KISS and Tell Gordon Gebert

[AMILLIONTO1]

I have been on these boards for some time, not sure if I recall the reaction that most FAQers had for this book and its author, Gordon g.g. Gebert.

Personally, I think Ace accusing him of embezzlement was awful. I mean, if someone I knew was saying bad things about me, things that were not true, I would be hurt, but if someone did it PUBLICLY, I would have to defend myself. I do believe those stories in the book, I know Ace is not perfect and I am sure his addictions played a part in it but that Computer/Jimmy story was brutal to read.

As time has gone on, most of the stories have been verified by other members and some of the stories are pretty funny.

What are the thoughts of this book? Have most people read it?

[Admin]

He didn't get sued, so that speaks volumes. Neither did Wendy. He's annoying though, hence why he was banned.

[andreww1962]

Ace Frehley was a mess for the better part of his life. What's not to believe? Heard a story recently about Ace screwing a fan out of a Cadillac. I'm a fan, but someone would have to be pretty stupid to get personally involved with that guy.

[AMILLIONTO1]

Was he on these boards???? Gordon?

I recall hearing an interview with him where he said he was going back and fourth with KISS fans, I thought he meant a Facebook group or something.

[AMILLIONTO1]

I think the Cadillac story was Jimmy, the same guy with the computer. Honestly, that was a horrible thing to read in the book.

[metaldad]

Very entertaining book

[missingdiver]

Yeah that book and Wendy’s book were hilarious and sad to read. Ace was a character for sure. Drugs and alcohol magnified it.

I believe every story in both books. Gene and Paul have even had similiar stories, so there is a theme that you hear from different people.

[Lofton23rdSt]

I just reread them. I think most of it is true. The first one is good, but goes too far sometimes. The second isn't good. It has the transcripts of interviews he did for the book and emails people sent him. There are a few new Ace stories in the second book. There are some inaccurate things in the book.

[Wiped Out 78]

Never read his book, but have interacted with him on various KISS forums. Douche.

[andreww1962]

Never read his book, but have interacted with him on various KISS forums. Douche.

Is he a douche? To tell you the truth I find a lot of Kiss fans to be douchey. Blind sheep regurgitating whatever Gene & Paul or Ace tell them. Its difficult casting negative light on the band, even if its the truth.

[elleneff]

He didn't get sued, so that speaks volumes. Neither did Wendy. He's annoying though, hence why he was banned.

This. Hes maybe a bit of a twat, a lot right and a histronic screamer but he aint a liar when it comes to Ace and Kiss and Kiss and Tell is 100%.

[Mr. Kiss]

Overall, I thought Kiss & Tell was boring. I'm not saying Gebert's stories are false. I just wonder why he didn't walk away sooner if things had gotten as bad as he claims they did.

That "friendship" likely deteriorated long before their business relationship did, in my opinion. The falling out was inevitable.

[elleneff]

Overall, I thought Kiss & Tell was boring. I'm not saying Gebert's stories are false. I just wonder why he didn't walk away sooner if things had gotten as bad as he claims they did.

That "friendship" likely deteriorated long before their business relationship did, in my opinion. The falling out was inevitable.

Sometimes like any relationship, you realise too late its very one sided in terms of take and take, but you put up with it untill you have something else or something better to go to.

Some people dont like to be on their own or cast adrift so bounce from one to the next available option.


Very easy years later to say, why did I put up with it so long and why didnt I end it sooner? Answer? you like the benefits of rock star proximity and Ace at this time? Well Its pretty clear it may have looked like a champagne lifestyle, with gigs and freelists and free gear, but its lemonade money

[stutterer]

I'd like to read these. Not sure I wanna pay top dollar for them. But what else is new.

[elleneff]

I'd like to read these. Not sure I wanna pay top dollar for them. But what else is new.

I picked up the Wendy and GG books years ago up on amazon second hand for pennies, the postage cost more tbh.

[Admin]

I recall hearing an interview with him where he said he was going back and fourth with KISS fans, I thought he meant a Facebook group or something.

Pretty much anywhere. There's some who just like to fight with him, and he sure doesn't back away from riling them up.

[elleneff]

I recall hearing an interview with him where he said he was going back and fourth with KISS fans, I thought he meant a Facebook group or something.

Pretty much anywhere. There's some who just like to fight with him, and he sure doesn't back away from riling them up.

