New EOTR Boxscores

[AxlisKing]

This is not an anti-band comment, but there pockets of empty seats in at least a half dozen sections. I'm not sure how they can call that one a sell out. I'd say it was 90-95% full.

[GermanKissFan]

Or the new one...



https://www.amazon.com/KISS-Tour-2019-J ... 0999776584

Julian, will the new edition also be published as hardcover? I like to collect all your book's editions but almost 800 pages as a paperback is not a good idea...

[Admin]

No, hardcovers are not possible anymore. This was the recommended method by the printer.

[acefan1975]

KISS - Fiserv Forum, Milwaukee, WI
Reported audience: 9,663 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,185,069

Wow, seating capacity is almost double that for concerts (18,000).

https://populous.com/populous-designed- ... -nba-debut



They are really giving up a lot of potential ticket sales to fit that stage into these arenas.

Totally agree. This number seems way off for a sell out at a large, NBA arena. Even with a big production they should be able to fit 12K plus in there...

[nibbler1982]

KISS - Fiserv Forum, Milwaukee, WI
Reported audience: 9,663 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,185,069

Wow, seating capacity is almost double that for concerts (18,000).

https://populous.com/populous-designed- ... -nba-debut



They are really giving up a lot of potential ticket sales to fit that stage into these arenas.

Totally agree. This number seems way off for a sell out at a large, NBA arena. Even with a big production they should be able to fit 12K plus in there...

There are all kinds of configurations in the end stage setup.

Michael Buble sold that venue out with a little less than 7,000.

Michael Buble
BMO Harris Bradley Center
Milwaukee, Wis.
July 27, 2014
$567,252
6,911 / 6,911

[AxlisKing]

They were selling side stage seats in sections 210-211 and 219-220 and they were selling well. If they were selling those, how in the world would they have less than 10k in an 18k seat arena?

[acefan1975]

KISS - Fiserv Forum, Milwaukee, WI
Reported audience: 9,663 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,185,069

Wow, seating capacity is almost double that for concerts (18,000).

https://populous.com/populous-designed- ... -nba-debut



They are really giving up a lot of potential ticket sales to fit that stage into these arenas.

Totally agree. This number seems way off for a sell out at a large, NBA arena. Even with a big production they should be able to fit 12K plus in there...

There are all kinds of configurations in the end stage setup.

Michael Buble sold that venue out with a little less than 7,000.

Michael Buble
BMO Harris Bradley Center
Milwaukee, Wis.
July 27, 2014
$567,252
6,911 / 6,911

Fair enough. Good numbers and a high average ticket price...

[CStomp1]

KISS - Fiserv Forum, Milwaukee, WI
Reported audience: 9,663 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,185,069

Wow, seating capacity is almost double that for concerts (18,000).

https://populous.com/populous-designed- ... -nba-debut



They are really giving up a lot of potential ticket sales to fit that stage into these arenas.

Totally agree. This number seems way off for a sell out at a large, NBA arena. Even with a big production they should be able to fit 12K plus in there...

There are all kinds of configurations in the end stage setup.

Michael Buble sold that venue out with a little less than 7,000.

Michael Buble
BMO Harris Bradley Center
Milwaukee, Wis.
July 27, 2014
$567,252
6,911 / 6,911

Fair enough. Good numbers and a high average ticket price...

Wait, I think you're talking two different venues. The Fiserv Forum is the brand new arena that replaced the Bradley Center. My guess is their capacities are similar, though.

[nibbler1982]

KISS - Fiserv Forum, Milwaukee, WI
Reported audience: 9,663 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,185,069

Wow, seating capacity is almost double that for concerts (18,000).

https://populous.com/populous-designed- ... -nba-debut



They are really giving up a lot of potential ticket sales to fit that stage into these arenas.

Totally agree. This number seems way off for a sell out at a large, NBA arena. Even with a big production they should be able to fit 12K plus in there...

There are all kinds of configurations in the end stage setup.

Michael Buble sold that venue out with a little less than 7,000.

Michael Buble
BMO Harris Bradley Center
Milwaukee, Wis.
July 27, 2014
$567,252
6,911 / 6,911

Fair enough. Good numbers and a high average ticket price...

