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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by nibbler1982 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:13 am

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I hope we hear about Grand Rapids. That is the show I attended and would be pretty cool for it to be sold out. I mean if it isn't it has to be dang close to sold out. I did not notice any empty seats. Last KISS show I saw that sold out was I believe Tiger Stadium. Maybe one of the shows at Pine Knob (DTE), in the mid to late 2000s, not sure about those.
I will all but guarantee we get a Grand Rapids boxscore.

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Post by bassmansteiny » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:04 am

Awesome :)

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Crown Royal » Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:44 am

nibbler1982 wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:13 am
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I hope we hear about Grand Rapids. That is the show I attended and would be pretty cool for it to be sold out. I mean if it isn't it has to be dang close to sold out. I did not notice any empty seats. Last KISS show I saw that sold out was I believe Tiger Stadium. Maybe one of the shows at Pine Knob (DTE), in the mid to late 2000s, not sure about those.
I will all but guarantee we get a Grand Rapids boxscore.
I'm saying 10,904 for GR

Nibbsy, if I'm within 500 either way you owe me a signed Paul Lynda poster. 8)

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by BlairC42 » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:53 pm

Any new EOTR Boxscores yet?

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Nothing in a while... Most unpleasant.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

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Nothing in a while... Most unpleasant.
Tell me about it.

Most certainly unpleasant.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

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nibbler1982 wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:57 am
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Nothing in a while... Most unpleasant.
Tell me about it.

Most certainly unpleasant.
Ok :lol: Very certainty unpleasant impatient! :wink:

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Crown Royal » Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:55 pm

I was out in Philly the last week, was watching a local newscast and they said scattered tickets were available, and that was the morning of the show, so it should be a sellout, or very close

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KISS - Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
Reported audience: 13,359 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,730,755

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by nibbler1982 » Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:09 pm

Love seeing MSG!

I wonder where everything in between is?

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Deuce1231 » Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:21 pm

nibbler1982 wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:09 pm
Love seeing MSG!

I wonder where everything in between is?
Chicago and Grand Rapids are conspicuously MIA...

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by nibbler1982 » Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:33 pm

Deuce1231 wrote:
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nibbler1982 wrote:
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Love seeing MSG!

I wonder where everything in between is?
Chicago and Grand Rapids are conspicuously MIA...
Yes and no.

The drips and drabs they were coming out at the beginning of the tour was more out of the ordinary than not.

Boxscores come out in all kinds of ways. More often than not, a lot of tours release them in larger blocks of like ten or so shows.

When it’s all said and done I do believe we’ll have almost all of them.

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March 23 - Mohegan Sun, Uncasville, CT
Reported audience: 7,254 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $969,342

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by nibbler1982 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:14 am

Nice numbers.

I’m happy to get ANYTHING right now. There’s a lot to still be released. I’m fairly confident we’ll get ‘em sooner or later.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

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Apr. 7 - State Farm Arena, Atlanta, GA
Reported audience: 11,357 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,324,454

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by nibbler1982 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:01 am

Nice.

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Post by LoveGuns » Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:46 am

No Philly yet?

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Ace of Bass » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:32 am

nibbler1982 wrote:
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Nice.
I'm anxiously waiting for Pittsburgh.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by nibbler1982 » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:01 am

Ace of Bass wrote:
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Nice.
I'm anxiously waiting for Pittsburgh.
I’m waiting for all of them Brother Bass.

Pittsburgh assuredly included.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by CrimeDawg » Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:35 am

Unless I missed it the one for Louisville hasn't been released yet has it? Very interested in that one since KISS recently hasn't drawn that well in Kentucky.

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Unless I missed it the one for Louisville hasn't been released yet has it? Very interested in that one since KISS recently hasn't drawn that well in Kentucky.
Yeah KISS historically hasn't done well in Kentucky. At least in the 80s, not sure about the 70s. 1996 reunion show at Freedom Hall had a really good turn out (as did all reunion shows) and the EOTR show was packed. Really good turn out.

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Mar. 19 - Bell Centre, Montreal, QC, Canada
Reported audience: 14,207 / 14,756 (96.28%)
Reported gross: $1,214,421
Avg. PPT $85.48, lowest of the dates reported so far.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by nibbler1982 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:43 pm

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Mar. 19 - Bell Centre, Montreal, QC, Canada
Reported audience: 14,207 / 14,756 (96.28%)
Reported gross: $1,214,421
Avg. PPT $85.48, lowest of the dates reported so far.
Shocked.

Not that it’s a bad gate. 1.2M...I don’t feel too sorry for ‘em. It’s just that sales were so robust they even added a second show.

Unless the figures get amended, which has happened for a few dates so far...the numbers are what they say they are.

