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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by In the Suds » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:14 pm

lol @ "secretly taped" - he was mic'd up for a TV appearance. What, he didn't see them put the mic on him?

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by elleneff » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:04 am

Nellcote71 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:00 am
scotty_rhoads wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:30 pm
Nellcote71 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:57 pm
scotty_rhoads wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:52 pm
Nellcote71 wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:59 pm
Winning...



Yeah...let’s have a restaurant endorsed by a fat, blood spitting musician - people will flock to eat there...

theres hotels endorsed by a guy who said "grab em by the pussy" who also has went bankrupt 14 times
He was being secretly taped you fool - pls keep politics out of this
We’ve all said vulgar crap in private...
in private is in front of a camera?
He was being secretly taped moron - pls keep politics out of the discussion...
No he wasn't. He was mic`d prior to recording.
and at the time , he wasn't a political candidate. so this is simply a matter of record from a non political era.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by Gona » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:23 am

Somebody here still whining about Trump saying something dirty about women?
In the message forum of a band singing songs like "Lick it up", "Uh, all night", "Burn bitch burn" etc.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Go Trump go!

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by Nellcote71 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:36 am

scotty_rhoads wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:47 pm
Nellcote71 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:00 am
scotty_rhoads wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:30 pm
Nellcote71 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:57 pm
scotty_rhoads wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:52 pm
Nellcote71 wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:59 pm
Winning...



Yeah...let’s have a restaurant endorsed by a fat, blood spitting musician - people will flock to eat there...

theres hotels endorsed by a guy who said "grab em by the pussy" who also has went bankrupt 14 times
He was being secretly taped you fool - pls keep politics out of this
We’ve all said vulgar crap in private...
in private is in front of a camera?
He was being secretly taped moron - pls keep politics out of the discussion...
:lol: :lol: :lol:

you're butt hurt so bad you started calling names.


you're big mad.
Butt hurt? No...
I just thought you made a moronic comment.
A music forum is no place for politics - but if you’d like to talk about how Trump is going to obliterate the field in 2020, I’m all ears...

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by Vandelay Industries » Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:06 am

Nellcote71 wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:36 am
scotty_rhoads wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:47 pm
Nellcote71 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:00 am
scotty_rhoads wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:30 pm
Nellcote71 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:57 pm
scotty_rhoads wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:52 pm
Nellcote71 wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:59 pm
Winning...



Yeah...let’s have a restaurant endorsed by a fat, blood spitting musician - people will flock to eat there...

theres hotels endorsed by a guy who said "grab em by the pussy" who also has went bankrupt 14 times
He was being secretly taped you fool - pls keep politics out of this
We’ve all said vulgar crap in private...
in private is in front of a camera?
He was being secretly taped moron - pls keep politics out of the discussion...
:lol: :lol: :lol:

you're butt hurt so bad you started calling names.


you're big mad.
Butt hurt? No...
I just thought you made a moronic comment.
A music forum is no place for politics - but if you’d like to talk about how Trump is going to obliterate the field in 2020, I’m all ears...
I'm one of the ones who wasn't surprised he won....but given the opponent he beat, the chest-beating rings as hollow as Raiders fans shit-talking for beating the Jets.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by battra » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:15 am

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Google said what? The salary of your two made up guys in a bar? lol
The story is about the power of wealth and fame. Some here have said it’s all about the money. I believe fame is just as intoxicating.

Since my story is about two ugly Joes with average means. I figured I might as well do a moments due diligence for accuracy. I have no clue what the average salary is in the U.S..

So I looked it up. You don’t know me by now? I’m all about accuracy.
That's household, not personal, but the principal is still the same.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by battra » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:16 am

Nellcote71 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:57 pm
scotty_rhoads wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:52 pm
Nellcote71 wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:59 pm
Winning...



Yeah...let’s have a restaurant endorsed by a fat, blood spitting musician - people will flock to eat there...

theres hotels endorsed by a guy who said "grab em by the pussy" who also has went bankrupt 14 times
We’ve all said vulgar crap in private...
In private...when you're wearing a microphone...being recorded?

No, I have never said anything that stupid. :)

I can pass along my interviews to you.

And I never, ever, ever, ever bragged about sexually assaulting women.

You?

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by battra » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:18 am

In the Suds wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:14 pm
lol @ "secretly taped" - he was mic'd up for a TV appearance. What, he didn't see them put the mic on him?
It was SUPER SECRET!

What's this on my tie?

A microphone, sir.

OK. It's not on right?

