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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by iceman500 » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:58 am

If u go over to ultimate-guitar.com and look in the news section they are showing kiss box scores and metallica box scores. Hard to believe kiss and metallica are doing almost the same numbers right now.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Evo999 » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:21 am

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Boom!

Nationwide Arena, Columbus, OH
Reported audience: 14,241 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,848,999

United Center, Chicago
Reported audience: 13,917 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,769,254

Wells Fargo Center, Philadelphia, PA
Reported audience: 14,530 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,586,959

TD Garden, Boston, MA
Reported audience: 16,843 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,569,324

PPG Paints Arena, Pittsburgh, PA
Reported audience: 13,486 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,560,111

Little Caesars Arena, Detroit, MI
Reported audience: 13,159 / 13,791 (95.42%)
Reported gross: $1,558,645

KFC Yum! Center Louisville, KY
Reported audience: 14,638 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,444,057

Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
Reported audience: 10,368 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,432,295

Target Center, Minneapolis, MN
Reported audience: 11,020 / 11,321 (97.34%)
Reported gross: $1,405,117

Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse, Cleveland, OH
Reported audience: 12,307 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,404,793
Some people are nitpicking Paul saying "it's a sold out tour". I guess "almost sold out" would be acceptable? Jeezez.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by nibbler1982 » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:47 am

Evo999 wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:21 am
Admin wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:22 am
Boom!

Nationwide Arena, Columbus, OH
Reported audience: 14,241 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,848,999

United Center, Chicago
Reported audience: 13,917 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,769,254

Wells Fargo Center, Philadelphia, PA
Reported audience: 14,530 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,586,959

TD Garden, Boston, MA
Reported audience: 16,843 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,569,324

PPG Paints Arena, Pittsburgh, PA
Reported audience: 13,486 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,560,111

Little Caesars Arena, Detroit, MI
Reported audience: 13,159 / 13,791 (95.42%)
Reported gross: $1,558,645

KFC Yum! Center Louisville, KY
Reported audience: 14,638 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,444,057

Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
Reported audience: 10,368 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,432,295

Target Center, Minneapolis, MN
Reported audience: 11,020 / 11,321 (97.34%)
Reported gross: $1,405,117

Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse, Cleveland, OH
Reported audience: 12,307 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,404,793
Some people are nitpicking Paul saying "it's a sold out tour". I guess "almost sold out" would be acceptable? Jeezez.
The current sales percentage stands at 98.27%

I don’t feel too sorry for ‘em. :D

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Thunderous_Lay » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:32 pm

The percentage could sit at 99.99% and still, you'd have the usual suspects claiming it's not a "sold out tour".

There must be an appeal to playing the jilted lover but alas, it eludes me...

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

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Today's Billboard...

KISS - State Farm Arena, Atlanta, Ga
Reported audience: 6,945 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,324,454

This was previously reported by Pollstar with a sold-out audience of 11,357. The Billboard numbers would equate a PPT of $190, which even by this tour's standards seems excessive.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by star_paul12 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:22 am

It’s wild to me that on a tour with so many sell outs the one city where you’d think that would be a given (Detroit) was, in fact, not a sellout. It makes no sense to me.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by redinthesky » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:48 am

Thunderous_Lay wrote:
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The percentage could sit at 99.99% and still, you'd have the usual suspects claiming it's not a "sold out tour".

There must be an appeal to playing the jilted lover but alas, it eludes me...
Because 99.99% sold isn't "sold-out." Only 100% sold is "sold-out."

Kiss is doing fantastic biz on the tour so far, and they are to be applauded to that to no end. But does that mean we change definitions now? You know what, if Kiss played a place with 25,000 seats for sale, and they sold every single one of them except one - guess what? That's not a sell-out. It'd be super-spectacular, absolutely fantastic, but it would not be a sell-out. That's just the reality, is it that big a deal? If Kiss plays an arena and there's 100 seats remaining, does that really light up insecurities where one has to lie and say "sell-out" when it wasn't, even though they sold almost an entire arena's worth of tix?

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Thunderous_Lay » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:00 am

redinthesky wrote:
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* snip *
As I said earlier, there must be an appeal to playing the jilted lover...

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by redinthesky » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:06 am

Thunderous_Lay wrote:
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* snip *
As I said earlier, there must be an appeal to playing the jilted lover...
Jilted? I complimented Kiss and gave them major props. You actually sound like the jilted one because you can't accept what "sold-out" actually means.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Crown Royal » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:13 am

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It’s wild to me that on a tour with so many sell outs the one city where you’d think that would be a given (Detroit) was, in fact, not a sellout. It makes no sense to me.
I said the same thing. They did great business on leg one of EOTR, Detroit is about the only head-scratcher.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Crown Royal » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:15 am

Admin wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:11 am
Today's Billboard...

KISS - State Farm Arena, Atlanta, Ga
Reported audience: 6,945 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,324,454

This was previously reported by Pollstar with a sold-out audience of 11,357. The Billboard numbers would equate a PPT of $190, which even by this tour's standards seems excessive.
State Farm Arena holds 21,000 people for sporting events. Obviously this does not mean it will hold that for a concert, but 6900+ seems pretty low for a sell out.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Thunderous_Lay » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:16 am

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Jilted? I complimented Kiss and gave them major props. You actually sound like the jilted one because you can't accept what "sold-out" actually means.
Faux praise you mean and as I said on occasion, in the end, it makes no difference whatsoever.

Again, my fandom is not predicated on numbers, stellar or otherwise.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by redinthesky » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:17 am

Crown Royal wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:13 am
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Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:22 am
It’s wild to me that on a tour with so many sell outs the one city where you’d think that would be a given (Detroit) was, in fact, not a sellout. It makes no sense to me.
I said the same thing. They did great business on leg one of EOTR, Detroit is about the only head-scratcher.
Absolutely, Kiss especially in certain arenas have done absolutely phenomenal biz on the first leg. They deserve every accolade.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

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Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:16 am
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Jilted? I complimented Kiss and gave them major props. You actually sound like the jilted one because you can't accept what "sold-out" actually means.
Faux praise you mean and as I said on occasion, in the end, it makes no difference whatsoever.

Again, my fandom is not predicated on numbers, stellar or otherwise.
So now you're a supposed mind-reader? I've given Kiss various props all along the first leg of the tour, especially for being road warriors and cramming so many shows in relatively little time. No secret I'm not a fan of this lineup, or the lip-syncing. But can't deny Gene and Paul have blown up their show and their ticket sales so far have been pretty darn good.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by nibbler1982 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:26 pm

Admin wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:11 am
Today's Billboard...

KISS - State Farm Arena, Atlanta, Ga
Reported audience: 6,945 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,324,454

This was previously reported by Pollstar with a sold-out audience of 11,357. The Billboard numbers would equate a PPT of $190, which even by this tour's standards seems excessive.
It’s obliviously a typo. Like you’ve pointed out, the tell tale sign is the outlandish $190 ticket average that raises the flag. Billboard gets it wrong sometimes too. I’m guessing it’s purely a clerical error. Someone put the wrong number in the wrong slot.

When you look at the original boxscore you have 11,357 / $1,324,454 with a average price per ticket of $116.62.

Those numbers fall in line with the current averages almost to a tee.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by nibbler1982 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:09 am

Let’s hope Billboard has something for us today.

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KISS - Canadian Tire Centre, Ottawa, ON, Canada
Reported audience: 11,023 / 11,315 (97.42%)
Reported gross: $1,027,092 (CDN$1,371,541)

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redinthesky wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:22 am
Thunderous_Lay wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:16 am
redinthesky wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:06 am
Jilted? I complimented Kiss and gave them major props. You actually sound like the jilted one because you can't accept what "sold-out" actually means.
Faux praise you mean and as I said on occasion, in the end, it makes no difference whatsoever.

Again, my fandom is not predicated on numbers, stellar or otherwise.
So now you're a supposed mind-reader? I've given Kiss various props all along the first leg of the tour, especially for being road warriors and cramming so many shows in relatively little time. No secret I'm not a fan of this lineup, or the lip-syncing. But can't deny Gene and Paul have blown up their show and their ticket sales so far have been pretty darn good.
There are a few mind readers on this site. I have been told what I am thinking and who I dislike for years lol. Did you know because I don't like TLJ I am a woman hater?? Even though I have said numerous times I love TFA?? Mind readers often find out they are always wrong Red. Thunderous likes to lure people in with this tactic.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by aceshigh » Tue May 07, 2019 1:46 pm

nibbler1982 wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:07 am
Nothing this week. :(
https://www.billboard.com/biz/current-boxscore
What to do when there are no dots to count? :D

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Post by tazchris » Tue May 07, 2019 1:47 pm

That is a great turn out for Ottawa. They didn't draw that well in Ottawa the last time there in 2013. It may have only been 5-6000 from what I remember. Vancouver was a similar turn out to Ottawa in 2013 as well. They are sure packing them in on this tour everywhere.

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Post by So Cruel » Tue May 07, 2019 1:50 pm

My question is what’s going on for next year? They started this out saying 3 year tour. In 2019 they will have done 2 North American legs, 1 European leg, and Australia.

In 2020 they can go to South America, but that’s a short run, under a month. Japan, but that’s even shorter, at most a couple of weeks. Maybe a European festival leg in the summer. Can’t see any more demand in N.American markets, unless they hit the sticks, but the $1m shows would be long gone if they do that.

Did Kiss blow their load this year?

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Post by necronomicon » Tue May 07, 2019 1:51 pm

If they "blew their load" it was still a pretty big fucking load

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Post by So Cruel » Tue May 07, 2019 1:59 pm

necronomicon wrote:
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If they "blew their load" it was still a pretty big fucking load
Can the Love Gun re-load though?

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So Cruel wrote:
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If they "blew their load" it was still a pretty big fucking load
Can the Love Gun re-load though?
Not without a Five Card Stud.

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Whoops, duplicate post.
Last edited by Wichita77 on Tue May 07, 2019 5:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by redinthesky » Tue May 07, 2019 5:01 pm

Wichita77 wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 3:02 pm
redinthesky wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:48 am


Because 99.99% sold isn't "sold-out." Only 100% sold is "sold-out."

If Red was in charge of promoting KISS, his commercial would look like one of those "Just OK is not OK" commercials.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YT3erQZoq4

Reporter: So Paul, how is the tour doing?
Paul: We're almost selling out.

Reporter: How's your voice holding up?
Paul: It's okay. I've sounded better.

Sorry Red, but that's what came to mind when I read your post. :)
In this thread too, virtually the same reply? I already answered you on this in the other thread, sorry but this is just strange.

If it makes you feel any better, I heard Kiss has already sold out their entire second North American leg, so rest easy. Yup, every show, a sellout.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by nibbler1982 » Tue May 07, 2019 5:13 pm

So Cruel wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 1:50 pm
My question is what’s going on for next year? They started this out saying 3 year tour. In 2019 they will have done 2 North American legs, 1 European leg, and Australia.

In 2020 they can go to South America, but that’s a short run, under a month. Japan, but that’s even shorter, at most a couple of weeks. Maybe a European festival leg in the summer. Can’t see any more demand in N.American markets, unless they hit the sticks, but the $1m shows would be long gone if they do that.

Did Kiss blow their load this year?
I think there’s a lot more of Europe to be had than a few festivals. All you have to do is check their history and they’re plenty of markets left untouched by 2019’s EOTR. Add that together with South America and Asia and I believe there are plenty of dates to be added up from those three regions. After that, there are countless Freedom To Rock type places to hit too. Shouldn’t they have a chance to say goodbye to the Hottest Band In The World?

As far as the $1m shows? I don’t (nor do KISS) believe those are gonna keep up. But as they did 20 years ago on their last Farewell, they’re not gonna leave any stone unturned. They would still be profitable stops, just less profitable. Look at these dates from 2000.

KISS, Ted Nugent, Skid Row
August 15, 2000
Albuquerque, NM
Tingley Coliseum
5,550 / 11,775 (47.13%)
$233,100

KISS, Ted Nugent, Skid Row
August 21, 2000
Biloxi, MS
Mississippi Coast Coliseum
4,219 / 15,000 (28.13%)
$179,308

KISS, Skid Row
September 6, 2000
East Lansing, MI
Breslin Center
4,792 / 14,500 (33.05%)
$215,640

KISS, Ted Nugent, Skid Row
September 10, 2000
Evansville, IN
Roberts Stadium
4,581 / 12,912 (35.48%)
$280,185

KISS, Ted Nugent, Skid Row
September 15, 2000
Binghamton, NY
Broome County Arena
3,228 / 6,800 (47.47%)
$225,735

KISS, Skid Row
October 4, 2000
Columbia, MD
Merriweather Post Pavilion
4,369 / 15,274 (28.60%)
$280,234

I fully expect them to farm every single shekel they can and leave nothing on the table. By the end of EOTR I expect similar soft numbers like the ones above.

This ain’t a sprint, there’s a lot of ROAD to cover before we reach the END.

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redinthesky wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 5:01 pm


In this thread too, virtually the same reply? I already answered you on this in the other thread, sorry but this is just strange.

