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Re: Summer '11 Show 13: 7/15/11 - Walker, MN

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:23 am
by KISS Unmasked II
heart_of_chrome wrote:
Forevertj wrote:Tha band has earned the right to say or do whatever they want. If you don't like it, too bad.


Saying the pledge is not political. It is about patriotism and that has no party. Neither left nor the right. If you are an American and don't like it, move to Mexico. No one will miss you.
The reason for saying the pledge here - namely war - IS political. and do I have to accept it as an enemy of war? no. because I paid for a rock concert, not a political debate. so save your argument that I should stay home. if others get boners about this, they should go to events where it is appropriate. not, and I say it again, a rock concert. The reason why I have a problem with that is because there are children at those concerts. they are educated into war with this BS. there is no doubt that people who give their lives for the country should be honored. but does it have to be a Kiss concert? war is glorified through actions like this. and I don't think that the US needs another war after Aftghanistan, Iraq and now Lybia. It is the same with the army advertisements.
I am not an American but I have always had a fond appreciation of the country. I think it's great that the band is so patriotic. But I have always thought KISS was a way to escape such issues, not to be force fed them. Of course it's only a few minutes out of an entire show but still, it has no place being there at all in my opinion.
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Re: Summer '11 Show 13: 7/15/11 - Walker, MN

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:40 am
by heart_of_chrome
KISS Unmasked II wrote:
heart_of_chrome wrote:
Forevertj wrote:Tha band has earned the right to say or do whatever they want. If you don't like it, too bad.


Saying the pledge is not political. It is about patriotism and that has no party. Neither left nor the right. If you are an American and don't like it, move to Mexico. No one will miss you.
The reason for saying the pledge here - namely war - IS political. and do I have to accept it as an enemy of war? no. because I paid for a rock concert, not a political debate. so save your argument that I should stay home. if others get boners about this, they should go to events where it is appropriate. not, and I say it again, a rock concert. The reason why I have a problem with that is because there are children at those concerts. they are educated into war with this BS. there is no doubt that people who give their lives for the country should be honored. but does it have to be a Kiss concert? war is glorified through actions like this. and I don't think that the US needs another war after Aftghanistan, Iraq and now Lybia. It is the same with the army advertisements.
I am not an American but I have always had a fond appreciation of the country. I think it's great that the band is so patriotic. But I have always thought KISS was a way to escape such issues, not to be force fed them. Of course it's only a few minutes out of an entire show but still, it has no place being there at all in my opinion.
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so do I. I will be studying there from august.I like the country a lot but, as you said, there is no place for such things during a kiss concert. well, I didn't expect an answer from tj anyway. I guess he is still looking for arguments...

Re: Summer '11 Show 13: 7/15/11 - Walker, MN

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:41 am
by Forevertj
heart_of_chrome wrote:
Forevertj wrote:Tha band has earned the right to say or do whatever they want. If you don't like it, too bad.


Saying the pledge is not political. It is about patriotism and that has no party. Neither left nor the right. If you are an American and don't like it, move to Mexico. No one will miss you.
The reason for saying the pledge here - namely war - IS political. and do I have to accept it as an enemy of war? no. because I paid for a rock concert, not a political debate. so save your argument that I should stay home. if others get boners about this, they should go to events where it is appropriate. not, and I say it again, a rock concert. The reason why I have a problem with that is because there are children at those concerts. they are educated into war with this BS. there is no doubt that people who give their lives for the country should be honored. but does it have to be a Kiss concert? war is glorified through actions like this. and I don't think that the US needs another war after Aftghanistan, Iraq and now Lybia. It is the same with the army advertisements.

It is not political. It is patriotism. Learn the definitions of words before you make false assertions.

As a child, I said the pedge every day at school. It should still be done. The pledge has nothing to do with war.

War??? :D :D

That is unbelievable.

Re: Summer '11 Show 13: 7/15/11 - Walker, MN

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:42 am
by Forevertj
KISS Unmasked II wrote:
heart_of_chrome wrote:
Forevertj wrote:Tha band has earned the right to say or do whatever they want. If you don't like it, too bad.