Hes perfect for a certain kiss podcast so...cough.

[stutterer]

I picked up the Wendy and GG books years ago up on amazon second hand for pennies, the postage cost more tbh.

Yes, thought about it, but I'm overseas from amazons that carry Wendy's, so postage cost would be even higher. I like my smut fast and reasonably priced.

[Wiped Out 78]

Never read his book, but have interacted with him on various KISS forums. Douche.

Is he a douche? To tell you the truth I find a lot of Kiss fans to be douchey. Blind sheep regurgitating whatever Gene & Paul or Ace tell them. Its difficult casting negative light on the band, even if its the truth.

Okay.

He would sic his lawyer on forum admins to get the personal information of certain posters. And then harass them over the phone.

Do a lot of KISS fans do that?

[Mr. Kiss]

Overall, I thought Kiss & Tell was boring. I'm not saying Gebert's stories are false. I just wonder why he didn't walk away sooner if things had gotten as bad as he claims they did.

That "friendship" likely deteriorated long before their business relationship did, in my opinion. The falling out was inevitable.

Sometimes like any relationship, you realise too late its very one sided in terms of take and take, but you put up with it untill you have something else or something better to go to.

Some people dont like to be on their own or cast adrift so bounce from one to the next available option.


Very easy years later to say, why did I put up with it so long and why didnt I end it sooner? Answer? you like the benefits of rock star proximity and Ace at this time? Well Its pretty clear it may have looked like a champagne lifestyle, with gigs and freelists and free gear, but its lemonade money

Very true elleneff. Those are fair points.

I agree we're on the outside looking in, however, we can only judge this by what we've read. Or rather, what Gebert wrote. Fairly or unfairly.

[elleneff]

So was I . Both books came to about 3 dollars. The postage was 30.

[elleneff]

Overall, I thought Kiss & Tell was boring. I'm not saying Gebert's stories are false. I just wonder why he didn't walk away sooner if things had gotten as bad as he claims they did.

That "friendship" likely deteriorated long before their business relationship did, in my opinion. The falling out was inevitable.

Sometimes like any relationship, you realise too late its very one sided in terms of take and take, but you put up with it untill you have something else or something better to go to.

Some people dont like to be on their own or cast adrift so bounce from one to the next available option.


Very easy years later to say, why did I put up with it so long and why didnt I end it sooner? Answer? you like the benefits of rock star proximity and Ace at this time? Well Its pretty clear it may have looked like a champagne lifestyle, with gigs and freelists and free gear, but its lemonade money

Very true elleneff. Those are fair points.

I agree we're on the outside looking in, however, we can only judge this by what we've read. Or rather, what Gebert wrote. Fairly or unfairly.

The main takeaway is what Admin posted above and Iv maintained for years.
He was never sued. Because its all true. GG may well be a somewhat NPD type who (like a certain Kiss podcaster) also traces posters and threatens them by various undermining methods(I call it the attempt to be the loudest and smartest guy in a vacuum symdrome. and a Grade A asshat, but the info was spot on, he was careful about that-
and Ace during that period was also a very opportunistic and beyond hedonistic individual without morals or any remorse. If he wanted, he took, swiped or stole. and walk away leaving any issues to you) He scred over GG, he screwed over John Regan.
You know One book Id love to read over anyone else is George Sewitt. George was there years, wirh Kiss , he managed Ace, Vinnie Peter, all the horror stories and basically knows where ALL the bodies are buried. If you as a fan were really curious to know how dreadful as human beings your teen rock idols were, well, George knows.

Ill just add, Im in no way a hater, I simply see my once teen heroes as the mostly dreadful people are are unfortunatly.
If I want the illusion of greatness, Ill just pop on winterland 75 or a 77 Dallas gig.

If we want actually real decent nice people, then Its Bruce, Tommy and Eric, as they were under no illusions.
Tommy made a great comment in the latest Kiss issue of Classic Rock and I think hes right. It will only be after the bands done that fans will appreciate the tightrope hes walked in order to Kiss to continue and his contribution and often, (the interview includes a Paul hissy fit on the Kiss jet) having to know when to back away and eat shit and smile.)
and Eric lays it out, hell be happy when its done and he can walk away from ALL this.

[Holmgren]

So, can you tell us one or two of those crazy storys?
Thanks!

[elleneff]

So, can you tell us one or two of those crazy storys?
Thanks!

You asked. Don t blame me if this is deleted. Admins perogitive. Apologies if this offends some.
Well Its known that Ace is quite a partaker of extreme anal activities, large sex toys and could take Wendy moores hand and forearm. This came in useful as he could hide a LOT of bagged coke and drugs in there while on tour to avoid security and Gene and Pauls concerns of finding drugs on him. (nope they were carefully stashed IN him)

heres a review blurb.
Over the last few months we’ve been mentioning 'Into The Void... With Ace Frehley' (cover) a few times before (and already back in early 2002 we mentioned the book in our KISS Kollector magazine), but every time the publication date got pushed back. Until now, as finally Pitbull Publishing (web site) in New York (the same publisher who brought us the 'KISS & Tell' books by Gordon Gebert) put out a 'limited first edition' of Wendy Moore's 220-page 'tell-all' book. Wendy was friends with Ace (and for a while even one of his girlfriends) for about two years — starting in February of 1998 and ending in March of 2000, around the time of the KISS Farewell Tour. If you're only into the music and/or image of KISS/Ace and don't wish to discover the man behind the rock star, this book is not your cup of tea — but if you want to learn about everything and anything that goes on in the professional and especially private life of one of your idols, than this book is a must have! You'll learn more about Ace Frehley than you ever imagined or wished for.

"When she was 28 years old, Wendy Moore (now 34) ran into Ace Frehley at the Key Club on Sunset Boulevard, where Ace was with Eric Singer (at that time the drummer for ALICE COOPER). It was Ace's first night in L.A., as he had been moved out temporary to the West Coast by KISS' management because the band had to record the album that would become 'Psycho Circus' and later on they would be rehearsing for the 'Psycho Circus' tour in LA. Ace and Wendy hit it off immediately and she ended up spending the night at Ace's temporary condo in the Westview Towers in West Hollywood. Wendy ended up hanging out with Ace (who hardly did anything else than lying on bed drinking beer or using drugs with his friends) for a few days and became his cleaning lady. Although Wendy had never done any drugs and hardly drank alcohol, she was easily pursuaded by Ace to do cocaine together with him. Long story short, Wendy as quickly became addicted to cocaine as she became Ace's Personal Assistent and girlfriend.

"The only times Ace would sort of clean up his act was when his daughter Monique, who was living with her mom (who still is Ace's wife, despite all of his girlfriends) in New York, came over to visit her dad for a few days every once in a while. Ace was doing cocaine and/or pills every day, and never seemed to travel anywhere without his coke. The only 'secret' on Ace that Wendy didn't want to reveal in her book, is how/where he hides his stash of coke while traveling. But other than that, you'll find a lot of dirt on Ace (and sometimes the rest of KISS, especially Gene) in 'Into The Void... With Ace Frehley'. While reading all the — mostly drug-induced — stories, you might wonder why Wendy Moore wanted to publish these tales from the private life of both Ace and herself, and share with the readers so many details of, for instance, their sex and drug life. On the other hand, if you really want to know everything about Ace Frehley, you probably don't want to put this book down until you've finished reading it from cover to cover. Throughout the book you'll also find a lot of (black and white) photos of Ace and Wendy — at home, at parties (including Gene's birthday party in '98 ), concerts, a KISS photo shoot, in a Las Vegas casino, etc. etc. — which gives you a pretty good idea too of what goes on in the real life of Ace Frehley.

"Like the 'KISS & Tell' and 'KISS & Tell More' books, some details of Ace's private life kind of make you feel embarrassed to be even reading it (like his insecurities in regards to his love life, or worse yet his sex toys), and if not that, then you just can't help but to think of Ace as a pathetic and sad junkie most of the time. And if you weren't already feeling for Paul and Gene to had to have been involved with Ace on a professional level, you surely will understand why they don't want to be working with Ace anymore after reading 'Into The Void... With Ace Frehley' (if you weren't already convinced of that after reading 'KISS & Tell', or the books by former KISS bodyguards Andre 'the Giant' Augustine and Michael 'Starman' Francis). A lot of Ace fans blame Paul and Gene for the fact that the original band isn't together anymore, but this book is prove (once again!) that it's impossible to work with Ace for a longer period of time (if for any period of time at all). Here's a man in his late 40s (at the time the book was written, now Ace is in his early 50s of course) who can't function without drugs and spends his days/nights using cocaine, pills and beer, who can't keep a relationship (neither with his wife nor his girlfriends), who turns his (or a girlfriend's) house into an incredible mess within only a few days, who never keeps a promise, who never shows up on time, who cheats on (girl)friends or band members, etc. etc.

"After a while you start feeling sorry for all the people he cheats on and fucks with, and at the same time you can't believe how someone like Wendy Moore didn't wake up earlier instead of hanging on to him for so long during all that shit. She went out of her way to support Ace and run many errands for him, but never ever did he show any appreciation for all she did. In fact, he often gave her a hard time when he couldn't find his drugs and accused her of stealing it. From a healthy woman, she turned into a skinny, sad junkie who went from a cocaine addiction to a heroin addiction while losing a lot of friends in the process. And Ace, of course, believed he was hiding his drug abuse for the outside world but always get very nervous when he accidentally ran into Gene or Paul at a rock club where he would always be high on coke or booze.

"The book also describes how paranoid both Ace and Wendy became because of all the drugs (this book might be a good educational tool to keep children, or anybody for that matter, staying away from drugs). And in between all the drug-related stories, you'll get a bit of an impression of how things within the KISS organisation are functioning as Wendy also joined Ace sometimes when he had to actually 'work' with KISS, being it a photoshoot, recording session, tour rehearsal, concert or party. Probably more than any other KISS (related) book, 'Into The Void... With Ace Frehley' shines a light on the inner band relationships. And believe you me, it's not all gold that glitters in the flashy rock business. You might not agree with Wendy's decision to publish these tabloid like private tales in a book for the entire world to read, but once you've read the book you can only conclude that you know quite a bit more about Ace Frehley (and KISS) than you ever thought you would. And you will definately understand why Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley have such a problem working with their original Spaceman. (As for Wendy Moore, she no longer speaks to Ace but is doing well again after being admitted to a drug-rehad treatment facility thanks to Musician's Assistance Program, which, according to Wendy, is an organiziation supported and partly funded by KISS)."

[KISSFACE]

So, can you tell us one or two of those crazy storys?

Well, it opens with Ace "jokingly" waving a gun around on a plane, demanding the pilots take him to Cuba. I doubt that company ever had him back as a client again.

[mybliesad]

He gave an interview where he mentioned this site. He said he was kicked off. I could dig up the interview if anyone is really interested but I didn't find it all that interesting. He also released some sad drunk Ace in a meeting footage that's still up on youtube - no one in the room knew they were being interviewed. I admit I was curious and read the book - it's mainly Ace bashing. I don't know how much is true.

[Phyllis Simmons]

I have been on these boards for some time, not sure if I recall the reaction that most FAQers had for this book and its author, Gordon g.g. Gebert.

Personally, I think Ace accusing him of embezzlement was awful. I mean, if someone I knew was saying bad things about me, things that were not true, I would be hurt, but if someone did it PUBLICLY, I would have to defend myself. I do believe those stories in the book, I know Ace is not perfect and I am sure his addictions played a part in it but that Computer/Jimmy story was brutal to read.

As time has gone on, most of the stories have been verified by other members and some of the stories are pretty funny.

What are the thoughts of this book? Have most people read it?

Is that you Gordo' ?
Hopefully you'll play nicer this time?!

[Holmgren]

So, can you tell us one or two of those crazy storys?
Thanks!

You asked. Don t blame me if this is deleted. Admins perogitive. Apologies if this offends some.
Well Its known that Ace is quite a partaker of extreme anal activities, large sex toys and could take Wendy moores hand and forearm. This came in useful as he could hide a LOT of bagged coke and drugs in there while on tour to avoid security and Gene and Pauls concerns of finding drugs on him. (nope they were carefully stashed IN him)

heres a review blurb.
Over the last few months we’ve been mentioning 'Into The Void... With Ace Frehley' (cover) a few times before (and already back in early 2002 we mentioned the book in our KISS Kollector magazine), but every time the publication date got pushed back. Until now, as finally Pitbull Publishing (web site) in New York (the same publisher who brought us the 'KISS & Tell' books by Gordon Gebert) put out a 'limited first edition' of Wendy Moore's 220-page 'tell-all' book. Wendy was friends with Ace (and for a while even one of his girlfriends) for about two years — starting in February of 1998 and ending in March of 2000, around the time of the KISS Farewell Tour. If you're only into the music and/or image of KISS/Ace and don't wish to discover the man behind the rock star, this book is not your cup of tea — but if you want to learn about everything and anything that goes on in the professional and especially private life of one of your idols, than this book is a must have! You'll learn more about Ace Frehley than you ever imagined or wished for.

"When she was 28 years old, Wendy Moore (now 34) ran into Ace Frehley at the Key Club on Sunset Boulevard, where Ace was with Eric Singer (at that time the drummer for ALICE COOPER). It was Ace's first night in L.A., as he had been moved out temporary to the West Coast by KISS' management because the band had to record the album that would become 'Psycho Circus' and later on they would be rehearsing for the 'Psycho Circus' tour in LA. Ace and Wendy hit it off immediately and she ended up spending the night at Ace's temporary condo in the Westview Towers in West Hollywood. Wendy ended up hanging out with Ace (who hardly did anything else than lying on bed drinking beer or using drugs with his friends) for a few days and became his cleaning lady. Although Wendy had never done any drugs and hardly drank alcohol, she was easily pursuaded by Ace to do cocaine together with him. Long story short, Wendy as quickly became addicted to cocaine as she became Ace's Personal Assistent and girlfriend.

"The only times Ace would sort of clean up his act was when his daughter Monique, who was living with her mom (who still is Ace's wife, despite all of his girlfriends) in New York, came over to visit her dad for a few days every once in a while. Ace was doing cocaine and/or pills every day, and never seemed to travel anywhere without his coke. The only 'secret' on Ace that Wendy didn't want to reveal in her book, is how/where he hides his stash of coke while traveling. But other than that, you'll find a lot of dirt on Ace (and sometimes the rest of KISS, especially Gene) in 'Into The Void... With Ace Frehley'. While reading all the — mostly drug-induced — stories, you might wonder why Wendy Moore wanted to publish these tales from the private life of both Ace and herself, and share with the readers so many details of, for instance, their sex and drug life. On the other hand, if you really want to know everything about Ace Frehley, you probably don't want to put this book down until you've finished reading it from cover to cover. Throughout the book you'll also find a lot of (black and white) photos of Ace and Wendy — at home, at parties (including Gene's birthday party in '98 ), concerts, a KISS photo shoot, in a Las Vegas casino, etc. etc. — which gives you a pretty good idea too of what goes on in the real life of Ace Frehley.

"Like the 'KISS & Tell' and 'KISS & Tell More' books, some details of Ace's private life kind of make you feel embarrassed to be even reading it (like his insecurities in regards to his love life, or worse yet his sex toys), and if not that, then you just can't help but to think of Ace as a pathetic and sad junkie most of the time. And if you weren't already feeling for Paul and Gene to had to have been involved with Ace on a professional level, you surely will understand why they don't want to be working with Ace anymore after reading 'Into The Void... With Ace Frehley' (if you weren't already convinced of that after reading 'KISS & Tell', or the books by former KISS bodyguards Andre 'the Giant' Augustine and Michael 'Starman' Francis). A lot of Ace fans blame Paul and Gene for the fact that the original band isn't together anymore, but this book is prove (once again!) that it's impossible to work with Ace for a longer period of time (if for any period of time at all). Here's a man in his late 40s (at the time the book was written, now Ace is in his early 50s of course) who can't function without drugs and spends his days/nights using cocaine, pills and beer, who can't keep a relationship (neither with his wife nor his girlfriends), who turns his (or a girlfriend's) house into an incredible mess within only a few days, who never keeps a promise, who never shows up on time, who cheats on (girl)friends or band members, etc. etc.

"After a while you start feeling sorry for all the people he cheats on and fucks with, and at the same time you can't believe how someone like Wendy Moore didn't wake up earlier instead of hanging on to him for so long during all that shit. She went out of her way to support Ace and run many errands for him, but never ever did he show any appreciation for all she did. In fact, he often gave her a hard time when he couldn't find his drugs and accused her of stealing it. From a healthy woman, she turned into a skinny, sad junkie who went from a cocaine addiction to a heroin addiction while losing a lot of friends in the process. And Ace, of course, believed he was hiding his drug abuse for the outside world but always get very nervous when he accidentally ran into Gene or Paul at a rock club where he would always be high on coke or booze.

"The book also describes how paranoid both Ace and Wendy became because of all the drugs (this book might be a good educational tool to keep children, or anybody for that matter, staying away from drugs). And in between all the drug-related stories, you'll get a bit of an impression of how things within the KISS organisation are functioning as Wendy also joined Ace sometimes when he had to actually 'work' with KISS, being it a photoshoot, recording session, tour rehearsal, concert or party. Probably more than any other KISS (related) book, 'Into The Void... With Ace Frehley' shines a light on the inner band relationships. And believe you me, it's not all gold that glitters in the flashy rock business. You might not agree with Wendy's decision to publish these tabloid like private tales in a book for the entire world to read, but once you've read the book you can only conclude that you know quite a bit more about Ace Frehley (and KISS) than you ever thought you would. And you will definately understand why Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley have such a problem working with their original Spaceman. (As for Wendy Moore, she no longer speaks to Ace but is doing well again after being admitted to a drug-rehad treatment facility thanks to Musician's Assistance Program, which, according to Wendy, is an organiziation supported and partly funded by KISS)."

Ok. Well, that's enough. I don't know what to say.
That's just.. I don't know.
Thank you!
I guess.

[mybliesad]

I mainly bought the book for the pictures. He claimed to have pictures no one else had of Kiss.

[Lofton23rdSt]

Ace firing his band shows that he'd do the stuff in those books.

[soeuropean]

Was he on these boards???? Gordon?

I recall hearing an interview with him where he said he was going back and fourth with KISS fans, I thought he meant a Facebook group or something.

This was years before Facebook even existed dude. It was on the boards and especially the old Usenet groups. This is 97-98 era.

[ACESTATION]

So, can you tell us one or two of those crazy storys?
Thanks!

Ace used to urinate anywhere if he had to. One time he started pissing in the lobby of a big boxing match in Atlantic City I think and people where aghast.

Another time he went into a little dive bar (wth GG I think) and some bartender/bar owner old lady wasn't taking any shit from Ace. Ace stood on the bar and urinated all over her head. He then bought the bar in cash.
GG said he probably forgot he ever bought it.

One time Ace went through the drive-thru of McDonalds and bought fish sammiches. He got mad at the traffic in the parking lot and tried to take a short cut, got his car stuck on a cement divider. He wrecked the bottom of his car but calmly sat and ate his fish sammiches as if it was no big deal.

[soeuropean]

Neither of those stories are in KISS And Tell!

Only read the second one once decades ago and don’t own it so can’t speak to that one.

[redinthesky]

Never read his book, but have interacted with him on various KISS forums. Douche.

Is he a douche? To tell you the truth I find a lot of Kiss fans to be douchey. Blind sheep regurgitating whatever Gene & Paul or Ace tell them. Its difficult casting negative light on the band, even if its the truth.

yeah GGG is a douche, just a pathetic hangers-on gasping for relevance. Heck, I'm not even saying he's a liar - don't know, don't care - but he sure comes across as a needy, desperate little weasel.

[Forevertj]

So, can you tell us one or two of those crazy storys?
Thanks!

Ace used to urinate anywhere if he had to. One time he started pissing in the lobby of a big boxing match in Atlantic City I think and people where aghast.

Another time he went into a little dive bar (wth GG I think) and some bartender/bar owner old lady wasn't taking any shit from Ace. Ace stood on the bar and urinated all over her head. He then bought the bar in cash.
GG said he probably forgot he ever bought it.

One time Ace went through the drive-thru of McDonalds and bought fish sammiches. He got mad at the traffic in the parking lot and tried to take a short cut, got his car stuck on a cement divider. He wrecked the bottom of his car but calmly sat and ate his fish sammiches as if it was no big deal.

Thank GOD for Tommy.

[missingdiver]

I remember the story about Ace never flushing the toilet. Like he would take a huge dump and then just leave it in the bowl for all to enjoy.

Or how he referred to himself in 3rd person as “the Ace...”

One of the funniest stories i’ve heard actually came from Paul in the early 90’s...he was on rockline or some radio show and he said on Kiss’s first tour Ace ran out of alcohol and Was freaking out that he needed a drink so Paul convinced him to drink some cologne...which Ace did. Paul never said if it was old spice or brute.

[spacekace]

I also loved the story about Ace leaving a big diarrhea dump in the toilet for Gebert’s mother to find.

Another great one from KISS & TELL MORE, was related by Crazy Joe Renda, who recalled the tine when Peter once woke up to receiving a blowjob from someone he thought was a chick. But when Peter looked down to see who was blowing him, lo and behold, there was Ace looking back up at him, cackling

[soeuropean]

When that blowjob story came out the KISS Army were up in arms screaming about it, it was all lies, the book should be banned, it’s all fake rah rah rah.

Then Peter’s book came out 15 years later and had the same story in it.

Delicious.

And it was in the first one not KISS And Tell More.

[Planet Caravan]

It's true that for much of the 80s and 90s Ace was a drug addicted drunken douchebag who did some bad things.

Much of what was in the book was verified.

What has gotten GGG really offside with fans is him continuing to hound Ace 20 years later after Ace has been sober for 10 years and making up BS stories like Ace is a drug addict again and saying Ace's daughter Monique is a drug addict too.

[Thunderous_Lay]

This thread... Holy Moses...

Ignorance is bliss.

lol

[elleneff]

This thread... Holy Moses...

Ignorance is bliss.

lol

Isnt it just? LOL
Careful what you really want to know.........

[andreww1962]

Thank GOD for Tommy.

Ya, but read about some of the stuff Slash or Nikki Sixx, or Ozzy did years ago. Apparently Ace has cleaned up his act, the same as they did. Is anyone saying they wish Buckethead was still in G&R because Slash was an asshole in the 80s? I doubt it.

[Tito]

Is anyone saying they wish Buckethead was still in G&R because Slash was an asshole in the 80s? I doubt it.

[Spiritual_Chaos]

When that blowjob story came out the KISS Army were up in arms screaming about it, it was all lies, the book should be banned, it’s all fake rah rah rah.

Then Peter’s book came out 15 years later and had the same story in it.

Delicious.

And it was in the first one not KISS And Tell More.

Why would they be up in arms about it?

[elleneff]

When that blowjob story came out the KISS Army were up in arms screaming about it, it was all lies, the book should be banned, it’s all fake rah rah rah.

Then Peter’s book came out 15 years later and had the same story in it.

Delicious.

And it was in the first one not KISS And Tell More.

Why would they be up in arms about it?

Why would YOU think?

[Spiritual_Chaos]

When that blowjob story came out the KISS Army were up in arms screaming about it, it was all lies, the book should be banned, it’s all fake rah rah rah.

Then Peter’s book came out 15 years later and had the same story in it.

Delicious.

And it was in the first one not KISS And Tell More.

Why would they be up in arms about it?

Why would YOU think?

Bigotry?

[ACE FAN LI]

I read the original edition; despite the fact that I was a huge Ace fan at the time, I thoroughly enjoyed it and never doubted the authenticity of the accounts. GGG’s mistake was taking on Ace, a beloved and revered guitar-god (albeit a f-up) in the press and later social media. This was a no-win situation for him, that he seemingly pressed forward thinking he could somehow win.

[SpaceJan]

"Interesting" read:


"There is only one secret I kept out of the book; it is about Paul Stanley, which I revealed in the 2nd book. And I also chose not to disclose how Ace hides his drugs when he travels"

[StarChildBlade]

Kiss & Tell was a great book. I’ve met Gordon in person, and also have had contact with him over the internet and even exchanged phone numbers and have spoken on the phone with him.

He’s actually a really nice guy. He’s not a Kiss fan, so anyone expecting him to Kiss Ace’s ass is not going to get it.

He’s said numerous times had Ace not slandered his good name by lying to the fans and claiming GGG embezzled money from him, the book would never have come out.

Karma is a bitch.

Anyway, the book wasn’t some revelation to me...I’d already suspected that Ace and the boys had done lots of things sexual and illegal over the decades. It’s fucking rock and roll. Once upon a time, Rock was dangerous, and Kiss were no strangers to living on the edge.

[Tito]

He’s actually a really nice guy.

He was harassing KISS fans all over the internet for years unprovoked. Comment after comment about what losers people must be to be fans of Ace Frehley. It went on and on. I'd never had any kind of contact with the guy but he appeared from out of nowhere to make several negative comments on the tribute band I was in at the time's MySpace, for being fans of Ace Frehley. Not my definition of a really nice guy.