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KIϟϟ Asylum has been accused by some who post here as having an image problem ...

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But whats the alternative? What could the 80's czars of fashion have possibly replaced the iconic Asylum robes with? What would meet with your approval from that decade of decadence? A Miami Vice motif ... perhaps? I don't know; I like Asylum just as it was. But you,though? What image would you choose, instead?

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MAYBE Bruce could have gotten a Crockett haircut. And maybe Gene could have passed himself off as Tubbs somehow.

Eric....IDFK

Paul? Easy. Put him in a pink monokini and call it a day. A horrid nightmare of a day.
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They definitely were having a identity crisis during this time. I think they were becoming too similar to other groups around this era, but as the late 80s came around they seemed to have toned down the sequins and makeup and starting to get their image right.
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You don’t see glittery outfits when you listen to the album. Most of the songs were forgettable, that’s a bigger issue.
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I loved and still love the Asylum Era. Wouldn't change a thing.
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To me it's always Gene that seems out of place, the others fit in with the times. Would have liked Gene to have had a Rob Zombie type of horror vibe in the early unmasked era, seems like a natural for Gene but he went more the David Lee Roth route.
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The songs were the problem, not the image.
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Kissoff wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:48 pm I loved and still love the Asylum Era. Wouldn't change a thing.
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Normal clothes would have been just fine. Jeans, shirts, jackets, leather, etc.

There was no need to go from this to The Golden Girls.

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I don't give a toss about the image and never have. I will say, however, that if the Creatures '85 look had been used to market Asylum, it might have gone over a lot better.
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Kissoff wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:48 pm I loved and still love the Asylum Era. Wouldn't change a thing.
That's the right answer.

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Bruce wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:40 pm
Kissoff wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:48 pm I loved and still love the Asylum Era. Wouldn't change a thing.
That's the right answer.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they have the same stylist as Van Halen at this point?
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I think it’s nice G+P were professional entertainers for 11 years and still had no fucking idea what they were doing.
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the album's mediocre music was exacerbated by the look they adopted. the other three were forgivable, but gene was horrendously lost.
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This look would have been perfectly fine. They all look pretty decent compared to their ridiculous stage outfits.

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Statuegirl21 wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:43 pm You don’t see glittery outfits when you listen to the album. Most of the songs were forgettable, that’s a bigger issue.
That’s one guys opinion. My opinion is it’s one of the most underrated albums in the catalog.
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Yeah nothing screams greatness like I’m Alive, Love’s a Deadly Weapon, Radar for Love and Any Way You Slice It.

Truly seminal moments in the history of American songwriting.

That’s why they’ve played so many cuts from Asylum at every show since 1985. The fans are the bosses, after all.

They’re on all the compilation albums and all over the radio as well.

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I don’t get the criticism of the image. It’s not like KISS were the only ones dressing like this.
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Asylum was just average longwise, the look was horrible. They weren't the only band with that look, but that doesn't make it better. I'm glad it didn't last long.
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Mr Slow wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:18 am I don’t get the criticism of the image. It’s not like KISS were the only ones dressing like this.
And having a similar image sure didn't hurt Bon Jovi and Poison,among others,during that timeframe.
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Leave the hair but absolutely change the threads. Good album, bad look.
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Statuegirl21 wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:16 am Yeah nothing screams greatness like I’m Alive, Love’s a Deadly Weapon, Radar for Love and Any Way You Slice It.

Truly seminal moments in the history of American songwriting.

That’s why they’ve played so many cuts from Asylum at every show since 1985. The fans are the bosses, after all.

They’re on all the compilation albums and all over the radio as well.

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Who says anything KISS ever created was historical or seminal? They were a big dumb rock band, singing about sex and partying. There is no Stairway To Heaven, American Pie, Bohemian Rhapsody or Sweet Home Alabama in the catalog.

ASYLUM got a look in live during that era but just like everything post 70’s/non makeup it has been largely ignored.

As for compilations, see above.

KISS have about 5 songs total that get played on radio, so you can rule that one out too.

Next time you want to try and mock someone for their opinion, try harder.
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Album titles get italicised, songs don’t.

They don’t get capitalised for no reason either. Asylum isn’t an acronym.
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But it is capitalized ...

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Bruce wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:28 pm KIϟϟ Asylum has been accused by some who post here as having an image problem ...