Saying the pledge is not political. It is about patriotism and that has no party. Neither left nor the right. If you are an American and don't like it, move to Mexico. No one will miss you.
The reason for saying the pledge here - namely war - IS political. and do I have to accept it as an enemy of war? no. because I paid for a rock concert, not a political debate. so save your argument that I should stay home. if others get boners about this, they should go to events where it is appropriate. not, and I say it again, a rock concert. The reason why I have a problem with that is because there are children at those concerts. they are educated into war with this BS. there is no doubt that people who give their lives for the country should be honored. but does it have to be a Kiss concert? war is glorified through actions like this. and I don't think that the US needs another war after Aftghanistan, Iraq and now Lybia. It is the same with the army advertisements.
I am not an American but I have always had a fond appreciation of the country. I think it's great that the band is so patriotic. But I have always thought KISS was a way to escape such issues, not to be force fed them. Of course it's only a few minutes out of an entire show but still, it has no place being there at all in my opinion.
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Perhaps you are right, but as an american, we used to do that ecery single day in school.

Re: Summer '11 Show 13: 7/15/11 - Walker, MN

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:19 am
by cwr18
Spirit wrote:I never once said Kiss was not a draw. Matter of fact I have repeatedly said they draw very well.
Good conditioning. :)

Re: Summer '11 Show 13: 7/15/11 - Walker, MN

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:59 am
by Spirit
cwr18 wrote:
Spirit wrote:I never once said Kiss was not a draw. Matter of fact I have repeatedly said they draw very well.
Good conditioning. :)

I don't argue numbers. They are what they are.

Re: Summer '11 Show 13: 7/15/11 - Walker, MN

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:36 pm
by cwr18
KISS Unmasked II wrote: I am not an American but I have always had a fond appreciation of the country. I think it's great that the band is so patriotic. But I have always thought KISS was a way to escape such issues, not to be force fed them. Of course it's only a few minutes out of an entire show but still, it has no place being there at all in my opinion.
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Pre-9/11 I would agree with you. It would be over the top jingoism. But, since 9/11 many Americans, me included (and apparently Kiss), feel differently.

Re: Summer '11 Show 13: 7/15/11 - Walker, MN

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:56 pm
by gshaller
heart_of_chrome wrote:
Stanley! You look so cute wrote:The pledge of allegiance was the most nauseating, mawkish and tacky stunt I've seen any band do. What an absolute load of shit.
I would put it more nicely but I agree that paul should finally shut up about politics. this was even worse than the speech on the RTN dvd...
Dude, no. That shit was FAR far worse.

Re: Summer '11 Show 13: 7/15/11 - Walker, MN

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:58 pm
by gshaller
KISS Unmasked II wrote:
heart_of_chrome wrote:
Forevertj wrote:Tha band has earned the right to say or do whatever they want. If you don't like it, too bad.


Saying the pledge is not political. It is about patriotism and that has no party. Neither left nor the right. If you are an American and don't like it, move to Mexico. No one will miss you.
The reason for saying the pledge here - namely war - IS political. and do I have to accept it as an enemy of war? no. because I paid for a rock concert, not a political debate. so save your argument that I should stay home. if others get boners about this, they should go to events where it is appropriate. not, and I say it again, a rock concert. The reason why I have a problem with that is because there are children at those concerts. they are educated into war with this BS. there is no doubt that people who give their lives for the country should be honored. but does it have to be a Kiss concert? war is glorified through actions like this. and I don't think that the US needs another war after Aftghanistan, Iraq and now Lybia. It is the same with the army advertisements.
I am not an American but I have always had a fond appreciation of the country. I think it's great that the band is so patriotic. But I have always thought KISS was a way to escape such issues, not to be force fed them. Of course it's only a few minutes out of an entire show but still, it has no place being there at all in my opinion.
8)
Indeed.

Re: Summer '11 Show 13: 7/15/11 - Walker, MN

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:39 am
by jconnors
[quote="Forevertj"]Tha band has earned the right to say or do whatever they want. If you don't like it, too bad.


Saying the pledge is not political. It is about patriotism and that has no party. Neither left nor the right. If you are an American and don't like it, move to Mexico. No one will miss you.[/quote]

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