Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

[Carr Isma]

Bob doesn't need to apologize of confess anything. This notion is absolute fucking idiocy. KISS should be thanking him for making what is considered their best album and for helping to keep their career alive.

Mr Bob Ezrin doesnt need to apoligize to anyone ever. His career and body of work speaks volumes and hes one man that never needs to kowtow to Gene or Paul or dance around fragilities.
Paul knows it.

It would be cool if one day Bob did decide to do a book, (like Greg Renhoffs upcoming book on Ted Templeman w Teds involvement) and certain stories could be told and tales put to bed not just Destroyer but Elder and Revenge, and working with Alice as a band and a solo artist.
You get Greg involved and you know the research will be meticulous and the writing on par with someone of his academic background. Not just a cut and paste like.. um a recent book. hey just get random fans and casuals to thrown in a page or three...

The reality is that KISS' career may have ended if not for Ezrin and Destroyer with the legitimate hit they had with Beth. RARO and Love Gun did nothing for them in the same regard. Ezrin doesn't have to apologize for shit. Jkiss is insane.

Yep. Paul does know it and Ezrin has been the only producer he respects and will listen to - prior to Ezrin shitting on Sonic Boom and Monster and rightfully so. Bob is correct - those albums suck, especially on a production level.

Oh absolutely - an Ezrin book would be a must read.

Absolutely!

I assume that he was NOT Stevie Nicks-level coked out when he produced Destroyer and The Wall. But by The Elder? Apparently so.

However, if Bob was wasted in the mid-70's, he probably couldn't remember anything any more accurately than Ace does. Just put Ace, Gene, Paul, Peter, Bob, Eddie Kramer, Richie Wise, Vini Poncia, and C.K. Lendt (and maybe some wives?) together in a room, and have a moderator interview them all at once.

[jkiss]

I can't believe anyone would think Bob Ezrin should apologise to Paul Stanley for anything.

Absolutely. That or needing to confess his production sins against KISS is idiocy.

Why do you even care? What does "Destroyer" mean to you & what is your connection to the material or the era itself? Qualify yourself, if you can... I doubt you are able to even do that. And that's because I don't believe you are much of a fan & simply someone that is connected to a warped organization whose goals are to be disruptive, cause conflict & obtain personal information on individuals you target.

That sort of thing continuously goes on at pretty much every high traffic message forum in the world. It's quite easy to see you are not legit & a serial troublemaker.

[Forty Deuce]

I can't believe anyone would think Bob Ezrin should apologise to Paul Stanley for anything.

Absolutely. That or needing to confess his production sins against KISS is idiocy.

Why do you even care? What does "Destroyer" mean to you & what is your connection to the material or the era itself? Qualify yourself, if you can... I doubt you are able to even do that. And that's because I don't believe you are much of a fan & simply someone that is connected to a warped organization whose goals are to be disruptive, cause conflict & obtain personal information on individuals you target.

That sort of thing continuously goes on at pretty much every high traffic message forum in the world. It's pretty easy to see you are not legit & a serial troublemaker.

I care, because I grew up on KISS probably before you were even born (which is why I know more about KISS than you do) and yes, Destroyer was a landmark album in my life and clearly in the lives of others since it is considered their best album THANKS TO EZRIN. He doesn't owe anyone shit.

I don't care what you believe, especially something as dumb as what you are suggesting. You need to take the tinfoil hat off.

[jkiss]

I can't believe anyone would think Bob Ezrin should apologise to Paul Stanley for anything.

Absolutely. That or needing to confess his production sins against KISS is idiocy.

Why do you even care? What does "Destroyer" mean to you & what is your connection to the material or the era itself? Qualify yourself, if you can... I doubt you are able to even do that. And that's because I don't believe you are much of a fan & simply someone that is connected to a warped organization whose goals are to be disruptive, cause conflict & obtain personal information on individuals you target.

That sort of thing continuously goes on at pretty much every high traffic message forum in the world. It's pretty easy to see you are not legit & a serial troublemaker.

