New EOTR Boxscores

[metaldad]

Firstly, apologies if I played a part in the detailing of the other thread. My #wewon comment seemed to ruffle a few feathers.

Secondly, thanks for always going above and beyond to gather these stats. You never miss a beat.

Thirdly, from the numbers so far I think the average is about 12,000 per show with a 90% sold rate. Gotta be happy with that!

How does the EOTR tour compare to the Reunion numbers?

I would actually think the EOTR with Ace and Peter would pull in Guns N Roses reunion numbers.

I’m holding off on a comparative analysis with other tours until more data comes in. The short of it is EOTR is an unparalleled success. Even Billboard has said this tour has outperformed all other KISS tours.

As for EOTR with Ace & Peter?

I believe it would do better than what we’ve already seen so far. How much better? Who knows. A Reunion/Farewell has to be worth more than a Farewell alone .

GnR reunion numbers???

They didn’t do those numbers in ‘96 so what makes you believe they would’ve done it now?

Kiss didn't do those numbers in 96 but the could have if they booked bigger venues. Kiss / Doc has said they didn't know what the tour would do and it took off. Meaning at the time they booked the tour they hand no ideas how people would responded.

You also have to remember Van Halen was playing HOB and Cure's tour was failing in 1996-98.

Venues are bigger now in a lot of markets if you want to play 20,000 arena.

- Memphis
- Vegas
- Atlanta
- Miami
- L.A.

All cities above have bigger venues to play if you can fill them.

You know as Kiss fans if Gene and Paul wanted to hype Ace and Peter for the Final Kiss Tour of ALL-Time that the response would be much bigger then the current tour.

Van Halen was playing the House of Blues in 96 ?
I don’t they toured in 96 and in 95 it was in Arenas
Outside Of a Charity gig , I don’t know where you came up with this

Van Halen - HOB - Orlando Fl.

This is from Aug 1998 and VH played the HOB on Sept. 16, 1998

Van Halen, the group now working on its third lead singer, will be at the House of Blues at Downtown Disney West Side at 8 p.m. Sept. 16. The band released its Van Halen 3 album in March, the first featuring Gary Cerone (the singer who followed David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar). That album's singles "Fire in the Hole," "Without You" and "One I Want" have all charted on Billboard's mainstream-rock-tracks list. Tickets are $50 and will go on sale Saturday.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os ... story.html

I saw them at MSG in 98 and Jones Beach Theater

And they played HOB in 1998 in Orlando Florida just like I said. Sorry to burst that bubble Timmy.

Burst bubble ?
Don’t think so Troll
You put them in the league of Motley Crue
VH did Arenas, I was there
If they did little places for fun, like they did with Sam
So be it
Who the fuck is Timmy ?
Idiot

[metaldad]

Firstly, apologies if I played a part in the detailing of the other thread. My #wewon comment seemed to ruffle a few feathers.

Secondly, thanks for always going above and beyond to gather these stats. You never miss a beat.

Thirdly, from the numbers so far I think the average is about 12,000 per show with a 90% sold rate. Gotta be happy with that!

How does the EOTR tour compare to the Reunion numbers?

I would actually think the EOTR with Ace and Peter would pull in Guns N Roses reunion numbers.

I’m holding off on a comparative analysis with other tours until more data comes in. The short of it is EOTR is an unparalleled success. Even Billboard has said this tour has outperformed all other KISS tours.

As for EOTR with Ace & Peter?

I believe it would do better than what we’ve already seen so far. How much better? Who knows. A Reunion/Farewell has to be worth more than a Farewell alone .

GnR reunion numbers???

They didn’t do those numbers in ‘96 so what makes you believe they would’ve done it now?

Kiss didn't do those numbers in 96 but the could have if they booked bigger venues. Kiss / Doc has said they didn't know what the tour would do and it took off. Meaning at the time they booked the tour they hand no ideas how people would responded.

You also have to remember Van Halen was playing HOB and Cure's tour was failing in 1996-98.

Venues are bigger now in a lot of markets if you want to play 20,000 arena.

- Memphis
- Vegas
- Atlanta
- Miami
- L.A.

All cities above have bigger venues to play if you can fill them.

You know as Kiss fans if Gene and Paul wanted to hype Ace and Peter for the Final Kiss Tour of ALL-Time that the response would be much bigger then the current tour.

Van Halen was playing the House of Blues in 96 ?
I don’t they toured in 96 and in 95 it was in Arenas
Outside Of a Charity gig , I don’t know where you came up with this

Van Halen - HOB - Orlando Fl.

This is from Aug 1998 and VH played the HOB on Sept. 16, 1998

Van Halen, the group now working on its third lead singer, will be at the House of Blues at Downtown Disney West Side at 8 p.m. Sept. 16. The band released its Van Halen 3 album in March, the first featuring Gary Cerone (the singer who followed David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar). That album's singles "Fire in the Hole," "Without You" and "One I Want" have all charted on Billboard's mainstream-rock-tracks list. Tickets are $50 and will go on sale Saturday.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os ... story.html

I saw them at MSG in 98 and Jones Beach Theater

That Jones Beach show was head and shoulders my least favorite VH show.

Although I do believe that goes without saying.

Yep
At least the setlist was decent
Unlike the Hagar years

[PterCriss]

Firstly, apologies if I played a part in the detailing of the other thread. My #wewon comment seemed to ruffle a few feathers.

Secondly, thanks for always going above and beyond to gather these stats. You never miss a beat.

Thirdly, from the numbers so far I think the average is about 12,000 per show with a 90% sold rate. Gotta be happy with that!

How does the EOTR tour compare to the Reunion numbers?

I would actually think the EOTR with Ace and Peter would pull in Guns N Roses reunion numbers.

I’m holding off on a comparative analysis with other tours until more data comes in. The short of it is EOTR is an unparalleled success. Even Billboard has said this tour has outperformed all other KISS tours.

As for EOTR with Ace & Peter?

I believe it would do better than what we’ve already seen so far. How much better? Who knows. A Reunion/Farewell has to be worth more than a Farewell alone .

