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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by jkiss » Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:44 pm

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Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:11 am

I am not a car guy.

Ezrin did nothing wrong and doesn't have to confess anything. His goal was the make the best album possible and guess what? Destroyer is considered their best studio album. Mission accomplished.
You aren't much of 'a KISS guy' either, but that doesn't stop you.

:)

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by Forty Deuce » Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:48 pm

jkiss wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:44 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:11 am

I am not a car guy.

Ezrin did nothing wrong and doesn't have to confess anything. His goal was the make the best album possible and guess what? Destroyer is considered their best studio album. Mission accomplished.
You aren't much of 'a KISS guy' either, but that doesn't stop you.

:)
Sure I am. I probably know more about KISS than you do, but I am also realistic and not a mindless fanboy or sheep.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by jkiss » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:20 pm

Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:48 pm
jkiss wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:44 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:11 am

I am not a car guy.

Ezrin did nothing wrong and doesn't have to confess anything. His goal was the make the best album possible and guess what? Destroyer is considered their best studio album. Mission accomplished.
You aren't much of 'a KISS guy' either, but that doesn't stop you.

:)
Sure I am. I probably know more about KISS than you do, but I am also realistic and not a mindless fanboy or sheep.
No you aren't. And you don't. You continuously demonstrate you don't know very much ...your contributions to this thread alone is more than enough evidence of that.

Besides, if you know so much ...why haven't you informed anyone at this forum about something they don't already know & that is accurate? I haven't seen anything so far from you I should be overly impressed with.

:|

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by Forty Deuce » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:24 pm

jkiss wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:20 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:48 pm
jkiss wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:44 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:11 am

I am not a car guy.

Ezrin did nothing wrong and doesn't have to confess anything. His goal was the make the best album possible and guess what? Destroyer is considered their best studio album. Mission accomplished.
You aren't much of 'a KISS guy' either, but that doesn't stop you.

:)
Sure I am. I probably know more about KISS than you do, but I am also realistic and not a mindless fanboy or sheep.
No you aren't. And you don't. You continuously demonstrate you don't know very much ...your contributions to this thread alone is more than enough evidence of that.

Besides, if you know so much ...why haven't you told anyone at this forum something they don't already know & that is accurate? I haven't seen anything so far I should be impressed with.

:|
I am sure I do and your posts in this thread have been completely ridiculous and moronic quite frankly.

I am not here to impress you, but clearly you need me to educate you given your clueless comments in this thread like the need for a confession from Bob. LOL.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by jkiss » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:31 pm

Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:24 pm
jkiss wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:20 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:48 pm
jkiss wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:44 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:11 am

I am not a car guy.

Ezrin did nothing wrong and doesn't have to confess anything. His goal was the make the best album possible and guess what? Destroyer is considered their best studio album. Mission accomplished.
You aren't much of 'a KISS guy' either, but that doesn't stop you.

:)
Sure I am. I probably know more about KISS than you do, but I am also realistic and not a mindless fanboy or sheep.
No you aren't. And you don't. You continuously demonstrate you don't know very much ...your contributions to this thread alone is more than enough evidence of that.

Besides, if you know so much ...why haven't you told anyone at this forum something they don't already know & that is accurate? I haven't seen anything so far I should be impressed with.

:|
I am sure I do and your posts in this thread have been completely ridiculous and moronic quite frankly.

I am not here to impress you, but clearly you need me to educate you given your clueless comments in this thread like the need for a confession from Bob. LOL.
And yes you are here to impress everyone, but failing miserably. Go ahead ...tell us all something we don't already know ...I'm waiting. You must have 'something' & especially, since you know so much.

:P

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by Forty Deuce » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:45 pm

jkiss wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:31 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:24 pm
jkiss wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:20 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:48 pm
jkiss wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:44 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:11 am

I am not a car guy.

Ezrin did nothing wrong and doesn't have to confess anything. His goal was the make the best album possible and guess what? Destroyer is considered their best studio album. Mission accomplished.
You aren't much of 'a KISS guy' either, but that doesn't stop you.

:)
Sure I am. I probably know more about KISS than you do, but I am also realistic and not a mindless fanboy or sheep.
No you aren't. And you don't. You continuously demonstrate you don't know very much ...your contributions to this thread alone is more than enough evidence of that.

Besides, if you know so much ...why haven't you told anyone at this forum something they don't already know & that is accurate? I haven't seen anything so far I should be impressed with.

:|
I am sure I do and your posts in this thread have been completely ridiculous and moronic quite frankly.

I am not here to impress you, but clearly you need me to educate you given your clueless comments in this thread like the need for a confession from Bob. LOL.
And yes you are here to impress everyone, but failing miserably. Go ahead ...tell us all something we don't already know ...I'm waiting. You must have 'something' & especially, since you know so much.

:P
Well clearly you didn't know that Destroyer is considered their best album and the only thing outside of Alive that is respected and as close to classic as there is in their entire discography. And yet, you somehow think Ezrin needs to confess his sins and apologize for making their best album.

Don't worry, I will point out how you are laughably wrong the next time I see such a moronic post from you.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by jkiss » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:56 pm

Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:45 pm
jkiss wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:31 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:24 pm
jkiss wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:20 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:48 pm
jkiss wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:44 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:11 am

I am not a car guy.

Ezrin did nothing wrong and doesn't have to confess anything. His goal was the make the best album possible and guess what? Destroyer is considered their best studio album. Mission accomplished.
You aren't much of 'a KISS guy' either, but that doesn't stop you.