Wait, I think you're talking two different venues. The Fiserv Forum is the brand new arena that replaced the Bradley Center. My guess is their capacities are similar, though.

True. I do believe the Fiserv is technically smaller than the BMO.

[Crown Royal]

KISS - Fiserv Forum, Milwaukee, WI
Reported audience: 9,663 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,185,069

Wow, seating capacity is almost double that for concerts (18,000).

https://populous.com/populous-designed- ... -nba-debut



They are really giving up a lot of potential ticket sales to fit that stage into these arenas.

Totally agree. This number seems way off for a sell out at a large, NBA arena. Even with a big production they should be able to fit 12K plus in there...

There are all kinds of configurations in the end stage setup.



Michael Buble sold that venue out with a little less than 7,000.

Michael Buble
BMO Harris Bradley Center
Milwaukee, Wis.
July 27, 2014
$567,252
6,911 / 6,911

That's great...but does the fact we're talking about two different buildings here play a factor?

[aceshigh]

I remember Paul being upset by numbers as low as 6911? That is very low imo. Did he order the crowd a pizza?

[FlamingRuth]

Did the Glendale numbers slip by me? I check every other day or so but haven't seen anything yet.

[nibbler1982]

Did the Glendale numbers slip by me? I check every other day or so but haven't seen anything yet.

Nothing yet. Truth of the matter is we may never get one. The good news is it’s still early in the game.

I am happy the the Spokane numbers just came up. That one was from even before Glendale. I’ve been watching boxscores forever. Sometimes there’s no rhyme or reason to the timing of their release. I’ve even seen them pop up as far as 6-9 months after a show. From earlier in the tour we’re still missing San Diego and the aforementioned Gila River Arena.

Let’s keep our fingers crossed.

[metaldad]

I remember Paul being upset by numbers as low as 6911? That is very low imo. Did he order the crowd a pizza?

[FlamingRuth]

Did the Glendale numbers slip by me? I check every other day or so but haven't seen anything yet.

Nothing yet. Truth of the matter is we may never get one. The good news is it’s still early in the game.

I am happy the the Spokane numbers just came up. That one was from even before Glendale. I’ve been watching boxscores forever. Sometimes there’s no rhyme or reason to the timing of their release. I’ve even seen them pop up as far as 6-9 months after a show. From earlier in the tour we’re still missing San Diego and the aforementioned Gila River Arena.

Let’s keep our fingers crossed.

Alright, thank you. I didn't realize San Diego was still missing, too. I'll keep checking.

[battra]

KISS - Spokane Arena, Spokane, WA
Reported audience: 7,241 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $634,166

Must be the lowest per ticket price so far. Under 88 bucks a ticket...those were more like the averages I was expecting before the tour started...

That's also a small number of seats.

I know the Spokane Whatnots of the AFL used to play there...didn't seem like that tiny of a box when they were on TV.

Wiki shows this: 12,638 for end-stage concerts

Home of the Spokane Chiefs of the WHL... 10K for hockey.

Seems strange for a box to have more seats for an end stage than a hockey game, unless the place is like The Mark of the Quad Cities (Or whatever it's called now) that has a horseshoe.

So.... I pulled this up.



No upper end seating. The 12K figure must before when the seats behind the stage are sold too. Still though, seems odd to lose 30% of the seats for a sellout doesn't it?

[nibbler1982]

KISS - Spokane Arena, Spokane, WA
Reported audience: 7,241 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $634,166

Must be the lowest per ticket price so far. Under 88 bucks a ticket...those were more like the averages I was expecting before the tour started...

That's also a small number of seats.

I know the Spokane Whatnots of the AFL used to play there...didn't seem like that tiny of a box when they were on TV.

Wiki shows this: 12,638 for end-stage concerts

Home of the Spokane Chiefs of the WHL... 10K for hockey.

Seems strange for a box to have more seats for an end stage than a hockey game, unless the place is like The Mark of the Quad Cities (Or whatever it's called now) that has a horseshoe.

So.... I pulled this up.



