Ace confirms Bob Ezrin broke up the band
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:10 pm
At around 9 min he says he was replaced on Destroyer
And wasn’t told till after it was released!
Providing the cracks in the band!
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yepGoing Blind wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:44 pm Well that's a long crack Ace, considering you didn't leave till The Elder. Ace's anger is so lazy it takes him 5 albums later to get upset about the situation.
When Bob Ezrin was producing again!Going Blind wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:44 pm Well that's a long crack Ace, considering you didn't leave till The Elder. Ace's anger is so lazy it takes him 5 albums later to get upset about the situation.
Bob Ezrin would have brought out the anger! He was like a drill Sergeant! LOL!Jamcarl321 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:38 pmWhen Bob Ezrin was producing again!Going Blind wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:44 pm Well that's a long crack Ace, considering you didn't leave till The Elder. Ace's anger is so lazy it takes him 5 albums later to get upset about the situation.
Much improved today. Hope it indicates on the mend.
The lack of cell phones broke up the band. Likely Ace didn't give the guys a phone # where he could be reached!Sam T Serpent wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:32 pmRight. Bob did it because of Ace’s decision to stay at a card game. So it was Ace that broke the band up
Ha! Ha! Ha! Post the thread!Going Blind wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:44 pm Well that's a long crack Ace, considering you didn't leave till The Elder. Ace's anger is so lazy it takes him 5 albums later to get upset about the situation.
Right? And when you finally get your old job back twenty years later, which you didn't deserve, how about cleaning up, looking after yourself, putting the work in and caring enough to play well?
Game, set and match right here. Even out of KISS, Frehley's Comet could really have been something, albeit a big fish in a small 80s rock pond, if Ace had (again) cleaned up, applied himself, practised, used his talent instead of pissing it away and worked with a co-writer/frontman who brought the best out of him.Ack Attack wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:04 pmAce’s wasted potential is legendary. He has no one to blame but himself.
A couple of things I want to address. Firstly, you said KISS toured & recorded because Gene & Paul had nothing else to do. I think KISS toured & recorded because they were trying to climb the mountain and the band the biggest thing on the planet. This wasn’t a hobby that Gene & Paul worked harder at for kicks.ashorama wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:10 pm This story gets bandied about a lot, but we're only getting one side of this. As Paul has admitted and Ace has accused, Paul had no friends, and the band toured and recorded because Paul and Gene had nothing else to do. Ace, however, had friends (even said he flew friends out to hang while on the tour). Perhaps Ace's card game had been planned for a while and Gene, Paul, and Ezrin were in the studio after Ace was told he wasn't needed for the rest of the day. Maybe they changed their mind and Ace was playing cards.
Let's not pretend Kiss were making art. This was their job, no matter how much they might've liked it. Electric Lady Studios was in Greenwich Village. I don't know where Ace lived, but the last time I was in Manhattan, getting anywhere took a while because of traffic. So, let's just say that it took an hour to get to the studio, it's not like Ace would be there for 10 minutes.
How many times did Gene just not show up for sessions?
I know you have your preferences, but Gene and Paul needed the reunion just as badly as Ace and Peter did. You would not have 5 extra Bruce and Eric Singer albums if not for the reunion.steve wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:19 pmRight? And when you finally get your old job back twenty years later, which you didn't deserve, how about cleaning up, looking after yourself, putting the work in and caring enough to play well?
I loved Ace as a kid, and think he was at his peak and a player and songwriter from 78-80. Seeing him live in 97 and 01 was one of many low points of the reunion era.
Of course, they toured because they were trying to climb the mountain. C'mon, man. Don't be such a literalist. They toured excessively, in Ace's view. Between April 1976 and April of 1978, they played 215 shows and recorded 3 albums. That's a lot of activity. For comparison's sake, Fleetwood Mac, played only 224 in 3 years, 1975-1978.Mr Slow wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:37 pmA couple of things I want to address. Firstly, you said KISS toured & recorded because Gene & Paul had nothing else to do. I think KISS toured & recorded because they were trying to climb the mountain and the band the biggest thing on the planet. This wasn’t a hobby that Gene & Paul worked harder at for kicks.ashorama wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:10 pm This story gets bandied about a lot, but we're only getting one side of this. As Paul has admitted and Ace has accused, Paul had no friends, and the band toured and recorded because Paul and Gene had nothing else to do. Ace, however, had friends (even said he flew friends out to hang while on the tour). Perhaps Ace's card game had been planned for a while and Gene, Paul, and Ezrin were in the studio after Ace was told he wasn't needed for the rest of the day. Maybe they changed their mind and Ace was playing cards.