:)
Sure I am. I probably know more about KISS than you do, but I am also realistic and not a mindless fanboy or sheep.
No you aren't. And you don't. You continuously demonstrate you don't know very much ...your contributions to this thread alone is more than enough evidence of that.

Besides, if you know so much ...why haven't you told anyone at this forum something they don't already know & that is accurate? I haven't seen anything so far I should be impressed with.

:|
I am sure I do and your posts in this thread have been completely ridiculous and moronic quite frankly.

I am not here to impress you, but clearly you need me to educate you given your clueless comments in this thread like the need for a confession from Bob. LOL.
And yes you are here to impress everyone, but failing miserably. Go ahead ...tell us all something we don't already know ...I'm waiting. You must have 'something' & especially, since you know so much.

:P
Well clearly you didn't know that Destroyer is considered their best album and the only thing outside of Alive that is respected and as close to classic as there is in their entire discography. And yet, you somehow think Ezrin needs to confess his sins and apologize for making their best album.

Don't worry, I will point out how you are laughably wrong the next time I see such a moronic post from you.
I'm not worrying about you, but yet again you fail to tell us all here something we don't already know. And that just goes to show what you know. If you have 'something' ...best share it or stop 'wasting' everyone's time here.

:?

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by Forty Deuce » Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:01 pm

jkiss wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:56 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:45 pm
jkiss wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:31 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:24 pm
jkiss wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:20 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:48 pm
jkiss wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:44 pm


You aren't much of 'a KISS guy' either, but that doesn't stop you.

:)
Sure I am. I probably know more about KISS than you do, but I am also realistic and not a mindless fanboy or sheep.
No you aren't. And you don't. You continuously demonstrate you don't know very much ...your contributions to this thread alone is more than enough evidence of that.

Besides, if you know so much ...why haven't you told anyone at this forum something they don't already know & that is accurate? I haven't seen anything so far I should be impressed with.

:|
I am sure I do and your posts in this thread have been completely ridiculous and moronic quite frankly.

I am not here to impress you, but clearly you need me to educate you given your clueless comments in this thread like the need for a confession from Bob. LOL.
And yes you are here to impress everyone, but failing miserably. Go ahead ...tell us all something we don't already know ...I'm waiting. You must have 'something' & especially, since you know so much.

:P
Well clearly you didn't know that Destroyer is considered their best album and the only thing outside of Alive that is respected and as close to classic as there is in their entire discography. And yet, you somehow think Ezrin needs to confess his sins and apologize for making their best album.

Don't worry, I will point out how you are laughably wrong the next time I see such a moronic post from you.
I'm not worrying about you, but yet again you fail to tell us all here something we don't already know. And that just goes to show what you know. If you have 'something' ...best share it or stop 'wasting' everyone's time here.

:?
If you already knew this stuff, you wouldn't have made such an idiotic post about Ezrin and we wouldn't even be talking about this at all. Now you are digging yourself into the hole even further. Better to just stop talking and move on.

Have a good night.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by jkiss » Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:08 pm

Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:01 pm
jkiss wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:56 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:45 pm
jkiss wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:31 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:24 pm
jkiss wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:20 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:48 pm


Sure I am. I probably know more about KISS than you do, but I am also realistic and not a mindless fanboy or sheep.
No you aren't. And you don't. You continuously demonstrate you don't know very much ...your contributions to this thread alone is more than enough evidence of that.

Besides, if you know so much ...why haven't you told anyone at this forum something they don't already know & that is accurate? I haven't seen anything so far I should be impressed with.

:|
I am sure I do and your posts in this thread have been completely ridiculous and moronic quite frankly.

I am not here to impress you, but clearly you need me to educate you given your clueless comments in this thread like the need for a confession from Bob. LOL.
And yes you are here to impress everyone, but failing miserably. Go ahead ...tell us all something we don't already know ...I'm waiting. You must have 'something' & especially, since you know so much.

:P
Well clearly you didn't know that Destroyer is considered their best album and the only thing outside of Alive that is respected and as close to classic as there is in their entire discography. And yet, you somehow think Ezrin needs to confess his sins and apologize for making their best album.

Don't worry, I will point out how you are laughably wrong the next time I see such a moronic post from you.
I'm not worrying about you, but yet again you fail to tell us all here something we don't already know. And that just goes to show what you know. If you have 'something' ...best share it or stop 'wasting' everyone's time here.

:?
If you already knew this stuff, you wouldn't have made such an idiotic post about Ezrin and we wouldn't even be talking about this at all. Now you are digging yourself into the hole even further. Better to just stop talking and move on.

Have a good night.
No, it is you that needs to move on & right out of this forum. Do everyone a favor & get lost ...I'm not kidding.

:wink:

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by Tito » Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:10 am

A certain poster's tone here has become extremely grating in its negativity.

Ridiculous, dumb, moronic, clueless, idiotic, fucking this and fucking that.

Would it be too much to ask to tone that stuff down a little?

