US "Alive 35" Show 8: 10/7/09 - Oshawa

GlamMetalChild · Post by **GlamMetalChild** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:31 pm

Shane_Penney wrote:
acefrehley91 wrote:Abbreviated encore....
SIOL
LIU
LG
DRC

Nothing new at all...pretty disappointing.

JJ
That's a kick in the pants if I've ever seen one.

Anyone want an Oshawa Instant Live?

I'll take it

diegomr666 · Post by **diegomr666** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:31 pm

we all love KISS, but we expected new songs on the setlist..... let's see what happens in the next dates

Post by **Trance** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:32 pm

Maybe they'll name the next tour Alive 36 so they can play the same songs AGAIN.

Shane_Penney · Post by **Shane_Penney** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:34 pm

Spirit wrote:Exactly why is anyone surprised?

If they were going to change anything, this would be the night. That's why I pre-ordered Oshawa. Fool me once.......

This had the perfect set-up. Winning the vote, the public backlash, saying there was something special planned, no opener, the night after the album is released.

It shouldn't shock you to find out that many of us expected at least 2 new songs.

They may wait until NYC to do it, but that's a kick in the pants for Oshawa.

Maybe the people at the show loved the show, but I'm certainly not happy right now. I just wasted $35. On top of that, I know there are people there who expected more.

diegomr666 · Post by **diegomr666** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:35 pm

they must be one of the few few bands that don't play a brand new album live!.... hope to be wrong as the tour keeps on going

Shane_Penney · Post by **Shane_Penney** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:35 pm

GlamMetalChild wrote:
Shane_Penney wrote:
acefrehley91 wrote:Abbreviated encore....
SIOL
LIU
LG
DRC

Nothing new at all...pretty disappointing.

JJ
That's a kick in the pants if I've ever seen one.

Anyone want an Oshawa Instant Live?
I'll take it

Alright. PM me. You'll get it for free. I'm that pissed off.

the-rockstar · Post by **the-rockstar** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:36 pm

Last year, I saw Metallica, AC/DC, and Madonna, all played at least 5 trax off of their new albums, all were big sellers. I think Madonna played 9 new trax. It's beyond ridiculous that KISS are only playing one song off of SB.

I was pretty unhappy when Crue were only doing 2 songs from SOLA last year but after KISS doing one, I'm not so annoyed with Crue. I really thought Oshawa would get something special.

I'm starting to regret buying a ticket for the Seattle show, I could be just fine seeing just the Vancouver show. I really don't understand why they do things like this.

Well I guess I should Enjoy this before they retire

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:38 pm

Shane_Penney wrote:
GlamMetalChild wrote:
Shane_Penney wrote:
acefrehley91 wrote:Abbreviated encore....
SIOL
LIU
LG
DRC

Nothing new at all...pretty disappointing.

JJ
That's a kick in the pants if I've ever seen one.

Anyone want an Oshawa Instant Live?
I'll take it
Alright. PM me. You'll get it for free. I'm that pissed off.

Don't blame you man.

GlamMetalChild · Post by **GlamMetalChild** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:40 pm

Trance wrote:Maybe they'll name the next tour Alive 36 so they can play the same songs AGAIN.

Commercial - Are you ready for the hottest band in the world? Get ready for the new KISS tour "Still Alive!". Twenty of the same songs YOU get sick of hearing, including: Love Gun, Lick It Up, Detroit Rock City, and of course, Rock And Roll All Nite. So if your wanting new music, forget about it. Just tell yourself "Thats Nice, Now Play Love Gun".

GlamMetalChild · Post by **GlamMetalChild** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:42 pm

Shane_Penney wrote:
GlamMetalChild wrote:
Shane_Penney wrote:
acefrehley91 wrote:Abbreviated encore....
SIOL
LIU
LG
DRC

Nothing new at all...pretty disappointing.

JJ
That's a kick in the pants if I've ever seen one.

Anyone want an Oshawa Instant Live?
I'll take it
Alright. PM me. You'll get it for free. I'm that pissed off.

Are you really serious?

Shane_Penney · Post by **Shane_Penney** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:42 pm

Spirit wrote:
Shane_Penney wrote:
GlamMetalChild wrote:
Shane_Penney wrote:
acefrehley91 wrote:Abbreviated encore....
SIOL
LIU
LG
DRC

Nothing new at all...pretty disappointing.

