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That ‘s pretty revealing about the royalties for both Vinnie Vincent Invasion and Slaughter.

vantheman77 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:47 pm That ‘s pretty revealing about the royalties for both Vinnie Vincent Invasion and Slaughter.

ASG has been out of print for years. The only VV related thing he probably gets royalties for still is Nightmare On Elm Street

Plus VV owed SO much money to Chrysalys from overspending on his recording budgets and no recoup that Id not be surprised if they OR UMG who bought them out, garnished any royalties till everything was repaid and even now, I doubt it is.

The remasters were released about ten years ago.

I think Mark sounded amazing on all systems go. Its very bizarre vv holds grudges against all the all systems go guys who were basically kids.

EggFlip wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:53 pmIts very bizarre vv

No one will argue with that, I'm sure.

Around VV's Atlanta return; maybe even slightly before - I rather naively posted something along the lines of Vinnie aligning with Mark Slaughter on a new project made the most sense.. BY FAR!!!

- Mark is a bigger draw than Robert or anyone else in the picture actually.. He's more well known and would have brought additional attention to the project..
- Mark has stayed active. He understands the requirements of the current game.. He could take some pressure off Vinnie as 2nd guitarist/ lead vocalist AND as a focal point on that stage too.. It could have been a great thing! It really could have....

Whatever truly went down with them; really should not be the basis of a lifelong grudge and bitterrness.. Thats insane... The basis seems to be that he went with Dana on a project and did not stay with Vinnie?!? That decision was vindicated as his project outsold VVI! He did the right thing...

Okay decades and decades later could the hatchet not be buried? Let bygones be bygones? From a business standpoint - think that aligning with Mark Slaughter right NOW makes the most business sense?? If it was put to Mark in the right way - he almost certainly would have been on board...

VVI songs, KISS songs, 1 or 2 Slaughter songs; what a great project that could have been!! Sorry too much logic at play here... After all there's drama to be had.. Message board wars to be had.. Message board aliases to be fighting tooth and nail with each other.. Bitching about people in the past.. Thats all better use of the time... Very sad indeed.. What a waste.....

Mark is a super nice guy, and a great guitarist. And he can still play!

Mark going back to VVI would be like Paul going back to Wicked Lester.

ashorama wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:28 pm Mark going back to VVI would be like Paul going back to Wicked Lester.

The idea with this hypothetical is that it wouldn't be called VVI... As Mark has some clout too in this; maybe "The Vinnie Vincent/ Mark Slaughter Project" something basic?? Again it could've been a terrific thing...

As I said hypothetical - Vinnie's got grudges to hang on to; online wars to fight, these things can be very time consuming...

Ohhh Vinnie, just let all the silly pointless shit go, be positive - make every post a winner.... life's too short...

ashorama wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:28 pm Mark going back to VVI would be like Paul going back to Wicked Lester.

Yep.
Off topic but by the mid-70's when people would ask Paul McCartney when the Beatles would get back together he often said, "When you go back to high school." I never thought that was a good answer because if Lennon had not died imagine the money that might have been offered them plus they could get have gotten along. Or maybe they never would have.

ashorama wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:28 pmMark going back to VVI would be like Paul going back to Wicked Lester.

Yup.

Vinnie Vincent's Invasion literally went nowhere; Slaughter's first record, on the other hand, went multi-platinum and the second went Gold.

Granted, it was thirty years ago or so, and even though the band is little more than a relic, at least Mark can still tune and play a guitar, not to mention sing.

Phyllis Simmons wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:07 pm

ashorama wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:28 pm Mark going back to VVI would be like Paul going back to Wicked Lester.

The idea with this hypothetical is that it wouldn't be called VVI... As Mark has some clout too in this; maybe "The Vinnie Vincent/ Mark Slaughter Project" something basic?? Again it could've been a terrific thing...

As I said hypothetical - Vinnie's got grudges to hang on to; online wars to fight, these things can be very time consuming...