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by elleneff » Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:55 am

Tito wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:30 am
gene therapist wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:39 am
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Even something as simple as "Do You Love Me", the drum intro alone sounds markedly different in feel from the way it's played on the album.
Didn't Ezrin (also) come up with the drum beat for DRC? It just works so wonderfully.
Inasmuch as it would seem to be based on "Acrobat", I'd say no.
Well, to my ears, DRC it is a shuffle. played faster, with a match grip, but a shuffle none the less.
Add to that the spanish flamenco solo ( when I heard Bob tell it that way, how he had to show Ace what he meant, took a flamenco guitar, and played it THAT way. Blew my mind and now that s what I hear. Hes right.
Subtle influences that I never copped till he spelt it out

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by elleneff » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:02 am

TheSpoiler wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:03 am
Bruce wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:52 am
Alright, so I'm curious, now: how much of Ezrin, if any at all, is in Revenge? Because it sounds very much like the band and the way you might expect for them to play. And yes I know about Wagner playing the solo on Every Time I Look at You!
Ezrin, if anything, softened the sound on Revenge. For evidence, just listen to the demos. Much harder edged sound, bass and drums higher in the mix. Erzin's influence is very much there on the finished product, but I prefer the demos by a country mile.

Listen - this outguns the finished version IMHO - Gene's bass (or is it Bruce?) absolutely pumping, Eric's drums sounding sharper, guitars with more teeth etc.


Or click here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTyCy-6buIY
I love Singers snare sound on this. really improves on the finished thing IMO. Kudos.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by elleneff » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:59 am

Thunderous_Lay wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:14 am
TheSpoiler wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:42 am
* snip *
Allow me to put it this way, then....

I don't believe Gene came up with the bass line for DRC, let alone played on the studio version.

By Ace's own admission, Ezrin was the one who came up with the flamenco section and supposedly taught it to them.

As to the drums, Aucoin confirmed that Allan Schwartzberg played on the record, albeit only on one track.

Supposedly.

:wink:
Sir!!!!! nods.

Id add that Schwartzberg most likely (though not stating as fact) overdubbed a lot on that record and we know (as much as I love Peters drumming on Dressed to Kill and RARO (Peters style and swings and sloppiness was part of that Kiss sound)

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by jkiss » Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:40 pm

elleneff wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:59 am
Thunderous_Lay wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:14 am
TheSpoiler wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:42 am
* snip *
Allow me to put it this way, then....

I don't believe Gene came up with the bass line for DRC, let alone played on the studio version.

By Ace's own admission, Ezrin was the one who came up with the flamenco section and supposedly taught it to them.

As to the drums, Aucoin confirmed that Allan Schwartzberg played on the record, albeit only on one track.

Supposedly.

:wink:
Sir!!!!! nods.

Id add that Schwartzberg most likely (though not stating as fact) overdubbed a lot on that record and we know (as much as I love Peters drumming on Dressed to Kill and RARO (Peters style and swings and sloppiness was part of that Kiss sound)
Yes, I agree; however, Bob would need to 'confess' or 'attest' ('OK it') to it first & along with Paul & Gene (as per recording contracts). It would be nice after all this time for Allan to be able candidly talk about the entire experience (if his tracks were used ...sure 'sounds' enough like him); as most certainly he's a fantastic drummer. No doubt as to why Bob used him often enough.

:thumleft:

Although, I don't believe Bob or even Allan need 'apologize' for it, but that's more so someone else's going 'off-the-rails' here. And he even PM'd telling to me 'stop talking' because 'I'm making a fool of myself'.

:?

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by elleneff » Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:53 am

jkiss wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:40 pm
elleneff wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:59 am
Thunderous_Lay wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:14 am
TheSpoiler wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:42 am
* snip *
Allow me to put it this way, then....

I don't believe Gene came up with the bass line for DRC, let alone played on the studio version.

By Ace's own admission, Ezrin was the one who came up with the flamenco section and supposedly taught it to them.

As to the drums, Aucoin confirmed that Allan Schwartzberg played on the record, albeit only on one track.

Supposedly.

:wink:
Sir!!!!! nods.

Id add that Schwartzberg most likely (though not stating as fact) overdubbed a lot on that record and we know (as much as I love Peters drumming on Dressed to Kill and RARO (Peters style and swings and sloppiness was part of that Kiss sound)
Yes, I agree; however, Bob would need to 'confess' or 'attest' ('OK it') to it first & along with Paul & Gene (as per recording contracts). It would be nice after all this time for Allan to be able candidly talk about the entire experience (if his tracks were used ...sure 'sounds' enough like him); as most certainly he's a fantastic drummer. No doubt as to why Bob used him often enough.

:thumleft:

Although, I don't believe Bob or even Allan need 'apologize' for it, but that's more so someone else's going 'off-the-rails' here. And he even PM'd telling to me 'stop talking' because 'I'm making a fool of myself'.

:?
Interesting. Ty for that.

Clearly there are still NDAs in place to some extent and rather than incure wrath, they prefer to deny. 40 off years later.

Whats pretty clear is it will be at least 15/20 years after the band is done before a real tell all book can spill the beans as to who did or did not do what.
20 years is usually the time. Principals passed. No come back. and once its the truth, little the corporation can do.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

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jkiss wrote:
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And he even PM'd telling to me 'stop talking' because 'I'm making a fool of myself'.
You don't say? I'm "an insufferable fucking whiner".