Let's not pretend Kiss were making art. This was their job, no matter how much they might've liked it. Electric Lady Studios was in Greenwich Village. I don't know where Ace lived, but the last time I was in Manhattan, getting anywhere took a while because of traffic. So, let's just say that it took an hour to get to the studio, it's not like Ace would be there for 10 minutes.
How many times did Gene just not show up for sessions?
Secondly, from all that we’ve read Gene was there at pretty much every recording session, even those that he wasn’t required to attend. By the mid 80’s he had guys fill in but that came later.
"...they switched 'a couple' of my guitar solos with somebody else..." (the other one likely being "God of Thunder" ...perhaps even others). Interesting he claims he didn't find-out until 'after' the album was released. I'd really have a super good laugh if I found-out if they were all replaced by Bob & only to each find-out 'after' the album was released. And Bill was like, "Sorry, guys I guess Bob felt he needed to erase you all from your own album, but don't worry ...it'll all work-out for the greater good."
He couldn't leave them without an ace in their deck...Sam T Serpent wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:32 pmRight. Bob did it because of Ace’s decision to stay at a card game. So it was Ace that broke the band up
Literalist? You literally said “ the band toured and recorded because Paul and Gene had nothing else to do“. How else does someone take that?ashorama wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:48 pmOf course, they toured because they were trying to climb the mountain. C'mon, man. Don't be such a literalist. They toured excessively, in Ace's view. Between April 1976 and April of 1978, they played 215 shows and recorded 3 albums. That's a lot of activity. For comparison's sake, Fleetwood Mac, played only 224 in 3 years, 1975-1978.Mr Slow wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:37 pmA couple of things I want to address. Firstly, you said KISS toured & recorded because Gene & Paul had nothing else to do. I think KISS toured & recorded because they were trying to climb the mountain and the band the biggest thing on the planet. This wasn’t a hobby that Gene & Paul worked harder at for kicks.ashorama wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:10 pm This story gets bandied about a lot, but we're only getting one side of this. As Paul has admitted and Ace has accused, Paul had no friends, and the band toured and recorded because Paul and Gene had nothing else to do. Ace, however, had friends (even said he flew friends out to hang while on the tour). Perhaps Ace's card game had been planned for a while and Gene, Paul, and Ezrin were in the studio after Ace was told he wasn't needed for the rest of the day. Maybe they changed their mind and Ace was playing cards.
Let's not pretend Kiss were making art. This was their job, no matter how much they might've liked it. Electric Lady Studios was in Greenwich Village. I don't know where Ace lived, but the last time I was in Manhattan, getting anywhere took a while because of traffic. So, let's just say that it took an hour to get to the studio, it's not like Ace would be there for 10 minutes.
How many times did Gene just not show up for sessions?
Secondly, from all that we’ve read Gene was there at pretty much every recording session, even those that he wasn’t required to attend. By the mid 80’s he had guys fill in but that came later.
And it was the Eighties when Gene started telling this story.
You miss my point, sir. Regardless of my thoughts on Peter, he was drug free and in great shape for his age during the reunion years. Ace couldn't make any such claim, and that's what disappoints me. If I were given a golden opportunity like that, I would clean up, play the best I could and give my all. Ace didn't do that or anything close to it.Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:37 pmI know you have your preferences, but Gene and Paul needed the reunion just as badly as Ace and Peter did. You would not have 5 extra Bruce and Eric Singer albums if not for the reunion.
Truth be told, Paul and Gene deserve some blame as well with how things went with the reunion and the problems that returned. It isn't just Ace and Peter.
Again, I think Gene and Paul contributed to that. Blame is deserved all around.steve wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:12 pmYou miss my point, sir. Regardless of my thoughts on Peter, he was drug free and in great shape for his age during the reunion years. Ace couldn't make any such claim, and that's what disappoints me. If I were given a golden opportunity like that, I would clean up, play the best I could and give my all. Ace didn't do that or anything close to it.Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:37 pmI know you have your preferences, but Gene and Paul needed the reunion just as badly as Ace and Peter did. You would not have 5 extra Bruce and Eric Singer albums if not for the reunion.
Truth be told, Paul and Gene deserve some blame as well with how things went with the reunion and the problems that returned. It isn't just Ace and Peter.
That solo was most likely what was laid down for the demo. But perhaps when they went to the next stage of perfecting everything that’s where Ace didn’t show up.DoggFather wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:50 pm Not sure the card game thing holds much water anymore. How come on Destroyer Resurrected, they found this "great" original Ace solo???
Fixed your post.
Gene and Paul contributed to what? Ace being the person he is?Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:14 pm Again, I think Gene and Paul contributed to that. Blame is deserved all around.
Yes.gene therapist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:10 pmGene and Paul contributed to what? Ace being the person he is?Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:14 pm Again, I think Gene and Paul contributed to that. Blame is deserved all around.
