I found this interesting with a lot of "what ifs" and "if onlys." Definitely sounds like it was written by Vinnie. A few points caught my eye:
- Did Vinnie have a blowout with David Snowden? I had never heard that.
- The idea that Vinnie was "all set to tour, planning out music videos, you name it..." Laughable at best, since Vinnie has NEVER been able to do a single thing on his own.
- The idea that Chrysalis was to blame for ASG not "easily" selling 3 million.
Re: What if Vinnie Vincent Invasion had continued?
Post by VVArchives » Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:59 am
Genebaby wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:50 am
If Vinnie was more normal and a team player as you say then hopefully the second album would have built more good momentum during the touring and promotion phase instead of disintegration.
This would have set the scene for the third ablum to be quite successful, until the Grunge movement hit.
That might have been a problem, but it does depend on the band wether they might have been dropped, which did happen.
Still, the Vinnie we are talking about here, would have pulled himself up by his bootstraps and gotten on with things another way if need be, so there is so much possibility.
I disagree completely. You are talking about 3 different heads at Chrysalis when Vinnie was there.
Why not blame Vinnie's incompetent manager for lying to Chrysalis that Robert was signed? Look at the problems that lie caused.
Look how hugely successful "Vinnie Vincent Invasion" debut was. A huge 29 weeks on BIllboards charts with only 1 single/video. KISS was lucky to stay on 29 weeks with 3 singles & videos. Vinnie was kicking their butt. 23 of those weeks was in the Top 90 on Billboard.
After that huge success, in come new people to screw things up.
Who wasn't a Team Player?
Why not ask, what would have happened if ASG came out when it was scheduled to originally? None of the "meltdown" would have happened.
Ashes To Ashes would have been the lead off single/video (beating Kingdom Come's "Get It On").
Vinnie wouldn't have had all that down time to go through auditioning 50 managers to replace Sewitt.
Vinnie would have been opening for Aerosmith "Permanent Vacation"
Instead, what happened? They lost major opening spot with Aerosmith.
"Get It On" blew up on MTV and "Ashes" got pushed aside
All that down time lead to infighting etc. It also lead to the label getting Mark/Dana to go behind Vinnie's back and stab him. Dana is a POS who edited out solos behind Vinnie's back as he was a lapdog for the label at that point. Talk about non-team players.
And the label screwed up one thing after another.
ASG ccme out in May, but you didn't see "That Time Of Year" come out until 2nd week of July.
Then TTOY didn't get any momentum because it was soon replaced by "Love Kills". Because that had to come out when it did because of the movie promotion.
Of course, David Snowden lied about acting like he saw the video play on their bus which was bs. David had already been banned since early July. At at that point, it didn't matter what the video said, because Vinnie had already had it out with them in July wanting out.
And Chrysalis was about bankrupt by the time Vinnie left. Certainly did get lucky Chyrsalis was bought before their debut came out. And they could spend a fortune helping "break them" with VVI fans help.
Some act like it was odd, Vinnie tried to get Chrysalis to sign him again after he had left, but that was with the new team who came in after they were bought out.
Who knows what would have happened if Enigma didn't run out of money. Vinnie was all set to tour, he was planning out music videos. You name it. That lineup would have been far stronger than the VVI lineup.
And that album certainly is Vinnie's strongest album. And it doesn't show the juvenile production Dana brought to ASG.
And sure Slaughter had a good run with 1 album beneffiting from the Vinnie Vincent years and all the hype. And of course, being on the KISS tour before all those VV fans sure helped as well.
But the Wild Life was a huge drop in sales. 3M to 650K or so. And they were soon dropped by Chrysalis.
I do think if Chrysalis had not screwed up ASG like they did, it would have easily done 3M+