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

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Tito wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:35 am
jkiss wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:40 pm
And he even PM'd telling to me 'stop talking' because 'I'm making a fool of myself'.
You don't say? I'm "an insufferable fucking whiner".
Well as I told Julian - I thought it was best to take the back and forth drama off the board, since he will often lock threads because of that - so that is why I sent you a PM. He understood that.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by Forty Deuce » Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:44 am

Bob doesn't need to apologize of confess anything. This notion is absolute fucking idiocy. KISS should be thanking him for making what is considered their best album and for helping to keep their career alive.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by Tito » Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:53 am

Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:40 am
Tito wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:35 am
jkiss wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:40 pm
And he even PM'd telling to me 'stop talking' because 'I'm making a fool of myself'.
You don't say? I'm "an insufferable fucking whiner".
Well as I told Julian - I thought it was best to take the back and forth drama off the board, since he will often lock threads because of that - so that is why I sent you a PM. He understood that.
I am not in the least bit interested in back and forth drama, or any private communication with you for that matter. I would assume most of us come here because KISS is our happy place. You clearly know about the band, and could well have some interesting points to make. My simple request to you was to turn down your frankly excessively negative tone. It's unnecessary.

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...absolute fucking idiocy...
Clearly it was too much to ask for. You do you, I guess. *shrug*

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by Forty Deuce » Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:27 am

Tito wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:53 am
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:40 am
Tito wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:35 am
jkiss wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:40 pm
And he even PM'd telling to me 'stop talking' because 'I'm making a fool of myself'.
You don't say? I'm "an insufferable fucking whiner".
Well as I told Julian - I thought it was best to take the back and forth drama off the board, since he will often lock threads because of that - so that is why I sent you a PM. He understood that.
I am not in the least bit interested in back and forth drama, or any private communication with you for that matter. I would assume most of us come here because KISS is our happy place. You clearly know about the band, and could well have some interesting points to make. My simple request to you was to turn down your frankly excessively negative tone. It's unnecessary.

Forty Deuce wrote:
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...absolute fucking idiocy...
Clearly it was too much to ask for. You do you, I guess. *shrug*
We all have our different personalities, quirks and ways of speaking or expressing ourselves. People swear for example to emphasize a point.

It amazes me that how I post actually bothers a grown man this much. Perhaps Tito - King Of The Street just needs to block me if me being me is too much for him.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by elleneff » Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:17 pm

Forty Deuce wrote:
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Bob doesn't need to apologize of confess anything. This notion is absolute fucking idiocy. KISS should be thanking him for making what is considered their best album and for helping to keep their career alive.
Mr Bob Ezrin doesnt need to apoligize to anyone ever. His career and body of work speaks volumes and hes one man that never needs to kowtow to Gene or Paul or dance around fragilities.
Paul knows it.

It would be cool if one day Bob did decide to do a book, (like Greg Renhoffs upcoming book on Ted Templeman w Teds involvement) and certain stories could be told and tales put to bed not just Destroyer but Elder and Revenge, and working with Alice as a band and a solo artist.
You get Greg involved and you know the research will be meticulous and the writing on par with someone of his academic background. Not just a cut and paste like.. um a recent book. hey just get random fans and casuals to thrown in a page or three...

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by Forty Deuce » Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:05 pm

elleneff wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:17 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:44 am
Bob doesn't need to apologize of confess anything. This notion is absolute fucking idiocy. KISS should be thanking him for making what is considered their best album and for helping to keep their career alive.
Mr Bob Ezrin doesnt need to apoligize to anyone ever. His career and body of work speaks volumes and hes one man that never needs to kowtow to Gene or Paul or dance around fragilities.
Paul knows it.

It would be cool if one day Bob did decide to do a book, (like Greg Renhoffs upcoming book on Ted Templeman w Teds involvement) and certain stories could be told and tales put to bed not just Destroyer but Elder and Revenge, and working with Alice as a band and a solo artist.
You get Greg involved and you know the research will be meticulous and the writing on par with someone of his academic background. Not just a cut and paste like.. um a recent book. hey just get random fans and casuals to thrown in a page or three...
The reality is that KISS' career may have ended if not for Ezrin and Destroyer with the legitimate hit they had with Beth. RARO and Love Gun did nothing for them in the same regard. Ezrin doesn't have to apologize for shit. Jkiss is insane.

Yep. Paul does know it and Ezrin has been the only producer he respects and will listen to - prior to Ezrin shitting on Sonic Boom and Monster and rightfully so. Bob is correct - those albums suck, especially on a production level.

Oh absolutely - an Ezrin book would be a must read.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

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Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:05 pm
elleneff wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:17 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:44 am
Bob doesn't need to apologize of confess anything. This notion is absolute fucking idiocy. KISS should be thanking him for making what is considered their best album and for helping to keep their career alive.
Mr Bob Ezrin doesnt need to apoligize to anyone ever. His career and body of work speaks volumes and hes one man that never needs to kowtow to Gene or Paul or dance around fragilities.
Paul knows it.

It would be cool if one day Bob did decide to do a book, (like Greg Renhoffs upcoming book on Ted Templeman w Teds involvement) and certain stories could be told and tales put to bed not just Destroyer but Elder and Revenge, and working with Alice as a band and a solo artist.
You get Greg involved and you know the research will be meticulous and the writing on par with someone of his academic background. Not just a cut and paste like.. um a recent book. hey just get random fans and casuals to thrown in a page or three...
The reality is that KISS' career may have ended if not for Ezrin and Destroyer with the legitimate hit they had with Beth. RARO and Love Gun did nothing for them in the same regard. Ezrin doesn't have to apologize for shit. Jkiss is insane.

Yep. Paul does know it and Ezrin has been the only producer he respects and will listen to - prior to Ezrin shitting on Sonic Boom and Monster and rightfully so. Bob is correct - those albums suck, especially on a production level.

