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Per Tommy's latest AMA (in progress as I write this) on Instagram.
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I am still planning on going. I am not canceling my reservation. As awful as COVID is, I am not going to let fear of COVID keep me from this vacation. Statistically, you are probably more likely to be killed in a car accident than by COVID.

I am not trying to make light of how serious COVID is, but I do not let the fear of an accident keep me from driving, either.
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Why wouldn't it be?

Even pre-COVID-19, you were guaranteed to catch something on a cruise. Business as usual for the cruise industry.
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Cruises have been endless super spreaders. It's probably best to let that industry die.
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SaintN'Sinner83 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:45 pm Why wouldn't it be?

Even pre-COVID-19, you were guaranteed to catch something on a cruise. Business as usual for the cruise industry.
Good point.
At least they're not lying with "your safety is our priority".
Rather it has become "we're sailing with the strict minimum required that we can get away with."
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Ozone1978 wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:18 pmLMFAO!!
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southernkiss wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:31 pm I am still planning on going. I am not canceling my reservation. As awful as COVID is, I am not going to let fear of COVID keep me from this vacation. Statistically, you are probably more likely to be killed in a car accident than by COVID.

I am not trying to make light of how serious COVID is, but I do not let the fear of an accident keep me from driving, either.
Is that true?
I heard a stat today that one in 500 Americans have died from Covid!
How many have died in a car accident?
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Mackemkiss wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:53 am
southernkiss wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:31 pm I am still planning on going. I am not canceling my reservation. As awful as COVID is, I am not going to let fear of COVID keep me from this vacation. Statistically, you are probably more likely to be killed in a car accident than by COVID.

I am not trying to make light of how serious COVID is, but I do not let the fear of an accident keep me from driving, either.
Is that true?
I heard a stat today that one in 500 Americans have died from Covid!
How many have died in a car accident?
1/500 = 0.20%

Per common online sources:
USA population: 332,000,000
USA Covid deaths: 667,000
Death percentage: 667,000/332,000,000 = 0.002009036144578 = 0.20%

Per National Institute of Highway Safety
2019 fatal automobile accident rate: 1/9,090 people

NOT AN ENDORSEMENT, COMMENTARY, OR OPINION REGARDING DATA QUALITY, CATEGORIZATION METHODOLOGY, NOR COVID-19 POLICIES, MITIGATION EFFORTS, OR IMMUNIZATIONS. I don’t want the banhammer.
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southernkiss wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:31 pm I am still planning on going. I am not canceling my reservation. As awful as COVID is, I am not going to let fear of COVID keep me from this vacation. Statistically, you are probably more likely to be killed in a car accident than by COVID.

I am not trying to make light of how serious COVID is, but I do not let the fear of an accident keep me from driving, either.
So brave of you to keep driving!! :drunken:

not sure where you get your stats, but according to this site, there were 38,000+ u.s. auto related deaths in 2020.
The highest rate since 2007
https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/20 ... g-pandemic

meanwhile, there were 10 times as many covid deaths...
in 2020... pick your source.
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How many of those covid deaths were *before* we had vaccines?
It seems to me that the situation is a bit different in September of 2021.

I guess the relevant question is:

How likely are you to die (today) from Covid if you are fully vaccinated?

not

How many Americans have died since the *beginning* of covid?
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Not likely.
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So we're actually pondering how likely we are to die from going on the KISS Kruise and whether it's worth it. What a time to be alive.
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If those sources are true, I stand corrected.
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Tito wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:08 am So we're actually pondering how likely we are to die from going on the KISS Kruise and whether it's worth it. What a time to be alive.
Not sure if you’re a Monty Python fan, but I’m personally waiting for a giant animated foot to come down and squish me.
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southernkiss wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:15 am If those sources are true, I stand corrected.
I just did a quick and dirty Google search, hence my absurd disclaimer at the end of the post.

For comparison, according to the CDC there were 2,854,838 total deaths in the USA in 2019, which equates to a death rate of 869.7 per 100,000 people, or 0.008697 or 0.87% of the population. So you’re roughly 4.4x more likely to die from something else besides Covid.

