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Spirit wrote:Do I have to be the one who starts the thread about Thayer clearly not rehearsing enough and butchering the solo in Shock me?
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gshaller wrote:I don't expect significantly new staging next year. KISS have gone with very homogenous stages since roughly 1996 or thereabouts.
i know, i mean new like the 2009-10 stage was new. old principles with some new ideas.
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Spirit wrote:Do I have to be the one who starts the thread about Thayer clearly not rehearsing enough and butchering the solo in Shock me?
Do you remember the solo Ace played in Shock Me in Montreal in 2000?

Sure, there are no excuses for completely butchering a solo. But it seems as though last night's show had several problems with it. Hopefully, like most other tours, the band gets better as the tour proceeds.

As for Paul's voice, it's up and down as always. I haven't heard any recordings from last night, so I can't comment on that any further.
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Shane_Penney wrote:
Spirit wrote:Do I have to be the one who starts the thread about Thayer clearly not rehearsing enough and butchering the solo in Shock me?
Do you remember the solo Ace played in Shock Me in Montreal in 2000?

Sure, there are no excuses for completely butchering a solo. But it seems as though last night's show had several problems with it. Hopefully, like most other tours, the band gets better as the tour proceeds.

As for Paul's voice, it's up and down as always. I haven't heard any recordings from last night, so I can't comment on that any further.
I may or may not have been under the influence of something, for that solo in 2000.
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Apparently, according to Sacramento newspapers, last night's show was deliberately toned down.

Take that with a grain of salt, or as a positive thing.

From KISSONLINE

By Tony Bizjak / The Sacramento Bee

KISS – the thunder rock band with the black-and-white Kabuki faces, 8-inch heels and a style once described as German Panzer – came to town for a benefit concert Sunday night and offered a tongue-in-cheek mea culpa.

They may be to blame for the need to replace the dilapidated Power Balance Pavilion concert venue and Sacramento Kings home court.

"We've played there many times," Paul Stanley said of the arena once called Arco. He grinned. "We're probably one of the reasons that it needs renovating."

KISS, known for end-of-the-world pyrotechnics, toned it down a bit for its Sunday concert at Raley Field in West Sacramento, a special rock-and-dinner affair.

"We have families and tables and glass," bassist Gene Simmons said, sitting with bandmates backstage beyond left field. "We don't want people to have heart attacks and fall on their dinner.
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The band lent its efforts to an event called "Walk 'N Rock for Kids." Sponsored by Hope Productions Foundation, a local nonprofit, the morning fundraiser walk and evening concert raised money for service groups helping children.

That amounts to a heavy-duty score for local nonprofits. Thirty-eight years after its launch, the group has become as much rock brand as it is rock band.

KISS still records albums and does tours for rabid fans. But Sunday offered evidence of a broad business approach that keeps the KISS name in lights.

At the entrance to Raley Field, roped off like rock stars, sat four Mini Cooper Countryman cars painted black and white, matching the band members' faces. The cars are up for auction on eBay as part of a UNICEF benefit for children in post-earthquake Japan.

Simultaneously, the group is selling tickets for a KISS Kruise to the Bahamas, which includes two concerts. KISS plush dolls are due out soon, adding to an estimated 3,000 KISS items on the market over the years.

In what may be the ultimate attempt to keep the KISS brand alive in perpetuity, marketers are rereleasing the KISS Kasket, a black coffin made of 20-gauge steel. That's right, it's heavy metal.

It's part of the promotional machine Simmons calls Planet KISS. "That's trademarked," Simmons noted.

It's also why Stanley and Simmons, the group's tenured old-timers, say the band may not disappear even after they are too old to safely negotiate the stage in high heels and 30-plus pounds of costume.

"KISS is an idea that should rightfully be bigger than any one of us," Simmons said. He calls it Kisstianity. "To think that something can't exist without you, that you are indispensable, is delusional to the extreme."

But Stanley has no plans to go off quietly in a KISS Kasket. There's more work to be done, he said. That in mind, he leaned forward in his chair.

"I was just thinking," he said. "I am willing to go to Arco Arena with a bucket of plaster and try to fix all the cracks that we put in."[/i]
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Spirit wrote:
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Spirit wrote:Do I have to be the one who starts the thread about Thayer clearly not rehearsing enough and butchering the solo in Shock me?
Do you remember the solo Ace played in Shock Me in Montreal in 2000?