Oh absolutely - an Ezrin book would be a must read.
Quite a bit of name calling ...last time I checked that was called 'bullying'. Maybe you're into bullying women online? I almost think so; as I never claimed Bob needed to apologize for anything, but yet you keep bringing that up as if I did as a point to argue from.

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So the thread isn't further infested with your idiocy and cluelessness, you need to just stop talking.

I mean confession from Bob Ezrin? How can you not see how stupid that is? You are making a fool of yourself.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by Crown Royal » Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:36 pm

He has sent me similar PMs, the man is truly insane

This must be, what, Hey Man's 30th account on her by now?

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Post by Forty Deuce » Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:00 pm

jkiss wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:34 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:05 pm
elleneff wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:17 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:44 am
Bob doesn't need to apologize of confess anything. This notion is absolute fucking idiocy. KISS should be thanking him for making what is considered their best album and for helping to keep their career alive.
Mr Bob Ezrin doesnt need to apoligize to anyone ever. His career and body of work speaks volumes and hes one man that never needs to kowtow to Gene or Paul or dance around fragilities.
Paul knows it.

It would be cool if one day Bob did decide to do a book, (like Greg Renhoffs upcoming book on Ted Templeman w Teds involvement) and certain stories could be told and tales put to bed not just Destroyer but Elder and Revenge, and working with Alice as a band and a solo artist.
You get Greg involved and you know the research will be meticulous and the writing on par with someone of his academic background. Not just a cut and paste like.. um a recent book. hey just get random fans and casuals to thrown in a page or three...
The reality is that KISS' career may have ended if not for Ezrin and Destroyer with the legitimate hit they had with Beth. RARO and Love Gun did nothing for them in the same regard. Ezrin doesn't have to apologize for shit. Jkiss is insane.

Yep. Paul does know it and Ezrin has been the only producer he respects and will listen to - prior to Ezrin shitting on Sonic Boom and Monster and rightfully so. Bob is correct - those albums suck, especially on a production level.

Oh absolutely - an Ezrin book would be a must read.
Quite a bit of name calling ...last time I checked that was called 'bullying'. Maybe you're into bullying women online? I almost think so; as I never claimed Bob needed to apologize for anything, but yet you keep bringing that up as a point to argue from.

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So the thread isn't further infested with your idiocy and cluelessness, you need to just stop talking.

I mean confession from Bob Ezrin? How can you not see how stupid that is? You are making a fool of yourself.

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As I explained to Tito: I thought it was best to take the back and forth drama off the board, since he will often lock threads because of that - so that is why I sent you a PM. He understood that.

Your gender has nothing to do with it clearly as I messaged Tito among others.

I was trying to ensure this thread wouldn't get locked as many often do here for exactly this reason. It is quite common for mods/admins to say to people going back and forth to take it to PM. I did. Apparently this is a new concept for you.

Confess or apologize - either is a completely ridiculous notion. Bob Ezrin doesn't owe anyone a thing. KISS owe him if anything.
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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by Forty Deuce » Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:08 pm

Crown Royal wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:36 pm
He has sent me similar PMs, the man is truly insane

This must be, what, Hey Man's 30th account on her by now?
I sent you a PM on a forum for fuck sake. You make it sound like I travelled by plane and came on knocked on your front. What the fuck do you think the PM feature is for? It is so members can contact members for whatever reason if it is not necessary for the board or if you want to speak to someone directly. You apparently learned something new today.

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:lol: Don't sweat it. Most people who disagree with HM get these almost word for word PMs. Just think of them as his special little calling cards.

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I can't believe anyone would think Bob Ezrin should apologise to Paul Stanley for anything. :lol:

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

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:lol: Don't sweat it. Most people who disagree with HM get these almost word for word PMs. Just think of them as his special little calling cards.
LOL. I knew you were going to respond.

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I can't believe anyone would think Bob Ezrin should apologise to Paul Stanley for anything. :lol:
Absolutely. That or needing to confess his production sins against KISS is idiocy.

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Post by Carr Isma » Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:58 pm

Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:05 pm
elleneff wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:17 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:44 am
Bob doesn't need to apologize of confess anything. This notion is absolute fucking idiocy. KISS should be thanking him for making what is considered their best album and for helping to keep their career alive.
Mr Bob Ezrin doesnt need to apoligize to anyone ever. His career and body of work speaks volumes and hes one man that never needs to kowtow to Gene or Paul or dance around fragilities.
Paul knows it.

It would be cool if one day Bob did decide to do a book, (like Greg Renhoffs upcoming book on Ted Templeman w Teds involvement) and certain stories could be told and tales put to bed not just Destroyer but Elder and Revenge, and working with Alice as a band and a solo artist.
You get Greg involved and you know the research will be meticulous and the writing on par with someone of his academic background. Not just a cut and paste like.. um a recent book. hey just get random fans and casuals to thrown in a page or three...
The reality is that KISS' career may have ended if not for Ezrin and Destroyer with the legitimate hit they had with Beth. RARO and Love Gun did nothing for them in the same regard. Ezrin doesn't have to apologize for shit. Jkiss is insane.

Yep. Paul does know it and Ezrin has been the only producer he respects and will listen to - prior to Ezrin shitting on Sonic Boom and Monster and rightfully so. Bob is correct - those albums suck, especially on a production level.

Oh absolutely - an Ezrin book would be a must read.
Absolutely!

I assume that he was NOT Stevie Nicks-level coked out when he produced Destroyer and The Wall. But by The Elder? Apparently so.

