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nfarend wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:04 pm
That drum roll at the end of the Destroyer version of Detroit Rock City. It doesn't make sense. Peter didn't have a clue about counting. He just stopped when he thought the drum roll was finished. Except it was too early. Ezrin left it as it is. When they started to play it live Peter learned how to do it properly.
Reminds me of the part in Paul's 2013 book when Tommy Thayer was assigned to help Peter drum the way they wanted him to preparing for the 1996 Reunion Tour. Tommy knows how the drums are suppose to sound even though he is not a drummer.
Anyway, Paul said that Peter screamed at Tommy, "Don't tell me how to play the Fucking Drums !!!"
nfarend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:20 am
Maybe it was intentional after all. They just stuck in a 3/4 measure instead of 4/4. Still sounds weird to my ears though.
You're completely lost here. It's a 4/4 bar and the count is on 2, 3, 4. The music ends on the up stroke after the 1, hence the break before the drum roll is 2, 3, 4.
Oh really? Ouch. Have to check it out again. Somehow I feel the drumroll ends too early so maybe I jumped to the wrong conclusion. Will check it out again.
Peter ends the tom thing on the third beat. So there's a short silence before the "Get up" that comes on the fourth beat. That way the "Get up" sounds even more effective. Gene can be seen giving a similar "tacet" instructuon to the arranger in the Symphony DVD.
I listened to it again and the "Get up!" part indeed comes at the same time as earlier in the song. So what I was saying before was wrong. That said, that drumroll just doesn't sound right to me. It always stood out like a sore thumb.
nfarend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:20 am
Maybe it was intentional after all. They just stuck in a 3/4 measure instead of 4/4. Still sounds weird to my ears though.
You're completely lost here. It's a 4/4 bar and the count is on 2, 3, 4. The music ends on the up stroke after the 1, hence the break before the drum roll is 2, 3, 4.
Oh really? Ouch. Have to check it out again. Somehow I feel the drumroll ends too early so maybe I jumped to the wrong conclusion. Will check it out again.
Peter ends the tom thing on the third beat. So there's a short silence before the "Get up" that comes on the fourth beat. That way the "Get up" sounds even more effective. Gene can be seen giving a similar "tacet" instructuon to the arranger in the Symphony DVD.
I listened to it again and the "Get up!" part indeed comes at the same time as earlier in the song. So what I was saying before was wrong. That said, that drumroll just doesn't sound right to me. It always stood out like a sore thumb.
I think it's slightly out of time. A bit too fast or something.
Tito wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:16 am The hi-hat counts are on 2, 3, 4 of the bar, not 1, 2, 3. I don't think Peter is the one with no clue about counting here, no offense.
mot$$33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:01 am
Paul talking about all the alcoholic drinks while introducing Cold Gin, cause you know he has no clue.
Are you suggesting Paul didn't drink? But he did, didn't he?
(Then, I don't know if he drank tequila, vodka and orange juice or, indeed, cold gin.)
Oh,I think he probably did, moderately, but the way he’s trying to come across, sounds like something Ace should be saying. Ace would probably say “screwdriver”, not Vodka and Orange juice.
nfarend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:20 am
Maybe it was intentional after all. They just stuck in a 3/4 measure instead of 4/4. Still sounds weird to my ears though.
You're completely lost here. It's a 4/4 bar and the count is on 2, 3, 4. The music ends on the up stroke after the 1, hence the break before the drum roll is 2, 3, 4.
mot$$33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:01 am
Paul talking about all the alcoholic drinks while introducing Cold Gin, cause you know he has no clue.
Are you suggesting Paul didn't drink? But he did, didn't he?
(Then, I don't know if he drank tequila, vodka and orange juice or, indeed, cold gin.)
Oh,I think he probably did, moderately, but the way he’s trying to come across, sounds like something Ace should be saying. Ace would probably say “screwdriver”, not Vodka and Orange juice.
Vodka and orange juice actually sounds cooler. Screwdriver sounds like something an elderly lounge veteran would say.
Ara78 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:18 am
The first "Man battlestations torpedo" warning is clipped a bit at the beginning.
