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Sign of the times with this video , they should have released it
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A weird editing choice at 1:38-1:41. It's not even remotely related to what they're actually playing.
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I couldn't get to the end of that. The Elder, and everything around it, has aged like milk. Kiss were incredibly lucky to still have a band after this era coming straight from the godawful Unmasked.
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Stanley! You look so cute wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:04 am I couldn't get to the end of that. The Elder, and everything around it, has aged like milk. Kiss were incredibly lucky to still have a band after this era coming straight from the godawful Unmasked.
Correct!! The whole era has aged like Milk!!! I love that
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steve wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:35 am
Grand Classic wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:39 amThis isn't a holy grail.
The five year old to whom I've just reverted disagrees in the strongest possible terms. Life was so much more fun back then, and so were KISS.

*waits around for my family, my hair, my youth and my optimism to come back*
Don't get me wrong - I LOVE The Elder, but if I made a video that ended up like this - I would also say that NO ONE CAN EVER SEE THIS and shelve it forever.
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caligari wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:37 pm
Goodwilltowardsall wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:13 pm Terrific, the first time that I have been able to see what others see in Eric Carr's drumming.
He is doing a hood job “drum/syncing”. 😜
And isn't "I" the song where Eric Carr didn't even play the drums on, because he couldn't get the feel?
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“I” And On The 8th Day and to a slightly lesser extent Raise Your Glasses and It’s My Life….I’ll never understand how at least the first two songs didn’t become permanent setlist pieces and bigger hits. They are bona fide KISS anthems. I saw Gene do “I” solo and my wife wanted to know why everyone was going nuts lol. So then she got a short dissertation on 80s KISS on the way home.
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This video was definitely a holy grail in KISS collecting. True by the definition. Has nothing to do with the contents within. Same with the "Thrills In The Night" concept video. That is a holy grail. If there is a video for that and it is horrible, that doesn't matter. It is still a holy grail in the collecting circuit.
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I love The Elder but the song I is an abomination if you hear it without the context of the whole album.
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Den Dennis wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:25 pm
Phyllis Simmons wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:29 pm Im a little confused; this is the same "I" video that alivecatman and a couple of others purchased a few years back, and initially watermarked a version to share? Did I miss an announcement? Its the same video version right???

Also did we establish that the band had a version of this "I" video all along, as I believed it appeared in the recent documentary?? :scratch:
Hence they never need to partake in the sale a few years back when the story was doing the rounds???
I suspect the Gooch licensed this for use in the doc, which if true is totally repugnant after selling the tape years ago for a nice price.
You now see this video, which is on the open market after he tried to get 5,000 dollars for it. Imagine if you were the one who bought this, thinking you had, have the only copy. Now it's out all over the place. Way to go. Also tells you all you need to know when Gooch was saying that Ace and Peter were offered an "insane" amount of money that they turned down for the recent documentary.
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Coventry1973 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:53 pm
Den Dennis wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:25 pm
Phyllis Simmons wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:29 pm Im a little confused; this is the same "I" video that alivecatman and a couple of others purchased a few years back, and initially watermarked a version to share? Did I miss an announcement? Its the same video version right???

Also did we establish that the band had a version of this "I" video all along, as I believed it appeared in the recent documentary?? :scratch:
Hence they never need to partake in the sale a few years back when the story was doing the rounds???
I suspect the Gooch licensed this for use in the doc, which if true is totally repugnant after selling the tape years ago for a nice price.
You now see this video, which is on the open market after he tried to get 5,000 dollars for it. Imagine if you were the one who bought this, thinking you had, have the only copy. Now it's out all over the place. Way to go. Also tells you all you need to know when Gooch was saying that Ace and Peter were offered an "insane" amount of money that they turned down for the recent documentary.
Gurt also lied about having the only copy. Many lies and deception lead me to release this. I do not regret spending the money to buy it because I have enjoyed it since then.
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Coventry1973 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:53 pm
Den Dennis wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:25 pm
Phyllis Simmons wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:29 pm Im a little confused; this is the same "I" video that alivecatman and a couple of others purchased a few years back, and initially watermarked a version to share? Did I miss an announcement? Its the same video version right???