However, if Bob was wasted in the mid-70's, he probably couldn't remember anything any more accurately than Ace does. Just put Ace, Gene, Paul, Peter, Bob, Eddie Kramer, Richie Wise, Vini Poncia, and C.K. Lendt (and maybe some wives?) together in a room, and have a moderator interview them all at once.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

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Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:48 pm
Frehley's Vomit wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:27 pm
I can't believe anyone would think Bob Ezrin should apologise to Paul Stanley for anything. :lol:
Absolutely. That or needing to confess his production sins against KISS is idiocy.
Why do you even care? What does "Destroyer" mean to you & what is your connection to the material or the era itself? Qualify yourself, if you can... I doubt you are able to even do that. And that's because I don't believe you are much of a fan & simply someone that is connected to a warped organization whose goals are to be disruptive, cause conflict & obtain personal information on individuals you target.

That sort of thing continuously goes on at pretty much every high traffic message forum in the world. It's quite easy to see you are not legit & a serial troublemaker.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by Forty Deuce » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:20 pm

jkiss wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:00 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:48 pm
Frehley's Vomit wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:27 pm
I can't believe anyone would think Bob Ezrin should apologise to Paul Stanley for anything. :lol:
Absolutely. That or needing to confess his production sins against KISS is idiocy.
Why do you even care? What does "Destroyer" mean to you & what is your connection to the material or the era itself? Qualify yourself, if you can... I doubt you are able to even do that. And that's because I don't believe you are much of a fan & simply someone that is connected to a warped organization whose goals are to be disruptive, cause conflict & obtain personal information on individuals you target.

That sort of thing continuously goes on at pretty much every high traffic message forum in the world. It's pretty easy to see you are not legit & a serial troublemaker.

:wink:
I care, because I grew up on KISS probably before you were even born (which is why I know more about KISS than you do) and yes, Destroyer was a landmark album in my life and clearly in the lives of others since it is considered their best album THANKS TO EZRIN. He doesn't owe anyone shit.

I don't care what you believe, especially something as dumb as what you are suggesting. You need to take the tinfoil hat off.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by jkiss » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:38 pm

Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:20 pm
jkiss wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:00 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:48 pm
Frehley's Vomit wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:27 pm
I can't believe anyone would think Bob Ezrin should apologise to Paul Stanley for anything. :lol:
Absolutely. That or needing to confess his production sins against KISS is idiocy.
Why do you even care? What does "Destroyer" mean to you & what is your connection to the material or the era itself? Qualify yourself, if you can... I doubt you are able to even do that. And that's because I don't believe you are much of a fan & simply someone that is connected to a warped organization whose goals are to be disruptive, cause conflict & obtain personal information on individuals you target.

That sort of thing continuously goes on at pretty much every high traffic message forum in the world. It's pretty easy to see you are not legit & a serial troublemaker.

:wink:
I care, because I grew up on KISS probably before you were even born (which is why I know more about KISS than you do) and yes, Destroyer was a landmark album in my life and clearly in the lives of others since it is considered their best album THANKS TO EZRIN. He doesn't owe anyone shit.

I don't care what you believe, especially something as dumb as what you are suggesting. You need to take the tinfoil hat off.
What I think is I'm communicating with multiple users sharing this FortyDeuce account here. Your response is quite telling.

:?

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by Forty Deuce » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:47 pm

jkiss wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:38 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:20 pm
jkiss wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:00 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:48 pm
Frehley's Vomit wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:27 pm
I can't believe anyone would think Bob Ezrin should apologise to Paul Stanley for anything. :lol:
Absolutely. That or needing to confess his production sins against KISS is idiocy.
Why do you even care? What does "Destroyer" mean to you & what is your connection to the material or the era itself? Qualify yourself, if you can... I doubt you are able to even do that. And that's because I don't believe you are much of a fan & simply someone that is connected to a warped organization whose goals are to be disruptive, cause conflict & obtain personal information on individuals you target.

That sort of thing continuously goes on at pretty much every high traffic message forum in the world. It's pretty easy to see you are not legit & a serial troublemaker.

:wink:
I care, because I grew up on KISS probably before you were even born (which is why I know more about KISS than you do) and yes, Destroyer was a landmark album in my life and clearly in the lives of others since it is considered their best album THANKS TO EZRIN. He doesn't owe anyone shit.

I don't care what you believe, especially something as dumb as what you are suggesting. You need to take the tinfoil hat off.
What I think is I'm communicating with multiple users sharing this FortyDeuce account here. Your response is quite telling.

:?
My response that I was a KISS fan before you were alive and I grew up on KISS and Destroyer? Yes, I can see why would you dodge that and instead double down on batshit crazy.

I have been having conversations with others here that are just fine and they don't think there is a Forty Deuce conspiracy. Are you a big fan of Alex Jones?

Perhaps you should just do us both a favor and block me. We will both be much happier.

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Post by Frehley's Vomit » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:12 pm

Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:48 pm
Frehley's Vomit wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:25 pm
:lol: Don't sweat it. Most people who disagree with HM get these almost word for word PMs. Just think of them as his special little calling cards.
LOL. I knew you were going to respond.
I respond to you rarely these days, mainly because there's no point stating the obvious again and again. I know you love it when I do though.

