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Taking Carnival Of Souls original thread and removing all the garbage would take too long, so here's a recap.
Carnival Of Souls wrote:I think we're six (?) shows in so far - has anyone collated attendance figures, even if estimated, yet?
If you have something useful to contribute, please do. From my figures (in brackets is the running total) to try and extrapolate attendance from the Wounded Warrior running total. Reported audience figures expected to be reported higher since donations represents paid tickets (which may also be adjusted along the way (or not accurate at all)... We'll post pollstar/boxscores when available Any guesses are in bold, other figures are simple math with possibility of simple math errors.

WOUNDED WARRIOR CHECK RUNNING TOTALS
Cheyenne - 15,884 (15,884)
Minot - 14,482 (30,366)
Pittsburgh - 8,795 (39,161)
Cincinatti - 16,602 (55,763)
Hershey - 16,228 (71,991)
Philadelphia - ~7,500 (?)
Boston - ~12,000 (91,321)
Indianapolis - 14,611 (105,932)
Sault Ste Marie - 4,700 (not counted towards the WW donation)
Darien Lake - 16,959 (122,891)
Jones Beach - 14,532 (137,423)
Scranton - 15,362 (152,785)
Saratoga Springs - 17,128 (169,913)
Uncasville - 14,830 (184,743)
Homdel - 17,185 (201,928)
Bristow - 15,600 (217,528)
Virginia Beach - 15,943 (233,471)
Charlotte - 17,773 (251,744)
Raleigh - 16,213 (267,957)
Atlanta - 14,747 (282,704)
Milwaukee - 12,526 (295,230)
Chicago - 17,458 (312,668)
St. Paul - 27,565 (340,233)
Toronto - (not counted towards the WW donation)
Detroit - 32,121 (372,354)
Cleveland - 16,738 (389,092)
Houston - 16,216 (405,308)
Dallas - 20,274 (425,582)
San Antonio - 14,792 (440,374)
Sandy - 18,278 (458,652)
Phoenix - 17,627 (476,279)
Fontana - 24,748 (501,018)
Monterrey - ~8,500 (not counted towards the WW donation)
Mexico City - ~15,000 (not counted towards the WW donation)
Mexico City - ~15,000 (not counted towards the WW donation)
Guadalajara - (not counted towards the WW donation)

OFFICIAL INDUSTRY RETURNS
Cheyenne -
Minot -
Pittsburgh -
Cincinatti -
Hershey - 6,961 / 12,674 ($429,831)
Philadelphia -
Boston -
Indianapolis -
Sault Ste Marie -
Darien Lake -
Jones Beach -
Scranton -
Saratoga Springs -
Uncasville -
Homdel -
Bristow -
Virginia Beach -
Charlotte -
Raleigh -
Atlanta -
Milwaukee -
Chicago -
St. Paul -
Toronto -
Detroit - 14,337 / 14,337 ($543,235)
Cleveland -
Houston -
Dallas -
San Antonio -
Sandy -
Phoenix -
Fontana -
Monterrey -
Mexico City -
Mexico City -
Guadalajara -

Oct. 2, 2010... This thread has some legs left yet...
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There were WAYYYYYY more than 8,750 people at Pittsburgh. The Pavillion was completely full and the pavillion holds 7,000 or something like that and then the lawn probably had a good 13,000.

I'd say anwhere from 19,000-21,000
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twdavis wrote:There were WAYYYYYY more than 8,750 people at Pittsburgh. The Pavillion was completely full and the pavillion holds 7,000 or something like that and then the lawn probably had a good 13,000.

I'd say anwhere from 19,000-21,000
Read his statement

"Reported audience figures expected to be reported higher since donations represents paid tickets"


Free lawn seats are not counted and I've been told be a life long bud that works at Live Nation that these $10 lawn seats are being treated just like FREE lawn seats(not counted).I don't know personally(just relaying what I was told) but that would explain the low "reported" numbers for Pittsburgh when every picture shows the place packed.



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Sault Ste. Marie was 4,700, according to local news sites.
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wow im surprised cincinnati had that many people. Great turnout :shock:
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I've been to the Comcast Center in Mansfield (Boston) many times over about 20 years. I'd estimate attendance at the show to be 10-12,000. Pavillion was 95% full at 7800 capacity, the uncovered seating and lawn holds the remainder of the venues 19,000 capacity. Although sparsely populated, 3-5000 people spread over that area seems entirely possible to me
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Hershey was empty and security said they had around 7,000 so that figure is totally bogus. They also did not offer free lawn seats that night since there isn't any lawn at Hersheypark Stadium.