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by Nellcote71 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:53 pm

battra wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:16 am
Nellcote71 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:57 pm
scotty_rhoads wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:52 pm
Nellcote71 wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:59 pm
Winning...



Yeah...let’s have a restaurant endorsed by a fat, blood spitting musician - people will flock to eat there...

theres hotels endorsed by a guy who said "grab em by the pussy" who also has went bankrupt 14 times
We’ve all said vulgar crap in private...
In private...when you're wearing a microphone...being recorded?

No, I have never said anything that stupid. :)

I can pass along my interviews to you.

And I never, ever, ever, ever bragged about sexually assaulting women.

You?
The scum that betrayed him got fired...and this “scandal” didn’t seem to hurt Trump, did it???
Ya know why??? The general public saw through this bullshit for what it was. You can continue to make mountain’s out of molehills if you like though...don’t worry - it’ll just be 4 more years or so...

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by Sverre054 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:33 pm

elleneff wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:36 am
Talktopete wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:56 pm
Nellcote71 wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:59 pm
Winning...



Yeah...let’s have a restaurant endorsed by a fat, blood spitting musician - people will flock to eat there...
That wasn't very nice. And the one near me does very well and the food is delicious. It's always busy. And.... whatever. Alice Cooper has a restaurant too. A republican, Christian who sings about necrophilia and gets his head cut off on a nightly basis, oh and his restaurant is filled with golf memorabilia. And it does good business too. I bet you eat at Toby Keith's restaurant.
Does he really? Good business?
Because Cooperstown in Phoenix closed it doors after 18 years in 2017.



https://eu.azcentral.com/story/entertai ... 791107001/

https://www.tripadvisor.ie/Restaurant_R ... izona.html

First time I ever went to PHX and was really excited to go to cooperstown. The day I flew in they suddenly closed down.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by battra » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:21 am

Nellcote71 wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:53 pm
The scum that betrayed him got fired...and this “scandal” didn’t seem to hurt Trump, did it???
Ya know why??? The general public saw through this bullshit for what it was. You can continue to make mountain’s out of molehills if you like though...don’t worry - it’ll just be 4 more years or so...
It didn't matter because people like you don't care about women.

He lustily described sexually assaulting a woman.

Billy was fired for taking part in it.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by Nellcote71 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:20 pm

battra wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:21 am
Nellcote71 wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:53 pm
The scum that betrayed him got fired...and this “scandal” didn’t seem to hurt Trump, did it???
Ya know why??? The general public saw through this bullshit for what it was. You can continue to make mountain’s out of molehills if you like though...don’t worry - it’ll just be 4 more years or so...
It didn't matter because people like you don't care about women.

He lustily described sexually assaulting a woman.

Billy was fired for taking part in it.
I felt like he was referring to groupies myself...regardless - I don’t appreciate you insinuating you know how I feel about women. You actually have no friggin clue how I feel...but back to Kiss

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by battra » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:04 pm

Nellcote71 wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:20 pm
battra wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:21 am
Nellcote71 wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:53 pm
The scum that betrayed him got fired...and this “scandal” didn’t seem to hurt Trump, did it???
Ya know why??? The general public saw through this bullshit for what it was. You can continue to make mountain’s out of molehills if you like though...don’t worry - it’ll just be 4 more years or so...
It didn't matter because people like you don't care about women.

He lustily described sexually assaulting a woman.

Billy was fired for taking part in it.
I felt like he was referring to groupies myself...regardless - I don’t appreciate you insinuating you know how I feel about women. You actually have no friggin clue how I feel...but back to Kiss
If you voted for Trump, after you heard him lustily describe pushing a woman up against a wall and kissing her without her consent, I know precisely how you feel about women.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by Nellcote71 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:17 pm

battra wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:04 pm
Nellcote71 wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:20 pm
battra wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:21 am
Nellcote71 wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:53 pm
The scum that betrayed him got fired...and this “scandal” didn’t seem to hurt Trump, did it???
Ya know why??? The general public saw through this bullshit for what it was. You can continue to make mountain’s out of molehills if you like though...don’t worry - it’ll just be 4 more years or so...
It didn't matter because people like you don't care about women.

He lustily described sexually assaulting a woman.

