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Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:51 am I have several thoughts & questions, but I'm occupied at work, so I'll post 'em one at a time, lol...

Are the total grosses reported the "shopping cart" ticket prices, or the "checkout" prices? Might seem like a nitpicky question, but there IS a 25% difference between one and the other...

Evo999 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:31 am

Much Too Soon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:54 pm Cmon...ticket prices determine sales. Revenue pricing is a different ballgame than your average 1970s gig. The management is using pretty sophisticated computer modeling to price each seat and update it almost hourly. In essence KISS ...say for Dallas ... for example was estimated to bring in a certain range of dollars. The modeling was used to price seats properly to bring in the higher range of dollars. And it’s working. Working nationwide and looks like worldwide as well.

In other words KISS is currently making 97% of the available dollars that are estimated to be made and selling 97% of the available seats .... to reach that objective. The band is KICKING ASS.
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NEWS
APRIL 9, 2018 2:59PM ET

Taylor Swift’s Ticket Strategy: Brilliant Business or Slowing Demand?

If you went on Ticketmaster in January and pulled up a third-row seat for Taylor Swift‘s June 2nd show at Chicago’s Soldier Field, it would have cost you $995. But if you looked up the same seat three months later, the price would have been $595. That’s because Swift has adopted “dynamic pricing,” where concert tickets – like airline seats – shift prices constantly in adjusting to market demand. It’s a move intended to squeeze out the secondary-ticket market – but it’s also left many fans confused as they’re asked to pay hundreds of dollars more than face value. “Basically, Ticketmaster is operating as StubHub,” says one concert-business source.


Swift is not alone. This summer, U2, Kenny Chesney, Pink, the Eagles and Shania Twain will also embrace dynamic pricing (which Ticketmaster calls Official Platinum Seats). It’s their latest attempt to battle resellers like StubHub, the eBay-owned site, which had sales of more than $1 billion in 2016. “You
 can go and buy tickets and then put them on StubHub and speculate for three to five times their face value – [that’s] their entire industry,” says Stuart Ross of Red Light Management, which reps Dave Matthews Band, Phish and more. Doc McGhee, who manages KISS, sees why Ticketmaster needed to take action: “If somebody’s going to pay $500 for a $150 ticket, the band should receive the money.”

Not everyone agrees. Some artists, like Foo Fighters and Pearl Jam, have opted out of using the dynamic-pricing model, as have smaller, indie artists like Father John Misty. “An artist like Father John Misty is very ticket-price-conscious,” says his manager, Dan Fraser. “Just because more people are willing to pay for a ticket, he doesn’t want to [charge it] … He’ll leave money on the table.”

“The industry is adopting a new mantra,” says a concert-industry expert. “If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly.”

The program has forced promoters to rethink what a successful concert means in 2018. While Swift’s entire 2015 1989 tour sold out almost instantly, there are plenty of seats available for most of her Reputation shows. One veteran promoter says it’s selling “terribly – the worst scaling and flexible pricing I have ever seen for a stadium tour.” But others say she’s just playing a long game. “Don’t put too much emphasis on the fact she hasn’t sold out yet,” says Gary Bongiovanni, the editor-in-chief of concert trade publication Pollstar. “The industry is adopting a new mantra,” says a concert-industry expert. “If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly.” (Swift’s representative declined to comment for the story.)

But the system can be confusing for fans. In addition to dynamic-priced tickets, Swift’s tour is offering seats on an interactive map through a menagerie of dots – yellow for VIP ($500-$900), pink for approved fan resales (which can list for thousands of dollars), blue for standard face-value tickets ($50-$450). “It’s kind of complicated,” says Alex Hodges, CEO of Nederlander Concerts in Los Angeles, suggesting that the astronomical prices may cause fans to “get skittish and back off.”

But
experts see the plan as a necessary way to hold on to profits as the entire
industry goes through a sea change. “Does the airline want to sell out all
tickets and be done with that flight?” says one source. “Or do they
want to sell them at $700 and [eventually] sell every seat? It’s that kind of
situation.” Adds another expert, “[Concert tickets] just caught up to
hotels, airfares and rental cars. It’s a cultural change and an acceptance of
resellers.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... nd-630218/

This pretty well confirms everything Nibbler was saying about Ticket pricing strategies back at the start of this tour, and was mocked by some here for it.

redinthesky wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:27 am

Evo999 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:31 am

Much Too Soon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:54 pm Cmon...ticket prices determine sales. Revenue pricing is a different ballgame than your average 1970s gig. The management is using pretty sophisticated computer modeling to price each seat and update it almost hourly. In essence KISS ...say for Dallas ... for example was estimated to bring in a certain range of dollars. The modeling was used to price seats properly to bring in the higher range of dollars. And it’s working. Working nationwide and looks like worldwide as well.