GnR reunion numbers???

They didn’t do those numbers in ‘96 so what makes you believe they would’ve done it now?

Kiss didn't do those numbers in 96 but the could have if they booked bigger venues. Kiss / Doc has said they didn't know what the tour would do and it took off. Meaning at the time they booked the tour they hand no ideas how people would responded.

You also have to remember Van Halen was playing HOB and Cure's tour was failing in 1996-98.

Venues are bigger now in a lot of markets if you want to play 20,000 arena.

- Memphis
- Vegas
- Atlanta
- Miami
- L.A.

All cities above have bigger venues to play if you can fill them.

You know as Kiss fans if Gene and Paul wanted to hype Ace and Peter for the Final Kiss Tour of ALL-Time that the response would be much bigger then the current tour.

Van Halen was playing the House of Blues in 96 ?
I don’t they toured in 96 and in 95 it was in Arenas
Outside Of a Charity gig , I don’t know where you came up with this

Van Halen - HOB - Orlando Fl.

This is from Aug 1998 and VH played the HOB on Sept. 16, 1998

Van Halen, the group now working on its third lead singer, will be at the House of Blues at Downtown Disney West Side at 8 p.m. Sept. 16. The band released its Van Halen 3 album in March, the first featuring Gary Cerone (the singer who followed David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar). That album's singles "Fire in the Hole," "Without You" and "One I Want" have all charted on Billboard's mainstream-rock-tracks list. Tickets are $50 and will go on sale Saturday.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os ... story.html

I saw them at MSG in 98 and Jones Beach Theater

And they played HOB in 1998 in Orlando Florida just like I said. Sorry to burst that bubble Timmy.

Burst bubble ?
Don’t think so Troll
You put them in the league of Motley Crue
VH did Arenas, I was there
If they did little places for fun, like they did with Sam
So be it
Who the fuck is Timmy ?
Idiot

You asked me were I came up with this stuff about Van Halen like it wasn't true. I showed you it was true and I brought it up because it was the same time Kiss was touring with the reunion line up.

And they didn't play HOB because it was a FUN place to play.

Do you call everyone that answers your questions a troll or is troll the flavor of the week now?

[KISSKid4ever]

Are those Springsteen prices for his Broadway show? If so, that's not a regular/true concert or concert venue. Broadway shoes regularly charge $200-400 a ticket.

Thing is, many of those shows actually are, well... "Broadway shows."

Springsteen on Broadway, on the other hand, was nothing more than the Boss and his wife fleecing his rabid, brain-dead legion of fans, under the guise of musical theatre.

You're calling Springsteen fans brain dead. And you're a fan of a band who does the same tired setlist every show, who've released two new albums in the last twenty years, and a lead singer's voice so fucked up he has to lip sync to get through their last tour, just for one last cash grab. You sir, are hilarious.

[Thunderous_Lay]

You're calling Springsteen fans brain dead. And you're a fan of a band who does the same tired setlist every show, who've released two new albums in the last twenty years, and a lead singer's voice so fucked up he has to lip sync to get through their last tour, just for one last cash grab. You sir, are hilarious.

... feel all better now, mate ? Got it all out ? Has your sense of worth been restored ?

Good, very good.

For what is worth, I'm a Springsteen fan as well ( more like an E Street Band fan, come to think of it ) but I don't buy into his tired old working class hero bullsh*t, same way I don't fall for KISS'.

Mind you, if I was Bruce, I'd probably do the same. Good for him.

[Talktopete]

Are those Springsteen prices for his Broadway show? If so, that's not a regular/true concert or concert venue. Broadway shoes regularly charge $200-400 a ticket.

Thing is, many of those shows actually are, well... "Broadway shows."

Springsteen on Broadway, on the other hand, was nothing more than the Boss and his wife fleecing his rabid, brain-dead legion of fans, under the guise of musical theatre.

Also, nothing against Patti, but her singing ? Ughhh...

That’s what I’m saying. This is the perfect example of The Boss absolutely gutting his most loyal fans. He told the promoters, “Shit...with only a thousand seats in the venue I’m not gonna do this for any less than a $XXX,XXX guarantee.” The only way that was possible was setting tix in a $75-$850 spectrum.

Bruce sure is swell.

You’re comparing apples to oranges. A Broadway show in a theatre that holds 500 seats is a little different then playing in 15,000 - 80,000 on a concert tour. It didn’t really matter what Bruce charged for those tickets. The Broadway shows sold out months in advance with the resale tickets going for well into the thousands. He could have been charging triple what he did.

Didn't you just make nibblers point for him?

The Walter Kerr Theater sat 1,000 for the Springsteen shows, not 500. Get your facts straight.

[Talktopete]

I think the concert industry is gonna be in a heap of trouble in a decade or so. It can survive off of these prices now because you have a lot of big bands from the 70’s and 80’s still touring. Their fans are older and have a lot more disposable income. What happens when these bands die off? How many arena packing artists have come out in the last 20 years? A whole lot less then in the decades prior.

Yup. If some of these current artists are gonna get involved in the dynamic pricing game, then they better disappear for years in between tours, because it won't be sustainable on the regular.

I'm just glad that some bands want no part of it. I'm gonna see Phish next week, and they always bring the heat in concert in front of packed crowds. No dynamic pricing, price points with little to no disparity (other than lawn seats, obviously they'll be lower than pavilion seats), and the option for fans to pre-order tickets directly from the band...but they'll still gross a cool million (or so) every show, and they can come back every summer to the same city with similar results, because the fans don't feel like they're getting burned by overpaying. A million per show every year, sounds like good business to me...

A cool 1.5 MILLION a show? Really? Really? They just played the Steifel Theater in St. Louis last week. It seats 3,000. Granted, they did two nights. But there were tickets available for the 2nd show. Please tell me how they made 1.5 million dollars from an audience of 3,000???????