I'm sorry. I goofed it and thought it didn't post.

Been one of those days.

I deleted it.

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nibbler1982 wrote:
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This ain’t a sprint, there’s a lot of ROAD to cover before we reach the END.
Do you really think that the carwash guy will let this tour be the last? :scratch:

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

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So Cruel wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 1:50 pm
My question is what’s going on for next year? They started this out saying 3 year tour. In 2019 they will have done 2 North American legs, 1 European leg, and Australia.

In 2020 they can go to South America, but that’s a short run, under a month. Japan, but that’s even shorter, at most a couple of weeks. Maybe a European festival leg in the summer. Can’t see any more demand in N.American markets, unless they hit the sticks, but the $1m shows would be long gone if they do that.

Did Kiss blow their load this year?
I’ve pondered this thought quite a bit lately myself. According to one of the podcasts they are possibly hitting Japan in December as well. That doesn’t leave much for the supposed last 2 years of the tour. But I guess they know far more about this than any of us. Like some have said, there’s most likely a US B market run to come so maybe that will be the 3rd year, with a few major cities revisited along the way. It will be interesting to see how it plays out over the next couple years. 8)

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Post by Admin » Tue May 14, 2019 7:57 am

And there's the adjustments we were waiting for ;)

Apr. 2 - Centre Videotron, Quebec, QC, Canada
Reported attendance: 13,142 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,074,865
Avg. ticket price: $81.79

Apr. 3 - Canadian Tire Centre, Ottawa, ON, Canada
Reported attendance: 11,315 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,050,517
Avg. ticket price: $92.84

Apr. 6 - PNC Arena, Raleigh, NC
Reported attendance: 13,076 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,756,574
Avg. ticket price: $134.34

Apr. 9 - Bridgestone Arena, Nashville, TN
Reported attendance: 13,759 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,590,796
Avg. ticket price: $115.62

Apr. 11 - Amalie Arena, Tampa, FL
Reported attendance: 13,509 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,654,566
Avg. ticket price: $122.48

Apr. 13 - BJCC Arena, Birmingham, AL
Reported attendance: 12,788 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,560,015
Avg. ticket price: $121.99

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Post by nibbler1982 » Tue May 14, 2019 8:14 am

Thanks for the hard work and diligence Jam Master Jules.

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Post by kantsu » Tue May 14, 2019 8:15 am

Thanks Admin! Very impressive numbers.

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Post by nibbler1982 » Tue May 14, 2019 8:17 am

So off the top of my head we’re still missing 4 from this leg?

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Overall (from 39 reported dates):
Reported audiences: 474,850 / 481,456 (98.63%)
Reported gross: $53,726,593
Average ticket price: $113.14
Average audience: 12,163

Highest attendance (To date): 16,843, Boston, MA, Mar. 26
Highest gross (To date): $1,848,999, Nationwide Arena, Columbus, OH, Mar. 16
Highest ticket average (to date): $138.15, Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY, Mar. 22

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Tue May 14, 2019 8:17 am
So off the top of my head we’re still missing 4 from this leg?
Nearly.

Glendale, AZ
Sioux Falls, SD
Grand Rapids, MI
Moline, IL
Toronto, ON, Canada

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by andreww1962 » Tue May 14, 2019 8:54 am

Admin wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 8:18 am
Overall (from 39 reported dates):
Reported audiences: 474,850 / 481,456 (98.63%)
Reported gross: $53,726,593
Average ticket price: $113.14
Average audience: 12,163

Highest attendance (To date): 16,843, Boston, MA, Mar. 26
Highest gross (To date): $1,848,999, Nationwide Arena, Columbus, OH, Mar. 16
Highest ticket average (to date): $138.15, Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY, Mar. 22
This is what makes me scratch my head. In the majority of the venues I have looked at there are very few ticket available for $113 or less, in fact the majority of tickets are double that cost. The front sections are 5 to 10 times that price. So how on earth is it possible that they are averaging $113? I'm calling shenanigans.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by aceshigh » Tue May 14, 2019 9:23 am

nibbler1982 wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 8:14 am
Thanks for the hard work and diligence Jam Master Jules.
:lol: You might want to wipe that brown spot off your nose. Unreal. :lol:

Seriously 10 minutes later and I can still feel the cringe....Jam Master Jules :lol: that one has to sting...

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Admin » Tue May 14, 2019 9:32 am

Jacksonville, FL - Veterans Memorial Arena, Promoter: Live Nation
Reported audience: 11,225 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,277,895

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