In other words KISS is currently making 97% of the available dollars that are estimated to be made and selling 97% of the available seats .... to reach that objective. The band is KICKING ASS.
————————————————————————————————————-————————————————————-
NEWS
APRIL 9, 2018 2:59PM ET

Taylor Swift’s Ticket Strategy: Brilliant Business or Slowing Demand?

If you went on Ticketmaster in January and pulled up a third-row seat for Taylor Swift‘s June 2nd show at Chicago’s Soldier Field, it would have cost you $995. But if you looked up the same seat three months later, the price would have been $595. That’s because Swift has adopted “dynamic pricing,” where concert tickets – like airline seats – shift prices constantly in adjusting to market demand. It’s a move intended to squeeze out the secondary-ticket market – but it’s also left many fans confused as they’re asked to pay hundreds of dollars more than face value. “Basically, Ticketmaster is operating as StubHub,” says one concert-business source.


Swift is not alone. This summer, U2, Kenny Chesney, Pink, the Eagles and Shania Twain will also embrace dynamic pricing (which Ticketmaster calls Official Platinum Seats). It’s their latest attempt to battle resellers like StubHub, the eBay-owned site, which had sales of more than $1 billion in 2016. “You
 can go and buy tickets and then put them on StubHub and speculate for three to five times their face value – [that’s] their entire industry,” says Stuart Ross of Red Light Management, which reps Dave Matthews Band, Phish and more. Doc McGhee, who manages KISS, sees why Ticketmaster needed to take action: “If somebody’s going to pay $500 for a $150 ticket, the band should receive the money.”

Not everyone agrees. Some artists, like Foo Fighters and Pearl Jam, have opted out of using the dynamic-pricing model, as have smaller, indie artists like Father John Misty. “An artist like Father John Misty is very ticket-price-conscious,” says his manager, Dan Fraser. “Just because more people are willing to pay for a ticket, he doesn’t want to [charge it] … He’ll leave money on the table.”

“The industry is adopting a new mantra,” says a concert-industry expert. “If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly.”

The program has forced promoters to rethink what a successful concert means in 2018. While Swift’s entire 2015 1989 tour sold out almost instantly, there are plenty of seats available for most of her Reputation shows. One veteran promoter says it’s selling “terribly – the worst scaling and flexible pricing I have ever seen for a stadium tour.” But others say she’s just playing a long game. “Don’t put too much emphasis on the fact she hasn’t sold out yet,” says Gary Bongiovanni, the editor-in-chief of concert trade publication Pollstar. “The industry is adopting a new mantra,” says a concert-industry expert. “If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly.” (Swift’s representative declined to comment for the story.)

But the system can be confusing for fans. In addition to dynamic-priced tickets, Swift’s tour is offering seats on an interactive map through a menagerie of dots – yellow for VIP ($500-$900), pink for approved fan resales (which can list for thousands of dollars), blue for standard face-value tickets ($50-$450). “It’s kind of complicated,” says Alex Hodges, CEO of Nederlander Concerts in Los Angeles, suggesting that the astronomical prices may cause fans to “get skittish and back off.”

But
experts see the plan as a necessary way to hold on to profits as the entire
industry goes through a sea change. “Does the airline want to sell out all
tickets and be done with that flight?” says one source. “Or do they
want to sell them at $700 and [eventually] sell every seat? It’s that kind of
situation.” Adds another expert, “[Concert tickets] just caught up to
hotels, airfares and rental cars. It’s a cultural change and an acceptance of
resellers.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... nd-630218/

This pretty well confirms everything Nibbler was saying about Ticket pricing strategies back at the start of this tour, and was mocked by some here for it.

So, just to give one example, when I saw a person pay $250 for a formerly $750 ticket at 6:30pm the night of the Kiss Nassau Coliseum show, do you think the promoter was saying, "I'm sure glad we didn't sell that ticket for $750 when it first went on sale, because we just got $250 for it now?"

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am ... I also did some dot counting ...

Crown Royal wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:25 am

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am ... I also did some dot counting ...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!





We lost a good one

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:37 am

redinthesky wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:27 am
So, just to give one example, when I saw a person pay $250 for a formerly $750 ticket at 6:30pm the night of the Kiss Nassau Coliseum show, do you think the promoter was saying, "I'm sure glad we didn't sell that ticket for $750 when it first went on sale, because we just got $250 for it now?"

