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Which of these statements are true, from your point of view?

Kiss is going out on top
19
3%
Kiss has never been better than with the originals
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18%
Revenge is overrated
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12%
Revenge was a strong comeback
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16%
I Was Made For Lovin' You is Kiss most famous song
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11%
Rock And Roll All Nite is Kiss most famous song
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17%
Eddie Kramer is the best producer Kiss has had
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15%
Bob Ezrin is the best producer Kiss has had
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7%
 
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There are a few hot button issues here on the board.
Now it's time to decide: Which statements are true?
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3 are correct IMHO.
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Revenge 92 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:04 am 3 are correct IMHO.
In my opinion too.

The producer thing; the hidden third answer is Vini Poncia, even though he didn't produce the best albums.
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I Was Made For Lovin' You is Kiss most famous song + Revenge is overrated
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Some seemingly conflicting views can both be true...the Revenge thing for example. It's entirely possible for it to be both a strong comeback and to be overrated to a degree by some.
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IWMFLY is by far their most famous song worldwide.

The rest I generally disagree with.
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Kiss has never been better than with the originals, and Revenge is overrated.

Having said that, they've done some excellent stuff post-originals. So there.
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What I really want/wanted to know is since 1979?????

Can KISS really send half of Harlem to college on t-shirt sales alone?
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Are they going out on top? That is hard to say. They still have many fans (myself included) suckered under their thumbs. They were never liked by critics, but they have always had a loyal fan base. They have become somewhat of a parody of themselves, but are still able to rake in tons of money. The answer to the first question would depend on how one defines "on top."
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I picked one statement:

Kiss has never been better than with the originals.

None of the other points are as important as that one, to me. 😎
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Glasgow Kiss wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:46 am Some seemingly conflicting views can both be true...the Revenge thing for example. It's entirely possible for it to be both a strong comeback and to be overrated to a degree by some.
You are technically correct. Feel free to choose both.
In reality, though, I think few would claim Revenge to be a strong comeback and overrated at the same time.
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jannep17 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:09 am
Revenge 92 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:04 am 3 are correct IMHO.
In my opinion too.

The producer thing; the hidden third answer is Vini Poncia, even though he didn't produce the best albums.
That's tricky one. IMO they are all great producers. Especially greatness between Bob and Eddie is hard to decide. I think that they were BOTH great and can't be compared. Vini comes on second position.
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Commercially they go out on top, despite many flaws, especially lipsynching.
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Revenge overrated. However some really good moments there and improvements vs. past. Unholy and GGRRTY. Domino was great and is now okeyish. Mostly overrated album IMO.
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Unholy and Take it Off are two of my favorite KISS songs. I much prefer the live version of I Just Wanna.
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Revenge was marginally refreshing at the time, but their own bar had been set so low.

In hindsight, the album is subpar and cringe-worthy. I actually listen to Unmasked far more often.
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Is Revenge still overrated? Maybe when it came out, but it seems these days most people either say it's overrated or it's just a good album. Not too many claim it's one of their absolute best these days...
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I prefer Hot in the Shade over Revenge, but prefer Revenge over Carnival of Souls.
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99 % of the average people on the street will sing RnR All Nite if asked about KISS. IWMFLY isn't on anyone's radar.

Eddie Kramer's work is unequalled.

Revenge is extremely over rated. One great song. A couple of very good songs and the rest filler. Every Time I Look at You is terrible.
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peopleselbow wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:11 am 99 % of the average people on the street will sing RnR All Nite if asked about KISS. IWMFLY isn't on anyone's radar.

Eddie Kramer's work is unequalled.

Revenge is extremely over rated. One great song. A couple of very good songs and the rest filler. Every Time I Look at You is terrible.
Beth is also a song many people on the street can sing.
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peopleselbow wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:11 am 99 % of the average people on the street will sing RnR All Nite if asked about KISS. IWMFLY isn't on anyone's radar.

Eddie Kramer's work is unequalled.

Revenge is extremely over rated. One great song. A couple of very good songs and the rest filler. Every Time I Look at You is terrible.
they will sing IWMFLY over here , not Rock and roll all nite . period
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lespaul wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:33 am
peopleselbow wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:11 am 99 % of the average people on the street will sing RnR All Nite if asked about KISS. IWMFLY isn't on anyone's radar.

Eddie Kramer's work is unequalled.

Revenge is extremely over rated. One great song. A couple of very good songs and the rest filler. Every Time I Look at You is terrible.
they will sing IWMFLY over here , not Rock and roll all nite . period
Outside the U.S. most will sing IWMFLY.
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Revenge is both a strong comeback and overrated. Fight me irl.
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- KISS has never been better than with the originals.
- Revenge simultaneously was a strong comeback and is overrated by the fanbase... probably because the albums preceding it were so shit.
- RARAN is the band's most famous song.
- Eddie Kramer was the best producer for KISS.
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jannep17 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:54 am
lespaul wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:33 am
peopleselbow wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:11 am 99 % of the average people on the street will sing RnR All Nite if asked about KISS. IWMFLY isn't on anyone's radar.