JJ
That's a kick in the pants if I've ever seen one.

Anyone want an Oshawa Instant Live?
I'll take it
Alright. PM me. You'll get it for free. I'm that pissed off.
Don't blame you man.

I am a defender until the end, but this goes a little too far.

diegomr666 · Post by **diegomr666** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:42 pm

I STILL HOPE THEY INCLUDE MORE TUNES OF THE NEW ALBUM IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DATES....I'D SAY THAT IF THEY DON'T IN A WEEK OR SO, WE SHOULDN'T BE EXPECTING ANY CHANGES FOR THE REST OF THIS LEG

Post by **Admin** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:43 pm

the-rockstar wrote:I was pretty unhappy when Crue were only doing 2 songs from SOLA last year but after KISS doing one, I'm not so annoyed with Crue. I really thought Oshawa would get something special.

But with Vince only singing every forth word, two new songs is like only getting half of one...

Shane_Penney · Post by **Shane_Penney** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:45 pm

GlamMetalChild wrote:
Shane_Penney wrote:
GlamMetalChild wrote:
Shane_Penney wrote:
acefrehley91 wrote:Abbreviated encore....
SIOL
LIU
LG
DRC

Nothing new at all...pretty disappointing.

JJ
That's a kick in the pants if I've ever seen one.

Anyone want an Oshawa Instant Live?
I'll take it
Alright. PM me. You'll get it for free. I'm that pissed off.
Are you really serious?

Yes. But if I ever need a favor.....

Just kidding. Yes, you can absolutely have it for free.

diegomr666 · Post by **diegomr666** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:46 pm

GlamMetalChild wrote:
Trance wrote:Maybe they'll name the next tour Alive 36 so they can play the same songs AGAIN.
Commercial - Are you ready for the hottest band in the world? Get ready for the new KISS tour "Still Alive!". Twenty of the same songs YOU get sick of hearing, including: Love Gun, Lick It Up, Detroit Rock City, and of course, Rock And Roll All Nite. So if your wanting new music, forget about it. Just tell yourself "Thats Nice, Now Play Love Gun".

HILARIOUS

Post by **Admin** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:48 pm

GlamMetalChild wrote:
Trance wrote:Maybe they'll name the next tour Alive 36 so they can play the same songs AGAIN.
Commercial - Are you ready for the hottest band in the world? Get ready for the new KISS tour "Still Alive!". Twenty of the same songs YOU get sick of hearing, including: Love Gun, Lick It Up, Detroit Rock City, and of course, Rock And Roll All Nite. So if your wanting new music, forget about it. Just tell yourself "Thats Nice, Now Play Love Gun".

But we're not the norm. We hang out on message boards and dissect things. It's still a hell of a show.

gshaller · Post by **gshaller** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:49 pm

Indeed.

Ace of Space · Post by **Ace of Space** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:53 pm

There must be something else going on behind the scenes that we just don't know about.

Post by **Trance** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:59 pm

Like what Eric and Tommy are afraid to sing their new songs? No freakin' way ... Gene can't remember the words? What else is new ... there's really no excuse for not adding ATLEAST 1 new song.

totiefields · Post by **totiefields** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:00 pm

Ace of Space wrote:There must be something else going on behind the scenes that we just don't know about.

You mean like the band not being able to rehearse new songs because the lead singer is having voice trouble?

gshaller · Post by **gshaller** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:01 pm

Not sure why one guy's voice trouble would interfere with new songs on which he does not sing lead.

UNHOLYRevenge · Post by **UNHOLYRevenge** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:05 pm

I just don't get it. Within the last four years I've seen plenty of bands with new releases including Judas Priest, Meat Loaf, WASP, and more. They've all played a variety of tracks off their new releases...I don't know why KISS continues to stick to the same old tired routine. Gene and Paul constantly say "this lineup can play anything, blah blah." Another soundbyte I'm sure. Is KISS simply just lazy these days when it comes to the setlist? I know they cater to the "casual fan" but songs like Forever and Tears Are Falling were pretty big mainstream amongst others. Any change would be a welcomed change at this point!

KISSman24 · Post by **KISSman24** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:07 pm

Yes, tonight would have been a good night to shake things up with some new Sonic Boom stuff, but I think they still have thru the weekend to hold off on it. Even if this is the first show after the album's release, not everyone ran out the first day and bought it and/or knows all the songs yet. After KISS see the numbers for the week and know they just moved well over 100,000 copies, it should be enough to influence them to add some SB songs to the set.

shupey · Post by **shupey** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:07 pm

I also pre-ordered the Instant Live in hopes of "something special". My rose colored glasses are as thick as anyone's but this one makes it a little hard to see out of them.

Lands End Drums · Post by **Lands End Drums** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:08 pm

So, anyone say how the actual show was or are we all slitting or wrists over the setlist still?

DownNeckKiss · Post by **DownNeckKiss** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:14 pm

"ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" -- Johnny Rotten sex pistols

Parasight · Post by **Parasight** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:24 pm

I was really hoping to see some more new songs at MSG in NYC this Saturday, it's going to really suck to see the same set list now that the new album is released. It also seems like the show is getting shorter each week, but why are they dropping Gene songs (Cold Gin, LMGRAR) with Paul's current voice problems? Also, The show last Saturday at Uncasville was only 2 hours long - so much for the "full 2 1/2 hour show".

downboys · Post by **downboys** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:03 pm

gshaller · Post by **gshaller** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:15 pm

downboys wrote:Gay

Straight.

downboys · Post by **downboys** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:21 pm

gshaller wrote:
downboys wrote:Gay
Straight.

BagBoy · Post by **BagBoy** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:27 pm

gshaller wrote:
downboys wrote:Gay
Straight.

Bi

acefrehley91 · Post by **acefrehley91** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:27 pm

I grabbed a copy of the written set list of the stage after the show was over and it actually indicated that they intended to play Watching You but that never made it in the show. The sheet also indicated that the 4 song encore was the intention all along.

They rose from the stage to start the show. Paul didn't sing any of the chorus during Love Gun. This show was verbatim the exact same show as Toronto last Friday, except they replaced the word Toronto in sentences with the word Oshawa, and cut a couple of songs.

My 13 year old became disenchanted with Kiss fans tonight. He was up on his feet all night, singing, air drumming and air guitaring every single lyric while the crowd mostly sat on their hands. That is of course til RARAN, when they all cheer like lifelong fans. It pizzed him off. I decided to don the Wizard make up for the show as I had never seen anyone do it before. I'd never dressed up for a show either but my son couldn't believe all the people asking us who we were? (he was the Fox).

"Daddy, if these people don't know who we are, then why are they here? He asked. He learned tonight that are here to see Kiss play Rock N Roll All Nite. Unfortunately it's true, while people like him and I and many here (I would assume) would like to never here it again in our lifetimes.

My son also commented how slow the tempo was tonight, especially DRC.

JJ

Capthowdy666 · Post by **Capthowdy666** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:37 pm

I hope they dont pull this friday only a 4 song encore? whats does everyone thing they are gonna do?????? or did they cut it short cuz they went on late??

nightmare77 · Post by **nightmare77** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:52 pm

"Oshawa we are planning something very special for you"
- Gene Simmons, 3 weeks ago

destroyer65 · Post by **destroyer65** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:15 am

nightmare77 wrote:"Oshawa we are planning something very special for you"
- Gene Simmons, 3 weeks ago

KISS did do something very special for Oshawa; they played there last night instead of making them wait until the second leg of the tour next year.

drgbootz · Post by **drgbootz** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:37 am

destroyer65 wrote:
nightmare77 wrote:"Oshawa we are planning something very special for you"
- Gene Simmons, 3 weeks ago

KISS did do something very special for Oshawa; they played there last night instead of making them wait until the second leg of the tour next year.

Also was it likely that they would have played here at all if they hadn't ran the Demand thing. Has KISS ever played Oshawa before?

rockerslive · Post by **rockerslive** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:37 am

Disappointed that the setlist was so short but maybe when they come back to Oshawa you will get the full blown Kiss show...

destroyer65 · Post by **destroyer65** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:20 am

drgbootz wrote:
destroyer65 wrote:
nightmare77 wrote:"Oshawa we are planning something very special for you"
- Gene Simmons, 3 weeks ago

KISS did do something very special for Oshawa; they played there last night instead of making them wait until the second leg of the tour next year.
Also was it likely that they would have played here at all if they hadn't ran the Demand thing. Has KISS ever played Oshawa before?