That's what I'm thinking too. It'd be one thing if a band had a Tiger Stadium 96 or MSG 96-type sellout in 45 minutes, then I can see people thinking "hmm, we probably could've charged more for those tickets"....but any other scenario, what other direction is there to go but downward?

redinthesky wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:35 am

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:37 am

redinthesky wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:27 am
So, just to give one example, when I saw a person pay $250 for a formerly $750 ticket at 6:30pm the night of the Kiss Nassau Coliseum show, do you think the promoter was saying, "I'm sure glad we didn't sell that ticket for $750 when it first went on sale, because we just got $250 for it now?"

That's what I'm thinking too. It'd be one thing if a band had a Tiger Stadium 96 or MSG 96-type sellout in 45 minutes, then I can see people thinking "hmm, we probably could've charged more for those tickets"....but any other scenario, what other direction is there to go but downward?

That quote of "If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly" is completely asinine. If you vastly overprice a ticket, it won't be sold until it goes down in price anyway and then someone buys it. Extremely popular artists like The Stones, Spice Girls, etc will sell fast, but there's always a limit to what some will spend. One can always say, "Wow those Stones $2000 seats went immediately, we should have made them $2500!" But should they have? You price what you think you can get. No mystic can say how much more any ticket could have been priced.

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am I'm conducting my own little experiment to see how much disparity there is between pre-show average ticket price vs. reported gross average ticket price. Right now, the lowest priced ticket in Charleston is $119.50 (before fees). I also did some dot counting for the first 3 rows (but only 3 rows...I bailed out from boredom after that, lol), and theres a potential for $125,000 gross, just for those 3 rows! So, when the final tally eventually gets reported, I'll be taking these things into consideration when determining how papered this show will be

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:37 am

redinthesky wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:27 am

Evo999 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:31 am

Much Too Soon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:54 pm Cmon...ticket prices determine sales. Revenue pricing is a different ballgame than your average 1970s gig. The management is using pretty sophisticated computer modeling to price each seat and update it almost hourly. In essence KISS ...say for Dallas ... for example was estimated to bring in a certain range of dollars. The modeling was used to price seats properly to bring in the higher range of dollars. And it’s working. Working nationwide and looks like worldwide as well.

In other words KISS is currently making 97% of the available dollars that are estimated to be made and selling 97% of the available seats .... to reach that objective. The band is KICKING ASS.
————————————————————————————————————-————————————————————-
NEWS
APRIL 9, 2018 2:59PM ET

Taylor Swift’s Ticket Strategy: Brilliant Business or Slowing Demand?

If you went on Ticketmaster in January and pulled up a third-row seat for Taylor Swift‘s June 2nd show at Chicago’s Soldier Field, it would have cost you $995. But if you looked up the same seat three months later, the price would have been $595. That’s because Swift has adopted “dynamic pricing,” where concert tickets – like airline seats – shift prices constantly in adjusting to market demand. It’s a move intended to squeeze out the secondary-ticket market – but it’s also left many fans confused as they’re asked to pay hundreds of dollars more than face value. “Basically, Ticketmaster is operating as StubHub,” says one concert-business source.


Swift is not alone. This summer, U2, Kenny Chesney, Pink, the Eagles and Shania Twain will also embrace dynamic pricing (which Ticketmaster calls Official Platinum Seats). It’s their latest attempt to battle resellers like StubHub, the eBay-owned site, which had sales of more than $1 billion in 2016. “You
 can go and buy tickets and then put them on StubHub and speculate for three to five times their face value – [that’s] their entire industry,” says Stuart Ross of Red Light Management, which reps Dave Matthews Band, Phish and more. Doc McGhee, who manages KISS, sees why Ticketmaster needed to take action: “If somebody’s going to pay $500 for a $150 ticket, the band should receive the money.”

Not everyone agrees. Some artists, like Foo Fighters and Pearl Jam, have opted out of using the dynamic-pricing model, as have smaller, indie artists like Father John Misty. “An artist like Father John Misty is very ticket-price-conscious,” says his manager, Dan Fraser. “Just because more people are willing to pay for a ticket, he doesn’t want to [charge it] … He’ll leave money on the table.”

“The industry is adopting a new mantra,” says a concert-industry expert. “If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly.”

The program has forced promoters to rethink what a successful concert means in 2018. While Swift’s entire 2015 1989 tour sold out almost instantly, there are plenty of seats available for most of her Reputation shows. One veteran promoter says it’s selling “terribly – the worst scaling and flexible pricing I have ever seen for a stadium tour.” But others say she’s just playing a long game. “Don’t put too much emphasis on the fact she hasn’t sold out yet,” says Gary Bongiovanni, the editor-in-chief of concert trade publication Pollstar. “The industry is adopting a new mantra,” says a concert-industry expert. “If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly.” (Swift’s representative declined to comment for the story.)

But the system can be confusing for fans. In addition to dynamic-priced tickets, Swift’s tour is offering seats on an interactive map through a menagerie of dots – yellow for VIP ($500-$900), pink for approved fan resales (which can list for thousands of dollars), blue for standard face-value tickets ($50-$450). “It’s kind of complicated,” says Alex Hodges, CEO of Nederlander Concerts in Los Angeles, suggesting that the astronomical prices may cause fans to “get skittish and back off.”

But
experts see the plan as a necessary way to hold on to profits as the entire
industry goes through a sea change. “Does the airline want to sell out all
tickets and be done with that flight?” says one source. “Or do they
want to sell them at $700 and [eventually] sell every seat? It’s that kind of
situation.” Adds another expert, “[Concert tickets] just caught up to
hotels, airfares and rental cars. It’s a cultural change and an acceptance of
resellers.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... nd-630218/

This pretty well confirms everything Nibbler was saying about Ticket pricing strategies back at the start of this tour, and was mocked by some here for it.

So, just to give one example, when I saw a person pay $250 for a formerly $750 ticket at 6:30pm the night of the Kiss Nassau Coliseum show, do you think the promoter was saying, "I'm sure glad we didn't sell that ticket for $750 when it first went on sale, because we just got $250 for it now?"

That's what I'm thinking too. It'd be one thing if a band had a Tiger Stadium 96 or MSG 96-type sellout in 45 minutes, then I can see people thinking "hmm, we probably could've charged more for those tickets"....but any other scenario, what other direction is there to go but downward?

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:44 am

redinthesky wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:35 am

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:37 am

redinthesky wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:27 am
So, just to give one example, when I saw a person pay $250 for a formerly $750 ticket at 6:30pm the night of the Kiss Nassau Coliseum show, do you think the promoter was saying, "I'm sure glad we didn't sell that ticket for $750 when it first went on sale, because we just got $250 for it now?"

That's what I'm thinking too. It'd be one thing if a band had a Tiger Stadium 96 or MSG 96-type sellout in 45 minutes, then I can see people thinking "hmm, we probably could've charged more for those tickets"....but any other scenario, what other direction is there to go but downward?

That quote of "If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly" is completely asinine. If you vastly overprice a ticket, it won't be sold until it goes down in price anyway and then someone buys it. Extremely popular artists like The Stones, Spice Girls, etc will sell fast, but there's always a limit to what some will spend. One can always say, "Wow those Stones $2000 seats went immediately, we should have made them $2500!" But should they have? You price what you think you can get. No mystic can say how much more any ticket could have been priced.

Agreed. That quote just sounds like a lame attempt at spin doctoring to me. A "concert industry expert" (anonymous, no less) taking up for the concert industry? Shocking!!! I guess it worked on at least one poster here, so mission accomplished lol...

nibbler1982 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:33 pm There are none so blind as those that will not see.

Evo999 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:31 am

Much Too Soon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:54 pm Cmon...ticket prices determine sales. Revenue pricing is a different ballgame than your average 1970s gig. The management is using pretty sophisticated computer modeling to price each seat and update it almost hourly. In essence KISS ...say for Dallas ... for example was estimated to bring in a certain range of dollars. The modeling was used to price seats properly to bring in the higher range of dollars. And it’s working. Working nationwide and looks like worldwide as well.

In other words KISS is currently making 97% of the available dollars that are estimated to be made and selling 97% of the available seats .... to reach that objective. The band is KICKING ASS.
————————————————————————————————————-————————————————————-
NEWS
APRIL 9, 2018 2:59PM ET

Taylor Swift’s Ticket Strategy: Brilliant Business or Slowing Demand?

If you went on Ticketmaster in January and pulled up a third-row seat for Taylor Swift‘s June 2nd show at Chicago’s Soldier Field, it would have cost you $995. But if you looked up the same seat three months later, the price would have been $595. That’s because Swift has adopted “dynamic pricing,” where concert tickets – like airline seats – shift prices constantly in adjusting to market demand. It’s a move intended to squeeze out the secondary-ticket market – but it’s also left many fans confused as they’re asked to pay hundreds of dollars more than face value. “Basically, Ticketmaster is operating as StubHub,” says one concert-business source.


Swift is not alone. This summer, U2, Kenny Chesney, Pink, the Eagles and Shania Twain will also embrace dynamic pricing (which Ticketmaster calls Official Platinum Seats). It’s their latest attempt to battle resellers like StubHub, the eBay-owned site, which had sales of more than $1 billion in 2016. “You
 can go and buy tickets and then put them on StubHub and speculate for three to five times their face value – [that’s] their entire industry,” says Stuart Ross of Red Light Management, which reps Dave Matthews Band, Phish and more. Doc McGhee, who manages KISS, sees why Ticketmaster needed to take action: “If somebody’s going to pay $500 for a $150 ticket, the band should receive the money.”

Not everyone agrees. Some artists, like Foo Fighters and Pearl Jam, have opted out of using the dynamic-pricing model, as have smaller, indie artists like Father John Misty. “An artist like Father John Misty is very ticket-price-conscious,” says his manager, Dan Fraser. “Just because more people are willing to pay for a ticket, he doesn’t want to [charge it] … He’ll leave money on the table.”

“The industry is adopting a new mantra,” says a concert-industry expert. “If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly.”

The program has forced promoters to rethink what a successful concert means in 2018. While Swift’s entire 2015 1989 tour sold out almost instantly, there are plenty of seats available for most of her Reputation shows. One veteran promoter says it’s selling “terribly – the worst scaling and flexible pricing I have ever seen for a stadium tour.” But others say she’s just playing a long game. “Don’t put too much emphasis on the fact she hasn’t sold out yet,” says Gary Bongiovanni, the editor-in-chief of concert trade publication Pollstar. “The industry is adopting a new mantra,” says a concert-industry expert. “If you sell out quickly, you didn’t price tickets properly.” (Swift’s representative declined to comment for the story.)

But the system can be confusing for fans. In addition to dynamic-priced tickets, Swift’s tour is offering seats on an interactive map through a menagerie of dots – yellow for VIP ($500-$900), pink for approved fan resales (which can list for thousands of dollars), blue for standard face-value tickets ($50-$450). “It’s kind of complicated,” says Alex Hodges, CEO of Nederlander Concerts in Los Angeles, suggesting that the astronomical prices may cause fans to “get skittish and back off.”

But
experts see the plan as a necessary way to hold on to profits as the entire
industry goes through a sea change. “Does the airline want to sell out all
tickets and be done with that flight?” says one source. “Or do they
want to sell them at $700 and [eventually] sell every seat? It’s that kind of
situation.” Adds another expert, “[Concert tickets] just caught up to
hotels, airfares and rental cars. It’s a cultural change and an acceptance of
resellers.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... nd-630218/

This pretty well confirms everything Nibbler was saying about Ticket pricing strategies back at the start of this tour, and was mocked by some here for it.

Evo999 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:31 am This pretty well confirms everything Nibbler was saying about Ticket pricing strategies back at the start of this tour, and was mocked by some here for it.

redinthesky wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:27 am
So, just to give one example, when I saw a person pay $250 for a formerly $750 ticket at 6:30pm the night of the Kiss Nassau Coliseum show, do you think the promoter was saying, "I'm sure glad we didn't sell that ticket for $750 when it first went on sale, because we just got $250 for it now?"

nibbler1982 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:09 pm

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am I'm conducting my own little experiment to see how much disparity there is between pre-show average ticket price vs. reported gross average ticket price. Right now, the lowest priced ticket in Charleston is $119.50 (before fees). I also did some dot counting for the first 3 rows (but only 3 rows...I bailed out from boredom after that, lol), and theres a potential for $125,000 gross, just for those 3 rows! So, when the final tally eventually gets reported, I'll be taking these things into consideration when determining how papered this show will be

It’s a potential $108,000...but like you said in another post, you should leave it to the experts.

That is if all those seats were made available to the public. More than likely there are some high end comps in there too.

Also factor in the $59.50, $74.50, and $94.50 seats that are under the $119.50 tickets you already mentioned. Speaking of factoring in...

How the heck are you gonna come up with a “pre-show average ticket price”?

How are you gonna figure out how many tickets there are in each price tier?

I study pre show sales pretty vigorously. I’m extremely intrigued to your methods and ultimately what number you’re finally gonna arrive upon for Charleston’s pre show average.

Keep us posted.

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:31 am

nibbler1982 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:09 pm

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am I'm conducting my own little experiment to see how much disparity there is between pre-show average ticket price vs. reported gross average ticket price. Right now, the lowest priced ticket in Charleston is $119.50 (before fees). I also did some dot counting for the first 3 rows (but only 3 rows...I bailed out from boredom after that, lol), and theres a potential for $125,000 gross, just for those 3 rows! So, when the final tally eventually gets reported, I'll be taking these things into consideration when determining how papered this show will be

It’s a potential $108,000...but like you said in another post, you should leave it to the experts.

That is if all those seats were made available to the public. More than likely there are some high end comps in there too.

Also factor in the $59.50, $74.50, and $94.50 seats that are under the $119.50 tickets you already mentioned. Speaking of factoring in...

How the heck are you gonna come up with a “pre-show average ticket price”?

How are you gonna figure out how many tickets there are in each price tier?

I study pre show sales pretty vigorously. I’m extremely intrigued to your methods and ultimately what number you’re finally gonna arrive upon for Charleston’s pre show average.

Keep us posted.

First, I'm not really gonna do a deep dive into any show, much less Charleston. I was just gonna multiply the number of tickets sold by $119.50, and hazard a guess that figure will be in the neighborhood of the actual gross, all those $200-1000 premium seat sales notwithstanding.

Second, "dynamic pricing" is just a fancier way to say "legalized scalping", so no shit that Kiss, or any band participating, will see an increase in ticket revenue. The fact tho, that anyone outside of the industry would actually be clinking champagne glasses over it, well that's quite the head-scratcher.

And you come up with "pre show avg ticket price" by simply taking a look at all the price tiers per section shortly after tix go on sale, assume the promoter will be successful in extracting every nickel out of those amounts, then do the math. At the end of the day, it's just like, well, counting dots. We both know it could be done, but only one of us have the time for it...

Evo999 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:51 am Yeah, I don't like it. I get it that they are trying to squeeze out the scalpers but they really kick the long time fans who want to get good seats early.

Digital/tech is great but it's screwing up many aspects of the music business. I'm not clinking glasses over it, but Nibbs was called out for suggesting it, and it turns out, he was right.

Phyllis Simmons wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:56 pm

Evo999 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:51 am Yeah, I don't like it. I get it that they are trying to squeeze out the scalpers but they really kick the long time fans who want to get good seats early.

Digital/tech is great but it's screwing up many aspects of the music business. I'm not clinking glasses over it, but Nibbs was called out for suggesting it, and it turns out, he was right.

I dont find a lot of this all that interesting as a subject; the new concert game and all.. But the notion of the fleecing of the earlybirds is pretty disgraceful. at its core..
5 sitting in a row coughed up their $750, and the next group of 5 next to them waited and coughed up their $250 for the exact same seats. Not sure how long people will be prepared to put up with that model... But like a lot of things in the current concert game, nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care..

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am I'm conducting my own little experiment to see how much disparity there is between pre-show average ticket price vs. reported gross average ticket price. Right now, the lowest priced ticket in Charleston is $119.50 (before fees). I also did some dot counting for the first 3 rows (but only 3 rows...I bailed out from boredom after that, lol), and theres a potential for $125,000 gross, just for those 3 rows! So, when the final tally eventually gets reported, I'll be taking these things into consideration when determining how papered this show will be

Phyllis Simmons wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:56 pm

Evo999 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:51 am Yeah, I don't like it. I get it that they are trying to squeeze out the scalpers but they really kick the long time fans who want to get good seats early.

Digital/tech is great but it's screwing up many aspects of the music business. I'm not clinking glasses over it, but Nibbs was called out for suggesting it, and it turns out, he was right.

I dont find a lot of this all that interesting as a subject; the new concert game and all.. But the notion of the fleecing of the earlybirds is pretty disgraceful. at its core..
5 sitting in a row coughed up their $750, and the next group of 5 next to them waited and coughed up their $250 for the exact same seats. Not sure how long people will be prepared to put up with that model... But like a lot of things in the current concert game, nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care..

KF73 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:06 pm

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am I'm conducting my own little experiment to see how much disparity there is between pre-show average ticket price vs. reported gross average ticket price. Right now, the lowest priced ticket in Charleston is $119.50 (before fees). I also did some dot counting for the first 3 rows (but only 3 rows...I bailed out from boredom after that, lol), and theres a potential for $125,000 gross, just for those 3 rows! So, when the final tally eventually gets reported, I'll be taking these things into consideration when determining how papered this show will be

Charleston is actually selling relatively well compared to some the dogs of the 2nd US leg. I imagine once the inevitable prices drops come closer to show time the floor seats will disappear and that place looks full. We'll be their regardless (coming up from FL).

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:04 pm For many folks who don't comb through message boards and music sites, I honestly think they haven't caught on to the legalized scalping (let's call it what it is) model yet, thinking the day 1 prices are set in stone. Once everyone catches on and is brought up to speed, it'll be interesting to see how the game is played. I don't even bother checking for tickets anymore til the last minute, unless it's an act that doesn't participate in price gouging...those are usually the tougher tickets to get, because they DO reward the early birds.

KF73 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:06 pm

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am I'm conducting my own little experiment to see how much disparity there is between pre-show average ticket price vs. reported gross average ticket price. Right now, the lowest priced ticket in Charleston is $119.50 (before fees). I also did some dot counting for the first 3 rows (but only 3 rows...I bailed out from boredom after that, lol), and theres a potential for $125,000 gross, just for those 3 rows! So, when the final tally eventually gets reported, I'll be taking these things into consideration when determining how papered this show will be

Charleston is actually selling relatively well compared to some the dogs of the 2nd US leg. I imagine once the inevitable prices drops come closer to show time the floor seats will disappear and that place looks full. We'll be their regardless (coming up from FL).

BlackDiamond67 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:11 pm

KF73 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:06 pm

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am I'm conducting my own little experiment to see how much disparity there is between pre-show average ticket price vs. reported gross average ticket price. Right now, the lowest priced ticket in Charleston is $119.50 (before fees). I also did some dot counting for the first 3 rows (but only 3 rows...I bailed out from boredom after that, lol), and theres a potential for $125,000 gross, just for those 3 rows! So, when the final tally eventually gets reported, I'll be taking these things into consideration when determining how papered this show will be

Charleston is actually selling relatively well compared to some the dogs of the 2nd US leg. I imagine once the inevitable prices drops come closer to show time the floor seats will disappear and that place looks full. We'll be their regardless (coming up from FL).

I’m front row in Charleston (and Charlotte and Virginia Beach).
Can’t wait!

BeholderFan wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:46 pm I personally think "dynamic pricing" or whatever is a bunch of garbage. Look, I GET why artists do it, but it is so anti-consumer. Like someone here said, it punishes the early birds who want to get good seats. What happens later when someone waits until maybe the day of the show, or whatever, and buys a ticket in the SAME ROW for way less, because Ticketmaster wants to sell it just to sell it? I just don't think that is fair at all to the early bird fan who originally purchased the higher price. You know. like the person who talked about the $750 KISS ticket being sold for $250 on the day of the show. I would feel ripped off if I had a $750 dollar seat, and I had found out that a person in the SAME ROW and SAME SECTION paid just $250 bucks. I would have wondered why I had to pay an extra $500 bucks more?

BeholderFan wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:46 pm I personally think "dynamic pricing" or whatever is a bunch of garbage. Look, I GET why artists do it, but it is so anti-consumer. Like someone here said, it punishes the early birds who want to get good seats. What happens later when someone waits until maybe the day of the show, or whatever, and buys a ticket in the SAME ROW for way less, because Ticketmaster wants to sell it just to sell it? I just don't think that is fair at all to the early bird fan who originally purchased the higher price. You know. like the person who talked about the $750 KISS ticket being sold for $250 on the day of the show. I would feel ripped off if I had a $750 dollar seat, and I had found out that a person in the SAME ROW and SAME SECTION paid just $250 bucks. I would have wondered why I had to pay an extra $500 bucks more?

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:01 am First: Gun at their back? Shit, the Much Too Soons of the board wouldn't need a gun to their back, they'd happily pay more if they could....y'know, to help with all the "winning" they crow about

Second: Also, it's pretty obvious the Much Too Soons of the board are great at talking the talk, but not so much at walking the walk. Bullshit that you don't read anything by the users you'd supposedly blocked...and the more you continue to keep claiming otherwise, the more you come off as a wishy-washy dolt.

Wichita77 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:30 am Personally, I wouldn't be the least bit upset if I paid $500 for a seat and found out that the person next to me paid way less on the day of. They took a chance hoping they'd get a good ticket, and it paid off! Good for them. I decided not to risk it, and knew I'd get a good ticket. Good for me.

Before dynamic pricing, I could never get a good seat by the luck of the draw. To get close I was always paying a scalper... today that scalper just happens to be Ticketmaster instead of that guy outside the venue with a handful of tickets.

Hmmm.... I wonder if that guy worked for Ticketmaster...

Wichita77 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:30 am Personally, I wouldn't be the least bit upset if I paid $500 for a seat and found out that the person next to me paid way less on the day of. They took a chance hoping they'd get a good ticket, and it paid off! Good for them. I decided not to risk it, and knew I'd get a good ticket. Good for me.