Eddie Kramer's work is unequalled.

Revenge is extremely over rated. One great song. A couple of very good songs and the rest filler. Every Time I Look at You is terrible.
they will sing IWMFLY over here , not Rock and roll all nite . period
Outside the U.S. most will sing IWMFLY.
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TheKISSProject7312 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:00 am Revenge is both a strong comeback and overrated. Fight me irl.
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lord71 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:46 am Commercially they go out on top, despite many flaws, especially lipsynching.
True
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woodworm001 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:42 am IWMFLY is by far their most famous song worldwide.

The rest I generally disagree with.
True, unfortunately US-fans don't realize that cause they think the US (or at best North America) IS the world.
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belgiankissarmy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:18 pm
woodworm001 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:42 am IWMFLY is by far their most famous song worldwide.

The rest I generally disagree with.
True, unfortunately US-fans don't realize that cause they think the US (or at best North America) IS the world.
That's why they play the world series in baseball. But I say as Robin Williams did: Very few French people go; oh fucking aye, what about those Giants?
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True:

On Top
IWMFLY
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I call Revenge a comeback. After Crazy Nights and HITS the core fanbase started to waiver on new music. Revenge was exactly what we needed. It reignited a lot of diehard fan energy.

That record may not have sold a lot of concert tickets, but we were pumped to enjoy this version of the band. The early 90s were commercially lean years but it was one of the best times to see Kiss live and engage with other fans.

Fair comment that Revenge is overrated in the Kiss catalog, though. It's probably a low top 10 pick at best and ranked around #13 or #15 at worst.
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Strutterer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:00 pm Fair comment that Revenge is overrated in the Kiss catalog, though. It's probably a low top 10 pick at best and ranked around #13 or #15 at worst.
If people rank it 10-15...supposedly at worst, how is it an overrated album? Especially if you're just counting studio albums. Unless the people that think it's overrated think it flat out sucks, seems the general consensus is that it's a good album. Overrated is Creatures...an album many call top 5. I don't think very many put Revenge that high...
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Much Too Soon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:18 pm True:

On Top
How the hell can lip-Synchin' Stanley be "going out on top".
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southernkiss wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:03 am I prefer Hot in the Shade over Revenge, but prefer Revenge over Carnival of Souls.
Agreed.
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I spoke too soon. I WAS MADE FOR LOVING YOU IS TRENDING ALL OVER THE PLACE FOR SOME REASON !!!!!!
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peopleselbow wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:11 am 99 % of the average people on the street will sing RnR All Nite if asked about KISS. IWMFLY isn't on anyone's radar.
That’s just not true. Are you in the US? Internationally IWMFLY would be more well known. Look at the streaming numbers. Spotify, iTunes, YouTube, IWMFLY is well in front.
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joma5477 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:51 pm
Strutterer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:00 pm Fair comment that Revenge is overrated in the Kiss catalog, though. It's probably a low top 10 pick at best and ranked around #13 or #15 at worst.
If people rank it 10-15...supposedly at worst, how is it an overrated album? Especially if you're just counting studio albums. Unless the people that think it's overrated think it flat out sucks, seems the general consensus is that it's a good album. Overrated is Creatures...an album many call top 5. I don't think very many put Revenge that high...
In my circles Revenge was always treated like Creatures lite. I know plenty of people who'd say that's their best non-make up album. That's what I was going for when I said overrated.

Personally, it's one of my favourite Kiss albums but in no way do I expect the general consensus to see Revenge the same way.
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joma5477 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:51 pm
Strutterer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:00 pm Fair comment that Revenge is overrated in the Kiss catalog, though. It's probably a low top 10 pick at best and ranked around #13 or #15 at worst.
If people rank it 10-15...supposedly at worst, how is it an overrated album? Especially if you're just counting studio albums. Unless the people that think it's overrated think it flat out sucks, seems the general consensus is that it's a good album. Overrated is Creatures...an album many call top 5. I don't think very many put Revenge that high...
To me, there are a few out of the first 6 that are overrated. None of them are bad albums, but it seems to be the common view that the first 6 are the best 6 and everything follows after that. I’ll never be convinced that DRESSED TO KILL, DESTROYER or LOVE GUN are better albums than CREATURES. My opinion of course, and obviously I’m in the minority.
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I Was Made For Lovin' You is Kiss most famous song
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They're definitely not going out on top. But what does that even mean anyway?
Did The Beatles go out on top? On top of a roof yes. Should they have carried on without Paul drafting a member of Badfinger in and spent twenty years with that line up? Would that have been on top? No.