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Post by Shane_Penney » Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:11 pm

nibbler1982 wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:43 pm
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Mar. 19 - Bell Centre, Montreal, QC, Canada
Reported audience: 14,207 / 14,756 (96.28%)
Reported gross: $1,214,421
Avg. PPT $85.48, lowest of the dates reported so far.
Shocked.

Not that it’s a bad gate. 1.2M...I don’t feel too sorry for ‘em. It’s just that sales were so robust they even added a second show.

Unless the figures get amended, which has happened for a few dates so far...the numbers are what they say they are.
Is anyone taking into account the currency exchange rate for Montreal? Ticket prices are in Canadian dollars when we buy the tickets. Is the gross in US dollars or Canadian dollars?

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by nibbler1982 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:22 pm

Shane_Penney wrote:
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nibbler1982 wrote:
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Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:59 pm
Mar. 19 - Bell Centre, Montreal, QC, Canada
Reported audience: 14,207 / 14,756 (96.28%)
Reported gross: $1,214,421
Avg. PPT $85.48, lowest of the dates reported so far.
Shocked.

Not that it’s a bad gate. 1.2M...I don’t feel too sorry for ‘em. It’s just that sales were so robust they even added a second show.

Unless the figures get amended, which has happened for a few dates so far...the numbers are what they say they are.
Is anyone taking into account the currency exchange rate for Montreal? Ticket prices are in Canadian dollars when we buy the tickets. Is the gross in US dollars or Canadian dollars?
I was gonna mention that, but the Vancouver show was right in line with the others. Then again, maybe they got the conversion wrong when the did the math. It’s definitely an anomaly, that one sold very well, very quickly.

If it has a “$”...which it does, I’m gonna say the total’s in US currency.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by Admin » Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:26 pm

Gross is in USD. CDN $1,598,870

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by tmcfaddin » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:29 pm

CrimeDawg wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:35 am
Unless I missed it the one for Louisville hasn't been released yet has it? Very interested in that one since KISS recently hasn't drawn that well in Kentucky.
I was at the Louisville show. If it wasn't sold out, it was very, very close. It was jam packed.
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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by nibbler1982 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:30 am

The Montreal boxscore is quite the anomaly. It’s hard to explain the relatively low gate and average ticket price. Not that the numbers are so out of whack, but they’re disjointed enough to catch your attention.

Off the bat, sales were so robust out the gate that they literally added a second show. That being the case, discounted prices were near nine existent if not at all. Next, this was one of the highest attendances of all recorded shows so far. So you have high volume, high sales rate, and nonexistent discounts. This all adds up to some of the best numbers of the tour. Well...the best laid schemes o' mice an' men gang aft a-gley.

As it stands the $85.48 is currently the lowest average ticket price of the tour. Add on top of that the fact that the gate barely made it to $1.2M. Other attendances with ~13,500 or better made considerably more, some $500,000 more. It’s wuite the divergence.

Okay, so maybe it’s just the Montreal market. Some regions are just different monetarily from others. Nope, I don’t think it’s that either. Let’s look at what KISS did here in 2009 compared to today.

KISS
Bell Centre
Montreal, QC, Canada
July 13, 2009
$992,525
13,566
Average price per ticket $73.16

KISS
Bell Centre
Montreal, QC, Canada
Mar. 19, 2019
$1,214,421
14,207
Average price per ticket $85.48

In 2009 the ATP of $73.16 was one of the highest of that year. In 2019 the aforementioned ATP of $85.48 remains the lowest. It’s truly a tale of two cities.

Something is definitely off. I’d love to know the how’s and why’s of it. Maybe time will tell.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by acefan1975 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:19 pm

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The Montreal boxscore is quite the anomaly. It’s hard to explain the relatively low gate and average ticket price. Not that the numbers are so out of whack, but they’re disjointed enough to catch your attention.

Off the bat, sales were so robust out the gate that they literally added a second show. That being the case, discounted prices were near nine existent if not at all. Next, this was one of the highest attendances of all recorded shows so far. So you have high volume, high sales rate, and nonexistent discounts. This all adds up to some of the best numbers of the tour. Well...the best laid schemes o' mice an' men gang aft a-gley.

As it stands the $85.48 is currently the lowest average ticket price of the tour. Add on top of that the fact that the gate barely made it to $1.2M. Other attendances with ~13,500 or better made considerably more, some $500,000 more. It’s wuite the divergence.

Okay, so maybe it’s just the Montreal market. Some regions are just different monetarily from others. Nope, I don’t think it’s that either. Let’s look at what KISS did here in 2009 compared to today.

KISS
Bell Centre
Montreal, QC, Canada
July 13, 2009
$992,525
13,566
Average price per ticket $73.16

KISS
Bell Centre
Montreal, QC, Canada
Mar. 19, 2019
$1,214,421
14,207
Average price per ticket $85.48

In 2009 the ATP of $73.16 was one of the highest of that year. In 2019 the aforementioned ATP of $85.48 remains the lowest. It’s truly a tale of two cities.