[Talktopete]

Yes, good ol supply and demand pricing out the people who are supposed to be the lifeblood of the concert biz, the 15-25 crowd. Once these dinosaur acts are extinct, and the people on the back 9 of their lives turn their backs from attending any more shows, I suppose Ticketmaster (and those complicit) will finally come to a realization why younger people don't GAF about music like the older generations do. Glad I was born at the right time to catch great shows without spending an arm and a leg, but still young enough to watch it all go to shit first-hand....

I am glad I lived in the days when tickets were cheap and where you sat/stood depended on how early you showed up in line to wait. I have been in the very front of a Van Halen show back in the day, Sabbath with Dio, Alice Cooper, Metallica, and many others, all after waiting all day to get in. (Sadly circumstances prevented me from showing up early at those early KISS shows.)

At my age though, I am glad now that I can pay for the seat I want, show up whenever I want, and not get shoved around in the mosh pit anymore.

Seriously, more power to ya, but I can't justify paying $750 for anything lasting only a few hours, regardless of what my personal income is, with the possible exception of surgery

And it better be a damn good surgery at that! Maybe including a meet and greet with the doctor.

I'm with you - not spending $750 for anything as fleeting as a concert or sports event, but more power to those who would do so.

A meet and greet with the doctor!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA LMFAO!!!

[Talktopete]

The DOJ launched an investigation over Ticketmaster's monopolistic practices and strong-arm tactics, yet the resident dot counter wants us to think any 'ol ticket company can just step in and do business. No shit Ticketmaster/Live Nation is not literally 100% a monopoly, but if splitting hairs about it blows your skirt up, then I won't stop you from doing a pee pee dance....

Yes, the DOJ did investigate Ticketmaster for possible breach of antitrust laws. Their findings bolster my argument not yours. In fact it does more than bolster it. It proves my argument.

It’s odd you’d even bring it up.

I agree! It actually made me laugh. Nibbs, you're absolutely brilliant. This stuff fascinates me. Your figures etc are phenomenal and your posts always make me smile.

[star_paul12]

I think the concert industry is gonna be in a heap of trouble in a decade or so. It can survive off of these prices now because you have a lot of big bands from the 70’s and 80’s still touring. Their fans are older and have a lot more disposable income. What happens when these bands die off? How many arena packing artists have come out in the last 20 years? A whole lot less then in the decades prior.

Yup. If some of these current artists are gonna get involved in the dynamic pricing game, then they better disappear for years in between tours, because it won't be sustainable on the regular.

I'm just glad that some bands want no part of it. I'm gonna see Phish next week, and they always bring the heat in concert in front of packed crowds. No dynamic pricing, price points with little to no disparity (other than lawn seats, obviously they'll be lower than pavilion seats), and the option for fans to pre-order tickets directly from the band...but they'll still gross a cool million (or so) every show, and they can come back every summer to the same city with similar results, because the fans don't feel like they're getting burned by overpaying. A million per show every year, sounds like good business to me...

A cool 1.5 MILLION a show? Really? Really? They just played the Steifel Theater in St. Louis last week. It seats 3,000. Granted, they did two nights. But there were tickets available for the 2nd show. Please tell me how they made 1.5 million dollars from an audience of 3,000???????

They also just headlined bonaroo. For the third time. One of the biggest music festivals in the us. Probably only behind Coachella. So yes, they’re doing quite well. And have been for decades.

[Vandelay Industries]

I think the concert industry is gonna be in a heap of trouble in a decade or so. It can survive off of these prices now because you have a lot of big bands from the 70’s and 80’s still touring. Their fans are older and have a lot more disposable income. What happens when these bands die off? How many arena packing artists have come out in the last 20 years? A whole lot less then in the decades prior.

Yup. If some of these current artists are gonna get involved in the dynamic pricing game, then they better disappear for years in between tours, because it won't be sustainable on the regular.

I'm just glad that some bands want no part of it. I'm gonna see Phish next week, and they always bring the heat in concert in front of packed crowds. No dynamic pricing, price points with little to no disparity (other than lawn seats, obviously they'll be lower than pavilion seats), and the option for fans to pre-order tickets directly from the band...but they'll still gross a cool million (or so) every show, and they can come back every summer to the same city with similar results, because the fans don't feel like they're getting burned by overpaying. A million per show every year, sounds like good business to me...

A cool 1.5 MILLION a show? Really? Really? They just played the Steifel Theater in St. Louis last week. It seats 3,000. Granted, they did two nights. But there were tickets available for the 2nd show. Please tell me how they made 1.5 million dollars from an audience of 3,000???????

They also just headlined bonaroo. For the third time. One of the biggest music festivals in the us. Probably only behind Coachella. So yes, they’re doing quite well. And have been for decades.

That. And unfortunately for you, you shouldn't have even had to make that post in the first place, because they actually played 2 nights in Chaifetz Arena, not the Steifel Theater. Maybe Trey Anastasio played a solo show at the Steifel recently, but I'm in too much a hurry to check right now. I guess the deception continues, lol...

[MrBlackwell]

Europe numbers?

[Blackwaterrisin]

A cool 1.5 MILLION a show? Really? Really? They just played the Steifel Theater in St. Louis last week. It seats 3,000. Granted, they did two nights. But there were tickets available for the 2nd show. Please tell me how they made 1.5 million dollars from an audience of 3,000???????

It was at the Chaifetz Arena for two nights...sold out both from what I heard.

[nibbler1982]

Europe numbers?

None yet Brother Black.

[PterCriss]

Elvis sold out and played to 17,000 plus in Buffalo, NY back in 1972. I little perspective helps when talking tickets sold and successful tours.

[peopleselbow]

August 6 starts leg 2 of the US Tour and the numbers look terrible. Tons of tickets available at most arenas.

[bassmansteiny]

Yes, good ol supply and demand pricing out the people who are supposed to be the lifeblood of the concert biz, the 15-25 crowd. Once these dinosaur acts are extinct, and the people on the back 9 of their lives turn their backs from attending any more shows, I suppose Ticketmaster (and those complicit) will finally come to a realization why younger people don't GAF about music like the older generations do. Glad I was born at the right time to catch great shows without spending an arm and a leg, but still young enough to watch it all go to shit first-hand....

