Early KISS Photo Location - Found! (Probably Wasn't A Mystery, But)

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As a hobby, I love taking old photographs and figuring out where they were taken and what that spot looks like today. So this weekend, I did that with a 1972/1973 era KISS photo that I've always wondered where it was taken.

It's a very close-up shot, not crystal clear - so it wasn't too easy but not too hard, either.

Maybe everyone knows where this spot was taken but I didn't. But I still had fun figuring it out.

I thought maybe it was Madison Square Park - which is a big public park directly across from 10 E. 23rd Street. You can clearly see some kind of statue base made out of flat concrete behind Ace (Clue 1) and if you look closely, you can see the statue has a 3-4 inch flat metallic base (Clue 2), as well.

Gene and Paul are sitting on a bench *Clue 3), but the bench is tucked on a corner, because Peter is not on the bench but sitting on the fence of that corner (Clue 4). So I was looking for a bench tucked next to a landscaping corner, where a concrete post would have been.

Lastly, the park in the photo has a short fence with knob-like tops to the posts. If Madison Square Park has similar/same fencing, that could be a bingo.

And it was.

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I spent awhile making circles around the park trying to find which statue base would be even a vague match. But it wasn't until I hit the south-west corner that I found one.

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Metallic base? Check. Smooth concrete, shaped like a cube? Check. Across from 10 E. 23rd? Very close, so check.

But is there a bench tucked against a fence and fence corner? Yes. Looks like the original fence was removed behind this specific bench and replaced with some thin, grid-like fencing for foliage - but it would've been there originally.

Also, the post would've gone right on that corner, in front of where Peter was sitting.

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This could be it!

I couldn't get an exact angle because seeing the black and white photo in sunlight on my phone wasn't easy. But I tried.

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Anyway, this was just a bit of fun for me to do.
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Anyway, like I said - I just enjoy this sort of thing as a hobby. I doubt this was at all a mystery to you guys, but it was a mystery to me so I had fun with it.

If anyone has any other awesome KISS images in NYC or even Boston that you'd like to know where they were taken, I wouldn't mind a project for another time!
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I love this! Thank you!
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That was really cool...plus, I've never seen that photo lol
I love seeing those pics where people meet up at the lamp post from DTK cover or the loft or stairwell pics, really neat stuff.
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Nice detective work!
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Brilliant! I couldn’t have figured that out in a million years!!

Definitely hope you do this again soon!
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Very Cool - nice work!

It's kind of 'MAGIC-al'!
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Good clean fun! I enjoyed that!
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Amazing effort, Saint, and very much appreciated by this KISS fan. Very cool.
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Is this one a known location?

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This is fantastic! That's what it's about!
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Nice detective work! Well done!
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Under The Rose wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:21 am Is this one a known location?

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Not that I'm aware. This one would take some work. But I could possibly figure it out - I'd first check what subway stations are nearest to the Dressed To Kill cover location.

That's where I'd start. I'd assume this is before you pay to get on the subway, so I'd focus on subway entrances. A lot of remodeling was likely done on the subway in that area, so I'd focus more on location of the fencing and contour of the wall, as well as the stair placement (which would be the most obvious giveaway of its location).

I'd also check subway locations nearest to where the band was operating out of. As they may have shot these nearest to where they could store and change into their KISS costumes, proper.

This one would be a toughie.
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Subway pic is West 23rd Street and 8th Avenue.

So says the man who took it anyway https://www.bobgruen.com/kiss-2/?_gallery=gg-97-765
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In the Suds wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:34 am Subway pic is West 23rd Street and 8th Avenue.

So says the man who took it anyway https://www.bobgruen.com/kiss-2/?_gallery=gg-97-765
I can check on that, sometime! Thanks!