Sure, there are no excuses for completely butchering a solo. But it seems as though last night's show had several problems with it. Hopefully, like most other tours, the band gets better as the tour proceeds.

As for Paul's voice, it's up and down as always. I haven't heard any recordings from last night, so I can't comment on that any further.
I may or may not have been under the influence of something, for that solo in 2000.
:)

I was under the influence of KISS.......That night........
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Spirit wrote:Do I have to be the one who starts the thread about Thayer clearly not rehearsing enough and butchering the solo in Shock me?
That would be a first. I've not seen threads before in which the chief complaint was that someone didn't practice or butchered a solo. I have seen where a general sloppiness and a tour full of mistakes were derided.
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gshaller wrote:
Spirit wrote:Do I have to be the one who starts the thread about Thayer clearly not rehearsing enough and butchering the solo in Shock me?
That would be a first. I've not seen threads before in which the chief complaint was that someone didn't practice or butchered a solo. I have seen where a general sloppiness and a tour full of mistakes were derided.
Well this tour is under way and so far it is chock full of fuck ups.

Start deriding,
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Spirit wrote:
gshaller wrote:
Spirit wrote:Do I have to be the one who starts the thread about Thayer clearly not rehearsing enough and butchering the solo in Shock me?
That would be a first. I've not seen threads before in which the chief complaint was that someone didn't practice or butchered a solo. I have seen where a general sloppiness and a tour full of mistakes were derided.
Well this tour is under way and so far it is chock full of fuck ups.
Not really.
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Sounds like a typical Kiss show. Some are happy, some aren't. No big deal.

I don't see any bashing or hating going on here, as much as some seem to want to continue that theme on this forum.
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firekiss wrote:Sounds like a typical Kiss show. Some are happy, some aren't. No big deal.

I don't see any bashing or hating going on here, as much as some seem to want to continue that theme on this forum.
Again, true. Just a bummer to see this "tame" version of KISS that we have been getting in 2011 after the ferocity of the last couple of years.
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Tymaster wrote:
firekiss wrote:Sounds like a typical Kiss show. Some are happy, some aren't. No big deal.

I don't see any bashing or hating going on here, as much as some seem to want to continue that theme on this forum.
Again, true. Just a bummer to see this "tame" version of KISS that we have been getting in 2011 after the ferocity of the last couple of years.
If KISS did the tame show in an arena tour of their own devising then that'd be one thing. This is nothing new; KISS have a long history of 1-offs with scaled back, toned down aesthetics without having it inform their full direction.
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firekiss wrote: I don't see any bashing or hating going on here, as much as some seem to want to continue that theme on this forum.
Yep.
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I think it's funny how quick we overreact around here. This was one show ! A show where KISS may or may not have had control over how much pyro and staging were used. It's not like they just arrive that day and set their gear up. They would have been given the info months ago on how big a stage area they had, how much effects could be used, time limit, noise limit etc etc. Perhaps this was all they were permitted to do. There seemed to be plenty of pyro in the footage I saw.

Another thing to consider is that if this was a charity maybe they were doing it for free or at a reduced fee so they decided to run with the minimal stage show to keep costs down. They might own all this gear but have to lease the SONIC BOOM stuff.

As for the performance, the clips I have seen looked ok but I wasn't there so I can't really comment. What I do know is that these days they seem a little rusty after a lay off so this may have also been a factor. This seemed like a pretty unusual event with the tables up close to the stage and that is the fault of the organizers not the band. I'd be pissed off too if I had purchased the most expensive tickets and end up being that far back.
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KISS Unmasked II wrote:I think it's funny how quick we overreact around here. 8)
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those shots are videos... i may have messed up when i posted them.. if i did, i will repost.
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gshaller wrote:
Tymaster wrote:
firekiss wrote:Sounds like a typical Kiss show. Some are happy, some aren't. No big deal.

I don't see any bashing or hating going on here, as much as some seem to want to continue that theme on this forum.
Again, true. Just a bummer to see this "tame" version of KISS that we have been getting in 2011 after the ferocity of the last couple of years.
If KISS did the tame show in an arena tour of their own devising then that'd be one thing. This is nothing new; KISS have a long history of 1-offs with scaled back, toned down aesthetics without having it inform their full direction.
True dat. The 2007 Hit and Run tour had a few surprises though.
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Tymaster wrote:
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Tymaster wrote:
firekiss wrote:Sounds like a typical Kiss show. Some are happy, some aren't. No big deal.