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drdelaware wrote:Hershey was empty and security said they had around 7,000 so that figure is totally bogus. They also did not offer free lawn seats that night since there isn't any lawn at Hersheypark Stadium.

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The check presented at Hershey represented total adjusted paid attendance for all shows up to Hershey,not meaning that all of the 16,000 added to checked that night were at Hershey,but an adjusted(new) total up through Hershey.It's a rolling total.





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Cheyenne - 15,884 (15,884)
Minot - 14,482 (30,366)
Pittsburgh - 8,795 (39,161)
Cincinatti - 16,602 (55,763)
Hershey - 16,228 (71,991) -adjusted total thru this show.
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But You did just post a picture of a venue that holds 30,000 about a third full.
Actually you'd think that the front 2 sections on each side were full from that pic, but they weren't. You can see that the 3rd section out was full pre show while the sections in front closer to the stage weren't, and didn't completely fill. Granted this photo was earlier, but the 3rd section out was the most full in the grandstands - probably because it has less of an angle.

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13,500 tickets were put up for sale for hershey i think kiss did about 8000 seems about right thats a liittle more then what they drew on rock the nation
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these are really good turnouts. i am surprised they are drawing this much considering the economy and the overall state of the music business.
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scottkfan1 wrote:13,500 tickets were put up for sale for hershey i think kiss did about 8000 seems about right thats a liittle more then what they drew on rock the nation
How does their count of money get them over 16,000 in Hershey when only 13,500 were put up for sale?

Seems the running total is not very accurate.
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drdelaware wrote:Hershey was empty and security said they had around 7,000 so that figure is totally bogus. They also did not offer free lawn seats that night since there isn't any lawn at Hersheypark Stadium.

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Yeah, that looks empty...I mean, other than the people there.
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Spirit wrote:
scottkfan1 wrote:13,500 tickets were put up for sale for hershey i think kiss did about 8000 seems about right thats a liittle more then what they drew on rock the nation
How does their count of money get them over 16,000 in Hershey when only 13,500 were put up for sale?

Seems the running total is not very accurate.



The check presented at Hershey represented total adjusted paid attendance for all shows up to Hershey,not meaning that all of the 16,000 added to checked that night were at Hershey,but an adjusted(new) total up through Hershey.It's a rolling total.


But you being of such intelligence know that. :lol:
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kissthat wrote:
Spirit wrote:
scottkfan1 wrote:13,500 tickets were put up for sale for hershey i think kiss did about 8000 seems about right thats a liittle more then what they drew on rock the nation
How does their count of money get them over 16,000 in Hershey when only 13,500 were put up for sale?

Seems the running total is not very accurate.



The check presented at Hershey represented total adjusted paid attendance for all shows up to Hershey,not meaning that all of the 16,000 added to checked that night were at Hershey,but an adjusted(new) total up through Hershey.It's a rolling total.


But you being of such intelligence know that. :lol:
So for each show, the total is worthless.
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Re: HSOE Attendance so far?

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The Phantom of the Park wrote:
drdelaware wrote:Hershey was empty and security said they had around 7,000 so that figure is totally bogus. They also did not offer free lawn seats that night since there isn't any lawn at Hersheypark Stadium.

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Yeah, that looks empty...I mean, other than the people there.
Well considering only 3 of the 8 sections on each side were open it wasn't exactly capacity. Do the math - 6 of 16 sections open plus the floor - yeah it was a sellout and mobbed. :lol:


They just shouldn't have played Hershey and Camden so close together. I think attendance has been really good over all.
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drdelaware wrote:
Well considering only 3 of the 8 sections on each side were open it wasn't exactly capacity. Do the math - 6 of 16 sections open plus the floor - yeah it was a sellout and mobbed. :lol:


They just shouldn't have played Hershey and Camden so close together. I think attendance has been really good over all.
You said Hershey was "empty", then proceeded to post a pic showing people at the show...you do the math :lol:
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The Phantom of the Park wrote:
drdelaware wrote:
Well considering only 3 of the 8 sections on each side were open it wasn't exactly capacity. Do the math - 6 of 16 sections open plus the floor - yeah it was a sellout and mobbed. :lol:


They just shouldn't have played Hershey and Camden so close together. I think attendance has been really good over all.
You said Hershey was "empty", then proceeded to post a pic showing people at the show...you do the math :lol:
Yeah , but right now we don't have individual show numbers.All we have is a running total that is shown at each show. We do know there's 105,932 plus the 4700 from the make up show for the whole tour .We just don't know individual show paid attendance yet.And as the Admin. pointed out this total will only go up once the free lawn seats are added in.
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What was the average attendance for the Alive 35 US leg?
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Shockstar wrote:What was the average attendance for the Alive 35 US leg?
9837
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Shockstar wrote:What was the average attendance for the Alive 35 US leg?
9837
That's great !
And this tour looks like it might be pretty similar so far. Maybe even more than that.
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These are very solid numbers. Let's not forget that we had people predicting that KISS would pull 4/5k per night on the HSOE tour, due to oversaturation from touring last year.
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122,891 paid total HSOE Show 10: 8/13/10 - Buffalo, NY


16,959 paid added
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kissthat wrote:122,891 paid total HSOE Show 10: 8/13/10 - Buffalo, NY


16,959 paid attendance
I'd say that's pretty accurate. The venue holds just under 22,000 and while it was packed there was still a few empty seats and some green in the lawn section. I said to my buddy last nite that I figured 17-18,000. Not a bad turnout for a band that's doomed to fail.
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total paid attendance 137,423.

paid attendance added 14,532




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It'll be interesting to compare how KISS' tour works out in the current market. Iron Maiden, who completed their 23 date "Final Frontier" tour (for which I have 22 stats excluding the two festival dates) grossed $14,248,528 with 269,008 of 399,324 tickets sold. Or 67.37% with an average audience of 12228. I don't think these numbers will change substantially if I get the Saskatoon data. They have a similar stage production (sans Paul's mid-floor mini stage) and diehard/casual following...
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Two great bands that work hard and deserve success
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Admin wrote:It'll be interesting to compare how KISS' tour works out in the current market. Iron Maiden, who completed their 23 date "Final Frontier" tour (for which I have 22 stats excluding the two festival dates) grossed $14,248,528 with 269,008 of 399,324 tickets sold. Or 67.37% with an average audience of 12228. I don't think these numbers will change substantially if I get the Saskatoon data. They have a similar stage production (sans Paul's mid-floor mini stage) and diehard/casual following...
Not to mention a less expensive ticket in the Orchestra seating. Maiden did very well, as has KISS.

Nice to see that when many acts have scrapped plans to tour or were forced to cut it short, bands like KISS, MAIDEN, PETTY & THE HEARTBREAKERS, AEROSMITH, RUSH and other classic bands are out there thriving in this lousy economy. Hats off to them.
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KISS is AWESOME!!!! :cheers:
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Not to stir shit up, and I know it's only about a third of the way through the HSOE tour, but as of right now these numbers are better than Alive Worldwide/Reunion numbers. Now hold on before anyone starts popping off on the keyboards. Obviously there's only 35 dates compared to 192, and the total tickets sold arent going to be 2 plus million. But these are the facts:

Alive Worldwide/Reunion 1996, 97 average attendance 13,737
Hottest Show On Earth 2010 as of August 15th 13,742

Not too terrible for a band who was supposed to put up laughable numbers up on this Summers tour. As a matter of fact, if you look at the stats over the last two years, they stand up against any that KISS has ever had. Fact. I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest with any of the naysayers out there, im just saying, "As always, it's great to be a KISS fan."

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Admin wrote:It'll be interesting to compare how KISS' tour works out in the current market. Iron Maiden, who completed their 23 date "Final Frontier" tour (for which I have 22 stats excluding the two festival dates) grossed $14,248,528 with 269,008 of 399,324 tickets sold. Or 67.37% with an average audience of 12228. I don't think these numbers will change substantially if I get the Saskatoon data. They have a similar stage production (sans Paul's mid-floor mini stage) and diehard/casual following...
Maiden's 2010 tour contained their Walmart version stage show: same
stage setup they've used since the "Fear Of The Dark" tour, just with different curtains and scrims, and no pyro. I think they purchased their
current space alien Eddie at Spencers.

