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GACatmandu wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:29 am
Two Headed Dog wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:00 am Read an interview in 1985, while they were working on what would become Asylum. They said the upcoming album would sound like a mix of Destroyer and another album (can't remember which one). When it was released it sounded nothing like Destroyer; not the songwriting, not the lyrics. not the production...
I remember they said that Destroyer thing about every album in the 1980s it was always the new album will be a mix of Destroyer and whatever the last album was.

Like this: Paul would say "The new album is going to sound like a cross between Destroyer and Animalize." When being asked about the album coming out soon, in this case Asylum. I remember him saying the same shit right before Crazy Nights was released. Paul used this same line for just about every KISS album in the 1980s, I think I saw the same crappy line in reference to Carnival Of Souls a while before they announced the reunion tour and that album was going to be released next.
They purposely do that to talk up each album. Every band does it. It’s verbal promotion.
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It took me a while but yes... they are full of greedy shit!!!! They don't give a fuck about us!!! This bullshit NYE only proves it. Greedy fucks who could give two damns about their fans! And there are dumbasses out there paying a $1000 for a shirt and a guitar pick!!! Sad.. but someday they will wake up!
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andreww1962 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:35 am
Pete2174 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:19 am Here's a thought. Rather than looking at the negative things in Kisstory, why not celebrate the good they have brought into your life?
The guys in KISS have brought far more disappointment in my life than good. I loved them from 1975-81, they were the best band on the planet. but they fell apart, and aside from the reunion, which they ended up fucking up as well, they've done absolutely nothing but try and separate fans and their money.
Serious question; why have you stuck around? It sounds like you’ve had less than 10 good years. If I deemed something to be more disappointing than enjoyable I’d be long gone. Why put yourself through it? Not saying that give you grief, I’m literally just curious.
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AliveIIside4 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:41 pm It took me a while but yes... they are full of greedy shit!!!! They don't give a fuck about us!!! This bullshit NYE only proves it. Greedy fucks who could give two damns about their fans! And there are dumbasses out there paying a $1000 for a shirt and a guitar pick!!! Sad.. but someday they will wake up!
How is this the ultimate sign that they don’t give a shit? They are playing a live concert and streaming it for profit. Everything they do has a fee attached, why is this supposedly the deal breaker for you? Tell me exactly how this in particular proves they don’t care about as us fans?
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Full of shit? 1998 with the fake reunion album.

And by 1999 I realized they were incompetent when they just repeated all the mistakes of “super KISS” that were their downfall. Style over substance, stupid half-assed projects things like movies, the over over over commercialisation and merchandising that they swore in the 90s was a huge mistake and they’d never repeat, that lame Aerosmith wannabe song that sounded nothing like KISS ... the wrestler, Gene just being an asshole in every interview, marginalising Ace and Peter, the list just goes on and on.
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The first thing I couldn't get over was the new tracks on the You Wanted The Best album. I couldn't (and still don't) understand why they insisted those were vintage recordings. That's when the rot set in.
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When the Bruce Kulick albums started getting shat upon!
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When they put Ace on the cover of ‘Killers’.
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spacekace wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:24 pm For me, the illusion of any legitimacy was fully shattered with Psycho Circus. That was a punch in the gut. Straight up fraud.
Yeah that was kind of it for me as well. Even though I knew that KISS had used ghost players in the past, I at least understood the reasons. (Ace wasn't available so Dick Wagner stepped in. Peter was in no shape to play on Dynasty and Unmasked. Etc, etc). But somehow PC felt different. Unlike the examples prior, KISS REALLY went out of their way to promote PC as a reunion record of the 4 originals and fans bought into it hook, line, and sinker! When I finally heard the album and the truth started to come out, that was the first time as a fan that I truly felt marginalized by the band. It was the first time I think I understood what KISS was REALLY about. That they really don't give a shit about their fans. That they do not see the KISS Army as fans at all. They see us as customers, plain and simple. So that's when I started seeing KISS, not as a band, but as kitsch merchants.
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The whole Gene Simmons discovered Van Halen bit. For one, VH was already headlining the Whiskey and the Troubadore, and selling out every time, so Gene wasn't exactly discovering some unknown garage band. He also FAILED to get them a record deal like he promised. Thats right, he had one of the biggest bands in the planet in his pocket, and he passed. So is Gene a genius? Quite the opposite. He seems to brag about this very frequently, but quite frankly, I have no idea what he's bragging about?
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Mr Slow wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:03 am
andreww1962 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:35 am
Pete2174 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:19 am Here's a thought. Rather than looking at the negative things in Kisstory, why not celebrate the good they have brought into your life?
The guys in KISS have brought far more disappointment in my life than good. I loved them from 1975-81, they were the best band on the planet. but they fell apart, and aside from the reunion, which they ended up fucking up as well, they've done absolutely nothing but try and separate fans and their money.
Serious question; why have you stuck around? It sounds like you’ve had less than 10 good years. If I deemed something to be more disappointing than enjoyable I’d be long gone. Why put yourself through it? Not saying that give you grief, I’m literally just curious.
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Mr Slow wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:07 am
AliveIIside4 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:41 pm It took me a while but yes... they are full of greedy shit!!!! They don't give a fuck about us!!! This bullshit NYE only proves it. Greedy fucks who could give two damns about their fans! And there are dumbasses out there paying a $1000 for a shirt and a guitar pick!!! Sad.. but someday they will wake up!
How is this the ultimate sign that they don’t give a shit? They are playing a live concert and streaming it for profit. Everything they do has a fee attached, why is this supposedly the deal breaker for you? Tell me exactly how this in particular proves they don’t care about as us fans?
Because now more than ever it would be a good time to do something for their fans, not for money. Would it have been so hard to do this show for free? Plenty of people are hurting, physically, financially and mentally, why not use your fame to do something meaningful. Nothing wrong with making money, but using a worldwide pandemic as your platform to make huge dollars is just wrong. Plenty of time to make money later.
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Is anybody in this world not full of crap at least some of the time? Sure, the way the reunion was pulled off wasn't really getting "the band" back together. On the EOTR tour, the "Love Gun" vocals continuing while Paul was on the zip line was confusing, to say the least. KISs could've ended after the reunion. I'm glad they didn't.
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For me, it was when I could hear two Paul Stanleys singing on the Alive 2 version of "Tomorrow and Tonight." I still loved 'em, but as a kid, that was the first inkling of disillusionment. Hardly native to KISS, of course.
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Crown Royal wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:56 am
Mr Slow wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:03 am
andreww1962 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:35 am
Pete2174 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:19 am Here's a thought. Rather than looking at the negative things in Kisstory, why not celebrate the good they have brought into your life?
The guys in KISS have brought far more disappointment in my life than good. I loved them from 1975-81, they were the best band on the planet. but they fell apart, and aside from the reunion, which they ended up fucking up as well, they've done absolutely nothing but try and separate fans and their money.
Serious question; why have you stuck around? It sounds like you’ve had less than 10 good years. If I deemed something to be more disappointing than enjoyable I’d be long gone. Why put yourself through it? Not saying that give you grief, I’m literally just curious.
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AliveIIside4 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:41 pm It took me a while but yes... they are full of greedy shit!!!! They don't give a fuck about us!!! This bullshit NYE only proves it. Greedy fucks who could give two damns about their fans! And there are dumbasses out there paying a $1000 for a shirt and a guitar pick!!! Sad.. but someday they will wake up!
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Bruce wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:33 am When the Bruce Kulick albums started getting shat upon!
You didn't like those Bruce The Spruce comments, because he would just stand there like he was about to fall into a coma when he first joined KISS? :D
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Bruce Kulick is my guitar hero, thats all, we are not family. So, I cant take it petsonally when he's occasionally besmirched, or belittled for not being Ace Frehley, or even Paul Stanley, for that matter. But his reputation for being a pill when onstage isn't really fair. He's not uninhibited like David Lee Roth might be, but Bruce had gotten out of his shell quite a bit during his tenure in KIϟϟ. No, what I don't understand is when KIϟϟ shits on its 80's output and on Bruce's solos, in particular.

Gene's famous "angry bee" comments and all that. But listen to No, No, No and tell me that Kulick wasnt encouraged to just go for it. But forget that, its how KIϟϟ is so dismissive of the unmasked years, altogether. Especially, as we all know, a large chunk of those were during Bruce's tenure. The man's a virtuoso! Those records sound great, but ... Bruce wasn't the guy with the silver spikes painted over his eyes, so he doesn't count. Bruce plays how i wish i could and even I can play better than Ace.
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How the Psycho Circus and You Wanted The Best albums really were behind the scenes, compared to how they were presented and promoted.
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When I realized it's not Gene in the She's so European video.
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JohnBergless wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:00 pm For me, the concert I saw on the COTN tour. Ace Frehley everywhere on the videos & artwork, but onstage it’s a guy called Vinnie.