I don't see any bashing or hating going on here, as much as some seem to want to continue that theme on this forum.
Again, true. Just a bummer to see this "tame" version of KISS that we have been getting in 2011 after the ferocity of the last couple of years.
If KISS did the tame show in an arena tour of their own devising then that'd be one thing. This is nothing new; KISS have a long history of 1-offs with scaled back, toned down aesthetics without having it inform their full direction.
True dat. The 2007 Hit and Run tour had a few surprises though.
No bigger suprise than a bunch on tables with table cloths infront of you I'll bet!! :lol:
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Spirit wrote:Do I have to be the one who starts the thread about Thayer clearly not rehearsing enough and butchering the solo in Shock me?
You? Taking shots at Thayer? That would be TOTALLY differently for you wouldn't it?
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shupey wrote:
Spirit wrote:Do I have to be the one who starts the thread about Thayer clearly not rehearsing enough and butchering the solo in Shock me?
You? Taking shots at Thayer? That would be TOTALLY differently for you wouldn't it?
Well for me to do it is the easy way. I thought maybe some who are so vocal about Ace fucking up should do it.
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Spirit wrote:
shupey wrote:
Spirit wrote:Do I have to be the one who starts the thread about Thayer clearly not rehearsing enough and butchering the solo in Shock me?
You? Taking shots at Thayer? That would be TOTALLY differently for you wouldn't it?
Well for me to do it is the easy way. I thought maybe some who are so vocal about Ace fucking up should do it.
Still trying to derail threads and argue with anyone who you think might take your bait.
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drgbootz wrote:
Spirit wrote:
shupey wrote:
Spirit wrote:Do I have to be the one who starts the thread about Thayer clearly not rehearsing enough and butchering the solo in Shock me?
You? Taking shots at Thayer? That would be TOTALLY differently for you wouldn't it?
Well for me to do it is the easy way. I thought maybe some who are so vocal about Ace fucking up should do it.
Still trying to derail threads and argue with anyone who you think might take your bait.
Nonsense.

(If you were a fish though you would have been caught long ago).
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Spirit wrote:
drgbootz wrote:
Spirit wrote:
shupey wrote:
Spirit wrote:Do I have to be the one who starts the thread about Thayer clearly not rehearsing enough and butchering the solo in Shock me?
You? Taking shots at Thayer? That would be TOTALLY differently for you wouldn't it?
Well for me to do it is the easy way. I thought maybe some who are so vocal about Ace fucking up should do it.
Still trying to derail threads and argue with anyone who you think might take your bait.
Nonsense.

(If you were a fish though you would have been caught long ago).
No one dislikes Ace for what he does (in reality), but plenty of people do Tommy. Old news.
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StarChildBlade wrote:
Spirit wrote:
drgbootz wrote:
Spirit wrote:
shupey wrote:
Spirit wrote:Do I have to be the one who starts the thread about Thayer clearly not rehearsing enough and butchering the solo in Shock me?
You? Taking shots at Thayer? That would be TOTALLY differently for you wouldn't it?
Well for me to do it is the easy way. I thought maybe some who are so vocal about Ace fucking up should do it.
Still trying to derail threads and argue with anyone who you think might take your bait.
Nonsense.

(If you were a fish though you would have been caught long ago).
No one dislikes Ace for what he does (in reality), but plenty of people do Tommy. Old news.

Acutally there are people here who dislike Ace, and people here who dislike Thayer.
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Spirit wrote:
StarChildBlade wrote:
Spirit wrote:
drgbootz wrote:
Spirit wrote:
shupey wrote:
Spirit wrote:Do I have to be the one who starts the thread about Thayer clearly not rehearsing enough and butchering the solo in Shock me?
You? Taking shots at Thayer? That would be TOTALLY differently for you wouldn't it?
Well for me to do it is the easy way. I thought maybe some who are so vocal about Ace fucking up should do it.
Still trying to derail threads and argue with anyone who you think might take your bait.
Nonsense.

(If you were a fish though you would have been caught long ago).
No one dislikes Ace for what he does (in reality), but plenty of people do Tommy. Old news.

