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Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:09 am
by Nellcote71
steve wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:38 pm
Nellcote71 wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:31 pmKiss with the original members in the 70’s was potentially comparable to bands like Aerosmith or ZZ Top - but the G&P+ sidemen versions of Kiss were no where’s near those bands.
Except Aerosmith's first six albums, and those of AC/DC, Rush, Queen, Blue Oyster Cult and Van Halen are all more consistent from front to back, and more highly regarded, than anything KISS recorded with the original members that you and so many others insist on fawning over.

Even at the peak of their popularity, KISS were more concerned with churning out new product to keep the show on the road than putting in the time and effort to produce quality material that deserved to be remembered by anyone outside the die hard fan base.
Everyone back in the day were churning out product & staying on the road. it was typical of the era and how you built your fan base up. Duh...

Kiss, HTH, DTK, Alive!, Love Gun, Ace 78 are all stone cold classics. Kiss rocked just as hard as those you mentioned.
I love Aerosmith. But I could argue Kiss & HTH buried Aerosmith’s first two albums. (Aerosmith recorded just two classics with Toys & Rocks) Kiss’ output in the 70’s was fantastic.

You’re an anomaly that prefers Kiss lite. Which is your entitled opinion, but it’s not the norm...

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:38 am
by TheSpoiler
Nellcote71 wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:09 am
You’re an anomaly that prefers Kiss lite. Which is your entitled opinion, but it’s not the norm...
You're describing the heavier material as "Kiss Lite"? Or is this just another putdown to an era that you disapprove of?

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:56 am
by Nellcote71
TheSpoiler wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:38 am
Nellcote71 wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:09 am
You’re an anomaly that prefers Kiss lite. Which is your entitled opinion, but it’s not the norm...
You're describing the heavier material as "Kiss Lite"? Or is this just another putdown to an era that you disapprove of?
80’s Kiss was a joke. They were one of a million other pedestrian hair bands. And I won’t even go into attack of the clones.

And what heavier material are you referencing?

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:08 am
by JohnBergless
I always like Jimi Hendrix’s answer, when someone praises him as being the greatest:

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:25 am
by TheSpoiler
Nellcote71 wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:56 am
TheSpoiler wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:38 am
Nellcote71 wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:09 am
You’re an anomaly that prefers Kiss lite. Which is your entitled opinion, but it’s not the norm...
You're describing the heavier material as "Kiss Lite"? Or is this just another putdown to an era that you disapprove of?
80’s Kiss was a joke. They were one of a million other pedestrian hair bands. And I won’t even go into attack of the clones.

And what heavier material are you referencing?
Lick It Up, Creatures, Animalize etc. Heavier than what came before by a wide margin. Surely even you wouldn't dispute that. Then again.... :lol:

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:56 am
by Nellcote71
Do you understand that Creatures was just G&P jumping on the HM bandwagon? They were forced to go heavy after multiple flops. Just a phony album - with not a single decent Paul song. LIP was good. Animalize garbage.

Regardless, Kiss was never a heavy metal band - they were a rock and roll band. They lost the rock with Ace and the roll with Peter. Not to say G&P weren’t important - they were. But G&P left to their own devices were a couple of used car salesmen. Zero integrity imo. Once the original band fell apart and Bill was gone they were done. There was nothing unique to them.

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:57 am
by StarChildBlade
Wow. A ten year old thread revived? Yeesh!

Yes, to me, KISS is still the greatest rock band of all time. But, to Rolling Stone magazine and radio listeners around the world, KISS would hardly rate.

But, you know what? We’re millions strong! Never let ‘em getcha’ down—KISS is still the best.

I’m not a fan of what they’ve been doing as a band since after they released Monster, but they’re just out on an extended pre-retirement run indefinitely is how I view what they still do. They’re old. They’re lazy. But they’ve nothing left to prove to me, so let them die out the way they want. I’m good with my memories.

There will never be another band as magical and as big in the history of music, ever again.

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:25 am
by andreww1962
Man, I was as big a KISS fan as anyone back in the day, but I find it hilarious that in 2020, anyone could suggest that KISS were the greatest rock band of all time. KISS does not hold a candle to Led Zep, the Stones, Rush, Aerosmith, Van Halen, or dozens of other bands. The original band put out mildly entertaining songs backed by a killer stage show. Forty years later they are still playing the same material with a boring stage show and fireworks display. This is reality people, and if you think that KISS are kings, you obviously know very little about music.