Billy was fired for taking part in it.
I felt like he was referring to groupies myself...regardless - I don’t appreciate you insinuating you know how I feel about women. You actually have no friggin clue how I feel...but back to Kiss
If you voted for Trump, after you heard him lustily describe pushing a woman up against a wall and kissing her without her consent, I know precisely how you feel about women.
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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by kissssman » Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:46 am

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There is one being built and scheduled to open in Oak Lawn, IL, in the suburbs south of Chicago. They say Spring of 2019 so it should be completed soon.
I'm told that this is no longer going to happen at this location and they pulled out of the development, for reasons unknown.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by elleneff » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:45 am

Rock n brews may be around much longer. G & P have distanced themselves from it for a reason.....
Aside from investor concerns.
And G& P weren’t investors. They were hired figureheads

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by Bruce » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:48 am

I've not been, as yet, and was so looking forward to feasting on a hearty beakfast, there!

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by Mr. Speedo » Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:15 pm

Gona wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:23 am
Somebody here still whining about Trump saying something dirty about women?
In the message forum of a band singing songs like "Lick it up", "Uh, all night", "Burn bitch burn" etc.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Go Trump go!
Trump is trash. No member of KISS would get my vote for President.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by John Henneberfer » Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:33 pm

Potato Salad wrote:
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Might have something to do with Gene's two separate Sexual Assault charges at two different Rock & Brews restaurants. Might not be the image the other partners wanted for their family restaurant chain.
Very, very good point. I didn't think about that. It may just be a temporary "hands off" approach (no pun intended) for a while.
In this day and age, I find it hard to believe anyone would want to associate their brand with someone like Gene Simmons. He's burned a lot of bridges with his big mouth and vile behavior towards women.
Gene's behavior and statements are the main reason people my age don't listen to KISS.
"Gene's behavior and statements are the main reason people my age don't listen to KISS.


Its a factor. That is all. Very few of the population are in to KISS.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by Gona » Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:14 pm

Mr. Speedo wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:15 pm
Gona wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:23 am
Somebody here still whining about Trump saying something dirty about women?
In the message forum of a band singing songs like "Lick it up", "Uh, all night", "Burn bitch burn" etc.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Go Trump go!
Trump is trash. No member of KISS would get my vote for President.
Trump is the man!
From KISS, Gene would be the one to get my vote.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by Rip Rokken » Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:10 pm

I’ve only been to one, in Orlando. Met a friend for lunch there named Dayyami who is a major KISS fan who goes on all the Kruises. Food was great, and bought a shirt — still one of my favorite T’s.

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Gona wrote:
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Trump is the man!
From KISS, Gene would be the one to get my vote.
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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by Fair Baseball » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:43 am

The rock n brews out here (Vacaville) is closing down Sunday. Only in business for 1 year.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by Doose » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:46 am

Fair Baseball wrote:
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The rock n brews out here (Vacaville) is closing down Sunday. Only in business for 1 year.
Apparently they just shut the one in San Bernardino, CA down too.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by Crown Royal » Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:47 pm

Hopefully the six in the Chicagoland area are still going strong

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by DJ Sterling Golden » Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:00 am

I literally just talked to someone last night who's been to a Rock x Brews.

Nope he didn't try the Purple Rain Drops.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by andreww1962 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:27 am

The concept of Gene Simmons being some sort of business genius is just bullshit. Gene is good at two things, playing in the band and pimping out the logo to anyone who wants to pay him. Virtually every business venture he's gotten in to has been a failure. I'd guess the only successful non-Kiss product he's had are the books he's written about how to be a successful businessman. Ironic eh?

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by elleneff » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:24 am

andreww1962 wrote:
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The concept of Gene Simmons being some sort of business genius is just bullshit. Gene is good at two things, playing in the band and pimping out the logo to anyone who wants to pay him. Virtually every business venture he's gotten in to has been a failure. I'd guess the only successful non-Kiss product he's had are the books he's written about how to be a successful businessman. Ironic eh?
Ding. There we are. Even his own son, Nicholas hit the nail squarely on the head.

and even the Vault. They made , what 5000 of them and only sold about 1500? Rhino will think again and clearly have. They took a bath on it. Not Gene. Vault is done.

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Post by battra » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:56 am

Crown Royal wrote:
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Hopefully the six in the Chicagoland area are still going strong
SIX? Seriously?

Are you counting the one in Suburban STL as one of those six?

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Post by battra » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:57 am

elleneff wrote:
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The concept of Gene Simmons being some sort of business genius is just bullshit. Gene is good at two things, playing in the band and pimping out the logo to anyone who wants to pay him. Virtually every business venture he's gotten in to has been a failure. I'd guess the only successful non-Kiss product he's had are the books he's written about how to be a successful businessman. Ironic eh?
Ding. There we are. Even his own son, Nicholas hit the nail squarely on the head.

and even the Vault. They made , what 5000 of them and only sold about 1500? Rhino will think again and clearly have. They took a bath on it. Not Gene. Vault is done.
You will still hear people saying he's a good businessman.