I am glad I lived in the days when tickets were cheap and where you sat/stood depended on how early you showed up in line to wait. I have been in the very front of a Van Halen show back in the day, Sabbath with Dio, Alice Cooper, Metallica, and many others, all after waiting all day to get in. (Sadly circumstances prevented me from showing up early at those early KISS shows.)

At my age though, I am glad now that I can pay for the seat I want, show up whenever I want, and not get shoved around in the mosh pit anymore.

Seriously, more power to ya, but I can't justify paying $750 for anything lasting only a few hours, regardless of what my personal income is, with the possible exception of surgery

And it better be a damn good surgery at that! Maybe including a meet and greet with the doctor.

I'm with you - not spending $750 for anything as fleeting as a concert or sports event, but more power to those who would do so.

A meet and greet with the doctor!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA LMFAO!!!

While I will never bust anybody's balls for buying the high price tickets, meet n greets and ect. I wouldn't, even if I could afford too. I just couldn't justify spending that much on a concert even if I was a multimillionaire, lol. Hey each to their own though, I will never tell someone how to spend their money

I also miss the days of you stood in line and got your ticket, no lotteries, not online purchases. I don't know it just seemed more exciting, it was an adventure, Haha. I also miss the days of General Admission tickets when seeing KISS. I definitely get why they don't do it anymore and hey I guess I don't blame them. Just miss those days is all.

The Freedom to Rock Tour in Grand Rapids, I was able to get middle floor, Gene's side, two seats next aisle right by Paul's mini stage for a reasonable price.

Same Arena, on the first leg of the current tour, I ended up in the back of the upper bowl. It cost a little less than what i spent last time. I wish prices were a little cheaper so the average fan could afford a better seat but i wonder if how much KISS really has to do with setting the prices. I think it may be more a Live Nation/Ticketmaster situation with the prices. Of course I don't know for sure, that is just what I've heard from different sources.

[nibbler1982]

Yes, good ol supply and demand pricing out the people who are supposed to be the lifeblood of the concert biz, the 15-25 crowd. Once these dinosaur acts are extinct, and the people on the back 9 of their lives turn their backs from attending any more shows, I suppose Ticketmaster (and those complicit) will finally come to a realization why younger people don't GAF about music like the older generations do. Glad I was born at the right time to catch great shows without spending an arm and a leg, but still young enough to watch it all go to shit first-hand....

I am glad I lived in the days when tickets were cheap and where you sat/stood depended on how early you showed up in line to wait. I have been in the very front of a Van Halen show back in the day, Sabbath with Dio, Alice Cooper, Metallica, and many others, all after waiting all day to get in. (Sadly circumstances prevented me from showing up early at those early KISS shows.)

At my age though, I am glad now that I can pay for the seat I want, show up whenever I want, and not get shoved around in the mosh pit anymore.

Seriously, more power to ya, but I can't justify paying $750 for anything lasting only a few hours, regardless of what my personal income is, with the possible exception of surgery

And it better be a damn good surgery at that! Maybe including a meet and greet with the doctor.

I'm with you - not spending $750 for anything as fleeting as a concert or sports event, but more power to those who would do so.

A meet and greet with the doctor!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA LMFAO!!!

While I will never bust anybody's balls for buying the high price tickets, meet n greets and ect. I wouldn't, even if I could afford too. I just couldn't justify spending that much on a concert even if I was a multimillionaire, lol. Hey each to their own though, I will never tell someone how to spend their money

I also miss the days of you stood in line and got your ticket, no lotteries, not online purchases. I don't know it just seemed more exciting, it was an adventure, Haha. I also miss the days of General Admission tickets when seeing KISS. I definitely get why they don't do it anymore and hey I guess I don't blame them. Just miss those days is all.

The Freedom to Rock Tour in Grand Rapids, I was able to get middle floor, Gene's side, two seats next aisle right by Paul's mini stage for a reasonable price.

Same Arena, on the first leg of the current tour, I ended up in the back of the upper bowl. It cost a little less than what i spent last time. I wish prices were a little cheaper so the average fan could afford a better seat but i wonder if how much KISS really has to do with setting the prices. I think it may be more a Live Nation/Ticketmaster situation with the prices. Of course I don't know for sure, that is just what I've heard from different sources.

Ultimately ticket prices fall on the artist.

Once the guarantee is agreed upon the onus is on the promoter to find a way to get to that number.

If the band insists on a low guarantee tickets will assuredly also be lower.

[spiritof76]

Is Nibbler still pretending he knows what he is talking about? Really?

I can just see him, no shirt, counting dots, pretending he has a young girlfriend. What a life.

[nibbler1982]

Is Nibbler still pretending he knows what he is talking about? Really?

I can just see him, no shirt, counting dots, pretending he has a young girlfriend. What a life.

Welcome back who ever you are! If not I’m gonna start calling you Kreskin.

My shirt is usually off.

I love counting dots.

My current squeeze is 22 years younger than I.

[spiritof76]

Is Nibbler still pretending he knows what he is talking about? Really?

I can just see him, no shirt, counting dots, pretending he has a young girlfriend. What a life.

Welcome back who ever you are! If not I’m gonna start calling you Kreskin.

My shirt is usually off.

I love counting dots.

My current squeeze is 22 years younger than I.

I am a Ghost of Kiss boards past.

You are nothing if not predictable.

[nibbler1982]

Is Nibbler still pretending he knows what he is talking about? Really?

I can just see him, no shirt, counting dots, pretending he has a young girlfriend. What a life.

Welcome back who ever you are! If not I’m gonna start calling you Kreskin.

My shirt is usually off.

I love counting dots.

My current squeeze is 22 years younger than I.

I am a Ghost of Kiss boards past.

You are nothing if not predictable.

I’m the universal constant.

You’re damn right I’m predictable!