Before dynamic pricing, I could never get a good seat by the luck of the draw. To get close I was always paying a scalper... today that scalper just happens to be Ticketmaster instead of that guy outside the venue with a handful of tickets.

Hmmm.... I wonder if that guy worked for Ticketmaster...

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:25 am Yes, good ol supply and demand pricing out the people who are supposed to be the lifeblood of the concert biz, the 15-25 crowd. Once these dinosaur acts are extinct, and the people on the back 9 of their lives turn their backs from attending any more shows, I suppose Ticketmaster (and those complicit) will finally come to a realization why younger people don't GAF about music like the older generations do. Glad I was born at the right time to catch great shows without spending an arm and a leg, but still young enough to watch it all go to shit first-hand....

Wichita77 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:39 am

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:25 am Yes, good ol supply and demand pricing out the people who are supposed to be the lifeblood of the concert biz, the 15-25 crowd. Once these dinosaur acts are extinct, and the people on the back 9 of their lives turn their backs from attending any more shows, I suppose Ticketmaster (and those complicit) will finally come to a realization why younger people don't GAF about music like the older generations do. Glad I was born at the right time to catch great shows without spending an arm and a leg, but still young enough to watch it all go to shit first-hand....

I am glad I lived in the days when tickets were cheap and where you sat/stood depended on how early you showed up in line to wait. I have been in the very front of a Van Halen show back in the day, Sabbath with Dio, Alice Cooper, Metallica, and many others, all after waiting all day to get in. (Sadly circumstances prevented me from showing up early at those early KISS shows.)

At my age though, I am glad now that I can pay for the seat I want, show up whenever I want, and not get shoved around in the mosh pit anymore.

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:42 am

Wichita77 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:39 am

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:25 am Yes, good ol supply and demand pricing out the people who are supposed to be the lifeblood of the concert biz, the 15-25 crowd. Once these dinosaur acts are extinct, and the people on the back 9 of their lives turn their backs from attending any more shows, I suppose Ticketmaster (and those complicit) will finally come to a realization why younger people don't GAF about music like the older generations do. Glad I was born at the right time to catch great shows without spending an arm and a leg, but still young enough to watch it all go to shit first-hand....

I am glad I lived in the days when tickets were cheap and where you sat/stood depended on how early you showed up in line to wait. I have been in the very front of a Van Halen show back in the day, Sabbath with Dio, Alice Cooper, Metallica, and many others, all after waiting all day to get in. (Sadly circumstances prevented me from showing up early at those early KISS shows.)

At my age though, I am glad now that I can pay for the seat I want, show up whenever I want, and not get shoved around in the mosh pit anymore.

Seriously, more power to ya, but I can't justify paying $750 for anything lasting only a few hours, regardless of what my personal income is, with the possible exception of surgery

Much Too Soon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:43 pm Anyone that has purchased a KISS EOTR ticket with a gun at their back... please speak up.

Anyone......

nibbler1982 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:17 pm

kissthat wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:11 pm Julian, maybe post a locked/pinned thread that only you access to post boxscores for number junkies ?

http://www.kissendoftheroad.com/2019/2019.php

CStomp1 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:22 am

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:42 am

Wichita77 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:39 am

Vandelay Industries wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:25 am Yes, good ol supply and demand pricing out the people who are supposed to be the lifeblood of the concert biz, the 15-25 crowd. Once these dinosaur acts are extinct, and the people on the back 9 of their lives turn their backs from attending any more shows, I suppose Ticketmaster (and those complicit) will finally come to a realization why younger people don't GAF about music like the older generations do. Glad I was born at the right time to catch great shows without spending an arm and a leg, but still young enough to watch it all go to shit first-hand....

I am glad I lived in the days when tickets were cheap and where you sat/stood depended on how early you showed up in line to wait. I have been in the very front of a Van Halen show back in the day, Sabbath with Dio, Alice Cooper, Metallica, and many others, all after waiting all day to get in. (Sadly circumstances prevented me from showing up early at those early KISS shows.)

At my age though, I am glad now that I can pay for the seat I want, show up whenever I want, and not get shoved around in the mosh pit anymore.

Seriously, more power to ya, but I can't justify paying $750 for anything lasting only a few hours, regardless of what my personal income is, with the possible exception of surgery

And it better be a damn good surgery at that! Maybe including a meet and greet with the doctor.

I'm with you - not spending $750 for anything as fleeting as a concert or sports event, but more power to those who would do so.

Evo999 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:09 pm What it comes down to is some people would get the best seats by camping out and get in line before they went on sale.