I can think of other men in America whose best move is licensing their name getting the same treatment..lol.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by nibbler1982 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:09 am

battra wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:57 am
elleneff wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:24 am
andreww1962 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:27 am
The concept of Gene Simmons being some sort of business genius is just bullshit. Gene is good at two things, playing in the band and pimping out the logo to anyone who wants to pay him. Virtually every business venture he's gotten in to has been a failure. I'd guess the only successful non-Kiss product he's had are the books he's written about how to be a successful businessman. Ironic eh?
Ding. There we are. Even his own son, Nicholas hit the nail squarely on the head.

and even the Vault. They made , what 5000 of them and only sold about 1500? Rhino will think again and clearly have. They took a bath on it. Not Gene. Vault is done.
You will still hear people saying he's a good businessman.

I can think of other men in America whose best move is licensing their name getting the same treatment..lol.
I believe Gene is the epitome of a perfect businessman. Complete and utter Teflon if you will.

Unlimited people run to him for the honor of attaching his name and likeness to a product.

Zero risk.

All reward.

From where he’s sitting it’s a consummate transaction.

The franchise I just bought into requires $300K skin in the game and $1M loan from the bank.

We should all be so lucky as Gene Simmons.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by elleneff » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:21 am

My question is. For Gene to be perceived as a good businessman, knowing he doesn’t invest his own cash. Knowing he simply lend his name out for fast, knowing he’s ghosted on albums , ghosted on his books,
How many investors got burnt by association with him or some of his Kiss endevours.
Koffee house died.
Kiss perfumes was a bomb,
Asshole tanked.
Tongue mag died.
Vault is a bomb.
LA KISS was a mess as was the series .
And so forth.

Ok Family Jewels was a great hit. But it was carefully scripted propaganda tv. Reality? Lol
That was his biggest success outside Kiss. Though people only watched because of Kiss. And his family was more likeable than him.
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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by nibbler1982 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:37 am

elleneff wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:21 am
My question is. For Gene to be perceived as a good businessman, knowing he doesn’t invest his own cash. Knowing he simply lend his name out for fast, knowing he’s ghosted on albums , ghosted on his books,
How many investors got burnt by association with him or some of his Kiss endevours.
Koffee house died.
Kiss perfumes was a bomb,
Asshole tanked.
Tongue mag died.
Vault is a bomb.
And so forth.

Ok Family Jewels was a great hit. But it was carefully scripted propaganda tv. Reality? Lol
That was his biggest success outside Kiss. Though people only watched because of Kiss. And his family was more likeable than him.
If you had the same options...

A) You can risk your own money and make money off of that investment.

or

B) All you have to do is attach your name to it and people send you checks. No risk whatsoever and all reward.

Gene chooses option B.

The first rule in business is to minimize risk. Is this not the building blocks of a good businessman?

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by Doose » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:06 am

Obviously investors are making some money, though, or they wouldn't keep investing in band-related items. I think things like the Koffeehouse and Mini-Gold were projects initiated by fans. Other things like LA KISS, Rock & Brews, etc. might have come through Epic Rights.

I don't understand Gene's speaking engagements. Why would any organization pay him $100k to speak? If it's a corporate gig, I get it. They have money to blow. If they are public events with ticket sales, like the ones in Canada are, there's no way they can make their money back.

I think the Vault made money for Rhino. I don't believe for a minute they made 5,000 units to start. I think they produce them as needed, maybe in batches of 250 or so, or maybe they did 1,000 for the tour. I can't imagine they cost more than $100-150 to produce (all inclusive of the CDs, booklet, etc.). At $2,500, even if they have expenses of $500 per unit (including manufacturing, shipping, travel, etc.), that's a $2,000 profit margin - 50% to Gene, 50% to Rhino. For every 500 sold, they're each netting $500k. Imagine how many CDs of another artist Rhino has to sell at $14.99 to net $500k.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by battra » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:10 am

nibbler1982 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:09 am
I believe Gene is the epitome of a perfect businessman. Complete and utter Teflon if you will.

Unlimited people run to him for the honor of attaching his name and likeness to a product.

Zero risk.

All reward.

From where he’s sitting it’s a consummate transaction.

The franchise I just bought into requires $300K skin in the game and $1M loan from the bank.

We should all be so lucky as Gene Simmons.
Well, at least you said businessman and not entrepreneur, but either way...