Acutally there are people here who dislike Ace, and people here who dislike Thayer.
And there are people who actually like both but dislike greatly Thayer wearing Ace's makeup and impersonating him on stage.
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ACRAMENTO PRESS INTERVIEW WITH ERIC SINGER
May 31, 2011

By Marc McLaughlin (Sacramento Press)

Images by: Marc McLaughlin

Interview with Eric Singer (drums, vocals)

Marc McLaughlin: How does it feel to be doing a charity event for children (Walk ‘N Rock for Kids)?

Eric Singer: It's cool. I mean, everyone has to make a living, but when you can do what you love to do, make a living at it and also help people, it feels wonderful. I can do things that help people and I think that is really important. Then, when you add that it is for kids, it makes it even better. As you know, KISS does a lot of work with wounded soldiers and it is amazing being able to help them whenever we can.

MM: How does it feel to be a part of such an iconic band?

ES: Although I am not an original member, it really is an amazing feeling. This is a band that people recognize whether they know the music or not. The band is known world-wide; when we travel to Europe, it is just amazing how many people come out to see us. Being with people like Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley, two original members, [makes you] realize that this band transcends generations and really touches people. Well, ultimately, your audience is what helps put you in a positive position. Without a fan base, you have nothing; however, you have to keep yourself there by delivering the music, the shows and the performances.

I always tell people, "You vote through participation in life."

If someone decides they don't like the product, service or the way they are treated, they will stop buying the product. Eventually, the company would have to redesign it or come up with a new product to keep their audience. This is true of anything, so your actions and your work need to be on target to keep you in business.


MM: Speaking of that, how does it feel now that the band is experiencing another reemergence in the music industry?

ES: Every band goes through their up and downs and their support comes in waves, so it is normal for us. It is nice though, seeing people still want to be around us and coming out to see this iconic band. Whenever you have people who support what you do, it feels good and we are just so supportive of that. Without our fans we would not be here, and knowing they support us is the ultimate compliment.

MM: KISS is known for their makeup most of all. How is it sitting there and actually having it applied - does it become a role you slip into or is it just one more thing that must be done?

ES: Yes, the makeup is something we are known more for than anything else. Some know the “monster” while others know the “star.” It is all a part of who we are. Because of that, the process is something that can not be explained. It takes a couple of hours to get ready and the makeup is a closely guarded secret. When I first started doing it, it felt strange to take on a role like that; becoming something so known, so iconic. Even after all this time, it is still the same. You become part of the character and you use that to entertain the fans.

Even with these interviews it is part of what we do. For this we flew in early so we could spend some time with the press. You know, Gene and Paul have been doing this since the beginning and they still go the extra mile and speak to people when asked. It is a part of what makes the band who they are. The work ethic is very high and an important part of what we do. Everyone does their part to keep things moving forward. Many bands of lesser levels do not put the time in and that is part of the reason why our fan base is as deep and supportive as it is.

MM: If there was one thing you would like to say to your fan base today, what would that be?

ES: I guess just keep doing what you are doing. It is a give and take, a mutual participation thing. One thing I learned in life is that you can't make everyone happy. You appeal to the majority by trying to find the ground that works for most. We thank the fans who come out and support us and continue to believe in this iconic band. Whether they have followed us for a day or 35 years, they are the reason we do what we do.

MM: Thank you for your time today and for supporting Walk ‘N Rock.

ES: Thank you and hopefully this will help the children of the community. We appreciate your time, and enjoy the concert.

Regretfully, the time came for Paul Stanley to attempt to say goodnight to the fans, who were simply not ready to let go. They chanted for an encore, and suddenly, KISS was back on stage to thrill the audience with “Black Diamond,” “Shout It Out Loud” and “Detroit Rock City.” Finally, an unbelievable night of charity for Hope Foundation finished with "Rock and Roll All Night."
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cool clip, thanks for posting.
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1111976 wrote:
Spirit wrote:
StarChildBlade wrote:
Spirit wrote:
drgbootz wrote:
Spirit wrote:
shupey wrote:
Spirit wrote:Do I have to be the one who starts the thread about Thayer clearly not rehearsing enough and butchering the solo in Shock me?
You? Taking shots at Thayer? That would be TOTALLY differently for you wouldn't it?
Well for me to do it is the easy way. I thought maybe some who are so vocal about Ace fucking up should do it.
Still trying to derail threads and argue with anyone who you think might take your bait.
Nonsense.