If it's true, I'll try to find the spot.
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Awesome work, very interesting!!!
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Very cool!
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Very cool!
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Probably one of the best posts I've seen in years...
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Great post, thank you!!
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I like these kind of threads...
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That’s amazing
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Nice!
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This is pretty damn cool.
Really enjoyed reading your post.
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That was really interesting, thanks for sharing!
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awesome!
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Awesome job! Hopefully Bob's recollection is correct. Most of his pics seen to have correct dates, except 1 I noticed was mislabeled
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VERY IMPRESSIVE!!!!
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Great work! 🕵️‍♂️
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Excellent work and very cool!!!😎😎😎
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Very cool! :D
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Great work, Saint. I love stuff like this, thanks for posting.
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This rocks!! Can’t wait for your next one!!
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Awesome! I think Saint should be the new KISS photo location expert. One or two of the self proclaimed photo location experts have frankly proved to be a little unreliable in recent times.

Excellent photo, I’d never seen it. I didn’t realise they had some outdoor shoots this early in the game. The photo looks like it is front lit very well. So Bill must have got one of his people to go out and do this semi-professional shoot? i.e. someone who had some decent gear and lighting/?
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Awesome work!!!
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SaintN'Sinner83 wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:30 am
Under The Rose wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:21 am Is this one a known location?

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Not that I'm aware. This one would take some work. But I could possibly figure it out - I'd first check what subway stations are nearest to the Dressed To Kill cover location.

That's where I'd start. I'd assume this is before you pay to get on the subway, so I'd focus on subway entrances. A lot of remodeling was likely done on the subway in that area, so I'd focus more on location of the fencing and contour of the wall, as well as the stair placement (which would be the most obvious giveaway of its location).

I'd also check subway locations nearest to where the band was operating out of. As they may have shot these nearest to where they could store and change into their KISS costumes, proper.

This one would be a toughie.
Yeah, can imagine it could be impossible to locate the spot due to remodeling. And there’s not going to be any phone boxes there for sure. You mentioned stair placement, but I can’t even see stairs in the pic. Am I missing something?

Very cool that you have all these ideas of where you could start. Is this kind of sleuth work in anyway related to your job?
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My bad…I cam see the flight of stairs now…had to brighten the image first!
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SaintN'Sinner83 wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:30 am
Under The Rose wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:21 am Is this one a known location?

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Not that I'm aware. This one would take some work. But I could possibly figure it out - I'd first check what subway stations are nearest to the Dressed To Kill cover location.

That's where I'd start. I'd assume this is before you pay to get on the subway, so I'd focus on subway entrances. A lot of remodeling was likely done on the subway in that area, so I'd focus more on location of the fencing and contour of the wall, as well as the stair placement (which would be the most obvious giveaway of its location).

I'd also check subway locations nearest to where the band was operating out of. As they may have shot these nearest to where they could store and change into their KISS costumes, proper.

This one would be a toughie.
Could it be a public toilets? They’re not so common these days, but the tiles kind of have that feel to them, and would be a suitable location to change clothes. Perhaps entrance to toilets at a subway station?
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They changed clothes at Bob Gruen's studio.
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I like that ! That's why I'm a faquer !
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Pretty cool!
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Nice 8)
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balish wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:14 am They changed clothes at Bob Gruen's studio.
Thanks Alain. That’s another clue! :D
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Super cool! That's awesome 🤘🏻

I've never done the detective work, but I've always enjoyed recognizing and appreciating where certain things happened.

The last time I traveled to England, I made it a point to see the spot where Bowie did the Ziggy Stardust cover and the exact spot where Kiss took the photos in front of Big Ben.
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What a great research :)
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Not Kiss but I would love to see what this place looks like today.
And the kid..
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Under The Rose wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:59 pmVery cool that you have all these ideas of where you could start. Is this kind of sleuth work in anyway related to your job?
Nope - I just really love studying history (my minor in college, just graduated in May) and I enjoy finding places where photographs were taken today. It's a bit like researching local history and digging up the past. Just a fun little thing to do.
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SaintN'Sinner83 wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:25 am
Under The Rose wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:59 pmVery cool that you have all these ideas of where you could start. Is this kind of sleuth work in anyway related to your job?
Nope - I just really love studying history (my minor in college, just graduated in May) and I enjoy finding places where photographs were taken today. It's a bit like researching local history and digging up the past. Just a fun little thing to do.
Good stuff. It does sound something I’d like to do too, although I wouldn’t have your talent for it!
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Thats very cool! Excellent detective work! Thanks for sharing!
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Nice detective work