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Post by Forty Deuce » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:17 pm

Frehley's Vomit wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:12 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:48 pm
Frehley's Vomit wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:25 pm
:lol: Don't sweat it. Most people who disagree with HM get these almost word for word PMs. Just think of them as his special little calling cards.
LOL. I knew you were going to respond.
I respond to you rarely these days, mainly because there's no point stating the obvious again and again. I know you love it when I do though.
I do only because it's almost become a game - how long before Vomit responds. Even Blackwell would get in on that from time to time and would jokingly say guess who responded.

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Post by Frehley's Vomit » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:31 pm

Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:17 pm
Frehley's Vomit wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:12 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:48 pm
Frehley's Vomit wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:25 pm
:lol: Don't sweat it. Most people who disagree with HM get these almost word for word PMs. Just think of them as his special little calling cards.
LOL. I knew you were going to respond.
I respond to you rarely these days, mainly because there's no point stating the obvious again and again. I know you love it when I do though.
I do only because it's almost become a game - how long before Vomit responds. Even Blackwell would get in on that from time to time and would jokingly say guess who responded.
Look at you making out that anyone could possibly be as endlessly predictable as you. :lol:

Now, back to discussing your pal Bob.

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Post by Forty Deuce » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:43 pm

Frehley's Vomit wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:31 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:17 pm
Frehley's Vomit wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:12 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:48 pm
Frehley's Vomit wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:25 pm
:lol: Don't sweat it. Most people who disagree with HM get these almost word for word PMs. Just think of them as his special little calling cards.
LOL. I knew you were going to respond.
I respond to you rarely these days, mainly because there's no point stating the obvious again and again. I know you love it when I do though.
I do only because it's almost become a game - how long before Vomit responds. Even Blackwell would get in on that from time to time and would jokingly say guess who responded.
Look at you making out that anyone could possibly be as endlessly predictable as you. :lol:

Now, back to discussing your pal Bob.
It has nothing to do with being predictable. I am just the same person you have known online for years. Just like Spirit is the same person and Steve is the same person, you are the same person and I am sure Connors is the same person if political discussion was allowed here. You always know what you are going to get.

I just thought it was amusing that I could practically bet on you coming out from your home at Nomads since you don't post here as much anymore just to respond to a post I have made.

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Post by Frehley's Vomit » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:02 am

Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:43 pm
Frehley's Vomit wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:31 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:17 pm
Frehley's Vomit wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:12 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:48 pm
Frehley's Vomit wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:25 pm
:lol: Don't sweat it. Most people who disagree with HM get these almost word for word PMs. Just think of them as his special little calling cards.
LOL. I knew you were going to respond.
I respond to you rarely these days, mainly because there's no point stating the obvious again and again. I know you love it when I do though.
I do only because it's almost become a game - how long before Vomit responds. Even Blackwell would get in on that from time to time and would jokingly say guess who responded.
Look at you making out that anyone could possibly be as endlessly predictable as you. :lol:

Now, back to discussing your pal Bob.
It has nothing to do with being predictable. I am just the same person you have known online for years. Just like Spirit is the same person and Steve is the same person, you are the same person and I am sure Connors is the same person if political discussion was allowed here. You always know what you are going to get.

I just thought it was amusing that I could practically bet on you coming out from your home at Nomads since you don't post here as much anymore just to respond to a post I have made.
Shows you how much you've been paying attention. I've been posting here for a while. You have made several hundred posts and I ignored almost all of them. I respond to one and you hang your hat on that? :lol:

Trust me, you're not that important.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by Forty Deuce » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:10 am

Frehley's Vomit wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:02 am
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:43 pm
Frehley's Vomit wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:31 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:17 pm
Frehley's Vomit wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:12 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:48 pm
Frehley's Vomit wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:25 pm
:lol: Don't sweat it. Most people who disagree with HM get these almost word for word PMs. Just think of them as his special little calling cards.
LOL. I knew you were going to respond.
I respond to you rarely these days, mainly because there's no point stating the obvious again and again. I know you love it when I do though.
I do only because it's almost become a game - how long before Vomit responds. Even Blackwell would get in on that from time to time and would jokingly say guess who responded.
Look at you making out that anyone could possibly be as endlessly predictable as you. :lol:

Now, back to discussing your pal Bob.
It has nothing to do with being predictable. I am just the same person you have known online for years. Just like Spirit is the same person and Steve is the same person, you are the same person and I am sure Connors is the same person if political discussion was allowed here. You always know what you are going to get.

I just thought it was amusing that I could practically bet on you coming out from your home at Nomads since you don't post here as much anymore just to respond to a post I have made.
Shows you how much you've been paying attention. I've been posting here for a while. You have made several hundred posts and I ignored almost all of them. I respond to one and you hang your hat on that? :lol:

Trust me, you're not that important.
LOL. Sure. This time.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by elleneff » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:03 am

Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:05 pm
elleneff wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:17 pm
Forty Deuce wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:44 am
Bob doesn't need to apologize of confess anything. This notion is absolute fucking idiocy. KISS should be thanking him for making what is considered their best album and for helping to keep their career alive.
Mr Bob Ezrin doesnt need to apoligize to anyone ever. His career and body of work speaks volumes and hes one man that never needs to kowtow to Gene or Paul or dance around fragilities.
Paul knows it.