(If you were a fish though you would have been caught long ago).
No one dislikes Ace for what he does (in reality), but plenty of people do Tommy. Old news.

Acutally there are people here who dislike Ace, and people here who dislike Thayer.
And there are people who actually like both but dislike greatly Thayer wearing Ace's makeup and impersonating him on stage.
Old news. I believe the reason why people say they dislike Ace is in defense of Tommy, not because they really dislike Ace. They are just reacting to people who are upset about Tommy's positioning in Kiss and what he does. I don't really believe in their hearts they dislike Ace, but go ahead and continue on.
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StarChildBlade wrote:
1111976 wrote:
Spirit wrote:
StarChildBlade wrote:
Spirit wrote:
drgbootz wrote:
Spirit wrote:
shupey wrote:
Spirit wrote:Do I have to be the one who starts the thread about Thayer clearly not rehearsing enough and butchering the solo in Shock me?
You? Taking shots at Thayer? That would be TOTALLY differently for you wouldn't it?
Well for me to do it is the easy way. I thought maybe some who are so vocal about Ace fucking up should do it.
Still trying to derail threads and argue with anyone who you think might take your bait.
Nonsense.

(If you were a fish though you would have been caught long ago).
No one dislikes Ace for what he does (in reality), but plenty of people do Tommy. Old news.

Acutally there are people here who dislike Ace, and people here who dislike Thayer.
And there are people who actually like both but dislike greatly Thayer wearing Ace's makeup and impersonating him on stage.
Old news. I believe the reason why people say they dislike Ace is in defense of Tommy, not because they really dislike Ace. They are just reacting to people who are upset about Tommy's positioning in Kiss and what he does. I don't really believe in their hearts they dislike Ace, but go ahead and continue on.
So let me get this straight. When someone acts like they dislike Ace, you don't believe them, but if someone acts like they dislike Thayer you do believe them.

:lol:

How selective of you.
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Spirit wrote:
StarChildBlade wrote:
1111976 wrote:
Spirit wrote:
StarChildBlade wrote:
Spirit wrote:
drgbootz wrote:
Spirit wrote:
shupey wrote: You? Taking shots at Thayer? That would be TOTALLY differently for you wouldn't it?
Well for me to do it is the easy way. I thought maybe some who are so vocal about Ace fucking up should do it.
Still trying to derail threads and argue with anyone who you think might take your bait.
Nonsense.

(If you were a fish though you would have been caught long ago).
No one dislikes Ace for what he does (in reality), but plenty of people do Tommy. Old news.

Acutally there are people here who dislike Ace, and people here who dislike Thayer.
And there are people who actually like both but dislike greatly Thayer wearing Ace's makeup and impersonating him on stage.
Old news. I believe the reason why people say they dislike Ace is in defense of Tommy, not because they really dislike Ace. They are just reacting to people who are upset about Tommy's positioning in Kiss and what he does. I don't really believe in their hearts they dislike Ace, but go ahead and continue on.
So let me get this straight. When someone acts like they dislike Ace, you don't believe them, but if someone acts like they dislike Thayer you do believe them.

:lol:

How selective of you.
You know how it is: if you like Ace you are a sheep. If you like Tommy you have the wool pulled over your eyes
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Spirit wrote:
StarChildBlade wrote:
Spirit wrote:
drgbootz wrote:
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shupey wrote: You? Taking shots at Thayer? That would be TOTALLY differently for you wouldn't it?
Well for me to do it is the easy way. I thought maybe some who are so vocal about Ace fucking up should do it.
Still trying to derail threads and argue with anyone who you think might take your bait.
Nonsense.

(If you were a fish though you would have been caught long ago).
No one dislikes Ace for what he does (in reality), but plenty of people do Tommy. Old news.

Acutally there are people here who dislike Ace, and people here who dislike Thayer.
And there are people who actually like both but dislike greatly Thayer wearing Ace's makeup and impersonating him on stage.
Old news. I believe the reason why people say they dislike Ace is in defense of Tommy, not because they really dislike Ace. They are just reacting to people who are upset about Tommy's positioning in Kiss and what he does. I don't really believe in their hearts they dislike Ace, but go ahead and continue on.
So let me get this straight. When someone acts like they dislike Ace, you don't believe them, but if someone acts like they dislike Thayer you do believe them.