Something is definitely off. I’d love to know the how’s and why’s of it. Maybe time will tell.
Maybe the discounts were fewer, but with the highest price tickets. Still would have to be on quite a few though. I would have guessed a gross of at least 1.6M for a show with 14,000 attendees...

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

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KISS are smashing it! 8)

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nibbler1982 wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:30 am
The Montreal boxscore is quite the anomaly. It’s hard to explain the relatively low gate and average ticket price. Not that the numbers are so out of whack, but they’re disjointed enough to catch your attention.

Off the bat, sales were so robust out the gate that they literally added a second show. That being the case, discounted prices were near nine existent if not at all. Next, this was one of the highest attendances of all recorded shows so far. So you have high volume, high sales rate, and nonexistent discounts. This all adds up to some of the best numbers of the tour. Well...the best laid schemes o' mice an' men gang aft a-gley.

As it stands the $85.48 is currently the lowest average ticket price of the tour. Add on top of that the fact that the gate barely made it to $1.2M. Other attendances with ~13,500 or better made considerably more, some $500,000 more. It’s wuite the divergence.

Okay, so maybe it’s just the Montreal market. Some regions are just different monetarily from others. Nope, I don’t think it’s that either. Let’s look at what KISS did here in 2009 compared to today.

KISS
Bell Centre
Montreal, QC, Canada
July 13, 2009
$992,525
13,566
Average price per ticket $73.16

KISS
Bell Centre
Montreal, QC, Canada
Mar. 19, 2019
$1,214,421
14,207
Average price per ticket $85.48

In 2009 the ATP of $73.16 was one of the highest of that year. In 2019 the aforementioned ATP of $85.48 remains the lowest. It’s truly a tale of two cities.

Something is definitely off. I’d love to know the how’s and why’s of it. Maybe time will tell.
The exchange rate.

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Post by necronomicon » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:56 am

That's an oversimplification, but things just value differently in different currencies sometimes.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

Post by nibbler1982 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:21 am

necronomicon wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:56 am
That's an oversimplification, but things just value differently in different currencies sometimes.
It’s not the exchange rate.

KISS
General Motors Place
Vancouver, BC, Canada
Nov. 14, 2009
$966,046
13,546
Average price per ticket $71.32

KISS
Rogers Arena
Vancouver, British Columbia
Jan. 31, 2019
$1,551,414
13,373
Average price per ticket $116.01

The funny thing is the Montreal show sold more tickets and at a more robust rate, which would translate to less discounted seats. If any at all that is. Don’t forget sales were so strong they added a second show.

When looking at available data for EOTR, Montreal is truly an outlier.

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Post by necronomicon » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:01 pm

Very interesting! Yeah, I can't explain it. Maybe brisk business for the first 10,000 seats, they added a second show, and then sales for the first dropped off and they discounted the final couple thousand?

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Post by nibbler1982 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:27 pm

necronomicon wrote:
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Very interesting! Yeah, I can't explain it. Maybe brisk business for the first 10,000 seats, they added a second show, and then sales for the first dropped off and they discounted the final couple thousand?
That’s certainly plausible. Although the way I remember it...it was just about to capacity by the time they added the second show. I couldn’t say that for certain though.

I’d love to see the rest of the boxscores and see if Montreal remains the quirk it appears to be.

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Apr. 11 - Amalie Arena, Tampa, FL
Reported audience: 13,103 / 13,509 (96.99%)
Reported gross: $1,479,989

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Apr. 11 - Amalie Arena, Tampa, FL
Reported audience: 13,103 / 13,509 (96.99%)
Reported gross: $1,479,989
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Admin wrote:
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Apr. 11 - Amalie Arena, Tampa, FL
Reported audience: 13,103 / 13,509 (96.99%)
Reported gross: $1,479,989
Wow... I figured that show would have been more than that. Fantastic numbers, but I thought it would be closer to 15,000. Needless to say, I was a little off. Will be interesting to see if we get a boxscore for Jacksonville.

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Re: New EOTR Boxscores

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Admin wrote:
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Apr. 11 - Amalie Arena, Tampa, FL
Reported audience: 13,103 / 13,509 (96.99%)
Reported gross: $1,479,989
When they say reported audience of 13,103 does that refer to tickets sold/issued or how many people actually showed up? I was at that show and have no idea where those 400 empty seats would have been. I bought my tickets only two weeks before the show from Ticketmaster and there were barely any available maybe 30 or 40 seats in those two sections that are alongside/behind the stage and about 5 rows worth in the two lower bowl sections closest to the stage that they released as "Platinum seats" about 2 week out.

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