Ohhh Vinnie, just let all the silly pointless shit go, be positive - make every post a winner.... life's too short...

Hypothetical is one thing.

In order to present such , it kinda needs to be a rational summation.

and one of that duo suggested is neither rational nor bankable.

Its worth noting that of that VVI band, Fleishman is a successful artist , writer and singer. Strum is constantly in demand with Vince Neil and Slaughter, and production, Mark is constantly writing, recording and playing and Bobby is also a noted, highly regarded and consistantly working musician, tours, writes, author etc.
Of the band, theres only one whom there in no activity other than he playing up his own long since expired self professed "legend" yet , wont play, record, write, put on a show, just....engages a few , Ill call them challenged and clearly special individuals on social media to pass on and do his bidding.
Pinocchio Cusano indeed. Liar liar with his panties on fire......

The Gene Vault Experience and Miami pre-Kruise party proved that Vinnie can't play anymore.

elleneff wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:05 am

Phyllis Simmons wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:07 pm

ashorama wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:28 pm Mark going back to VVI would be like Paul going back to Wicked Lester.

The idea with this hypothetical is that it wouldn't be called VVI... As Mark has some clout too in this; maybe "The Vinnie Vincent/ Mark Slaughter Project" something basic?? Again it could've been a terrific thing...

As I said hypothetical - Vinnie's got grudges to hang on to; online wars to fight, these things can be very time consuming...

Ohhh Vinnie, just let all the silly pointless shit go, be positive - make every post a winner.... life's too short...

Hypothetical is one thing.

In order to present such , it kinda needs to be a rational summation.

and one of that duo suggested is neither rational nor bankable.

Its worth noting that of that VVI band, Fleishman is a successful artist , writer and singer. Strum is constantly in demand with Vince Neil and Slaughter, and production, Mark is constantly writing, recording and playing and Bobby is also a noted, highly regarded and consistantly working musician, tours, writes, author etc.
Of the band, theres only one whom there in no activity other than he playing up his own long since expired self professed "legend" yet , wont play, record, write, put on a show, just....engages a few , Ill call them challenged and clearly special individuals on social media to pass on and do his bidding.
Pinocchio Cusano indeed. Liar liar with his panties on fire......

Pointing out the resumes of the guys he couldn't get along with certainly helps illustrate that Vinnie's perceptions and approach to things make him the odd man out and have led to a significant rift between them. It's legitimately sad, and I'm not diagnosing anyone but I know people who have legitimate diagnoses (some medicated, some not) and they are isolated types who can come up with even the smallest reasons to "prove" people are against them and/or reasons to not do or try things. They will dissect everything in order to look for a reason to be upset, no matter how far back they have to go to find it, or how insignificant a rational person would find it.

But with Vinnie it's a little different because he does things for financial reasons, too. He's just such an interesting case study.

I know for a fact Mark and Bobby would have done a reunion show a few years before vv's come back. They held no grudges .. unfortunately vv still holds grudges against both. As for Dana he is an enigma in the fact no one seems to have a clue what he thinks.

elleneff wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:05 am

Phyllis Simmons wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:07 pm

ashorama wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:28 pm Mark going back to VVI would be like Paul going back to Wicked Lester.

The idea with this hypothetical is that it wouldn't be called VVI... As Mark has some clout too in this; maybe "The Vinnie Vincent/ Mark Slaughter Project" something basic?? Again it could've been a terrific thing...

As I said hypothetical - Vinnie's got grudges to hang on to; online wars to fight, these things can be very time consuming...

Ohhh Vinnie, just let all the silly pointless shit go, be positive - make every post a winner.... life's too short...

Hypothetical is one thing.

In order to present such , it kinda needs to be a rational summation.

and one of that duo suggested is neither rational nor bankable.