Such a lovely and uplifting discussion.
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Mackemkiss wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:53 am
southernkiss wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:31 pm I am still planning on going. I am not canceling my reservation. As awful as COVID is, I am not going to let fear of COVID keep me from this vacation. Statistically, you are probably more likely to be killed in a car accident than by COVID.

I am not trying to make light of how serious COVID is, but I do not let the fear of an accident keep me from driving, either.
Is that true?
I heard a stat today that one in 500 Americans have died from Covid!
How many have died in a car accident?
I read that stat too. So if you have 2,500 fans and 500 crew, that's 3,000 people. That means, statistically, 6 people on the Kruise. But add in the close and closed-quarters, a lot of fans have comorbidities, etc...no thank you.
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Doose wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:42 am
Mackemkiss wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:53 am
southernkiss wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:31 pm I am still planning on going. I am not canceling my reservation. As awful as COVID is, I am not going to let fear of COVID keep me from this vacation. Statistically, you are probably more likely to be killed in a car accident than by COVID.

I am not trying to make light of how serious COVID is, but I do not let the fear of an accident keep me from driving, either.
Is that true?
I heard a stat today that one in 500 Americans have died from Covid!
How many have died in a car accident?
I read that stat too. So if you have 2,500 fans and 500 crew, that's 3,000 people. That means, statistically, 6 people on the Kruise. But add in the close and closed-quarters, a lot of fans have comorbidities, etc...no thank you.
The stats are the stats, but we also have tons of other variables we’d need to analyze before we could apply statistical significance to a sample size that small, ostensibly vaccinated, and healthy enough to travel. The fact we’re to a point where we’re talking about this says a lot, but it’s good discussion.
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Everyone on the KISS Kruise is required to show proof of vaccination.
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southernkiss wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:09 am Everyone on the KISS Kruise is required to show proof of vaccination.
And on another page, people are discussing how and where to procure fake vaccination cards.
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balish wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:51 am
southernkiss wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:09 am Everyone on the KISS Kruise is required to show proof of vaccination.
And on another page, people are discussing how and where to procure fake vaccination cards.
Man, if someone faked a vaccination card and got anyone sick, they'd be going to jail for a lonnnnnggg time.

And they're going to get a different kind of injection in jail.
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balish wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:51 am
southernkiss wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:09 am Everyone on the KISS Kruise is required to show proof of vaccination.
And on another page, people are discussing how and where to procure fake vaccination cards.
Pretty sure that’s illegal. The fallout from all of this Covid Cruise crap will be interesting.
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"I was vaccinated with a victrola needle
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- Vaccination card has to be presented at port
- A negative test result at port before getting on ship paid for by NCL
- A negative test result obtained within 72 hours of cruising to show that you were doing your due diligence to be careful and follow safety protocols prior to sailing in case you produce a positive test at port (to qualify for refund)

The one thing that makes no sense is that you can get off the boat and partake of excursions but won’t be tested upon re-boarding. That seems to be inviting issues.
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BlackDiamond67 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:29 am - Vaccination card has to be presented at port
- A negative test result at port before getting on ship paid for by NCL
- A negative test result obtained within 72 hours of cruising to show that you were doing your due diligence to be careful and follow safety protocols prior to sailing in case you produce a positive test at port (to qualify for refund)

The one thing that makes no sense is that you can get off the boat and partake of excursions but won’t be tested upon re-boarding. That seems to be inviting issues.
Good observation! That does elevate the risk. I'll pass this year.
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Tito wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:08 am So we're actually pondering how likely we are to die from going on the KISS Kruise and whether it's worth it. What a time to be alive.
They might play something off the Elder though.
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My immune system is hardy ... and robust ... it can handle either dysentary or covid. Just not both, at the same time.
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Stanley! You look so cute wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:58 am
Tito wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:08 am So we're actually pondering how likely we are to die from going on the KISS Kruise and whether it's worth it. What a time to be alive.
They might play something off the Elder though.
Escape from the Kruise?
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I didn't realize Fanboy cancelled a couple of their huge expos, including one that Peter had already pulled out of. It's going to be tough to do anything with thousands of people in an enclosed area until the end of the year I think.
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southernkiss wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:09 am Everyone on the KISS Kruise is required to show proof of vaccination.
Lolz, let's go for a boat ride
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Tito wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:08 am So we're actually pondering how likely we are to die from going on the KISS Kruise and whether it's worth it. What a time to be alive.
They'll be lip-syncing to Psyco Circus, mortality rates will spike
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Doose wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:19 am
balish wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:51 am
southernkiss wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:09 am Everyone on the KISS Kruise is required to show proof of vaccination.
And on another page, people are discussing how and where to procure fake vaccination cards.
Man, if someone faked a vaccination card and got anyone sick, they'd be going to jail for a lonnnnnggg time.