Also did we establish that the band had a version of this "I" video all along, as I believed it appeared in the recent documentary?? :scratch:
Hence they never need to partake in the sale a few years back when the story was doing the rounds???
I suspect the Gooch licensed this for use in the doc, which if true is totally repugnant after selling the tape years ago for a nice price.
You now see this video, which is on the open market after he tried to get 5,000 dollars for it. Imagine if you were the one who bought this, thinking you had, have the only copy. Now it's out all over the place. Way to go. Also tells you all you need to know when Gooch was saying that Ace and Peter were offered an "insane" amount of money that they turned down for the recent documentary.
We don’t know for sure that Gooch did this.. do we? At documentary release time a few months back, there were definitely some suggestions that the band must have had a copy of the ‘I” video in their vaults all along? Anyone know for sure, what happened here?

I guess that is the problem when buying “old tapes”, video, audio, etc. What are you actually buying. A piece of old plastic from 1985, and not really the contents within (obviously), or any particular assurance that it is unique.

Gene sold demo tapes at the Butterfields Auctions I think? I mean what were you buying there? 1000 bucks for an old tape? an old piece of plastic?

Or when Poodle was selling off Ace’s old artefacts, including cassette tapes, old 4 track demos etc. $1000 for a couple of old Maxell C90 cassette tapes?

Or Vinnie selling off some old demo tapes. $100,000 for a TDK C90 4 track cassette copy? :wink:

Its a risky endeavour this for buyers.. what are you actually buying?!

EDIT, I just saw alivecatmans post above...... interesting......
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alivecatman wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:30 pm
Coventry1973 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:53 pm
Den Dennis wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:25 pm
Phyllis Simmons wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:29 pm Im a little confused; this is the same "I" video that alivecatman and a couple of others purchased a few years back, and initially watermarked a version to share? Did I miss an announcement? Its the same video version right???

Also did we establish that the band had a version of this "I" video all along, as I believed it appeared in the recent documentary?? :scratch:
Hence they never need to partake in the sale a few years back when the story was doing the rounds???
I suspect the Gooch licensed this for use in the doc, which if true is totally repugnant after selling the tape years ago for a nice price.
You now see this video, which is on the open market after he tried to get 5,000 dollars for it. Imagine if you were the one who bought this, thinking you had, have the only copy. Now it's out all over the place. Way to go. Also tells you all you need to know when Gooch was saying that Ace and Peter were offered an "insane" amount of money that they turned down for the recent documentary.
Gurt also lied about having the only copy. Many lies and deception lead me to release this. I do not regret spending the money to buy it because I have enjoyed it since then.
I think whoever originally bought it would be within their rights to get their money back if Gooch knowingly deceived them into believing it was the only copy.

I really like your attitude to collecting - it's about the enjoyment of it rather than the monetary value. Thanks for sharing this video, it's very generous of you and has made a lot of KISS fans happy, myself included.
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I like this one better

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Ironically the ‘I’ experience would now cost you $10K.
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Thanks for this, love the video!!
A great find.
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peterparker78 wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:25 pm Think Ace & Gene look ok, the other 2 not so good. Said before when the video (with watermarks, ect) first emerged that I had seen it before somewhere, still an interesting view of an interesting time period....
Should quantify, I'm referring to the unreleased 'I' video, not the appearence on 'Solid Gold'. Dunno where I saw the video exactly, but I have good memory for images and had defo seen it before it was revealed recently....
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It’s a pretty good song and all…But this makes me want to cry. My fire breathing, killer solo making, kick as singing, band since 1974 ….had turned into THIS? 🤦🏼‍♂️
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At least they’re not wearing superhero outfits.

I honestly don’t see what the big deal is.

The video is fine.

Least Gene isn’t crying.
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alivecatman wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:19 am
Stanley! You look so cute wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:04 am I couldn't get to the end of that. The Elder, and everything around it, has aged like milk. Kiss were incredibly lucky to still have a band after this era coming straight from the godawful Unmasked.
Correct!! The whole era has aged like Milk!!! I love that
It has aged like milk and curdled into a fine cheese.
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I love the background in the stage set. If there was a tour for the album, I can imagine that as the back drop. Very "Destroyer" like design.
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After listening to people bitch that this was Friday's or San Remo Fest, I made this

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alivecatman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:40 pm After listening to people bitch that this was Friday's or San Remo Fest, I made this
I'd let them starve to death in ignorace.
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Julien wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:49 pm
alivecatman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:40 pm After listening to people bitch that this was Friday's or San Remo Fest, I made this
I'd let them starve to death in ignorace.
My OCD will not allow that
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alivecatman wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:40 pm After listening to people bitch that this was Friday's or San Remo Fest, I made this

The problem is that you listened to them.
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Den Dennis wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:25 pm
Phyllis Simmons wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:29 pm Im a little confused; this is the same "I" video that alivecatman and a couple of others purchased a few years back, and initially watermarked a version to share? Did I miss an announcement? Its the same video version right???

Also did we establish that the band had a version of this "I" video all along, as I believed it appeared in the recent documentary?? :scratch:
Hence they never need to partake in the sale a few years back when the story was doing the rounds???
I suspect the Gooch licensed this for use in the doc, which if true is totally repugnant after selling the tape years ago for a nice price.
It happens unfortunately Den, as Im sure you and your boys know. I remember there was a shifty guy trying to sell alternate unreleased video versions of "Warriors of Genghis Khan" a while back. Hopefully he has been stopped now, but the damage was done.. :x
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The Nov 21, 1981 issue of Billboard has a good interview with Ezrin about the album.

I still can't believe they planned to make a sequel to the album. And if a film ever got made, there would be a soundtrack to it so 3 albums

Hey must have been on cocaine when he said this
But the formula is no longer true it's tried and it's trying but it's just not working anymore. If we had made another typical kiss album with a typical kiss cover it wouldn't even have sustained a slumping level and interest would have really finished their whole career off.



Also, Kiss supposedly shot 2 videos with Bill Gowers directing. I for "I" and the other " A World Without Heroes:
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Starchild74 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:49 pm Also, Kiss supposedly shot 2 videos with Bill Gowers directing. I for "I" and the other " A World Without Heroes:
Supposedly? They did. They filmed "I" and "A World Without Heroes."

Tim interviewed both for NovElder in 2012...

https://www.kissconcerthistory.com/inte ... gowers.php

https://www.kissconcerthistory.com/inte ... attery.php
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I like the video. Not only it represents the times, but the backdrop reminds me of Superman's fortress of solitude. Thanks Andrew!!!
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Phyllis Simmons wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:35 pm
Den Dennis wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:25 pm
Phyllis Simmons wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:29 pm Im a little confused; this is the same "I" video that alivecatman and a couple of others purchased a few years back, and initially watermarked a version to share? Did I miss an announcement? Its the same video version right???

Also did we establish that the band had a version of this "I" video all along, as I believed it appeared in the recent documentary?? :scratch:
Hence they never need to partake in the sale a few years back when the story was doing the rounds???
I suspect the Gooch licensed this for use in the doc, which if true is totally repugnant after selling the tape years ago for a nice price.
It happens unfortunately Den, as Im sure you and your boys know. I remember there was a shifty guy trying to sell alternate unreleased video versions of "Warriors of Genghis Khan" a while back. Hopefully he has been stopped now, but the damage was done.. :x
Here’s what I think happened…

Gurt purchased a copy and lied about it being the only copy in existence. He probably tried to sell it back to the band, but the band always had a copy. Of course Gurt was never honest about that.
Gurt made a big stink about buring the video which causer us collectors to purchase the tape from him, all the while he had been selling copies to other fans.
Now since the A&E doc more people have been talking about it and people have been trying to sell it again, so to stop the nonsense I released it.
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I wish someone finds the unreleased Thrills in the night video (or the uncut material of that) and unreleased playback stuff from the European COTN promo tour '82.
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Starchild74 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:49 pm The Nov 21, 1981 issue of Billboard has a good interview with Ezrin about the album.

I still can't believe they planned to make a sequel to the album. And if a film ever got made, there would be a soundtrack to it so 3 albums

Hey must have been on cocaine when he said this
But the formula is no longer true it's tried and it's trying but it's just not working anymore. If we had made another typical kiss album with a typical kiss cover it wouldn't even have sustained a slumping level and interest would have really finished their whole career off.



Also, Kiss supposedly shot 2 videos with Bill Gowers directing. I for "I" and the other " A World Without Heroes:
World Without Heroes video has been around forever.
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I think this video is pretty interesting actually. It's cool that they have a diverse crowd for one thing. You never saw that in hard rock videos back then. And let's be honest ... is it really worse than THIS, which came out around the same time? I say nay.