:lol:

How selective of you.
I think it's partially true. But hey, if this old ass argument gives you the fire in your belly, go for it. Again.
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By the way, I agree about Tommy butchering the "Shock Me" solo. Especially the last part of it, he missed a whole section of notes and it sounds bad. Other than that, I think he pulls off his position well.
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You guys ever been to a eating establishment and on the outside its all glitzy and all the servers are hot as hell.
Then when you hit the menu,its vast and your pallet starts to go into overdrive just reading it.
then when you take a bite,you realize their food is microwaved.
thats your current KISS show.
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Caligiula wrote:You guys ever been to a eating establishment and on the outside its all glitzy and all the servers are hot as hell.
Then when you hit the menu,its vast and your pallet starts to go into overdrive just reading it.
then when you take a bite,you realize their food is microwaved.
thats your current KISS show.
Tommy is hot as hell?
:lol:
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StarChildBlade wrote:
Caligiula wrote:You guys ever been to a eating establishment and on the outside its all glitzy and all the servers are hot as hell.
Then when you hit the menu,its vast and your pallet starts to go into overdrive just reading it.
then when you take a bite,you realize their food is microwaved.
thats your current KISS show.
Tommy is hot as hell?
:lol:
That's odd. :lol:
You guys ever been to a eating establishment and on the outside its all glitzy and all the servers are hot as hell.
Then when you hit the menu,its vast and your pallet starts to go into overdrive just reading it.
then when you take a bite,you realize their food is microwaved.
thats your current KISS show.
Disagree, the shows I went to in '09 were outstanding. Sometimes it's the atmosphere and the energy of the fans around you that can suck the life out of a show.
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Fans at Kiss concerts SUCK now. Nothing rock or metal about the people in the audience anymore. I remember going to shows in the 80s, and everyone was fucking loud and totally into every second of it. Now? You might see a couple of diehards going apeshit, and thousands of others looking at him like he's an idiot. That's why I much prefer smaller venue shows, because there you're more likely going to be amongst diehards who are totally into it.
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StarChildBlade wrote:Fans at Kiss concerts SUCK now. Nothing rock or metal about the people in the audience anymore. I remember going to shows in the 80s, and everyone was fucking loud and totally into every second of it. Now? You might see a couple of diehards going apeshit, and thousands of others looking at him like he's an idiot. That's why I much prefer smaller venue shows, because there you're more likely going to be amongst diehards who are totally into it.
General Admission all the way. That's why whenever I watch youtube concerts I enjoy watching European and South American crowds. They're head and shoulders way more into the show than us Americans.
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StarChildBlade wrote:Fans at Kiss concerts SUCK now. Nothing rock or metal about the people in the audience anymore. I remember going to shows in the 80s, and everyone was fucking loud and totally into every second of it. Now? You might see a couple of diehards going apeshit, and thousands of others looking at him like he's an idiot. That's why I much prefer smaller venue shows, because there you're more likely going to be amongst diehards who are totally into it.
Man, I had a very different feeling where I was sitting; lots of enthusiastic fans and good times! 8)
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gshaller wrote:
StarChildBlade wrote:Fans at Kiss concerts SUCK now. Nothing rock or metal about the people in the audience anymore. I remember going to shows in the 80s, and everyone was fucking loud and totally into every second of it. Now? You might see a couple of diehards going apeshit, and thousands of others looking at him like he's an idiot. That's why I much prefer smaller venue shows, because there you're more likely going to be amongst diehards who are totally into it.
Man, I had a very different feeling where I was sitting; lots of enthusiastic fans and good times! 8)
Very cool.
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I just got back from Sacramento and I was at the show. I'm surprised by most of these comments and I guess Shaller and I saw a different show than others.

First of all, I volunteered for the walk in the morning. I spoke with the coordinator and yes, KISS were asked/told to tone it down. No blood spitting for sure. She couldn't tell me specifics but mentioned KISS was very generous and very easy to work with and this was a big coup for the Hope Foundation.

To the show. I was on the floor and people around me were loud and into it. People were falling over chairs in excitement ... and maybe a little intoxication. The chairs were plastic and by the end the rows had been altered. The main barometer of the crowd for me was the fact that; at least on the floor we started chanting, "We want KISS" even before the sign starts flashing before the encore. I hadn't heard that in many years. The VIP's in the table section were not sitting, they were up ftont and reaching for Gene & Paul and at one point Paul was bumping fists.