Hey man, you can't spell replace without "ACE".
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StanleytheCarrot wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:55 pm When I realized it's not Gene in the She's so European video :?: :!: :lol: :P :cry: :roll:
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J-Lefty wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:18 am When did you 1st realize KISS was full of crap. For me it was after KISS Exposed!. I was going on 15 and still working my way through the catalogue. Gene and Paul say "we've recorded every show we've ever played". If that was the case why (by 1988) did I own a bootleg copy of every classic KISS show that would surface. 30 years later and there is nothing more available other than what I bought at Rainbow Rock in 1987.
This ones on you if you thought exposed was a historical documentary. Did you cry too when you found out they didn’t actually live in that mansion together?
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StanleytheCarrot wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:55 pm When I realized it's not Gene in the She's so European video.
:lol:

This reminds me of that guy who claimed that it is not Gene on the Dodger Stadium back in 1998 and more things like this. Thanks for making me laugh this morning!
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Dankiss wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:23 am
StanleytheCarrot wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:55 pm When I realized it's not Gene in the She's so European video.
:lol:

This reminds me of that guy who claimed that it is not Gene on the Dodger Stadium back in 1998 and more things like this. Thanks for making me laugh this morning!
Did you laugh like Tom Snyder or sweet talker Ace or like Gene and Paul on the Tomorrow show.
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savage_dreams wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:10 pm
J-Lefty wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:18 am When did you 1st realize KISS was full of crap. For me it was after KISS Exposed!. I was going on 15 and still working my way through the catalogue. Gene and Paul say "we've recorded every show we've ever played". If that was the case why (by 1988) did I own a bootleg copy of every classic KISS show that would surface. 30 years later and there is nothing more available other than what I bought at Rainbow Rock in 1987.
This ones on you if you thought exposed was a historical documentary. Did you cry too when you found out they didn’t actually live in that mansion together?
I was thrown off when I learned it wasn't really Paul's house and when it was pointed out by my non Kiss loving friend that Eric and Bruce were superimposed on Vhs cover.
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KISSworld1972 wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:37 pm How the Psycho Circus and You Wanted The Best albums really were behind the scenes, compared to how they were presented and promoted.
True This :shock:
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I first realised KISS was full of shit and I felt ripped off too when they replaced the top of the original KISS icy poles from a grape to cola a flavour.
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Gradually many things....

When I realized the truth behind albums: YWTB & PS

When they tried to replicate Ace with tommy

When Peter was fired (contract was not renewed)
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PC era, and then all the pennies dropped it was a career built on bullshit, not hype.
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When every album in the 80s was the next Destroyer 2....and the car wash guy that told Paul that Kiss post 2001 should get back together. I hope Paul tipped that car wash guy with some front row seats.
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2012, let me explain...

I was born when kiss was WAY past their prime. 2001 to be exact. Fell in love with the dynasty album around 07 and memorised every members name. My dad proceeded to get me rock the nation as a present. As soon as I open the cover, I notice ace and Peter aren't there, instead Eric and tommy. Didn't think much of it (what 6 year old would?) And still loved the dvd. However a couple years after I slowly lost interest in kiss.

Fast forward to 2012, my kiss obsession reignited when dad presented me with two tickets to see them on their monster tour. I was a bit older then and was learning more about morals and whatnot. Listened to Pauls and Gene's audiobook, but it never sat with me right that they were driving two previous members into the ground so aggressively as if they were completely useless. If they were so bad, why did you hire them in the first place?

So to be exact, monster was my epiphany
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2012, let me explain...

I was born when kiss was WAY past their prime. 2001 to be exact. Fell in love with the dynasty album around 07 and memorised every members name. My dad proceeded to get me rock the nation as a present. As soon as I open the cover, I notice ace and Peter aren't there, instead Eric and tommy. Didn't think much of it (what 6 year old would?) And still loved the dvd. However a couple years after I slowly lost interest in kiss.

Fast forward to 2012, my kiss obsession reignited when dad presented me with two tickets to see them on their monster tour. I was a bit older then and was learning more about morals and whatnot. Listened to Pauls and Gene's audiobook, but it never sat with me right that they were driving two previous members into the ground so aggressively as if they were completely useless. If they were so bad, why did you hire them in the first place?

So to be exact, monster was my epiphany
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savage_dreams wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:10 pm
J-Lefty wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:18 am When did you 1st realize KISS was full of crap. For me it was after KISS Exposed!. I was going on 15 and still working my way through the catalogue. Gene and Paul say "we've recorded every show we've ever played". If that was the case why (by 1988) did I own a bootleg copy of every classic KISS show that would surface. 30 years later and there is nothing more available other than what I bought at Rainbow Rock in 1987.
This ones on you if you thought exposed was a historical documentary. Did you cry too when you found out they didn’t actually live in that mansion together?
It said in the credits where it was actually filmed so I was not bothered by the "revelation" that it wasn't Paul's house.
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Pete2174 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:19 am Here's a thought. Rather than looking at the negative things in Kisstory, why not celebrate the good they have brought into your life?
This. Everyone wants to look good. Everyone revises their own history to shine themselves in the best light. You and I do it and so does everyone in KISS. We're all human. Just enjoy it
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Kiss has been full of shit right from the very beginning.
"Drummer willing to do anything to make it"
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It started right from the get go!
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