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"Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:15 pm
by timstar78

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Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:29 pm
by Den Dennis
8)

Damn, I'm running out of space for all these cool books.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:32 pm
by Ironfist76
Sweet! :eric:

I hope it comes with an "I" video bonus disc. :wink:

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:45 pm
by Ara78
Yes.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:48 pm
by douloveme
So cool! Can't wait. I'm ready to order now!!!

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:59 pm
by brokentiny
Great stuff Tim.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:04 pm
by Rhiannon
Great idea, how about doing an audio cd to go with it.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:18 pm
by Australia
:shock: , Yes, finally.
Please make it deluxe, you know the people that want this , WANT THIS.
Um, so what month is fall in USA?, sorry but am serious

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:38 pm
by shandi777
WANT!

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:39 pm
by crimsonharpoon
Despite it being the first hour of 2016, I'm ready to fast forward to September ... very much looking forward to this!!!

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:44 pm
by Australia
September, you are kidding, too far away

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:42 pm
by downboys
I can't wait!!!!!!

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:44 am
by Fickdich
Awesome! I can't wait!

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:52 am
by px74
I'm in

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:20 am
by cdb1
Very cool.

About 10 years ago I was invited to pitch an idea for the 33 1/3rd series and I pitched The Elder, but I didn't get selected. I have no idea how I would've proceeded if I had gotten picked, but I was disappointed not to have the chance to figure it out. Looking forward to seeing someone else's results!

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 2:04 am
by thekevinlc
Awesome! I'm already sold!

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 2:46 am
by Smekaren
:cheers:

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 3:04 am
by jannep17
Den Dennis wrote:8)

Damn, I'm running out of space for all these cool books.
Damn, I don't have the time to read all these cool books.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 4:38 am
by highvoltage1969
Australia wrote::shock: , Yes, finally.
Please make it deluxe, you know the people that want this , WANT THIS.
Um, so what month is fall in USA?, sorry but am serious
Have you heard of Google ? :wink:

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 6:09 am
by dylanfree
Count me in on a pre-sale purchase. Let me know how I can do that.
Also more than happy to donate to the production costs for this run if you need it. PM me if you guys need any help.
Cannot wait for September!

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 7:58 am
by Easy Catman
Great news I will be buying this, in-depth analysis of the solo albums and Destroyer in 2015, Elder in 2016 excellent that these releases are getting the treatment that they deserve.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:04 am
by Kaligula
Wow! Sign me up!

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:50 am
by Planet Caravan
It better have the complete info about the pre-Elder sessions as well.

Those events are also integral to the Elder era and how that album came to be made.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:54 am
by THUNDERKISS66
Fantastic.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:07 am
by Marcus Almighty
Awesome. The first thing I'm looking forward to for 2016 and if "Gene Ace Peter & Paul" is a taste of what's to come then this book is going to be off the scale. I'm still reading Gene Ace Peter and Paul...like my 4th read.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:09 am
by Mike's KISS 1978
:shock:

Wow! Cannot wait for this!

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:16 am
by banks
OMG!!

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:49 am
by Kissologist
Great! I really enjoy Tim's interviews 8)

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:54 am
by Augmented6
The anticipation is gonna kill me. So psyched for this.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:59 am
by abusername
Excellent!

Another great book to look forward to.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:08 pm
by Deuce1231
Looking forward to this!!

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 2:07 pm
by shupey
Ironfist76 wrote:Sweet! :eric:

I hope it comes with an "I" video bonus disc. :wink:
For the first time in 2016 I just wet myself. Excited as hell about this book. Maybe there will be a deluxe edition offering the "I" video as an exclusive goodie.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 4:41 pm
by The Fox
timstar78 wrote:
Or click here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tmrgeHWaf8
The music in this promo clip is better than anything on The Elder. :P

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:07 pm
by PitViper
That will be very cool!

Like one poster said, I'm gonna run out of room for all the Kool KISS books taking up room on my shelves!

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:08 pm
by 69th_B1izard
Ironfist76 wrote:Sweet! :eric:

I hope it comes with an "I" video bonus disc. :wink:
This!

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:30 am
by Curveboy
Can't wait!!

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:58 am
by StarChildBlade
WOW! Super excited about this book! I just liked your page on Facebook. Definitely looking forward to the book release.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:37 am
by Smekaren
PitViper wrote:That will be very cool!

Like one poster said, I'm gonna run out of room for all the Kool KISS books taking up room on my shelves!
I just cleared another shelf to make room. I'm presently trying to collect all KISS books out there. 8)

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:25 pm
by AceCarr
I've been waiting for an Elder book to come out and it looks like my wish is coming true. Can't wait to read this.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:38 pm
by Australia
Planet Caravan wrote:It better have the complete info about the pre-Elder sessions as well.