Is the "Man battlestations torpedo" warning something that KISS recorded for the album?
or
Is it sampled from another source?
If so, what is the original source? That could maybe explain why it is clipped.
mot$$33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:01 am
Paul talking about all the alcoholic drinks while introducing Cold Gin, cause you know he has no clue.
Are you suggesting Paul didn't drink? But he did, didn't he?
(Then, I don't know if he drank tequila, vodka and orange juice or, indeed, cold gin.)
Oh,I think he probably did, moderately, but the way he’s trying to come across, sounds like something Ace should be saying. Ace would probably say “screwdriver”, not Vodka and Orange juice.
Vodka and orange juice actually sounds cooler. Screwdriver sounds like something an elderly lounge veteran would say.
Peter LeMarc and Tony Thoren drank screwdrivers made from the tape head cleaner fluid when mixing Det finns inget bättre.
caligari wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:56 amMASTER AND SLAVE:
During one of the final chorus before the song ends,
The gang vocal drops out - and you only get Gene’s voice alone by himself - even though this really a “Paul song”.
- Every time I see a sign
Tell me what's the bottom line
Tell Me
I just want a place to rest,
Count to four and catch my breath -
rwgriffith wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:59 am
I LOVE ❤ that part with Gene singing by himself in the tune "Master And Slave"!!
Yes, was just listening the other day and that jumped out at me. Works really well.
gene therapist wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:52 pm
Rocket Ride switches from minor to major key for the chorus - a let down the very first time I heard it.
Tears Are Falling switches from major to minor key for the chorus - works brilliantly!
I agree with you on Tears are falling, but I don't think that Rocket Ride goes in a minor key before the chorus. There's no third in the tonic chord, so I know it's just a matter of how you hear it, so I don't mean that you are wrong. But if you had to put a third in the riff or the verse, then I think the major one sounds less awkward.
The guitar harmony interlude in the solo section of DO YOU LOVE ME. I'm used to it after 40+ years, but I seem to recall that it sounded odd to me when I first heard it. Same for the riff in the chorus of HOOLIGAN.
Four-Who-Are-One wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:44 pm
Could be an "aural illusion" but does the instrumental outro to Dirty Livin' seem to speed up for anyone else?
Yeah good call. Same with Charisma. It’s just a mili-second in timing but it’s there. And the drums on Modern Day Delilah go a tiny bit out of time during the lead break.
Four-Who-Are-One wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:44 pm
Could be an "aural illusion" but does the instrumental outro to Dirty Livin' seem to speed up for anyone else?
I have always wondered about that. Right before it fades out.
The ending of "Rockin' In The USA". It's a bit chaotic and the ending comes at you suddenly. In general this song is an ultimate rush job, the solo is in place of vocals for the first half of verse 2, Gene doesn't bother to sing "what I would rather do" before chorus 2 and it sounds off that Peter does the snare roll bit for two repetitions at the end when I feel doing it once would of been more effective. Also Gene had a really bad habit for rhyming do with do (this song and "Love 'Em & Leave 'Em).
gene therapist wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:52 pm
Rocket Ride switches from minor to major key for the chorus - a let down the very first time I heard it.
Tears Are Falling switches from major to minor key for the chorus - works brilliantly!
I agree with you on Tears are falling, but I don't think that Rocket Ride goes in a minor key before the chorus. There's no third in the tonic chord, so I know it's just a matter of how you hear it, so I don't mean that you are wrong. But if you had to put a third in the riff or the verse, then I think the major one sounds less awkward.
You're right, I should have clarified I meant major/minor feel, a.k.a. happy and sad, positive and negative.
One odd moment in a Kiss song is the missing guitar solo in RARAN. The studio version should have the guitar solo, like the live version. It's one of the most iconic solos and it's not in the song! That's mad.
jannep17 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:42 am
One odd moment in a Kiss song is the missing guitar solo in RARAN. The studio version should have the guitar solo, like the live version. It's one of the most iconic solos and it's not in the song! That's mad.