And they're going to get a different kind of injection in jail.
And just how could they prove they got someone sick ?
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Do not see why it would not go ahead, not sure how different the situation in US is no here in UK. I have just been on 3 day “Staycation” you had to have had both covid jabs, this is linked to NHS app so it is linked to NHS number. Everyone was tested before they got on and you were requested to wear a face mask only when walking around inside the ship. No issues….apart from the $12 drinks…fu&£ing ridiculous!
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BlackDiamond67 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:29 am The one thing that makes no sense is that you can get off the boat and partake of excursions but won’t be tested upon re-boarding. That seems to be inviting issues.
Probably because if you were infected that day, it's still going to take a few days before you would test positive. Might still catch anyone that was carrying but tested negative for the initial test, but it's not going to catch people infected during the stop.
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southernkiss wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:31 pm
I am not trying to make light of how serious COVID is, but I do not let the fear of an accident keep me from driving, either.
Do you drive while drunk? Do you go 80 miles per hour in a blizzard?

There are factors that make accidents more likely than they would be under normal conditions. Likewise, there conditions that increase the risk of catching Covid.
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sicksickphil wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:34 am
Doose wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:19 am
balish wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:51 am
southernkiss wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:09 am Everyone on the KISS Kruise is required to show proof of vaccination.
And on another page, people are discussing how and where to procure fake vaccination cards.
Man, if someone faked a vaccination card and got anyone sick, they'd be going to jail for a lonnnnnggg time.

And they're going to get a different kind of injection in jail.
And just how could they prove they got someone sick ?
Genome sequencing
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Den Dennis wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:35 pm
sicksickphil wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:34 am
Doose wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:19 am
balish wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:51 am

And on another page, people are discussing how and where to procure fake vaccination cards.
Man, if someone faked a vaccination card and got anyone sick, they'd be going to jail for a lonnnnnggg time.

And they're going to get a different kind of injection in jail.
And just how could they prove they got someone sick ?
Genome sequencing
That won't prove it
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Homer Simpson wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:08 pm
southernkiss wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:31 pm
I am not trying to make light of how serious COVID is, but I do not let the fear of an accident keep me from driving, either.
Do you drive while drunk? Do you go 80 miles per hour in a blizzard?

There are factors that make accidents more likely than they would be under normal conditions. Likewise, there conditions that increase the risk of catching Covid.
You mean like going on a cruise in the middle of a pandemic ?
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balish wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:51 am
southernkiss wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:09 am Everyone on the KISS Kruise is required to show proof of vaccination.
And on another page, people are discussing how and where to procure fake vaccination cards.
Reason enough not to go right there.
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Doose wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:19 am
balish wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:51 am
southernkiss wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:09 am Everyone on the KISS Kruise is required to show proof of vaccination.
And on another page, people are discussing how and where to procure fake vaccination cards.
Man, if someone faked a vaccination card and got anyone sick, they'd be going to jail for a lonnnnnggg time.

And they're going to get a different kind of injection in jail.
I read that they significantly reduced the punishment for knowingly giving someone HIV in some state (Cali?).
If that's the case, the sentence for giving covid should be pretty light
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So Europeans will be able to get to the USA from November, that means they'll miss the boat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-58621759
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Glad they are requiring Vaccinations.

It’s still not for me. Hope everyone has fun & is safe though.

Wish I had went to the 1st or 2nd Kruise. But oh well.
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I don’t get it? Surely one of the joys of going on this cruise is meeting with multi-national fans? Restrictions prevent that happening to an extent. Even if lifted we may have a ‘variant’ international soup in a fixed location. ‘Deep cuts’ wouldn’t get me on this boat!