They would have never played Oshawa if it wasn't for Eventful. Toronto
is 30 - 45 minutes away.

trip730 · Post by **trip730** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:41 am

A lot of hype for a little return.Sure the fans would have got a great concert,but Oshawa what was the surprise KISS had in store....nothing!

cwr18 · Post by **cwr18** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:16 am

Shane_Penney wrote:
Spirit wrote:
Shane_Penney wrote:
GlamMetalChild wrote:
Shane_Penney wrote:
acefrehley91 wrote:Abbreviated encore....
SIOL
LIU
LG
DRC

Nothing new at all...pretty disappointing.

JJ
That's a kick in the pants if I've ever seen one.

Anyone want an Oshawa Instant Live?
I'll take it
Alright. PM me. You'll get it for free. I'm that pissed off.
Don't blame you man.
I am a defender until the end, but this goes a little too far.

Good grief.

Post by **RisingForce** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:37 am

UNHOLYRevenge wrote: I just don't get it. Within the last four years I've seen plenty of bands with new releases including Judas Priest, Meat Loaf, WASP, and more. They've all played a variety of tracks off their new releases...I don't know why KISS continues to stick to the same old tired routine. Gene and Paul constantly say "this lineup can play anything, blah blah." Another soundbyte I'm sure. Is KISS simply just lazy these days when it comes to the setlist? I know they cater to the "casual fan" but songs like Forever and Tears Are Falling were pretty big mainstream amongst others. Any change would be a welcomed change at this point!

Yet, we often hear the excuse that a stale setlist during the reunion era was because of Ace & Peter. We have heard that excuse from fans, Paul, Gene, & Tommy.

Well, I think we all should know that there is very little truth to that. It's Paul & Gene's show, and whatever the set is or isn't is because of Gene & Paul.

But regardless of that, I'm sure the people of Oshwa got a very good show and enjoyed it despite the lack of new material.

dynastybjr · Post by **dynastybjr** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:37 am

They really wasted a golden opportunity here to do something special.

Oshawa wins the North American voting and they make it the first show after the release of the new album which they've been promoting as the best they've relased in 30 years, Walmart exclusive, blah, blah, blah and this is what they do...nothing. With Singer and Thayer in the band now, they have the ability to change the setlist on a dime.

They should've played the whole SB album and then done an encore of the hits. For subsequent dates, make the proper adjustments and keep at least 3 new songs in the set now that SB is out.

I saw Iron Maiden's A Matter of Life and Death tour where they played this album, in order, in its entirety with an encore of hits. It was frickin' awesome! With SB this good, they need to promote it or it'll go #1 next week and then fall off into oblivion.

Post by **Admin** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:25 am

Can you confirm that "Let Me Go, Rock 'N' Roll" wasn't played? That would annoy me!

King Of The Night Time World
Deuce
Got To Choose
Modern Day Delilah
Hotter Than Hell
I Stole Your Love
C'mon And Love Me
Parasite
She
100,000 Years
I Love It Loud
Black Diamond
Rock And Roll All Nite
Shout It Out Loud
Lick It Up
Love Gun
Detroit Rock City

acefrehley91 · Post by **acefrehley91** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:26 am

Admin wrote:Can you confirm that "Let Me Go, Rock 'N' Roll" wasn't played? That would annoy me!

King Of The Night Time World
Deuce
Got To Choose
Modern Day Delilah
Hotter Than Hell
I Stole Your Love
C'mon And Love Me
Parasite
She
100,000 Years
I Love It Loud
Black Diamond
Rock And Roll All Nite
Shout It Out Loud
Lick It Up
Love Gun
Detroit Rock City

It was NOT played.

JJ

destroyer65 · Post by **destroyer65** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:14 am

RisingForce wrote:
UNHOLYRevenge wrote: I just don't get it. Within the last four years I've seen plenty of bands with new releases including Judas Priest, Meat Loaf, WASP, and more. They've all played a variety of tracks off their new releases...I don't know why KISS continues to stick to the same old tired routine. Gene and Paul constantly say "this lineup can play anything, blah blah." Another soundbyte I'm sure. Is KISS simply just lazy these days when it comes to the setlist? I know they cater to the "casual fan" but songs like Forever and Tears Are Falling were pretty big mainstream amongst others. Any change would be a welcomed change at this point!
Yet, we often hear the excuse that a stale setlist during the reunion era was because of Ace & Peter. We have heard that excuse from fans, Paul, Gene, & Tommy.

Well, I think we all should know that there is very little truth to that. It's Paul & Gene's show, and whatever the set is or isn't is because of Gene & Paul.

But regardless of that, I'm sure the people of Oshwa got a very good show and enjoyed it despite the lack of new material.

You're delusional if you think Peter was ever going to be able to play
"Parasite", "Unholy", "God Gave Rock And Roll To You II", among others,
while he was in the band.

You're delusional if you think Ace was going to correctly play anything that Bruce solo'ed on.

destroyer65 · Post by **destroyer65** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:16 am

dynastybjr wrote:I saw Iron Maiden's A Matter of Life and Death tour where they played this album, in order, in its entirety with an encore of hits. It was frickin' awesome! With SB this good, they need to promote it or it'll go #1 next week and then fall off into oblivion.

I saw Maiden in Boston perform all of AMOLAD. The audience was bored and pissed after the first 3 new tracks of the cd. That definitely wasn't one
of their better tours.

Post by **RisingForce** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:22 pm

destroyer65 wrote:
RisingForce wrote: Yet, we often hear the excuse that a stale setlist during the reunion era was because of Ace & Peter. We have heard that excuse from fans, Paul, Gene, & Tommy.

Well, I think we all should know that there is very little truth to that. It's Paul & Gene's show, and whatever the set is or isn't is because of Gene & Paul.

But regardless of that, I'm sure the people of Oshwa got a very good show and enjoyed it despite the lack of new material.
You're delusional if you think Peter was ever going to be able to play
"Parasite", "Unholy", "God Gave Rock And Roll To You II", among others,
while he was in the band.

You're delusional if you think Ace was going to correctly play anything that Bruce solo'ed on.

That might actually be a good point if I had mentioned any of those songs. I said the set was not stagnant because of Ace or Peter. That is true because they could have added different Ace & Peter era songs.

1976kicksass · Post by **1976kicksass** » Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:32 pm

I bet the set gets changed for MSG.
For as much respect and all that they have for MSG,I bet they deliver with the new set including (at least) one more SB song,most likely Gene song.
That's my prediction anyways

dynastybjr · Post by **dynastybjr** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:36 pm

dynastybjr wrote:
I saw Iron Maiden's A Matter of Life and Death tour where they played this album, in order, in its entirety with an encore of hits. It was frickin' awesome! With SB this good, they need to promote it or it'll go #1 next week and then fall off into oblivion.

I saw Maiden in Boston perform all of AMOLAD. The audience was bored and pissed after the first 3 new tracks of the cd. That definitely wasn't one
of their better tours.

The AMOLAD show I saw was in Detroit and the crowd ate it up for the most part. I'm sure there were some people that were pissed off because they wanted to hear the same old songs once again. I've seen Maiden 6 times and was looking forward to this because the album was so good.

Overall, this was such a ballsy move by Maiden and they didn't care what anyone else thought. Not only did they perform an album in its entirety (this was before everyone started doing this), they actually performed an entire NEW album. I commend them for doing it. I thought it was a great show.

bearfan · Post by **bearfan** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:22 pm

dynastybjr wrote:dynastybjr wrote:
I saw Iron Maiden's A Matter of Life and Death tour where they played this album, in order, in its entirety with an encore of hits. It was frickin' awesome! With SB this good, they need to promote it or it'll go #1 next week and then fall off into oblivion.

I saw Maiden in Boston perform all of AMOLAD. The audience was bored and pissed after the first 3 new tracks of the cd. That definitely wasn't one
of their better tours.

The AMOLAD show I saw was in Detroit and the crowd ate it up for the most part. I'm sure there were some people that were pissed off because they wanted to hear the same old songs once again. I've seen Maiden 6 times and was looking forward to this because the album was so good.

Overall, this was such a ballsy move by Maiden and they didn't care what anyone else thought. Not only did they perform an album in its entirety (this was before everyone started doing this), they actually performed an entire NEW album. I commend them for doing it. I thought it was a great show.

That's nice, now play Flight of Icarus

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