Its worth noting that of that VVI band, Fleishman is a successful artist , writer and singer. Strum is constantly in demand with Vince Neil and Slaughter, and production, Mark is constantly writing, recording and playing and Bobby is also a noted, highly regarded and consistantly working musician, tours, writes, author etc.
Of the band, theres only one whom there in no activity other than he playing up his own long since expired self professed "legend" yet , wont play, record, write, put on a show, just....engages a few , Ill call them challenged and clearly special individuals on social media to pass on and do his bidding.
Pinocchio Cusano indeed. Liar liar with his panties on fire......

Nately120 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:49 am

elleneff wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:05 am

Phyllis Simmons wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:07 pm

ashorama wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:28 pm Mark going back to VVI would be like Paul going back to Wicked Lester.

The idea with this hypothetical is that it wouldn't be called VVI... As Mark has some clout too in this; maybe "The Vinnie Vincent/ Mark Slaughter Project" something basic?? Again it could've been a terrific thing...

As I said hypothetical - Vinnie's got grudges to hang on to; online wars to fight, these things can be very time consuming...

Ohhh Vinnie, just let all the silly pointless shit go, be positive - make every post a winner.... life's too short...

Hypothetical is one thing.

In order to present such , it kinda needs to be a rational summation.

and one of that duo suggested is neither rational nor bankable.

Its worth noting that of that VVI band, Fleishman is a successful artist , writer and singer. Strum is constantly in demand with Vince Neil and Slaughter, and production, Mark is constantly writing, recording and playing and Bobby is also a noted, highly regarded and consistantly working musician, tours, writes, author etc.
Of the band, theres only one whom there in no activity other than he playing up his own long since expired self professed "legend" yet , wont play, record, write, put on a show, just....engages a few , Ill call them challenged and clearly special individuals on social media to pass on and do his bidding.
Pinocchio Cusano indeed. Liar liar with his panties on fire......

Pointing out the resumes of the guys he couldn't get along with certainly helps illustrate that Vinnie's perceptions and approach to things make him the odd man out and have led to a significant rift between them. It's legitimately sad, and I'm not diagnosing anyone but I know people who have legitimate diagnoses (some medicated, some not) and they are isolated types who can come up with even the smallest reasons to "prove" people are against them and/or reasons to not do or try things. They will dissect everything in order to look for a reason to be upset, no matter how far back they have to go to find it, or how insignificant a rational person would find it.

But with Vinnie it's a little different because he does things for financial reasons, too. He's just such an interesting case study.

Ok. Fair point. He didnt get along with the members of VVI.
But he didnt get along with Paul in Kiss.
He had serious issues with Rik Fox.
The promoters in 96 in Stockholm he stiffed.
He and the New England guys in Warrior, he stiffed.
Then theres Derek Christopher, Randy, Bill Temple, his attorney at Atlanta for 20 plus years.
I mean the list just goes on and on and on.

He exausts the patience of anyone in his proximity that will initially let him away with it and he pushes that envelope further and further to see what he cant get away with and how far others will bend to him. Because of the band he used to play in for 18 months in the 80s.

He is a Diva but sadly no longer has the talent to back up such behavior. Prince he aint.

If he announces his retirement, after a disasterous comeback, its not because of the fans or his choice, hes playing it because all the offers have dried up and no professional promoter for even an Expo will waste their time with him and his obseqious rediculous diva like demands. Hes playing it like its his choice and its because of the haters..

One thing you hit the nail squarely on the head. All he has to offer is that he is indeed an interesting case study in psychologial behaviours. Nothing more.

EggFlip wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:35 am I know for a fact Mark and Bobby would have done a reunion show a few years before vv's come back. They held no grudges .. unfortunately vv still holds grudges against both. As for Dana he is an enigma in the fact no one seems to have a clue what he thinks

I know that Robert doesn't want to work with Dana again. He's pretty disliked throughout the music industry

elleneff wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:56 am

Nately120 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:49 am

elleneff wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:05 am

Phyllis Simmons wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:07 pm

ashorama wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:28 pm Mark going back to VVI would be like Paul going back to Wicked Lester.

The idea with this hypothetical is that it wouldn't be called VVI... As Mark has some clout too in this; maybe "The Vinnie Vincent/ Mark Slaughter Project" something basic?? Again it could've been a terrific thing...

As I said hypothetical - Vinnie's got grudges to hang on to; online wars to fight, these things can be very time consuming...

Ohhh Vinnie, just let all the silly pointless shit go, be positive - make every post a winner.... life's too short...

Hypothetical is one thing.

In order to present such , it kinda needs to be a rational summation.

and one of that duo suggested is neither rational nor bankable.

Its worth noting that of that VVI band, Fleishman is a successful artist , writer and singer. Strum is constantly in demand with Vince Neil and Slaughter, and production, Mark is constantly writing, recording and playing and Bobby is also a noted, highly regarded and consistantly working musician, tours, writes, author etc.
Of the band, theres only one whom there in no activity other than he playing up his own long since expired self professed "legend" yet , wont play, record, write, put on a show, just....engages a few , Ill call them challenged and clearly special individuals on social media to pass on and do his bidding.
Pinocchio Cusano indeed. Liar liar with his panties on fire......

Pointing out the resumes of the guys he couldn't get along with certainly helps illustrate that Vinnie's perceptions and approach to things make him the odd man out and have led to a significant rift between them. It's legitimately sad, and I'm not diagnosing anyone but I know people who have legitimate diagnoses (some medicated, some not) and they are isolated types who can come up with even the smallest reasons to "prove" people are against them and/or reasons to not do or try things. They will dissect everything in order to look for a reason to be upset, no matter how far back they have to go to find it, or how insignificant a rational person would find it.

But with Vinnie it's a little different because he does things for financial reasons, too. He's just such an interesting case study.

Ok. Fair point. He didnt get along with the members of VVI.
But he didnt get along with Paul in Kiss.
He had serious issues with Rik Fox.
The promoters in 96 in Stockholm he stiffed.
He and the New England guys in Warrior, he stiffed.
Then theres Derek Christopher, Randy, Bill Temple, his attorney at Atlanta for 20 plus years.
I mean the list just goes on and on and on.

He exausts the patience of anyone in his proximity that will initially let him away with it and he pushes that envelope further and further to see what he cant get away with and how far others will bend to him. Because of the band he used to play in for 18 months in the 80s.

He is a Diva but sadly no longer has the talent to back up such behavior. Prince he aint.

If he announces his retirement, after a disasterous comeback, its not because of the fans or his choice, hes playing it because all the offers have dried up and no professional promoter for even an Expo will waste their time with him and his obseqious rediculous diva like demands. Hes playing it like its his choice and its because of the haters..

One thing you hit the nail squarely on the head. All he has to offer is that he is indeed an interesting case study in psychologial behaviours. Nothing more.

Oh, I agree with you. My cousin is married to a woman with bi polar disorder and she can tell you a very good (in her mind) reason why absolutely everyone is awful and out to get her. Sometimes it's as absurd as "so and so got a pizza 17 years ago and didn't offer me a slice" or something like that but it's real to her.

On initial glance, some of Vinnie's complaints are like that (using the message board Tupperware Assistant thing as a means to declare the podcast guy to be unsavory) but he often uses such things for financial gain or to get out of delivering on promises, too. Pay him for a box set and then ask him where the boxset is and he has an excuse to just keep your money and give you nothing because you are a negative person who is accusing him of stiffing you, and so on. He was going to do a show that would prove to everyone that he was still a guitar god, but he's not going to do it because there are too many haters out there...ignoring the idea that he could very possibly lose money and expose his non-guitar god status if he actually goes through with it.

I don't envy the guy and his mindset, but he straddles a line between tragic figure and manipulator. His tirades and actions are an odd combination of an actual fear of being used/abused and the "look what you made me do!" sort of victim blaming.

Robert and Dana made up. They are fine now. He wasn't a fan of Dana until they met up recently.

ZachAttack wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:11 pm

EggFlip wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:35 am I know for a fact Mark and Bobby would have done a reunion show a few years before vv's come back. They held no grudges .. unfortunately vv still holds grudges against both. As for Dana he is an enigma in the fact no one seems to have a clue what he thinks

I know that Robert doesn't want to work with Dana again. He's pretty disliked throughout the music industry

ZachAttack wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:11 pm I know that Robert doesn't want to work with Dana again. He's pretty disliked throughout the music industry

Seems like Robert doesn't gig/record anymore at all. Just paints. He likes the attention from Journey/Vinnie associations but he's clearly into painting now 100%.
But who dislikes Dana now, since Robert doesn't anymore? Gotta get to the bottom of this...

stutterer wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:42 pm

ZachAttack wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:11 pm I know that Robert doesn't want to work with Dana again. He's pretty disliked throughout the music industry

Seems like Robert doesn't gig/record anymore at all. Just paints. He likes the attention from Journey/Vinnie associations but he's clearly into painting now 100%.
But who dislikes Dana now, since Robert doesn't anymore? Gotta get to the bottom of this...

I always got the impression Dana wasnt the most popular man in the business, lol

I think VV is done now.

stutterer wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:42 pm

ZachAttack wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:11 pm I know that Robert doesn't want to work with Dana again. He's pretty disliked throughout the music industry

Seems like Robert doesn't gig/record anymore at all. Just paints. He likes the attention from Journey/Vinnie associations but he's clearly into painting now 100%.
But who dislikes Dana now, since Robert doesn't anymore? Gotta get to the bottom of this...

He has a band called The Sky

EggFlip wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:27 pm Robert and Dana made up. They are fine now. He wasn't a fan of Dana until they met up recently.

ZachAttack wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:11 pm

EggFlip wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:35 am I know for a fact Mark and Bobby would have done a reunion show a few years before vv's come back. They held no grudges .. unfortunately vv still holds grudges against both. As for Dana he is an enigma in the fact no one seems to have a clue what he thinks

I know that Robert doesn't want to work with Dana again. He's pretty disliked throughout the music industry

How recently? I talked to Robert last year and he told me he would still do a VVI reunion with Vinnie and Bobby but not Dana

Does this mean his birthday party is cancelled?? No!!!!!!!!!!! No Vinnie...No!!!

After Vinnie burned Carmine Appice and Tony Franklin, I think it's pretty clear why he had to get bar band-level musicians for Speedball Jamm. I'm surprised that neither Mike Weeks nor Chuck White addressed the cancellation, or the alleged "rehearsals" they claimed to have had with Vinnie.

Nately120 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:20 pm

elleneff wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:56 am

Nately120 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:49 am

elleneff wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:05 am

Phyllis Simmons wrote: ↑Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:07 pm

ashorama wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:28 pm Mark going back to VVI would be like Paul going back to Wicked Lester.

The idea with this hypothetical is that it wouldn't be called VVI... As Mark has some clout too in this; maybe "The Vinnie Vincent/ Mark Slaughter Project" something basic?? Again it could've been a terrific thing...

As I said hypothetical - Vinnie's got grudges to hang on to; online wars to fight, these things can be very time consuming...

Ohhh Vinnie, just let all the silly pointless shit go, be positive - make every post a winner.... life's too short...

Hypothetical is one thing.

In order to present such , it kinda needs to be a rational summation.

and one of that duo suggested is neither rational nor bankable.

Its worth noting that of that VVI band, Fleishman is a successful artist , writer and singer. Strum is constantly in demand with Vince Neil and Slaughter, and production, Mark is constantly writing, recording and playing and Bobby is also a noted, highly regarded and consistantly working musician, tours, writes, author etc.
Of the band, theres only one whom there in no activity other than he playing up his own long since expired self professed "legend" yet , wont play, record, write, put on a show, just....engages a few , Ill call them challenged and clearly special individuals on social media to pass on and do his bidding.
Pinocchio Cusano indeed. Liar liar with his panties on fire......