I care, because I grew up on KISS probably before you were even born (which is why I know more about KISS than you do) and yes, Destroyer was a landmark album in my life and clearly in the lives of others since it is considered their best album THANKS TO EZRIN. He doesn't owe anyone shit.

I don't care what you believe, especially something as dumb as what you are suggesting. You need to take the tinfoil hat off.

What I think is I'm communicating with multiple users sharing this FortyDeuce account here. Your response is quite telling.

[Forty Deuce]

I can't believe anyone would think Bob Ezrin should apologise to Paul Stanley for anything.

Absolutely. That or needing to confess his production sins against KISS is idiocy.

Why do you even care? What does "Destroyer" mean to you & what is your connection to the material or the era itself? Qualify yourself, if you can... I doubt you are able to even do that. And that's because I don't believe you are much of a fan & simply someone that is connected to a warped organization whose goals are to be disruptive, cause conflict & obtain personal information on individuals you target.

That sort of thing continuously goes on at pretty much every high traffic message forum in the world. It's pretty easy to see you are not legit & a serial troublemaker.

I care, because I grew up on KISS probably before you were even born (which is why I know more about KISS than you do) and yes, Destroyer was a landmark album in my life and clearly in the lives of others since it is considered their best album THANKS TO EZRIN. He doesn't owe anyone shit.

I don't care what you believe, especially something as dumb as what you are suggesting. You need to take the tinfoil hat off.

What I think is I'm communicating with multiple users sharing this FortyDeuce account here. Your response is quite telling.

My response that I was a KISS fan before you were alive and I grew up on KISS and Destroyer? Yes, I can see why would you dodge that and instead double down on batshit crazy.

I have been having conversations with others here that are just fine and they don't think there is a Forty Deuce conspiracy. Are you a big fan of Alex Jones?

Perhaps you should just do us both a favor and block me. We will both be much happier.

[Frehley's Vomit]

Don't sweat it. Most people who disagree with HM get these almost word for word PMs. Just think of them as his special little calling cards.

LOL. I knew you were going to respond.

I respond to you rarely these days, mainly because there's no point stating the obvious again and again. I know you love it when I do though.

[Forty Deuce]

Don't sweat it. Most people who disagree with HM get these almost word for word PMs. Just think of them as his special little calling cards.

LOL. I knew you were going to respond.

I respond to you rarely these days, mainly because there's no point stating the obvious again and again. I know you love it when I do though.

I do only because it's almost become a game - how long before Vomit responds. Even Blackwell would get in on that from time to time and would jokingly say guess who responded.

[Frehley's Vomit]

Don't sweat it. Most people who disagree with HM get these almost word for word PMs. Just think of them as his special little calling cards.

LOL. I knew you were going to respond.

I respond to you rarely these days, mainly because there's no point stating the obvious again and again. I know you love it when I do though.

I do only because it's almost become a game - how long before Vomit responds. Even Blackwell would get in on that from time to time and would jokingly say guess who responded.

Look at you making out that anyone could possibly be as endlessly predictable as you.

Now, back to discussing your pal Bob.

[Forty Deuce]

Don't sweat it. Most people who disagree with HM get these almost word for word PMs. Just think of them as his special little calling cards.

LOL. I knew you were going to respond.

I respond to you rarely these days, mainly because there's no point stating the obvious again and again. I know you love it when I do though.

I do only because it's almost become a game - how long before Vomit responds. Even Blackwell would get in on that from time to time and would jokingly say guess who responded.

Look at you making out that anyone could possibly be as endlessly predictable as you.

Now, back to discussing your pal Bob.

It has nothing to do with being predictable. I am just the same person you have known online for years. Just like Spirit is the same person and Steve is the same person, you are the same person and I am sure Connors is the same person if political discussion was allowed here. You always know what you are going to get.

I just thought it was amusing that I could practically bet on you coming out from your home at Nomads since you don't post here as much anymore just to respond to a post I have made.

[Frehley's Vomit]

Don't sweat it. Most people who disagree with HM get these almost word for word PMs. Just think of them as his special little calling cards.