Those events are also integral to the Elder era and how that album came to be made.
Was Auckland NZ the last show of 1980?, How many pages can a book be? But that would be a nice time to start it off, Back stage after that show.
See you guys at ACE's in January?
As the guys wiped the greasepaint off, Ace mentioned his studio or no further part in the band?

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:01 pm
by GACatmandu
If this book is released, this may be one that I will be getting.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:42 am
by Planet Caravan
Australia wrote:
Planet Caravan wrote:It better have the complete info about the pre-Elder sessions as well.

Those events are also integral to the Elder era and how that album came to be made.
Was Auckland NZ the last show of 1980?, How many pages can a book be? But that would be a nice time to start it off, Back stage after that show.
See you guys at ACE's in January?
As the guys wiped the greasepaint off, Ace mentioned his studio or no further part in the band?
It was an exciting time for the band. They just finished a kickass tour, they had a great new drummer and I think they were all excited. After the Aus/NZ tour they reconvened at Ace's home studio in January '81 and reportedly recorded at least 4 songs with Rob Freeman, who had worked on Ace's solo album.

2 of the tracks recorded were the original Deadly Weapons, and Nowhere to Run (the version on "Killers" I believe is an alternate take or remix).

Ezrin only became involved a month or so later. And that's when it started going off the rails.

To me this pre-Elder to Elder era is SO intriguing. Its possibly the biggest ever fork in the road for Kiss. On one path they could make a hard rock album, possibly win back some of their fanbase, keep most of the original band intact and keep their multimillion dollar Polygram record deal.

But on the other path they make a bullshit medieval sword and sorcerer concept album with a coked out megalomaniac producer, shatter the band, lose their multimillion dollar record deal and whatever remained of their fanbase thinks they are a joke.

All of these early events shaped what came after with COTN, what came after with Lick It Up and all of the 80s. In fact it shaped everything that would follow all the way up to the Reunion.

There's a little bit of info of those early sessions here: http://www.kissasylum.com/news/2012/11/ ... -sessions/

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:14 am
by LordThurisaz
Planet Caravan wrote:
Australia wrote:
Planet Caravan wrote:It better have the complete info about the pre-Elder sessions as well.

Those events are also integral to the Elder era and how that album came to be made.
Was Auckland NZ the last show of 1980?, How many pages can a book be? But that would be a nice time to start it off, Back stage after that show.
See you guys at ACE's in January?
As the guys wiped the greasepaint off, Ace mentioned his studio or no further part in the band?
It was an exciting time for the band. They just finished a kickass tour, they had a great new drummer and I think they were all excited. After the Aus/NZ tour they reconvened at Ace's home studio in January '81 and reportedly recorded at least 4 songs with Rob Freeman, who had worked on Ace's solo album.

2 of the tracks recorded were the original Deadly Weapons, and Nowhere to Run (the version on "Killers" I believe is an alternate take or remix).

Ezrin only became involved a month or so later. And that's when it started going off the rails.

To me this pre-Elder to Elder era is SO intriguing. Its possibly the biggest ever fork in the road for Kiss. On one path they could make a hard rock album, possibly win back some of their fanbase, keep most of the original band intact and keep their multimillion dollar Polygram record deal.

But on the other path they make a bullshit medieval sword and sorcerer concept album with a coked out megalomaniac producer, shatter the band, lose their multimillion dollar record deal and whatever remained of their fanbase thinks they are a joke.

All of these early events shaped what came after with COTN, what came after with Lick It Up and all of the 80s. In fact it shaped everything that would follow all the way up to the Reunion.

There's a little bit of info of those early sessions here: http://www.kissasylum.com/news/2012/11/ ... -sessions/
The album they were working on would've been a lot more intriguing than a second rate Castles and Beasts wannabe Dungeons and Dragons crap. Pure unadulterated, mediocre pap. Thanks Ezrin. The pre Elder era is intriguing. The Elder era is a joke that's not intended, as the whole thing is apparently meant to be taken seriously, which makes the entire debacle more than a bit sad. When the phrase "lost the plot" gets used by publications, I'm sure they explain it similar to, "So and so lost the plot, but certainly not on the level of Music from "The Elder"."