Pointing out the resumes of the guys he couldn't get along with certainly helps illustrate that Vinnie's perceptions and approach to things make him the odd man out and have led to a significant rift between them. It's legitimately sad, and I'm not diagnosing anyone but I know people who have legitimate diagnoses (some medicated, some not) and they are isolated types who can come up with even the smallest reasons to "prove" people are against them and/or reasons to not do or try things. They will dissect everything in order to look for a reason to be upset, no matter how far back they have to go to find it, or how insignificant a rational person would find it.

But with Vinnie it's a little different because he does things for financial reasons, too. He's just such an interesting case study.

Ok. Fair point. He didnt get along with the members of VVI.
But he didnt get along with Paul in Kiss.
He had serious issues with Rik Fox.
The promoters in 96 in Stockholm he stiffed.
He and the New England guys in Warrior, he stiffed.
Then theres Derek Christopher, Randy, Bill Temple, his attorney at Atlanta for 20 plus years.
I mean the list just goes on and on and on.

He exausts the patience of anyone in his proximity that will initially let him away with it and he pushes that envelope further and further to see what he cant get away with and how far others will bend to him. Because of the band he used to play in for 18 months in the 80s.

He is a Diva but sadly no longer has the talent to back up such behavior. Prince he aint.

If he announces his retirement, after a disasterous comeback, its not because of the fans or his choice, hes playing it because all the offers have dried up and no professional promoter for even an Expo will waste their time with him and his obseqious rediculous diva like demands. Hes playing it like its his choice and its because of the haters..

One thing you hit the nail squarely on the head. All he has to offer is that he is indeed an interesting case study in psychologial behaviours. Nothing more.

Oh, I agree with you. My cousin is married to a woman with bi polar disorder and she can tell you a very good (in her mind) reason why absolutely everyone is awful and out to get her. Sometimes it's as absurd as "so and so got a pizza 17 years ago and didn't offer me a slice" or something like that but it's real to her.

On initial glance, some of Vinnie's complaints are like that (using the message board Tupperware Assistant thing as a means to declare the podcast guy to be unsavory) but he often uses such things for financial gain or to get out of delivering on promises, too. Pay him for a box set and then ask him where the boxset is and he has an excuse to just keep your money and give you nothing because you are a negative person who is accusing him of stiffing you, and so on. He was going to do a show that would prove to everyone that he was still a guitar god, but he's not going to do it because there are too many haters out there...ignoring the idea that he could very possibly lose money and expose his non-guitar god status if he actually goes through with it.

I don't envy the guy and his mindset, but he straddles a line between tragic figure and manipulator. His tirades and actions are an odd combination of an actual fear of being used/abused and the "look what you made me do!" sort of victim blaming.

Interesting. I definitely see some truth in your take there...

ZachAttack wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:52 pm He has a band called The Sky

Yes, but Sky is on hiatus at least since 2016 according to its site with last gigs listed as 5 years ago. From what I've heard on the albums, he doesn't go high at all.
He had no problem admitting he can't do it like he used to anymore, and what do you knoVV - he still released some music and played gigs with whatever he was capable of at the time!

Doose wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:39 pm I'm surprised that neither Mike Weeks nor Chuck White addressed the cancellation, or the alleged "rehearsals" they claimed to have had with Vinnie.

It can only mean one thing. Mike Weeks IS a true fan. lol
Chuch White probably just moved on from it like a working musician should.

And that voice, Mike Weeks...damn.

Robert always said the singing style with Vinnie was not his cup of tea. He never intended to sing like that on his own stuff. He just did the vvi thing to prove he could do it.

stutterer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:58 am

ZachAttack wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:52 pm He has a band called The Sky

Yes, but Sky is on hiatus at least since 2016 according to its site with last gigs listed as 5 years ago. From what I've heard on the albums, he doesn't go high at all.
He had no problem admitting he can't do it like he used to anymore, and what do you knoVV - he still released some music and played gigs with whatever he was capable of at the time!