Did Elvis go out on top? on top of his toilet yes.
Career wise...depends if you see playing Las Vegas wrecked on pills as on top or not.
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Den Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:21 pm
Much Too Soon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:18 pm True:

On Top
How the hell can lip-Synchin' Stanley be "going out on top".
Physically no, but success wise the argument could be made that they are almost as popular as ever. I’m not a numbers guy but maybe only 1975/76/77 and 1996/97 was more of a high. In a 48 year career that’s pretty impressive.
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KISS going out on top? Whilst they've improved the stage, using vocal tracks isn't going out on top (not that I'd want him to sing at this point)
KISS have never been better than with the originals? Listen to Creatures...
Revenge is Overrated? The Paul Songs are
Revenge was a strong comeback? For Gene yes
I Was Made for Lovin You is KISS' most famous song? Yes
Rock & Roll All Nite is KISS' most famous song? No, but in the Rock Genre yes.
Eddie & Bob being the best producers? Aucoin and the band got the right people at the right time (except the Elder) and I'd say both were equal.
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Strutterer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:01 pm
joma5477 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:51 pm
Strutterer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:00 pm Fair comment that Revenge is overrated in the Kiss catalog, though. It's probably a low top 10 pick at best and ranked around #13 or #15 at worst.
If people rank it 10-15...supposedly at worst, how is it an overrated album? Especially if you're just counting studio albums. Unless the people that think it's overrated think it flat out sucks, seems the general consensus is that it's a good album. Overrated is Creatures...an album many call top 5. I don't think very many put Revenge that high...
In my circles Revenge was always treated like Creatures lite. I know plenty of people who'd say that's their best non-make up album. That's what I was going for when I said overrated.

Personally, it's one of my favourite Kiss albums but in no way do I expect the general consensus to see Revenge the same way.
I think when it came out it was probably overrated because it was the new, shiny thing and more a return to form. As the years have gone by, though, I don't get a sense too many put it at the very top of the catalog still. I see FAR, FAR more people call it overrated than call it one of their best albums. If the popular opinion is the album is overrated, it can't be rated all that high in the first place, in which case how is it overrated? Most favorable opinions of it seem to say it's one of the best non-makeup albums...which seems reasonable to me, even if I may or may not agree with it depending on the day.
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Kiss is going out on top - NOPE! that ship sailed in 1978

Kiss has never been better than with the originals - TRUE!

Revenge is overrated - not. revenge is cool but DOMINO is their worst cringe worthy song ever!

Revenge was a strong comeback - true... minus carr jam which sucks. could have been way better but... filler.

I Was Made For Lovin' You is Kiss most famous song - NOT EVEN.

Rock And Roll All Nite is Kiss most famous song - all over the world.

Eddie Kramer is the best producer Kiss has had - PROOF: KISS ALIVE!

Bob Ezrin is the best producer Kiss has had - PROOF: music from the elder
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detroit_01 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:59 pm I Was Made For Lovin' You is Kiss most famous song - NOT EVEN.

Rock And Roll All Nite is Kiss most famous song - all over the world.
Amazing how some choose to keep believing that.
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Revenge is overrated
Rock And Roll All Nite is KISS' most famous song
Eddie Kramer is the best producer KISS has had
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jannep17 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:54 am
lespaul wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:33 am
peopleselbow wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:11 am 99 % of the average people on the street will sing RnR All Nite if asked about KISS. IWMFLY isn't on anyone's radar.

Eddie Kramer's work is unequalled.

Revenge is extremely over rated. One great song. A couple of very good songs and the rest filler. Every Time I Look at You is terrible.
they will sing IWMFLY over here , not Rock and roll all nite . period
Outside the U.S. most will sing IWMFLY.
I’m in the U.S. and I would bet most people here would sing IWMFLY if not Beth.
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Mackemkiss wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:36 am They're definitely not going out on top. But what does that even mean anyway?
Did The Beatles go out on top? On top of a roof yes. Should they have carried on without Paul drafting a member of Badfinger in and spent twenty years with that line up? Would that have been on top? No.

Did Elvis go out on top? on top of his toilet yes.
Career wise...depends if you see playing Las Vegas wrecked on pills as on top or not.
I liked Moody Blue and thought it was a pretty good album, and Elvis still had his great voice to the end. Yeah, it is too bad that he did not handle his finances very well as he was not in any condition to be performing at the time. Elvis needed real help, but did not get it.
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Re: Time to decide: Which statements are true?

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Tito wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:57 pm
detroit_01 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:59 pm I Was Made For Lovin' You is Kiss most famous song - NOT EVEN.

Rock And Roll All Nite is Kiss most famous song - all over the world.
Amazing how some choose to keep believing that.
It seems like a very sensitive issue.
Are Kiss known for the wimpy disco song or are they known for the rock and roll anthem?
They are of course known for both, but I would say the general public mainly know them for IWMFLY.
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Re: Time to decide: Which statements are true?

Post by detroit_01 »

maybe the gay side of things... iwmfly.
but for the general rock and roll crowd of sheeple it's still raran.
jannep17 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:06 pm
Tito wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:57 pm
detroit_01 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:59 pm I Was Made For Lovin' You is Kiss most famous song - NOT EVEN.

Rock And Roll All Nite is Kiss most famous song - all over the world.
Amazing how some choose to keep believing that.
It seems like a very sensitive issue.
Are Kiss known for the wimpy disco song or are they known for the rock and roll anthem?
They are of course known for both, but I would say the general public mainly know them for IWMFLY.