LOL. I knew you were going to respond.

I respond to you rarely these days, mainly because there's no point stating the obvious again and again. I know you love it when I do though.

I do only because it's almost become a game - how long before Vomit responds. Even Blackwell would get in on that from time to time and would jokingly say guess who responded.

Look at you making out that anyone could possibly be as endlessly predictable as you.

Now, back to discussing your pal Bob.

It has nothing to do with being predictable. I am just the same person you have known online for years. Just like Spirit is the same person and Steve is the same person, you are the same person and I am sure Connors is the same person if political discussion was allowed here. You always know what you are going to get.

I just thought it was amusing that I could practically bet on you coming out from your home at Nomads since you don't post here as much anymore just to respond to a post I have made.

Shows you how much you've been paying attention. I've been posting here for a while. You have made several hundred posts and I ignored almost all of them. I respond to one and you hang your hat on that?

Trust me, you're not that important.

[Forty Deuce]

Don't sweat it. Most people who disagree with HM get these almost word for word PMs. Just think of them as his special little calling cards.

LOL. I knew you were going to respond.

I respond to you rarely these days, mainly because there's no point stating the obvious again and again. I know you love it when I do though.

I do only because it's almost become a game - how long before Vomit responds. Even Blackwell would get in on that from time to time and would jokingly say guess who responded.

Look at you making out that anyone could possibly be as endlessly predictable as you.

Now, back to discussing your pal Bob.

It has nothing to do with being predictable. I am just the same person you have known online for years. Just like Spirit is the same person and Steve is the same person, you are the same person and I am sure Connors is the same person if political discussion was allowed here. You always know what you are going to get.

I just thought it was amusing that I could practically bet on you coming out from your home at Nomads since you don't post here as much anymore just to respond to a post I have made.

Shows you how much you've been paying attention. I've been posting here for a while. You have made several hundred posts and I ignored almost all of them. I respond to one and you hang your hat on that?

Trust me, you're not that important.

LOL. Sure. This time.

[elleneff]

Bob doesn't need to apologize of confess anything. This notion is absolute fucking idiocy. KISS should be thanking him for making what is considered their best album and for helping to keep their career alive.

Mr Bob Ezrin doesnt need to apoligize to anyone ever. His career and body of work speaks volumes and hes one man that never needs to kowtow to Gene or Paul or dance around fragilities.
Paul knows it.

It would be cool if one day Bob did decide to do a book, (like Greg Renhoffs upcoming book on Ted Templeman w Teds involvement) and certain stories could be told and tales put to bed not just Destroyer but Elder and Revenge, and working with Alice as a band and a solo artist.
You get Greg involved and you know the research will be meticulous and the writing on par with someone of his academic background. Not just a cut and paste like.. um a recent book. hey just get random fans and casuals to thrown in a page or three...

The reality is that KISS' career may have ended if not for Ezrin and Destroyer with the legitimate hit they had with Beth. RARO and Love Gun did nothing for them in the same regard. Ezrin doesn't have to apologize for shit. Jkiss is insane.

Yep. Paul does know it and Ezrin has been the only producer he respects and will listen to - prior to Ezrin shitting on Sonic Boom and Monster and rightfully so. Bob is correct - those albums suck, especially on a production level.

Oh absolutely - an Ezrin book would be a must read.

All fair and as a personal plee, its a nice discussion for the most part. what ifs, and decent in depth dissection of Ezrin and his work on Destroyer, his methods and Kiss. methods.

Can I quote Dr Strangelove and Merkin Muffley " Gentlemen, you cant fight in here, this is the War Room!"

[battra]

This story gets bandied about a lot, but we're only getting one side of this. As Paul has admitted and Ace has accused, Paul had no friends, and the band toured and recorded because Paul and Gene had nothing else to do. Ace, however, had friends (even said he flew friends out to hang while on the tour). Perhaps Ace's card game had been planned for a while and Gene, Paul, and Ezrin were in the studio after Ace was told he wasn't needed for the rest of the day. Maybe they changed their mind and Ace was playing cards.