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:50 am
by TheSpoiler
Nellcote71 wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:56 am Do you understand that Creatures was just G&P jumping on the HM bandwagon? They were forced to go heavy after multiple flops. Just a phony album - with not a single decent Paul song. LIP was good. Animalize garbage.

Regardless, Kiss was never a heavy metal band - they were a rock and roll band. They lost the rock with Ace and the roll with Peter. Not to say G&P weren’t important - they were. But G&P left to their own devices were a couple of used car salesmen. Zero integrity imo. Once the original band fell apart and Bill was gone they were done. There was nothing unique to them.
You're confusing your opinion with fact again, Nell. You do this a lot. While you worship at the altar of Ace & Peter, others of us might find Creatures an Lick It Up more enjoyable. You gonna be able to cope with that? ;)

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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:18 am
by scottbassist
jconnors wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:42 am greatest band ever...STONES

greatest american band....KISS
I love The Stones, but I actually prefer The Who and 1973-1982 Kiss. I have so many favorite bands/artists. 🙂

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:35 pm
by Somebody Backstage
Not even close.

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:12 pm
by stutterer
Greatest American band to my mind. But too many greats for them to compete with from abroad.

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:38 pm
by rwgriffith
Maybe not the GREATEST, but they are definitely my FAVORITE!

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:57 pm
by Grand Classic
StarChildBlade wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:57 am Wow. A ten year old thread revived? Yeesh!

Yes, to me, KISS is still the greatest rock band of all time. But, to Rolling Stone magazine and radio listeners around the world, KISS would hardly rate.

But, you know what? We’re millions strong! Never let ‘em getcha’ down—KISS is still the best.

I’m not a fan of what they’ve been doing as a band since after they released Monster, but they’re just out on an extended pre-retirement run indefinitely is how I view what they still do. They’re old. They’re lazy. But they’ve nothing left to prove to me, so let them die out the way they want. I’m good with my memories.

There will never be another band as magical and as big in the history of music, ever again.
I think it goes far beyond Rolling Stone Magazine and radio listeners. Most die hard rock/metal fans do not consider KISS the greatest band of all time. If anything, they are more likely to think they are among the worst if anything. KISS fans are not new to the mocking for liking KISS.

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:28 pm
by jannep17
In some ways they are, little Timmy. In some ways they are.

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:36 pm
by JohnBergless
The one thing KiSS has - along with perhaps Blue Man Group - is the instant facial recognition thing. Gene flaunts it sometimes; but yes - it’s true. You can show a photo of the 4 KISS characters to almost anyone, anywhere.... and they will be identified as KISS. The “showee” may not like KISS; may not know any of their songs, history or never ever “get it”. But they know who the 4 characters are. That’s very substantial. Instant recognition.

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:37 pm
by StarChildBlade
Grand Classic wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:57 pm
StarChildBlade wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:57 am Wow. A ten year old thread revived? Yeesh!

Yes, to me, KISS is still the greatest rock band of all time. But, to Rolling Stone magazine and radio listeners around the world, KISS would hardly rate.

But, you know what? We’re millions strong! Never let ‘em getcha’ down—KISS is still the best.

I’m not a fan of what they’ve been doing as a band since after they released Monster, but they’re just out on an extended pre-retirement run indefinitely is how I view what they still do. They’re old. They’re lazy. But they’ve nothing left to prove to me, so let them die out the way they want. I’m good with my memories.

There will never be another band as magical and as big in the history of music, ever again.
I think it goes far beyond Rolling Stone Magazine and radio listeners. Most die hard rock/metal fans do not consider KISS the greatest band of all time. If anything, they are more likely to think they are among the worst if anything. KISS fans are not new to the mocking for liking KISS.
WRONG.

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:53 pm
by Grand Classic
StarChildBlade wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:37 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:57 pm
StarChildBlade wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:57 am Wow. A ten year old thread revived? Yeesh!

Yes, to me, KISS is still the greatest rock band of all time. But, to Rolling Stone magazine and radio listeners around the world, KISS would hardly rate.