[The doctor]

Yes, good ol supply and demand pricing out the people who are supposed to be the lifeblood of the concert biz, the 15-25 crowd. Once these dinosaur acts are extinct, and the people on the back 9 of their lives turn their backs from attending any more shows, I suppose Ticketmaster (and those complicit) will finally come to a realization why younger people don't GAF about music like the older generations do. Glad I was born at the right time to catch great shows without spending an arm and a leg, but still young enough to watch it all go to shit first-hand....

I am glad I lived in the days when tickets were cheap and where you sat/stood depended on how early you showed up in line to wait. I have been in the very front of a Van Halen show back in the day, Sabbath with Dio, Alice Cooper, Metallica, and many others, all after waiting all day to get in. (Sadly circumstances prevented me from showing up early at those early KISS shows.)

At my age though, I am glad now that I can pay for the seat I want, show up whenever I want, and not get shoved around in the mosh pit anymore.

Seriously, more power to ya, but I can't justify paying $750 for anything lasting only a few hours, regardless of what my personal income is, with the possible exception of surgery

And it better be a damn good surgery at that! Maybe including a meet and greet with the doctor.

I'm with you - not spending $750 for anything as fleeting as a concert or sports event, but more power to those who would do so.

A meet and greet with the doctor!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA LMFAO!!!

Yeah!
HELLO (insert echo here) Hello hello.
Here I am!
With my knife I’ll make you run.
I've been waiting for the ambulance to come.

[Admin]

Last one from the first leg:

Mar. 20 - Scotiabank Arena, Toronto, ON, Canada
Reported audience: 14,078 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,170,196

Final stats:
Reported audience: 527,140 / 543,323 (97.02%)
Reported gross: $59,603,265
Average ticket: $113.07
Average audience: 11,969

[nibbler1982]

44 for 44

I love a complete set!!!

[Much Too Soon]

I’ll paraphrase for the usual haters..

🗣(((((“97% IS NOT SOLD OUT”

[redinthesky]

I’ll paraphrase for the usual haters..

🗣(((((“97% IS NOT SOLD OUT”

Thanks!

(BTW, 100 percent is sold out, not 97 percent, even first-graders know that )

[Much Too Soon]

Elvis sold out and played to 17,000 plus in Buffalo, NY back in 1972. I little perspective helps when talking tickets sold and successful tours.

That was in 72’ .... when musicians toured to support people actually BUYING their records.
And concert tickets were priced to move a light speed.
A quick sellout was used to market the record.

Today is different.

$113 per ticket and a 97% capacity is a phenomenal job at revenue management.

[Doose]

2019:
Reported audience: 527,140 / 543,323 (97.02%)
Reported gross: $59,603,265
Average ticket: $113.07
Average audience: 11,969
Shows: 44

1996:
Reported audience: 1,200,000
Reported Gross: $43,600,000
Average Audience: 13,043
Shows: 92

Source: https://variety.com/1996/scene/vpage/ye ... 117436237/

Less than half the # of shows, but $16 million more in gross ticket sales.

Audience is 1,000 on average less per show in 2019 vs. 1996, but if an arena is sold out, it's sold out. Could be the bigger stage show, playing smaller arenas (for example, in San Diego the arena they played is smaller than the SD Sports Arena they normally play), etc.

The numbers don't lie. EOTR is a huge success.

[PterCriss]

Elvis sold out and played to 17,000 plus in Buffalo, NY back in 1972. I little perspective helps when talking tickets sold and successful tours.

That was in 72’ .... when musicians toured to support people actually BUYING their records.
And concert tickets were priced to move a light speed.
A quick sellout was used to market the record.

Today is different.

$113 per ticket and a 97% capacity is a phenomenal job at revenue management.

What? Are you son of Nibb?

No one talked about gates receipts except carny's and wrestler promotors.

People still talk about the Beatles consecutive night sellouts, tickets sold at a venue and tickets sold on tour. Nothing has changed.

The value of the dollar in the 70's compared to today was a real thing and you can't go by the $8.50 cost per ticket.

No one talked about revenue management except you and Nibb because you only bring it up when a lower number of tickets were sold. Of course a tour or concert will make more money with tickets at $10 vs $113 ----
Don't play the stupid game.

[PterCriss]

2019:
Reported audience: 527,140 / 543,323 (97.02%)
Reported gross: $59,603,265
Average ticket: $113.07
Average audience: 11,969
Shows: 44

1996:
Reported audience: 1,200,000
Reported Gross: $43,600,000
Average Audience: 13,043
Shows: 92

Source: https://variety.com/1996/scene/vpage/ye ... 117436237/

Less than half the # of shows, but $16 million more in gross ticket sales.

Audience is 1,000 on average less per show in 2019 vs. 1996, but if an arena is sold out, it's sold out. Could be the bigger stage show, playing smaller arenas (for example, in San Diego the arena they played is smaller than the SD Sports Arena they normally play), etc.

The numbers don't lie. EOTR is a huge success.

It's making more in revenue because ticket prices are more then double what they were in 1996.

And 1996 Kiss could have packed more people into arenas if the arena held more people, you can't say that about 2019 Kiss.

[So Cruel]

2019:
Reported audience: 527,140 / 543,323 (97.02%)
Reported gross: $59,603,265
Average ticket: $113.07
Average audience: 11,969
Shows: 44

1996:
Reported audience: 1,200,000
Reported Gross: $43,600,000
Average Audience: 13,043
Shows: 92

Source: https://variety.com/1996/scene/vpage/ye ... 117436237/

Less than half the # of shows, but $16 million more in gross ticket sales.

Audience is 1,000 on average less per show in 2019 vs. 1996, but if an arena is sold out, it's sold out. Could be the bigger stage show, playing smaller arenas (for example, in San Diego the arena they played is smaller than the SD Sports Arena they normally play), etc.

The numbers don't lie. EOTR is a huge success.

And in 1996 they grossed a lot more then 1976. Inflation + the state of the concert industry for an aging fan base with more disposable income = more revenue in 2019 vs 1996.

In terms of popularity 1996 blows away all other years for Kiss.

[Doose]

$43,600,000 in 1996 is the equivalent of $69,778,000 today.

Over 92 shows that's $758,000 per show in today's dollars.

In 44 shows for EOTR, KISS is averaging $1,354,613. Almost double.

The Reunion was HUGE for the time - multiple nights, excitement, etc. But the numbers are still the numbers, and financially, EOTR is bigger, even taking into account the time value of money.

[Much Too Soon]

2019:
Reported audience: 527,140 / 543,323 (97.02%)
Reported gross: $59,603,265
Average ticket: $113.07
Average audience: 11,969
Shows: 44

1996:
Reported audience: 1,200,000
Reported Gross: $43,600,000
Average Audience: 13,043
Shows: 92

Source: https://variety.com/1996/scene/vpage/ye ... 117436237/

Less than half the # of shows, but $16 million more in gross ticket sales.

Audience is 1,000 on average less per show in 2019 vs. 1996, but if an arena is sold out, it's sold out. Could be the bigger stage show, playing smaller arenas (for example, in San Diego the arena they played is smaller than the SD Sports Arena they normally play), etc.

The numbers don't lie. EOTR is a huge success.

It's making more in revenue because ticket prices are more then double what they were in 1996.

And 1996 Kiss could have packed more people into arenas if the arena held more people, you can't say that about 2019 Kiss.

It’s a different world. The goal is to not “pack them in”. The goal is to sell the last ticket at showtime for as much as possible.

[Doose]

Here's some context. Billboard just reported the hottest May tours. Boy band BTS played 8 shows in May to 384,000 people and grossed $51,666,038.

Eight shows. Fifty-one million.

Metallica was next with 5 shows and $28.6 million.

Not a bad way to spend your May.

[nibbler1982]

Here's some context. Billboard just reported the hottest May tours. Boy band BTS played 8 shows in May to 384,000 people and grossed $51,666,038.

Eight shows. Fifty-one million.

Metallica was next with 5 shows and $28.6 million.

Not a bad way to spend your May.

I’m sure if I was stuck in an elevator for three hours with BTS I would have no clue.

[redinthesky]

2019:
Reported audience: 527,140 / 543,323 (97.02%)
Reported gross: $59,603,265
Average ticket: $113.07
Average audience: 11,969
Shows: 44

1996:
Reported audience: 1,200,000
Reported Gross: $43,600,000
Average Audience: 13,043
Shows: 92

Source: https://variety.com/1996/scene/vpage/ye ... 117436237/

Less than half the # of shows, but $16 million more in gross ticket sales.

Audience is 1,000 on average less per show in 2019 vs. 1996, but if an arena is sold out, it's sold out. Could be the bigger stage show, playing smaller arenas (for example, in San Diego the arena they played is smaller than the SD Sports Arena they normally play), etc.

The numbers don't lie. EOTR is a huge success.

It's making more in revenue because ticket prices are more then double what they were in 1996.

And 1996 Kiss could have packed more people into arenas if the arena held more people, you can't say that about 2019 Kiss.

It’s a different world. The goal is to not “pack them in”. The goal is to sell the last ticket at showtime for as much as possible.

Oh yeah, like the guy I saw buy a $750 ticket at ticketmaster.com for Nassau Coliseum for $250, just an hour before the show (and the ticket next to him went unsold), so yeah that's the plan, hope that tickets don't sell so we can get only a third of their initial cost later on (or nothing for an unsold one). So the goal was to get just $250 for two tickets that went on sale for $1500.

[PterCriss]

2019:
Reported audience: 527,140 / 543,323 (97.02%)
Reported gross: $59,603,265
Average ticket: $113.07
Average audience: 11,969
Shows: 44

1996:
Reported audience: 1,200,000
Reported Gross: $43,600,000
Average Audience: 13,043
Shows: 92

Source: https://variety.com/1996/scene/vpage/ye ... 117436237/

Less than half the # of shows, but $16 million more in gross ticket sales.

Audience is 1,000 on average less per show in 2019 vs. 1996, but if an arena is sold out, it's sold out. Could be the bigger stage show, playing smaller arenas (for example, in San Diego the arena they played is smaller than the SD Sports Arena they normally play), etc.

The numbers don't lie. EOTR is a huge success.

It's making more in revenue because ticket prices are more then double what they were in 1996.

And 1996 Kiss could have packed more people into arenas if the arena held more people, you can't say that about 2019 Kiss.

It’s a different world. The goal is to not “pack them in”. The goal is to sell the last ticket at showtime for as much as possible.

I get that on the big tours and even Live Nation Tours.

But what are you defending here? We all agree the concert industry is based on suck all the money you can from the people that can afford to go. That doesn't mean tickets sold don't matter and aren't used to tell the story.

Tickets sold are still the standard and the one thing that has stayed the same.

Billboard is just hyping the bands they want to promote and never do an Apples to Apples comparison.

[PterCriss]

2019:
Reported audience: 527,140 / 543,323 (97.02%)
Reported gross: $59,603,265
Average ticket: $113.07
Average audience: 11,969
Shows: 44

1996:
Reported audience: 1,200,000
Reported Gross: $43,600,000
Average Audience: 13,043
Shows: 92

Source: https://variety.com/1996/scene/vpage/ye ... 117436237/

Less than half the # of shows, but $16 million more in gross ticket sales.

Audience is 1,000 on average less per show in 2019 vs. 1996, but if an arena is sold out, it's sold out. Could be the bigger stage show, playing smaller arenas (for example, in San Diego the arena they played is smaller than the SD Sports Arena they normally play), etc.

The numbers don't lie. EOTR is a huge success.

It's making more in revenue because ticket prices are more then double what they were in 1996.

And 1996 Kiss could have packed more people into arenas if the arena held more people, you can't say that about 2019 Kiss.

It’s a different world. The goal is to not “pack them in”. The goal is to sell the last ticket at showtime for as much as possible.

Oh yeah, like the guy I saw buy a $750 ticket at ticketmaster.com for Nassau Coliseum for $250, just an hour before the show (and the ticket next to him went unsold), so yeah that's the plan, hope that tickets don't sell so we can get only a third of their initial cost later on (or nothing for an unsold one). So the goal was to get just $250 for two tickets that went on sale for $1500.