They made him do drugs, declare bankruptcy (twice?) and grab the quick cash in exchange for the rights to his make-up design. OK.Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:15 pmYes.gene therapist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:10 pmGene and Paul contributed to what? Ace being the person he is?Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:14 pm Again, I think Gene and Paul contributed to that. Blame is deserved all around.
I am talking about the reunion, but yes - they deserve a little blame too for the past. I clearly said that there is blame for all. I never said Ace did nothing.gene therapist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:28 pmThey made him do drugs, declare bankruptcy (twice?) and grab the quick cash in exchange for the rights to his make-up design. OK.Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:15 pmYes.gene therapist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:10 pmGene and Paul contributed to what? Ace being the person he is?Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:14 pm Again, I think Gene and Paul contributed to that. Blame is deserved all around.
Paul, Gene & Rachel are wrong in blaming Ace. Ace did nothing.
There are Ace apologists and then there is this!Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:15 pmYes.gene therapist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:10 pmGene and Paul contributed to what? Ace being the person he is?Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:14 pm Again, I think Gene and Paul contributed to that. Blame is deserved all around.
Tears are falling... from laughing.Going Blind wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:44 pm Well that's a long crack Ace, considering you didn't leave till The Elder. Ace's anger is so lazy it takes him 5 albums later to get upset about the situation.
I am not an Ace apologist at all and again, I never said he doesn't deserve blame as well.Mr Slow wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:57 pmThere are Ace apologists and then there is this!Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:15 pmYes.gene therapist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:10 pmGene and Paul contributed to what? Ace being the person he is?Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:14 pm Again, I think Gene and Paul contributed to that. Blame is deserved all around.
Ok I’ll bite. How did Gene & Paul contribute to Ace’s decline during the Reunion era?
Sorry, I’m not playing your game. You never said they were all to blame, you said they contributed to Ace’s downfall. Those two things are very different.Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:16 pmI am not an Ace apologist at all and again, I never said he doesn't deserve blame as well.Mr Slow wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:57 pmThere are Ace apologists and then there is this!Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:15 pmYes.gene therapist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:10 pmGene and Paul contributed to what? Ace being the person he is?Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:14 pm Again, I think Gene and Paul contributed to that. Blame is deserved all around.
Ok I’ll bite. How did Gene & Paul contribute to Ace’s decline during the Reunion era?
Think about it, before you automatically dismiss it. I will be back tomorrow to see how you did and hopefully you are able to concede that they are all to blame for the problems in the band.
They clearly forced him to drink heavily, take drugs and induce lethargy. FORCED him I tell you. It was a conspiracy./puts on tinfoilhatMr Slow wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:57 pmThere are Ace apologists and then there is this!Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:15 pmYes.gene therapist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:10 pmGene and Paul contributed to what? Ace being the person he is?Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:14 pm Again, I think Gene and Paul contributed to that. Blame is deserved all around.
Ok I’ll bite. How did Gene & Paul contribute to Ace’s decline during the Reunion era?
elleneff wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:28 amThey clearly forced him to drink heavily, take drugs and induce lethargy. FORCED him I tell you. It was a conspiracy./puts on tinfoilhatMr Slow wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:57 pmThere are Ace apologists and then there is this!Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:15 pmYes.gene therapist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:10 pmGene and Paul contributed to what? Ace being the person he is?Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:14 pm Again, I think Gene and Paul contributed to that. Blame is deserved all around.
Ok I’ll bite. How did Gene & Paul contribute to Ace’s decline during the Reunion era?
They also forced him to go to that card game...elleneff wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:28 amThey clearly forced him to drink heavily, take drugs and induce lethargy. FORCED him I tell you. It was a conspiracy./puts on tinfoilhatMr Slow wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:57 pmThere are Ace apologists and then there is this!Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:15 pmYes.gene therapist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:10 pmGene and Paul contributed to what? Ace being the person he is?Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:14 pm Again, I think Gene and Paul contributed to that. Blame is deserved all around.
Ok I’ll bite. How did Gene & Paul contribute to Ace’s decline during the Reunion era?
And to crash the DeloreanPete2174 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:41 amThey also forced him to go to that card game...elleneff wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:28 amThey clearly forced him to drink heavily, take drugs and induce lethargy. FORCED him I tell you. It was a conspiracy./puts on tinfoilhatMr Slow wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:57 pmThere are Ace apologists and then there is this!Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:15 pmYes.gene therapist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:10 pmGene and Paul contributed to what? Ace being the person he is?Forty Deuce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:14 pm Again, I think Gene and Paul contributed to that. Blame is deserved all around.
Ok I’ll bite. How did Gene & Paul contribute to Ace’s decline during the Reunion era?