The weirdest thing about it is the fact they were looking for ways to extend the length of that album...well, a guitar solo in that song would have been one way.
TheSpoiler wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:02 am
The "Wake up baby don't you sleep" part in I Just Wanna.
Stop it and stop it now.
Post for the Unpopular opinion thread: I like that part...
Perhaps slightly off-topic, but now that the 7/4 in Flamin' You was mentioned...
No one ever mentions the 9/8 bit in Watching You - or more like 2/4 + 5/8. Ezrin said that Peter couldn't grasp the 7/4 in Flamin' Youth, so they made him play the snare on every beat so he didn't have to worry about it.
But Peter had played a much more complicated thing in WY, where he even plays 16th notes on toms over the barline - and catches the riff just fine when it has started again.
The Nothin' To Lose riff is in 7/4 and Peter had no problem with that either.
I'm sure the problem with FY was that Ezrin talked to Peter about 7/4 instead of just letting Peter hear the riff to get the feel of it.
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Sometimes in versions of DRC you'll hear during the solo "you gotta lose your life in Detroit rock city" idk I've always found it odd how it appears sometimes and sometimes not. I don't think they've ever done that part live.
On the subject of DRC, the lyrics are a little puzzling if you think about it:
Get up
Everybody's gonna move their feet
Get down
Everybody's gonna leave their seat
It probably should have been switched to where “get up” is everybody leaving their seat and “get down” (which is a reference to dancing) is everybody moving their feet. So they are first standing, then dancing. Like this:
Get up
Everybody's gonna leave their seat
Get down
Everybody's gonna move their feet
I am happy not knowing a damn thing about music from a technical point. wrong key, wrong note, wrong time, etc. no idea about that stuff. I either like a song or not. I don't think I would like listening to music from the point of view of a musician.
jannep17 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:54 am
I almost forgot two weird Gene things:
Him singing "limpin' as you do" in Watchin' You. (I don't believe for a second that it's "livin' as you do".)
And also singing "let me tizzit your tunnel of love" (I won't believe it's "visit".)
Limping as you do is the right lyric. Why is that weird?
I have never encountered another song addressing someone who is limping. And I seem ro recall that Gene himself claims he's singing "livin'".
No man, Behind The Mask, p. 228, Gene recites the lyric: "Limpin' as you do, I'm watchin' you".
Maybe I get the Gene thing mixed up, I seem to remember him being asked about it and saying "livin'. Search Lyrics.com for instance, there it says "livin'".
jannep17 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:54 am
I almost forgot two weird Gene things:
Him singing "limpin' as you do" in Watchin' You. (I don't believe for a second that it's "livin' as you do".)
And also singing "let me tizzit your tunnel of love" (I won't believe it's "visit".)
Limping as you do is the right lyric. Why is that weird?
I have never encountered another song addressing someone who is limping. And I seem ro recall that Gene himself claims he's singing "livin'".
No man, Behind The Mask, p. 228, Gene recites the lyric: "Limpin' as you do, I'm watchin' you".
Maybe I get the Gene thing mixed up, I seem to remember him being asked about it and saying "livin'. Search Lyrics.com for instance, there it says "livin'".
You're both right. In Behind The Mask Gene says it's "limpin'. But when someone asked about it in the "letters" section of his old website, he said it's "livin'. I remember being puzzled. My theory is that he doesn't like the original lyric and has changed it to "livin'.
Velvis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:30 pm
I am happy not knowing a damn thing about music from a technical point. wrong key, wrong note, wrong time, etc. no idea about that stuff. I either like a song or not. I don't think I would like listening to music from the point of view of a musician.
As a musician I can do both. So can other musicians that I know. In fact, having an ear for those things often enhances the listening experience because you’re not only enjoying the song from a catchy melody point of view but you can also appreciate the skill involved in what is being played or even the simplicity of the song in some cases.
Each to their own, but personally I love having a bit of musical knowledge.
The hi-hat counts are on 2, 3, 4 of the bar, not 1, 2, 3. I don't think Peter is the one with no clue about counting here, no offense. 
MASTER AND SLAVE:
