stage night after night.

If that makes me a hater, so be it.
it does not make you a hater at all spirited..it just makes you a guy who keeps repeating himself saying the same thing for the last 6 years. We get it... :D

Yes, a lot of people repeat things here. Like if you don't like what the band is doing, don't look.

:lol:

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Spirited wrote:
scottkfan1 wrote:
Spirited wrote:I think it is fair to say I would prefer that my all time favourite rock vocalist did not go out and embarrass himself on stage night after night.

If that makes me a hater, so be it.
it does not make you a hater at all spirited..it just makes you a guy who keeps repeating himself saying the same thing for the last 6 years. We get it... :D

Yes, a lot of people repeat things here. Like if you don't like what the band is doing, don't look.

:lol:
Yep. True. :mrgreen:

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Spirited wrote:I think it is fair to say I would prefer that my all time favourite rock vocalist did not go out and embarrass himself on stage night after night.

If that makes me a hater, so be it.
Hard to argue against this.

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Spirited wrote:I think it is fair to say I would prefer that my all time favourite rock vocalist did not go out and embarrass himself on stage night after night.

If that makes me a hater, so be it.
I think that's fair too. I won't deny that it hurts me to hear Paul, and consequently the band, struggle. I'm willing to accept an aging KISS though. I get why others are not. As much certain things have diminished, I take that trade off to have two good records I wouldn't otherwise have. KISS being around making records and still playing shows puts a smile on my face.

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