KISS put far more money into their stage show.
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Shockstar wrote:What was the average attendance for the Alive 35 US leg?
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headlong wrote:
Admin wrote:It'll be interesting to compare how KISS' tour works out in the current market. Iron Maiden, who completed their 23 date "Final Frontier" tour (for which I have 22 stats excluding the two festival dates) grossed $14,248,528 with 269,008 of 399,324 tickets sold. Or 67.37% with an average audience of 12228. I don't think these numbers will change substantially if I get the Saskatoon data. They have a similar stage production (sans Paul's mid-floor mini stage) and diehard/casual following...
Maiden's 2010 tour contained their Walmart version stage show: same
stage setup they've used since the "Fear Of The Dark" tour, just with different curtains and scrims, and no pyro. I think they purchased their
current space alien Eddie at Spencers.

KISS put far more money into their stage show.
i like maiden saw them at msg..there production now is second rate backdrops and the same stage with a few new things.. kiss is touring with 16 semi trucks almost 2 times the amount of gear maiden is using not a knock on maiden at all..there doing well but have only done 16 shows in the usa in the last 12 months were kiss will have done almost 70 in one year..
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152,785 Total paid attendance

not counting Sault Ste Marie - 4,700 (unlikely to be counted towards the WW donation)

15,362 paid attendance added
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do we have the official numbers of sonic boom over europe tour?? i mean average attendance.
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Rey Nocturno wrote:do we have the official numbers of sonic boom over europe tour?? i mean average attendance.
No. Data is only currently available for 7 non-festival shows: 65,230 of 72,775 tickets sold = 89.63% with an average 9,318 show average. This is skewed since those dates available are the smaller UK venues...
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When I add up the data of confirmed shows I get 9 non-festival shows: 119,730 total at an average of 13,303.
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Rey Nocturno wrote:do we have the official numbers of sonic boom over europe tour?? i mean average attendance.
No. Data is only currently available for 7 non-festival shows: 65,230 of 72,775 tickets sold = 89.63% with an average 9,318 show average. This is skewed since those dates available are the smaller UK venues...
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169,913 total paid


17,128 Saratoga paid added
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It is great seeing KISS do so well at this stage of their career. After the success of SBOE, the current American leg really does suggest that they are on a kind of "third wave" of success, and even if Sonic Boom didn't do big numbers, they are still a huge draw in the live arena. Very impressive.
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Carnival Of Souls wrote:It is great seeing KISS do so well at this stage of their career. After the success of SBOE, the current American leg really does suggest that they are on a kind of "third wave" of success, and even if Sonic Boom didn't do big numbers, they are still a huge draw in the live arena. Very impressive.
Right now, they are back to the status they had in 1975: they don't sell many albums, but they do very well on tour.
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Pierre1233 wrote:
Carnival Of Souls wrote:It is great seeing KISS do so well at this stage of their career. After the success of SBOE, the current American leg really does suggest that they are on a kind of "third wave" of success, and even if Sonic Boom didn't do big numbers, they are still a huge draw in the live arena. Very impressive.
Right now, they are back to the status they had in 1975: they don't sell many albums, but they do very well on tour.
Interesting perspective!
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Carnival Of Souls wrote:It is great seeing KISS do so well at this stage of their career. After the success of SBOE, the current American leg really does suggest that they are on a kind of "third wave" of success, and even if Sonic Boom didn't do big numbers, they are still a huge draw in the live arena. Very impressive.
Does this mean that once this wave has ended, that they'll be on the phone again??

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I really think Kiss is killing em at these shows. They r winning over new fans. I heard so many people I know that attended, rave and say that they will never miss a Kiss show again. I would love to see them get back in the studio and give us a really kick ass record, wait a little and tour in 2012.
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Post by headlong »

twdavis wrote:
Carnival Of Souls wrote:It is great seeing KISS do so well at this stage of their career. After the success of SBOE, the current American leg really does suggest that they are on a kind of "third wave" of success, and even if Sonic Boom didn't do big numbers, they are still a huge draw in the live arena. Very impressive.
Does this mean that once this wave has ended, that they'll be on the phone again??

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Post by drgbootz »

$184743 new chq amount so Mohegan had 14830
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Post by kissthat »

:thumleft: To date, KISS has raised $184,743.00.Thats quite and average.


This excludes

Sault Ste Marie - 4,700 (unlikely to be counted towards the WW donation)
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Post by scottkfan1 »

moheagen holds 10,000