Red - I didn't go to my EOTR tour stop and take my 21 year old son because I couldn't afford to go. Period. Kiss / concert fans never claim how much they paid for concert tickets and are proud of how much money the band pulls in. Unless Nibbs has the table down front with his wine and cheese at the Heart / Joan Jett / Cheap Trick show, then his number counting makes no sense.

[highvoltage1969]

Here's some context. Billboard just reported the hottest May tours. Boy band BTS played 8 shows in May to 384,000 people and grossed $51,666,038.

Eight shows. Fifty-one million.

Metallica was next with 5 shows and $28.6 million.

Not a bad way to spend your May.

I’m sure if I was stuck in an elevator for three hours with BTS I would have no clue.

They'd be the ones with all the money.

[nibbler1982]

2019:
Reported audience: 527,140 / 543,323 (97.02%)
Reported gross: $59,603,265
Average ticket: $113.07
Average audience: 11,969
Shows: 44

1996:
Reported audience: 1,200,000
Reported Gross: $43,600,000
Average Audience: 13,043
Shows: 92

Source: https://variety.com/1996/scene/vpage/ye ... 117436237/

Less than half the # of shows, but $16 million more in gross ticket sales.

Audience is 1,000 on average less per show in 2019 vs. 1996, but if an arena is sold out, it's sold out. Could be the bigger stage show, playing smaller arenas (for example, in San Diego the arena they played is smaller than the SD Sports Arena they normally play), etc.

The numbers don't lie. EOTR is a huge success.

It's making more in revenue because ticket prices are more then double what they were in 1996.

And 1996 Kiss could have packed more people into arenas if the arena held more people, you can't say that about 2019 Kiss.

It’s a different world. The goal is to not “pack them in”. The goal is to sell the last ticket at showtime for as much as possible.

Oh yeah, like the guy I saw buy a $750 ticket at ticketmaster.com for Nassau Coliseum for $250, just an hour before the show (and the ticket next to him went unsold), so yeah that's the plan, hope that tickets don't sell so we can get only a third of their initial cost later on (or nothing for an unsold one). So the goal was to get just $250 for two tickets that went on sale for $1500.

Red - I didn't go to my EOTR tour stop and take my 21 year old son because I couldn't afford to go. Period. Kiss / concert fans never claim how much they paid for concert tickets and are proud of how much money the band pulls in. Unless Nibbs has the table down front with his wine and cheese at the Heart / Joan Jett / Cheap Trick show, then his number counting makes no sense.

I did enjoy that show very much. Jones Beach was pretty full too.

That was Live Nation’s surprise hit of 2016.

I mean they couldn't really draw money, but it was a great triple bill.

[redinthesky]

2019:
Reported audience: 527,140 / 543,323 (97.02%)
Reported gross: $59,603,265
Average ticket: $113.07
Average audience: 11,969
Shows: 44

1996:
Reported audience: 1,200,000
Reported Gross: $43,600,000
Average Audience: 13,043
Shows: 92

Source: https://variety.com/1996/scene/vpage/ye ... 117436237/

Less than half the # of shows, but $16 million more in gross ticket sales.

Audience is 1,000 on average less per show in 2019 vs. 1996, but if an arena is sold out, it's sold out. Could be the bigger stage show, playing smaller arenas (for example, in San Diego the arena they played is smaller than the SD Sports Arena they normally play), etc.

The numbers don't lie. EOTR is a huge success.

It's making more in revenue because ticket prices are more then double what they were in 1996.

And 1996 Kiss could have packed more people into arenas if the arena held more people, you can't say that about 2019 Kiss.

It’s a different world. The goal is to not “pack them in”. The goal is to sell the last ticket at showtime for as much as possible.

Oh yeah, like the guy I saw buy a $750 ticket at ticketmaster.com for Nassau Coliseum for $250, just an hour before the show (and the ticket next to him went unsold), so yeah that's the plan, hope that tickets don't sell so we can get only a third of their initial cost later on (or nothing for an unsold one). So the goal was to get just $250 for two tickets that went on sale for $1500.

Red - I didn't go to my EOTR tour stop and take my 21 year old son because I couldn't afford to go. Period. Kiss / concert fans never claim how much they paid for concert tickets and are proud of how much money the band pulls in. Unless Nibbs has the table down front with his wine and cheese at the Heart / Joan Jett / Cheap Trick show, then his number counting makes no sense.

Am sorry to hear you guys didn't get to go. Maybe nearby on another leg hopefully. I'll give another example of what I'm talking about. I'm considering seeing Barry Manilow as he's doing like 20 shows give or take, in July and August at a Broadway theater. It's selling like shit, plenty of seats for each show, and already the prices for every single seat have gone down. It didn't seem to help much, so I'm sure they'll go down again. Thing is, it's a small place, so every seat is good, so every seat was pricey. It didn't work. People didn't buy in droves. And I'm sure not a single person who's making money off those shows has said, "Awesome! We didn't sell tickets out of the gate, so we had to lower the price, and probably wlll again!"

With Kiss, Barclay's in Brooklyn is selling horribly, so it's a good bet tickets will go down as the show approaches. Same thing, I'm sure no one is going to be saying, "This is great! We'll get 50% of what we initially charged!" If they go down enough there, as I can just walk to the place, I'll even consider buying. But yes, I hope you guys can make it to a show definitely.

[Doose]

Here's some context. Billboard just reported the hottest May tours. Boy band BTS played 8 shows in May to 384,000 people and grossed $51,666,038.

Eight shows. Fifty-one million.

Metallica was next with 5 shows and $28.6 million.

Not a bad way to spend your May.

I’m sure if I was stuck in an elevator for three hours with BTS I would have no clue.

They'd be the ones with all the money.

That made me lol.

[PterCriss]

2019:
Reported audience: 527,140 / 543,323 (97.02%)
Reported gross: $59,603,265
Average ticket: $113.07
Average audience: 11,969
Shows: 44

1996:
Reported audience: 1,200,000
Reported Gross: $43,600,000
Average Audience: 13,043
Shows: 92

Source: https://variety.com/1996/scene/vpage/ye ... 117436237/

Less than half the # of shows, but $16 million more in gross ticket sales.