It would be cool if one day Bob did decide to do a book, (like Greg Renhoffs upcoming book on Ted Templeman w Teds involvement) and certain stories could be told and tales put to bed not just Destroyer but Elder and Revenge, and working with Alice as a band and a solo artist.
You get Greg involved and you know the research will be meticulous and the writing on par with someone of his academic background. Not just a cut and paste like.. um a recent book. hey just get random fans and casuals to thrown in a page or three...
The reality is that KISS' career may have ended if not for Ezrin and Destroyer with the legitimate hit they had with Beth. RARO and Love Gun did nothing for them in the same regard. Ezrin doesn't have to apologize for shit. Jkiss is insane.

Yep. Paul does know it and Ezrin has been the only producer he respects and will listen to - prior to Ezrin shitting on Sonic Boom and Monster and rightfully so. Bob is correct - those albums suck, especially on a production level.

Oh absolutely - an Ezrin book would be a must read.
All fair and as a personal plee, its a nice discussion for the most part. what ifs, and decent in depth dissection of Ezrin and his work on Destroyer, his methods and Kiss. methods.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by battra » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:18 am

Mr Slow wrote:
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This story gets bandied about a lot, but we're only getting one side of this. As Paul has admitted and Ace has accused, Paul had no friends, and the band toured and recorded because Paul and Gene had nothing else to do. Ace, however, had friends (even said he flew friends out to hang while on the tour). Perhaps Ace's card game had been planned for a while and Gene, Paul, and Ezrin were in the studio after Ace was told he wasn't needed for the rest of the day. Maybe they changed their mind and Ace was playing cards.

Let's not pretend Kiss were making art. This was their job, no matter how much they might've liked it. Electric Lady Studios was in Greenwich Village. I don't know where Ace lived, but the last time I was in Manhattan, getting anywhere took a while because of traffic. So, let's just say that it took an hour to get to the studio, it's not like Ace would be there for 10 minutes.

How many times did Gene just not show up for sessions?
A couple of things I want to address. Firstly, you said KISS toured & recorded because Gene & Paul had nothing else to do. I think KISS toured & recorded because they were trying to climb the mountain and the band the biggest thing on the planet. This wasn’t a hobby that Gene & Paul worked harder at for kicks.

Secondly, from all that we’ve read Gene was there at pretty much every recording session, even those that he wasn’t required to attend. By the mid 80’s he had guys fill in but that came later.
Where are you getting that he was there?

And Gene was ghosted all the time in the mid SEVENTIES.

The difference is that Ace cared.

Gene Simmons is the most ghosted player in Kiss.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by battra » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:48 am

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Bob Ezrin has been instrumental in the breakup of many bands... Alice Cooper, Pink Floyd and KISS.
Considering Floyd was starting to break up five years before they ever met Ezrin, I'm not certain you can say that.

Then when you consider that Gene & Paul didn't stand up for their guy, I'm not certain you can say Ezrin was to blame.

Gene & Paul were totally fine to no longer make it all for one and one for all.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by elleneff » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:53 am

battra wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:48 am
StraightThruTheHeart wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:50 am
Bob Ezrin has been instrumental in the breakup of many bands... Alice Cooper, Pink Floyd and KISS.
Considering Floyd was starting to break up five years before they ever met Ezrin, I'm not certain you can say that.

Then when you consider that Gene & Paul didn't stand up for their guy, I'm not certain you can say Ezrin was to blame.

Gene & Paul were totally fine to no longer make it all for one and one for all.
Floyd due to Waters was breaking from the moment they got together. LOL

But yes. I agree. G & P should have stood up for Ace at the time.
But Ace was against this concept direction and begrudgingly contributed.
It was Genes baby and project. Why would Gene stand with a band member that told him this was a bad idea and was!

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by Forty Deuce » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:37 am

Should Vini Poncia apologize and confess his sins for allowing Anton Fig on Dynasty and Unmasked, ESPECIALLY since he initially worked with Peter and they must have been friends on some level for Peter to want him to produce the next KISS album. Vini should have demanded that Peter drum on the album or he wouldn't produce Dynasty.

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Re: Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band

Post by battra » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:02 pm

elleneff wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:53 am
battra wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:48 am
StraightThruTheHeart wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:50 am
Bob Ezrin has been instrumental in the breakup of many bands... Alice Cooper, Pink Floyd and KISS.
Considering Floyd was starting to break up five years before they ever met Ezrin, I'm not certain you can say that.

Then when you consider that Gene & Paul didn't stand up for their guy, I'm not certain you can say Ezrin was to blame.

Gene & Paul were totally fine to no longer make it all for one and one for all.
Floyd due to Waters was breaking from the moment they got together. LOL

But yes. I agree. G & P should have stood up for Ace at the time.
But Ace was against this concept direction and begrudgingly contributed.
It was Genes baby and project. Why would Gene stand with a band member that told him this was a bad idea and was!
I think it's wrong to even talk about concept....unless we're not talking thematic concepts.

Ezrin wanted to move the band's studio work into a new arena...the top 40.

Gene and Paul would've shanked Ace in the back to get a #1 hit.

Eh, who am I kidding.

They would've shanked him in the stomach while looking into his eyes, laid him down on the ground, and inhaled his last breath in order to get a #1 hit.

But what's really, REALLY, REALLY FUNNY about all of this....

As Gene and Ace both put it...he had a card game to get to later and left to go to it.

So, here we are...loads of folks bitching about how Ace knocked off work early. That's all he did. He left early one day.

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How many people here complaining about Ace leaving work early one day, have had perfect attendance?

And yes, the shitty solo (that Ace had written and Wagner had perfected) on the shitty song, could've waited a day.

Kiss spent a month in the studio on Destroyer. DTK...was a week.

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