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But whats the alternative? What could the 80's czars of fashion have possibly replaced the iconic Asylum robes with? What would meet with your approval from that decade of decadence? A Miami Vice motif ... perhaps? I don't know; I like Asylum just as it was. But you,though? What image would you choose, instead?

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Sorry but I don't buy the narrative that KISS somehow had no other choice but to look like drag queens in 1985. That's ridiculous! Here's a few of KISS' contemporaries and what THEY looked like in that same time period...

Van Halen

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AC/DC

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Whitesnake

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Judas Priest

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Mothorhead

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Bon Jovi

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Def Leppard

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So don't give me this "what other choice did they have" bullshit. They made a terrible image decision in 1985 and that was to copy the glam look that Motley Crue, Twisted Sister, and Poison adopted. But let's not act like there was NO other alternative!

In fact, looking at the photo of Judas Priest, I find it hilariously ironic that KISS looked "gayer" in 1985 than the band who had an ACTUAL gay lead singer, LOL!
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Mr Slow wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:18 am I don’t get the criticism of the image. It’s not like KISS were the only ones dressing like this.
Just because Bret Michaels or Vince Neil can pull off the glam/androgynous look doesn’t mean Gene Simmons or Eric Carr can. Or Ozzie for that matter. They looked completely ridiculous. If you can’t see that, you are blind.
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Bruce wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:46 am But it is capitalized ...

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Forget him. He’s under his 4th guise here. His know it all, abrasive attitude will be his downfall soon enough. He can’t help himself. Imagine what he’s like in person! :lol:
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Their street looks

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Hi I'm Witz wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:21 am
Bruce wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:28 pm KIϟϟ Asylum has been accused by some who post here as having an image problem ...

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But whats the alternative? What could the 80's czars of fashion have possibly replaced the iconic Asylum robes with? What would meet with your approval from that decade of decadence? A Miami Vice motif ... perhaps? I don't know; I like Asylum just as it was. But you,though? What image would you choose, instead?

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Sorry but I don't buy the narrative that KISS somehow had no other choice but to look like drag queens in 1985. That's ridiculous! Here's a few of KISS' contemporaries and what THEY looked like in that same time period...

Van Halen

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AC/DC

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Whitesnake

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Judas Priest

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Mothorhead

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Bon Jovi

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Def Leppard

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So don't give me this "what other choice did they have" bullshit. They made a terrible image decision in 1985 and that was to copy the glam look that Motley Crue, Twisted Sister, and Poison adopted. But let's not act like there was NO other alternative!
I think you’re being a bit selective with your images there. Some of those bands you listed also had a glam phase. Maybe not quite as radical as KISS, but the point of KISS was to always strive to be the most over the top image wise. To wear jeans & t-shirts after being so outrageous in the 70’s would have been a total 180.

I’m not saying I love the look they had. But to suggest they were the only ones who detoured is not accurate. And it should be pointed out that it’s not a terrible image decision just because you didn’t like it. Love it or hate it, the image and the style of music they played kept them alive with the MTV crowd.
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Only thing I would change is Pauls dancing at the end of the Who Wants to Be Lonely video. Some of the outfits and make up were over the top but it was the 80s so enjoy the 80s excess. It should be noted that Poison hadn't put out a record yet. Was it more them trying to go with a Theater of Pain Motley look?
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weboes wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:56 am Only thing I would change is Pauls dancing at the end of the Who Wants to Be Lonely video. Some of the outfits and make up were over the top but it was the 80s so enjoy the 80s excess. It should be noted that Poison hadn't put out a record yet. Was it more them trying to go with a Theater of Pain Motley look?
I think they absolutely were chasing Motley Crue at this point.
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Similar image to Lick it Up and Animalize era. Still 80s looking but not as ridiculous.
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They went too far with the Asylum look. Toned down, it might have worked, but they went way too far over the top.