I thought KISS looked energetic. Paul was smiling a lot, and jumping several times, shaking his ass a lot, and he and Gene had a little shoulder shoving match.

I was surprised how much space was given for the tables. That was too bad. Although, these people raised a lot of money for the kids so I can't really complain. The last item for auction raised $10000 for a chance to introduce KISS and he was obviously a fan. I was disappointed that there was no confetti but again maybe that was out of their control. Overall, I had a good time and am very proud of KISS for doing this.

OK, one thing that is very interesting. When they came out for soundcheck Paul mentioned on mic for the whole stadium to hear .... that a needle had been pushed through his vocal cord. He didn't say when this procedure had taken place. He told the band after MDD that he wanted to sing another song to warm up his voice. I thought he sounded very good in soundcheck when all attention was on the sound and his voice. His voice held up well during the show. I felt very privileged to be witness to a soundcheck and hopefully the Starchild's voice continues to improve.

I didn't hear one complaint walking out but lots of whooping and hollering and lots of kids looking thrilled and like they have a new "favorite". Everyone wins ... except maybe 4 or 5 on this board. :)
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.... that a needle had been pushed through his vocal cord.
Okay you armchair vocal chord doctors, what's this procedure called?

And it's great to know Paul actually acknowledges his vocal problems. 8)
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AWennerAlwaysLoses wrote:I just got back from Sacramento and I was at the show. I'm surprised by most of these comments and I guess Shaller and I saw a different show than others.

First of all, I volunteered for the walk in the morning. I spoke with the coordinator and yes, KISS were asked/told to tone it down. No blood spitting for sure. She couldn't tell me specifics but mentioned KISS was very generous and very easy to work with and this was a big coup for the Hope Foundation.

To the show. I was on the floor and people around me were loud and into it. People were falling over chairs in excitement ... and maybe a little intoxication. The chairs were plastic and by the end the rows had been altered. The main barometer of the crowd for me was the fact that; at least on the floor we started chanting, "We want KISS" even before the sign starts flashing before the encore. I hadn't heard that in many years. The VIP's in the table section were not sitting, they were up ftont and reaching for Gene & Paul and at one point Paul was bumping fists.

I thought KISS looked energetic. Paul was smiling a lot, and jumping several times, shaking his ass a lot, and he and Gene had a little shoulder shoving match.

I was surprised how much space was given for the tables. That was too bad. Although, these people raised a lot of money for the kids so I can't really complain. The last item for auction raised $10000 for a chance to introduce KISS and he was obviously a fan. I was disappointed that there was no confetti but again maybe that was out of their control. Overall, I had a good time and am very proud of KISS for doing this.

OK, one thing that is very interesting. When they came out for soundcheck Paul mentioned on mic for the whole stadium to hear .... that a needle had been pushed through his vocal cord. He didn't say when this procedure had taken place. He told the band after MDD that he wanted to sing another song to warm up his voice. I thought he sounded very good in soundcheck when all attention was on the sound and his voice. His voice held up well during the show. I felt very privileged to be witness to a soundcheck and hopefully the Starchild's voice continues to improve.

I didn't hear one complaint walking out but lots of whooping and hollering and lots of kids looking thrilled and like they have a new "favorite". Everyone wins ... except maybe 4 or 5 on this board. :)
:)

Thanks--great review.
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AWennerAlwaysLoses wrote:I just got back from Sacramento and I was at the show. I'm surprised by most of these comments and I guess Shaller and I saw a different show than others.

First of all, I volunteered for the walk in the morning. I spoke with the coordinator and yes, KISS were asked/told to tone it down. No blood spitting for sure. She couldn't tell me specifics but mentioned KISS was very generous and very easy to work with and this was a big coup for the Hope Foundation.

To the show. I was on the floor and people around me were loud and into it. People were falling over chairs in excitement ... and maybe a little intoxication. The chairs were plastic and by the end the rows had been altered. The main barometer of the crowd for me was the fact that; at least on the floor we started chanting, "We want KISS" even before the sign starts flashing before the encore. I hadn't heard that in many years. The VIP's in the table section were not sitting, they were up ftont and reaching for Gene & Paul and at one point Paul was bumping fists.