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This the saddest piece of shit that they have ever produced. They didn't have a clue. Just awful!!
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alivecatman wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:00 am
Phyllis Simmons wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:35 pm
Den Dennis wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:25 pm
Phyllis Simmons wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:29 pm Im a little confused; this is the same "I" video that alivecatman and a couple of others purchased a few years back, and initially watermarked a version to share? Did I miss an announcement? Its the same video version right???

Also did we establish that the band had a version of this "I" video all along, as I believed it appeared in the recent documentary?? :scratch:
Hence they never need to partake in the sale a few years back when the story was doing the rounds???
I suspect the Gooch licensed this for use in the doc, which if true is totally repugnant after selling the tape years ago for a nice price.
It happens unfortunately Den, as Im sure you and your boys know. I remember there was a shifty guy trying to sell alternate unreleased video versions of "Warriors of Genghis Khan" a while back. Hopefully he has been stopped now, but the damage was done.. :x
Here’s what I think happened…

Gurt purchased a copy and lied about it being the only copy in existence. He probably tried to sell it back to the band, but the band always had a copy. Of course Gurt was never honest about that.
Gurt made a big stink about buring the video which causer us collectors to purchase the tape from him, all the while he had been selling copies to other fans.
Now since the A&E doc more people have been talking about it and people have been trying to sell it again, so to stop the nonsense I released it.
That’s not great if that’s how it went down. Not great at all..
I kinda remember then, and that shit dragged on for a while. I remember there was strong speculation that the band must have had a copy in their vaults. It seemed the type of thing that Gene would get his people to jump on if they really didn’t have it - especially when the video cassette was days away from going on the fire. Hard to know - but some sort real dodgy-ness clearly went down then..

But I second what BC Witch said above that your approach to collecting and sharing and releasing your own video productions, etc to fellow fans is very commendable.. Not many do it that way…
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Phyllis Simmons wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:41 am
alivecatman wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:00 am
Phyllis Simmons wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:35 pm
Den Dennis wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:25 pm

I suspect the Gooch licensed this for use in the doc, which if true is totally repugnant after selling the tape years ago for a nice price.
It happens unfortunately Den, as Im sure you and your boys know. I remember there was a shifty guy trying to sell alternate unreleased video versions of "Warriors of Genghis Khan" a while back. Hopefully he has been stopped now, but the damage was done.. :x
Here’s what I think happened…

Gurt purchased a copy and lied about it being the only copy in existence. He probably tried to sell it back to the band, but the band always had a copy. Of course Gurt was never honest about that.
Gurt made a big stink about buring the video which causer us collectors to purchase the tape from him, all the while he had been selling copies to other fans.
Now since the A&E doc more people have been talking about it and people have been trying to sell it again, so to stop the nonsense I released it.
That’s not great if that’s how it went down. Not great at all..
I kinda remember then, and that shit dragged on for a while. I remember there was strong speculation that the band must have had a copy in their vaults. It seemed the type of thing that Gene would get his people to jump on if they really didn’t have it - especially when the video cassette was days away from going on the fire. Hard to know - but some sort real dodgy-ness clearly went down then..

But I second what BC Witch said above that your approach to collecting and sharing and releasing your own video productions, etc to fellow fans is very commendable.. Not many do it that way…
Also - it was my suggestion to release the heavily watermarked version back in 2018 to stop people from selling it. It worked, for awhile.
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The prospect that the band had a copy was irrelevant to my decision to purchase the video. It simply served the purpose to promote the Odyssey book and once used was sold on.
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Whose copy this one was originally? Perhaps one of the band members? Ace?
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I think the band and Polygram were done DONE with The Elder by the time this thing was finished BUT the thing is, MTV was soooooooo desperate for videos to rotate, it would HAVE been played. Interesting stuff.
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Kisscandinavia wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:38 am Whose copy this one was originally? Perhaps one of the band members? Ace?
I believe Gurt’s copy came from an employee of Aucoin.
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Re: KISS "I" Unreleased 1981 Music Video

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Diss wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:12 am And let's be honest ... is it really worse than THIS, which came out around the same time? I say nay.

This is one of my favourite music videos. It's damn funny, while the song rocks.