And the back cover of the album should have been the front cover. That front cover turned a lot of people off and may have cost them some sales.
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Fashions in the 80s changed every year. The leather and studs of 82 got more colourful by 83 which led to fritzed-up hair, animal print and torn spandex by 84. 85 was all about sequins and glitz. Things started to become toned down by late-87.
KISS's look was just right for the era. They were not gonna go out there in black leather or denim and why would we want them to anyway!?
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LoveGun77 wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:32 am
Mr Slow wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:18 am I don’t get the criticism of the image. It’s not like KISS were the only ones dressing like this.
And having a similar image sure didn't hurt Bon Jovi and Poison,among others,during that timeframe.
Agree, but they did not have the history that KISS did and didnt used to look like total badasses.
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Metalion_SOS wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:17 pm Fashions in the 80s changed every year. The leather and studs of 82 got more colourful by 83 which led to fritzed-up hair, animal print and torn spandex by 84. 85 was all about sequins and glitz. Things started to become toned down by late-87.
KISS's look was just right for the era. They were not gonna go out there in black leather or denim and why would we want them to anyway!?
Good point. We have to remember that KISS had already been around 12 years by 1985. As hard as it is to believe because they were only in their 30’s, they were considered elder statesmen of hard rock at that point. To steer away from the loud image and musical trends would have made them seem even older.
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Mr Slow wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:18 am I don’t get the criticism of the image. It’s not like KISS were the only ones dressing like this.
One many fucking times does it need to be pointed out what works for young pretty boy bands doesn't work for the ugly guys in KISS.

KISS even looks worse than Ozzy.

The whole reason why KISS didn't go glam in the 70's is because they looked completely stupid with that look then - but obviously they forgot this realization from the 70's in 1985 and went completely over the top with that ridiculous look.
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Tail of a hurricane wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:53 pm
Kissoff wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:48 pm I loved and still love the Asylum Era. Wouldn't change a thing.
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Love the Asylum era. The album was decent, and had enough MTV play to remain relevant.

Regarding the image, I never had a problem with it. One of music's most visual bands using an over the top image? Sounds right in line with what I'd expect from them.
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Taking on board the "Kiss looked like The Golden Girls " comments, when I was a fair bit younger (and arguably only slightly less silly !) at rock / metal club nites I, and about 50% of peeps, would often dress not unlike the Kiss Asylum look :shock: with literally more hair spray & make-up than, yes, my mommy, my sister, my girlfriend and many other females. And that was just the guys, literally, work colleagues I bumped into on such occasions had their eyes were out on stalks. (I can't imagine why !) We probably looked ridiculous (only probably ?) but it was all good fun. Bear in mind I live in the UK, not always the most tolerant nation regarding 'the fashions of youth'. There were the 'metal heads', the 'glammies' (!), 'the thrashers', etc , etc, but we all got on great not a hint of trouble as we were "all just there for the music, man". In other words, and posters may not believe this, the Kiss Asylum look was kinda of its time. Sadly, rock / metal club nites have all but disappeared I only have my (none more) black hair as a reminder to good times past and I certainly wouldn't be caught dead looking as how I did on occasion back then. Well, I wouldn't get caught anyway :lol: ...
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Hi I'm Witz wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:21 am


So don't give me this "what other choice did they have" bullshit.
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Interesting responses, so far! But I'm doubling down, all the same. And digging my heels in, even further. Because, in my view, Asylum was -- and is -- absolutely in line with the image KIϟϟ has always maintained. I think it works, perfectly ...

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Gene said that at that time, they were so lost, they couldn't even see that the album cover sucked...
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I love Asylum. Secretly Cruel could easily be a song in the 70's era. They just looked so awkward looking like that.
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steve wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:03 pm I don't give a toss about the image and never have. I will say, however, that if the Creatures '85 look had been used to market Asylum, it might have gone over a lot better.
I think so too.
And the (inner) sleeve images were way more down to earth, a total difference from the onstage look. What was the reason behind that?

But it's the music and not the glitter that Ilisten to.
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I adore Miami Vice! 8) But perhaps would not have worked for Kiss. :lol:

Gene was the only one who looked ridiculous.
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I read it "Asylum as you would hate it". Hey, as IF I would hate it! It's an ok album. :D
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Funny how many fans will mock the over the top ASYLUM image but also criticise the leather clad REVENGE era. What exactly did you want from them? It almost seems like nothing they did out of makeup pleased some of you. But now even that is a source of anger because there are 2 new guys wearing it!

If you really disapprove of so much of the music and the image beyond 1978 then maybe you just aren’t as big a fan as you think you are. KISS is 48 years, not 5.
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Bruce wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:31 pm Interesting responses, so far! But I'm doubling down, all the same. And digging my heels in, even further. Because, in my view, Asylum was -- and is -- absolutely in line with the image KIϟϟ has always maintained. I think it works, perfectly ...

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The difference though is in makeup, they were portraying characters. Without the makeup they were themselves.

See this is why I contend that the makeup could've worked in the 80's if handled correctly. They were still wearing the costumes and this side by side proves that they looked more ridiculous out of makeup than in makeup.