Let's not pretend Kiss were making art. This was their job, no matter how much they might've liked it. Electric Lady Studios was in Greenwich Village. I don't know where Ace lived, but the last time I was in Manhattan, getting anywhere took a while because of traffic. So, let's just say that it took an hour to get to the studio, it's not like Ace would be there for 10 minutes.

How many times did Gene just not show up for sessions?

A couple of things I want to address. Firstly, you said KISS toured & recorded because Gene & Paul had nothing else to do. I think KISS toured & recorded because they were trying to climb the mountain and the band the biggest thing on the planet. This wasn’t a hobby that Gene & Paul worked harder at for kicks.

Secondly, from all that we’ve read Gene was there at pretty much every recording session, even those that he wasn’t required to attend. By the mid 80’s he had guys fill in but that came later.

Where are you getting that he was there?

And Gene was ghosted all the time in the mid SEVENTIES.

The difference is that Ace cared.

Gene Simmons is the most ghosted player in Kiss.

[battra]

Bob Ezrin has been instrumental in the breakup of many bands... Alice Cooper, Pink Floyd and KISS.

Considering Floyd was starting to break up five years before they ever met Ezrin, I'm not certain you can say that.

Then when you consider that Gene & Paul didn't stand up for their guy, I'm not certain you can say Ezrin was to blame.

Gene & Paul were totally fine to no longer make it all for one and one for all.

[elleneff]

Bob Ezrin has been instrumental in the breakup of many bands... Alice Cooper, Pink Floyd and KISS.

Considering Floyd was starting to break up five years before they ever met Ezrin, I'm not certain you can say that.

Then when you consider that Gene & Paul didn't stand up for their guy, I'm not certain you can say Ezrin was to blame.

Gene & Paul were totally fine to no longer make it all for one and one for all.

Floyd due to Waters was breaking from the moment they got together. LOL

But yes. I agree. G & P should have stood up for Ace at the time.
But Ace was against this concept direction and begrudgingly contributed.
It was Genes baby and project. Why would Gene stand with a band member that told him this was a bad idea and was!

[Forty Deuce]

Should Vini Poncia apologize and confess his sins for allowing Anton Fig on Dynasty and Unmasked, ESPECIALLY since he initially worked with Peter and they must have been friends on some level for Peter to want him to produce the next KISS album. Vini should have demanded that Peter drum on the album or he wouldn't produce Dynasty.

[battra]

Bob Ezrin has been instrumental in the breakup of many bands... Alice Cooper, Pink Floyd and KISS.

Considering Floyd was starting to break up five years before they ever met Ezrin, I'm not certain you can say that.

Then when you consider that Gene & Paul didn't stand up for their guy, I'm not certain you can say Ezrin was to blame.

Gene & Paul were totally fine to no longer make it all for one and one for all.

Floyd due to Waters was breaking from the moment they got together. LOL

But yes. I agree. G & P should have stood up for Ace at the time.
But Ace was against this concept direction and begrudgingly contributed.
It was Genes baby and project. Why would Gene stand with a band member that told him this was a bad idea and was!

I think it's wrong to even talk about concept....unless we're not talking thematic concepts.

Ezrin wanted to move the band's studio work into a new arena...the top 40.

Gene and Paul would've shanked Ace in the back to get a #1 hit.

Eh, who am I kidding.

They would've shanked him in the stomach while looking into his eyes, laid him down on the ground, and inhaled his last breath in order to get a #1 hit.

But what's really, REALLY, REALLY FUNNY about all of this....

As Gene and Ace both put it...he had a card game to get to later and left to go to it.

So, here we are...loads of folks bitching about how Ace knocked off work early. That's all he did. He left early one day.



How many people here complaining about Ace leaving work early one day, have had perfect attendance?

And yes, the shitty solo (that Ace had written and Wagner had perfected) on the shitty song, could've waited a day.

Kiss spent a month in the studio on Destroyer. DTK...was a week.