I thought KISS looked energetic. Paul was smiling a lot, and jumping several times, shaking his ass a lot, and he and Gene had a little shoulder shoving match.

I was surprised how much space was given for the tables. That was too bad. Although, these people raised a lot of money for the kids so I can't really complain. The last item for auction raised $10000 for a chance to introduce KISS and he was obviously a fan. I was disappointed that there was no confetti but again maybe that was out of their control. Overall, I had a good time and am very proud of KISS for doing this.

OK, one thing that is very interesting. When they came out for soundcheck Paul mentioned on mic for the whole stadium to hear .... that a needle had been pushed through his vocal cord. He didn't say when this procedure had taken place. He told the band after MDD that he wanted to sing another song to warm up his voice. I thought he sounded very good in soundcheck when all attention was on the sound and his voice. His voice held up well during the show. I felt very privileged to be witness to a soundcheck and hopefully the Starchild's voice continues to improve.

I didn't hear one complaint walking out but lots of whooping and hollering and lots of kids looking thrilled and like they have a new "favorite". Everyone wins ... except maybe 4 or 5 on this board. :)
Great review!

I had the same experience the last few years, post-show, as you. The excitement and energy coming from people that haven't seen the band many times like myself is awesome to see.

KISS makes new fans every show.
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AWennerAlwaysLoses wrote:I didn't hear one complaint walking out but lots of whooping and hollering and lots of kids looking thrilled and like they have a new "favorite". Everyone wins ... except maybe 4 or 5 on this board. :)
Duh, WINNING! Yep everyone wins. It's easy to become jaded and have too great expectations.
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Admin wrote: It's easy to become jaded and have too great expectations.
They should write a song about over-enthusiastic expectations.
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EXCELLENT REVIEW!!!
AWennerAlwaysLoses wrote:I just got back from Sacramento and I was at the show. I'm surprised by most of these comments and I guess Shaller and I saw a different show than others.

First of all, I volunteered for the walk in the morning. I spoke with the coordinator and yes, KISS were asked/told to tone it down. No blood spitting for sure. She couldn't tell me specifics but mentioned KISS was very generous and very easy to work with and this was a big coup for the Hope Foundation.

To the show. I was on the floor and people around me were loud and into it. People were falling over chairs in excitement ... and maybe a little intoxication. The chairs were plastic and by the end the rows had been altered. The main barometer of the crowd for me was the fact that; at least on the floor we started chanting, "We want KISS" even before the sign starts flashing before the encore. I hadn't heard that in many years. The VIP's in the table section were not sitting, they were up ftont and reaching for Gene & Paul and at one point Paul was bumping fists.

I thought KISS looked energetic. Paul was smiling a lot, and jumping several times, shaking his ass a lot, and he and Gene had a little shoulder shoving match.

I was surprised how much space was given for the tables. That was too bad. Although, these people raised a lot of money for the kids so I can't really complain. The last item for auction raised $10000 for a chance to introduce KISS and he was obviously a fan. I was disappointed that there was no confetti but again maybe that was out of their control. Overall, I had a good time and am very proud of KISS for doing this.

OK, one thing that is very interesting. When they came out for soundcheck Paul mentioned on mic for the whole stadium to hear .... that a needle had been pushed through his vocal cord. He didn't say when this procedure had taken place. He told the band after MDD that he wanted to sing another song to warm up his voice. I thought he sounded very good in soundcheck when all attention was on the sound and his voice. His voice held up well during the show. I felt very privileged to be witness to a soundcheck and hopefully the Starchild's voice continues to improve.

I didn't hear one complaint walking out but lots of whooping and hollering and lots of kids looking thrilled and like they have a new "favorite". Everyone wins ... except maybe 4 or 5 on this board. :)
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Great review being my 58th show it was a great KISS show but the big thing that tells it for me is the fact the as people are leaving you can hear them saying it was awesome and how great it was ... yes as a diehards I can pick up on little mistakes but who cares at least I know it's live when they do make little mistakes and the non diehards never know the difference !!!
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pstanley73 wrote:Great review being my 58th show it was a great KISS show but the big thing that tells it for me is the fact the as people are leaving you can hear them saying it was awesome and how great it was ... yes as a diehards I can pick up on little mistakes but who cares at least I know it's live when they do make little mistakes and the non diehards never know the difference !!!
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