Audience is 1,000 on average less per show in 2019 vs. 1996, but if an arena is sold out, it's sold out. Could be the bigger stage show, playing smaller arenas (for example, in San Diego the arena they played is smaller than the SD Sports Arena they normally play), etc.

The numbers don't lie. EOTR is a huge success.

It's making more in revenue because ticket prices are more then double what they were in 1996.

And 1996 Kiss could have packed more people into arenas if the arena held more people, you can't say that about 2019 Kiss.

It’s a different world. The goal is to not “pack them in”. The goal is to sell the last ticket at showtime for as much as possible.

Oh yeah, like the guy I saw buy a $750 ticket at ticketmaster.com for Nassau Coliseum for $250, just an hour before the show (and the ticket next to him went unsold), so yeah that's the plan, hope that tickets don't sell so we can get only a third of their initial cost later on (or nothing for an unsold one). So the goal was to get just $250 for two tickets that went on sale for $1500.

Red - I didn't go to my EOTR tour stop and take my 21 year old son because I couldn't afford to go. Period. Kiss / concert fans never claim how much they paid for concert tickets and are proud of how much money the band pulls in. Unless Nibbs has the table down front with his wine and cheese at the Heart / Joan Jett / Cheap Trick show, then his number counting makes no sense.

Am sorry to hear you guys didn't get to go. Maybe nearby on another leg hopefully. I'll give another example of what I'm talking about. I'm considering seeing Barry Manilow as he's doing like 20 shows give or take, in July and August at a Broadway theater. It's selling like shit, plenty of seats for each show, and already the prices for every single seat have gone down. It didn't seem to help much, so I'm sure they'll go down again. Thing is, it's a small place, so every seat is good, so every seat was pricey. It didn't work. People didn't buy in droves. And I'm sure not a single person who's making money off those shows has said, "Awesome! We didn't sell tickets out of the gate, so we had to lower the price, and probably wlll again!"

With Kiss, Barclay's in Brooklyn is selling horribly, so it's a good bet tickets will go down as the show approaches. Same thing, I'm sure no one is going to be saying, "This is great! We'll get 50% of what we initially charged!" If they go down enough there, as I can just walk to the place, I'll even consider buying. But yes, I hope you guys can make it to a show definitely.

They are coming back around so we will try again.

[Vandelay Industries]

2019:
Reported audience: 527,140 / 543,323 (97.02%)
Reported gross: $59,603,265
Average ticket: $113.07
Average audience: 11,969
Shows: 44

1996:
Reported audience: 1,200,000
Reported Gross: $43,600,000
Average Audience: 13,043
Shows: 92

Source: https://variety.com/1996/scene/vpage/ye ... 117436237/

Less than half the # of shows, but $16 million more in gross ticket sales.

Audience is 1,000 on average less per show in 2019 vs. 1996, but if an arena is sold out, it's sold out. Could be the bigger stage show, playing smaller arenas (for example, in San Diego the arena they played is smaller than the SD Sports Arena they normally play), etc.

The numbers don't lie. EOTR is a huge success.

It's making more in revenue because ticket prices are more then double what they were in 1996.

And 1996 Kiss could have packed more people into arenas if the arena held more people, you can't say that about 2019 Kiss.

It’s a different world. The goal is to not “pack them in”. The goal is to sell the last ticket at showtime for as much as possible.

Oh yeah, like the guy I saw buy a $750 ticket at ticketmaster.com for Nassau Coliseum for $250, just an hour before the show (and the ticket next to him went unsold), so yeah that's the plan, hope that tickets don't sell so we can get only a third of their initial cost later on (or nothing for an unsold one). So the goal was to get just $250 for two tickets that went on sale for $1500.

It's funny he keeps trotting that line, considering it doesn't quite mean what he thinks it means

[Doose]

Imagine if KISS had done Meet & Greet packages on the Alive/Worldwide Tour.

[nibbler1982]

Imagine if KISS had done Meet & Greet packages on the Alive/Worldwide Tour.

I’d love to know what the M&G total is when this tour is through.

[Much Too Soon]

2019:
Reported audience: 527,140 / 543,323 (97.02%)
Reported gross: $59,603,265
Average ticket: $113.07
Average audience: 11,969
Shows: 44

1996:
Reported audience: 1,200,000
Reported Gross: $43,600,000
Average Audience: 13,043
Shows: 92

Source: https://variety.com/1996/scene/vpage/ye ... 117436237/

Less than half the # of shows, but $16 million more in gross ticket sales.

Audience is 1,000 on average less per show in 2019 vs. 1996, but if an arena is sold out, it's sold out. Could be the bigger stage show, playing smaller arenas (for example, in San Diego the arena they played is smaller than the SD Sports Arena they normally play), etc.

The numbers don't lie. EOTR is a huge success.

It's making more in revenue because ticket prices are more then double what they were in 1996.

And 1996 Kiss could have packed more people into arenas if the arena held more people, you can't say that about 2019 Kiss.

It’s a different world. The goal is to not “pack them in”. The goal is to sell the last ticket at showtime for as much as possible.

I get that on the big tours and even Live Nation Tours.

But what are you defending here? We all agree the concert industry is based on suck all the money you can from the people that can afford to go. That doesn't mean tickets sold don't matter and aren't used to tell the story.

Tickets sold are still the standard and the one thing that has stayed the same.

Billboard is just hyping the bands they want to promote and never do an Apples to Apples comparison.

Defending nothing..... just splainin’ that’s all.

[Much Too Soon]

2019:
Reported audience: 527,140 / 543,323 (97.02%)
Reported gross: $59,603,265
Average ticket: $113.07
Average audience: 11,969
Shows: 44

1996:
Reported audience: 1,200,000
Reported Gross: $43,600,000
Average Audience: 13,043
Shows: 92

[PterCriss]

Did the last three posters just have a make out session? Oh my!