One of the few times I can think of where a record company should've been like "We'll pay you DOUBLE to bury this turd with the Atari ET games, and to start over." If Killers would've been a full album and this thing would've been forgotten entirely, it probably would've went over way better not to mention Ace probably wouldn't have left -- at least not at this juncture in the band's history. If Destroyer should've gotten Ezrin punched "on behalf of the KISS Army," this should've gotten him jumped and dumped in a dumpster. This is the musical equivalent of a travesty, as it represents the band in a false and completely warped fashion.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:03 pm
by goinblind
Planet Caravan wrote:There's a little bit of info of those early sessions here: http://www.kissasylum.com/news/2012/11/ ... -sessions/
Wow, Bob Ezrin's quip to Rob Freeman about "If you didn’t get all that, you shouldn’t be working with me" was incredibly shitty. No wonder he hasn't produced anything of note since that day (sorry, outside of "Unholy," Revenge sucks -- it's an unfocused mess from a producer's standpoint at the very least). What a self-absorbed, delusional asshole.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:52 am
by sugardaddy
I LOVE the Elder and that era. A lot of "what if's" for sure, but if the book is anything like the NovElder feature a couple years ago, I am sooooo geared for this book.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 5:46 pm
by kinetic74
goinblind wrote:
Planet Caravan wrote:There's a little bit of info of those early sessions here: http://www.kissasylum.com/news/2012/11/ ... -sessions/
Wow, Bob Ezrin's quip to Rob Freeman about "If you didn’t get all that, you shouldn’t be working with me" was incredibly shitty. No wonder he hasn't produced anything of note since that day (sorry, outside of "Unholy," Revenge sucks -- it's an unfocused mess from a producer's standpoint at the very least). What a self-absorbed, delusional asshole.
He'd just come off the MEGA success of The Wall with Pink Floyd and was, apparently, dealing with a gargantuan cocaine addiction at the time.

So i'm sure the natural + artificial arrogance factor was turned up to 10!! Cocaine's a helluva drug as they say.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:11 pm
by goinblind
kinetic74 wrote:
goinblind wrote:
Planet Caravan wrote:There's a little bit of info of those early sessions here: http://www.kissasylum.com/news/2012/11/ ... -sessions/
Wow, Bob Ezrin's quip to Rob Freeman about "If you didn’t get all that, you shouldn’t be working with me" was incredibly shitty. No wonder he hasn't produced anything of note since that day (sorry, outside of "Unholy," Revenge sucks -- it's an unfocused mess from a producer's standpoint at the very least). What a self-absorbed, delusional asshole.
He'd just come off the MEGA success of The Wall with Pink Floyd and was, apparently, dealing with a gargantuan cocaine addiction at the time.

So i'm sure the natural + artificial arrogance factor was turned up to 10!! Cocaine's a helluva drug as they say.
Yea, and good for him ... he got control and made a shitty album and hasn't produced anything noteworthy since.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:52 pm
by redinthesky
Not a fan of The Elder but I'd read. Probably infinitely more interesting than the "movie" that was never made (thankfully) from a few years ago. Best of luck.

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:53 pm
by LordThurisaz
goinblind wrote:
kinetic74 wrote:
goinblind wrote:
Planet Caravan wrote:There's a little bit of info of those early sessions here: http://www.kissasylum.com/news/2012/11/ ... -sessions/
Wow, Bob Ezrin's quip to Rob Freeman about "If you didn’t get all that, you shouldn’t be working with me" was incredibly shitty. No wonder he hasn't produced anything of note since that day (sorry, outside of "Unholy," Revenge sucks -- it's an unfocused mess from a producer's standpoint at the very least). What a self-absorbed, delusional asshole.
He'd just come off the MEGA success of The Wall with Pink Floyd and was, apparently, dealing with a gargantuan cocaine addiction at the time.

So i'm sure the natural + artificial arrogance factor was turned up to 10!! Cocaine's a helluva drug as they say.
Yea, and good for him ... he got control and made a shitty album and hasn't produced anything noteworthy since.
Who are we talking about again? :lol:

Re: "Odyssey": Definitive Book On The Elder Coming Fall 2016

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:48 am
by Australia
I believe those pre Elder sessions at ACEINTHEHOLE show Kiss had very little to work with, a new rock album would have been mediocre at best, and would have done nothing to lift Kiss fan base in the states.
The only solution was to get Bob Ezrin back to help with the songs, but unfortunatly the record company then stepped in and fucked the whole concept up, by removing important dialogue and song running order.
Nothing would have worked for Kiss in 1981, if it was released in 1978 (and they had beaten Pink Floyd to the Table) we would by now be watching THE ELDER MOVIE on blu ray.
The concept is fine, and has worked for 1000s of years dating back to JESUS CHRIST, and then more recently SUPERMAN and STAR WARS!
Music From THE ELDER returned Kiss to some of it's Heaviest Music since Hotter Than Hell, eg, The Oath, Only You/Under The Rose and Mr Blackwell, and then i will add Escape From and Dark Light as alternatives.
I guess if you did not live through Dynasty (perticularly IWMFLU) or Unmasked you can not understand the timming nor nature of this album, so maybe you will never get it, so stop trying, OR maybe listen to The Elder in context and play thru Dynasty, then Unmasked , AND THEN THE ELDER, you may see it differently.