I prefer my businessmen to be smart at business...which Gene is not. When it comes to HIS business ventures, he's an abject failure. When other people pay him a commission he's a huge success.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by nibbler1982 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:14 am

Doose wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:06 am
Obviously investors are making some money, though, or they wouldn't keep investing in band-related items. I think things like the Koffeehouse and Mini-Gold were projects initiated by fans. Other things like LA KISS, Rock & Brews, etc. might have come through Epic Rights.

I don't understand Gene's speaking engagements. Why would any organization pay him $100k to speak? If it's a corporate gig, I get it. They have money to blow. If they are public events with ticket sales, like the ones in Canada are, there's no way they can make their money back.

I think the Vault made money for Rhino. I don't believe for a minute they made 5,000 units to start. I think they produce them as needed, maybe in batches of 250 or so, or maybe they did 1,000 for the tour. I can't imagine they cost more than $100-150 to produce (all inclusive of the CDs, booklet, etc.). At $2,500, even if they have expenses of $500 per unit (including manufacturing, shipping, travel, etc.), that's a $2,000 profit margin - 50% to Gene, 50% to Rhino. For every 500 sold, they're each netting $500k. Imagine how many CDs of another artist Rhino has to sell at $14.99 to net $500k.
There was no reason whatsoever to bang out 5,000 units. Especially with such a controlled environment. There was never a situation where demand was gonna exceed supply. When Vaults were booked they knew EXACTLY how many were needed.

It was a vanity endeavor that once again got Gene and KISS’ name all over the media outlets.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by nibbler1982 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:20 am

battra wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:10 am
nibbler1982 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:09 am
I believe Gene is the epitome of a perfect businessman. Complete and utter Teflon if you will.

Unlimited people run to him for the honor of attaching his name and likeness to a product.

Zero risk.

All reward.

From where he’s sitting it’s a consummate transaction.

The franchise I just bought into requires $300K skin in the game and $1M loan from the bank.

We should all be so lucky as Gene Simmons.
Well, at least you said businessman and not entrepreneur, but either way...

I prefer my businessmen to be smart at business...which Gene is not. When it comes to HIS business ventures, he's an abject failure. When other people pay him a commission he's a huge success.
Which of HIS business ventures is he an abject failure in?

When looking at the endeavors we’re privy to Gene hasn’t abjectly failed at anything. The only thing he did was collect money hand over fist.

If the people that gained Gene’s endorsement failed that’s no skin off of Gene’s apple.

It’s perfect business. How much smarter can you be?

If only I could be so fortunate.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by Arrogant » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:20 am

nibbler1982 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:37 am


If you had the same options...

A) You can risk your own money and make money off of that investment.

or

B) All you have to do is attach your name to it and people send you checks. No risk whatsoever and all reward.

Gene chooses option B.

The first rule in business is to minimize risk. Is this not the building blocks of a good businessman?
No concern about quality of products.
No concern about what/who his name is attached to as long as he profits.
Endless bragging, exaggerations, and outright lies to further his own pursuits.

Much of his alleged success is due to a gullible fanbase, not acumen or savvy.

He's Trump with (almost impossibly) worse hair.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by andreww1962 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:28 am

nibbler1982 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:20 am


Which of HIS business ventures is he an abject failure in?

When looking at the endeavors we’re privy to Gene hasn’t abjectly failed at anything. The only thing he did was collect money hand over fist.

If the people that gained Gene’s endorsement failed that’s no skin off of Gene’s apple.

It’s perfect business. How much smarter can you be?

If only I could be so fortunate.
LA KISS
IRL Marketing partnership
Moneybag clothing
Simmons records

I could go on but you get the picture. As I said before, Gene has one achievement, KISS. He has licensed the shit out of that brand, but quite frankly I don't doubt that what he has made doing that is reflected in revenue lost by the band from fans that just got sick of KISS toys, bubble gum cards, condoms and caskets.

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Re: Rock & Brews

Post by andreww1962 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:29 am

Arrogant wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:20 am
nibbler1982 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:37 am


If you had the same options...

A) You can risk your own money and make money off of that investment.

or

B) All you have to do is attach your name to it and people send you checks. No risk whatsoever and all reward.

Gene chooses option B.

The first rule in business is to minimize risk. Is this not the building blocks of a good businessman?
No concern about quality of products.
No concern about what/who his name is attached to as long as he profits.
Endless bragging, exaggerations, and outright lies to further his own pursuits.

Much of his alleged success is due to a gullible fanbase, not acumen or savvy.

He's Trump with (almost impossibly) worse hair.
Donald Trump actually gives a shit about his brand though.

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