But, you know what? We’re millions strong! Never let ‘em getcha’ down—KISS is still the best.

I’m not a fan of what they’ve been doing as a band since after they released Monster, but they’re just out on an extended pre-retirement run indefinitely is how I view what they still do. They’re old. They’re lazy. But they’ve nothing left to prove to me, so let them die out the way they want. I’m good with my memories.

There will never be another band as magical and as big in the history of music, ever again.
I think it goes far beyond Rolling Stone Magazine and radio listeners. Most die hard rock/metal fans do not consider KISS the greatest band of all time. If anything, they are more likely to think they are among the worst if anything. KISS fans are not new to the mocking for liking KISS.
WRONG.
It's not and you know this, but whatever. Go to any general hard rock or metal forum and they are often shitting on KISS - while they show appreciation for more "serious" bands. We all have our stories too of hard rock/metal fans making fun of KISS fans, KISS sucks, etc.

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:24 am
by StarChildBlade
Grand Classic wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:53 pm
StarChildBlade wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:37 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:57 pm
StarChildBlade wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:57 am Wow. A ten year old thread revived? Yeesh!

Yes, to me, KISS is still the greatest rock band of all time. But, to Rolling Stone magazine and radio listeners around the world, KISS would hardly rate.

But, you know what? We’re millions strong! Never let ‘em getcha’ down—KISS is still the best.

I’m not a fan of what they’ve been doing as a band since after they released Monster, but they’re just out on an extended pre-retirement run indefinitely is how I view what they still do. They’re old. They’re lazy. But they’ve nothing left to prove to me, so let them die out the way they want. I’m good with my memories.

There will never be another band as magical and as big in the history of music, ever again.
I think it goes far beyond Rolling Stone Magazine and radio listeners. Most die hard rock/metal fans do not consider KISS the greatest band of all time. If anything, they are more likely to think they are among the worst if anything. KISS fans are not new to the mocking for liking KISS.
WRONG.
It's not and you know this, but whatever. Go to any general hard rock or metal forum and they are often shitting on KISS - while they show appreciation for more "serious" bands. We all have our stories too of hard rock/metal fans making fun of KISS fans, KISS sucks, etc.
That’s every band in existence though. AC/DC fans actually think they are some world class musical band on some forums...to me they are a down and dirty 3 chord rock band like Kiss.

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:21 pm
by KLP68
One of the greatest no doubt but it’s subjective. AC/DC one day I believe was the greatest then the next day it will be KISS.

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:54 am
by gappvembe
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Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:22 am
by KrazySwede
rwgriffith wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:38 pm Maybe not the GREATEST, but they are definitely my FAVORITE!
Best answer.

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:42 am
by Mystogan
I'll give my actual answer now.

1974-1980 KISS is the ultimate band to me. The magic when I watch the old videos is always there. and I still love the music and always go back to it. As a whole package I have to say they are easily my favorite because of all the continued interest and joy I get out of that time period. Not to dismiss the other eras, I like most of them also, but those 7 years are the magic ones to me. I don't care how much I know about the band or what they've done in the last 10 years to shit on their legacy, nothing can kill the feeling I get when I watch Sydney 1980 or Tokyo 1977 etc.

Musically I would not say they are the best. I have heard music I think is much better. Bruce Springsteen's run of albums from Born To Run to Tunnel Of Love is the best music I have ever heard personally, it's what hits me the most. If you ask me who I think the best Hard Rock band is, purely on music, it's going to be Ac/Dc with Bon. and when I think "Greatest Rock Band" The Beatles is the first and only thing that comes to mind as #1.

But KISS just has something more to them, something I don't get with any other band. You know, all this music is in retrospect to me. Not something I was ever part of or followed. I have lots of new artists I follow nowadays (primarily Japanese ones) but before I got into that, music in my life was always looking back at stuff before my time. So there is this charm to old KISS that is undeniable. They will always be my #1.

Re: Is KISS the greatest rock band of all time??

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:11 am
by Pollux
Why is Kiss dinosaur rock? What is dinosaur rock, anyway? There is also this concept classic rock. Does it mean good / best rock music ever made? To me it does, yes.