No upper end seating. The 12K figure must before when the seats behind the stage are sold too. Still though, seems odd to lose 30% of the seats for a sellout doesn't it?

Not odd at all.

Of course there’s a ton of variables, but a good rule of thumb is to cut off a third of the venue for an end stage configuration.

[battra]

KISS - Spokane Arena, Spokane, WA
Reported audience: 7,241 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $634,166

Must be the lowest per ticket price so far. Under 88 bucks a ticket...those were more like the averages I was expecting before the tour started...

That's also a small number of seats.

I know the Spokane Whatnots of the AFL used to play there...didn't seem like that tiny of a box when they were on TV.

Wiki shows this: 12,638 for end-stage concerts

Home of the Spokane Chiefs of the WHL... 10K for hockey.

Seems strange for a box to have more seats for an end stage than a hockey game, unless the place is like The Mark of the Quad Cities (Or whatever it's called now) that has a horseshoe.

So.... I pulled this up.



No upper end seating. The 12K figure must before when the seats behind the stage are sold too. Still though, seems odd to lose 30% of the seats for a sellout doesn't it?

Not odd at all.

Of course there’s a ton of variables, but a good rule of thumb is to cut off a third of the venue for an end stage configuration.

Sorry, I meant it seems odd based on this arena's configuration. Without having the upper deck seating.

That's why it seems odd.

I am assuming that upper deck sections would be sold all the way to the edge though...and those might be blacked out.

[nibbler1982]

KISS - Spokane Arena, Spokane, WA
Reported audience: 7,241 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $634,166

Must be the lowest per ticket price so far. Under 88 bucks a ticket...those were more like the averages I was expecting before the tour started...

That's also a small number of seats.

I know the Spokane Whatnots of the AFL used to play there...didn't seem like that tiny of a box when they were on TV.

Wiki shows this: 12,638 for end-stage concerts

Home of the Spokane Chiefs of the WHL... 10K for hockey.

Seems strange for a box to have more seats for an end stage than a hockey game, unless the place is like The Mark of the Quad Cities (Or whatever it's called now) that has a horseshoe.

So.... I pulled this up.



No upper end seating. The 12K figure must before when the seats behind the stage are sold too. Still though, seems odd to lose 30% of the seats for a sellout doesn't it?

Not odd at all.

Of course there’s a ton of variables, but a good rule of thumb is to cut off a third of the venue for an end stage configuration.

Sorry, I meant it seems odd based on this arena's configuration. Without having the upper deck seating.

That's why it seems odd.

I am assuming that upper deck sections would be sold all the way to the edge though...and those might be blacked out.

Again there are many variables, and each case is different.

Although the Spokane Arena does seem to have a set sellout configuration in the capacity of 7,241 which KISS sold it out in.

As you can see from this boxscore here.

blink-182
Spokane Arena
Spokane, Wash.
Sept. 16, 2016
$410,546
6,867 / 7,241

[metaldad]

I seriously don’t know how Blink - 182 draws 100 people
Hot Topic / Mall Rock

[battra]

Again there are many variables, and each case is different.

Although the Spokane Arena does seem to have a set sellout configuration in the capacity of 7,241 which KISS sold it out in.

As you can see from this boxscore here.

blink-182
Spokane Arena
Spokane, Wash.
Sept. 16, 2016
$410,546
6,867 / 7,241

I'm sure like every arena out there, they have several configurations.

Not doubting anything, just seemed like a low number to me based on what I knew of the arena, so I did a little research.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[nibbler1982]

Again there are many variables, and each case is different.

Although the Spokane Arena does seem to have a set sellout configuration in the capacity of 7,241 which KISS sold it out in.

As you can see from this boxscore here.

blink-182
Spokane Arena
Spokane, Wash.
Sept. 16, 2016
$410,546
6,867 / 7,241

I'm sure like every arena out there, they have several configurations.

Not doubting anything, just seemed like a low number to me based on what I knew of the arena, so I did a little research.

Nothing more, nothing less.

The fact you did any due diligence at all surpasses 95% of the masses.

A more in depth reconnaissance elaborates on your comment and shows us there actually is a configuration in Spokane that sells out in the capacity of 7,241.

[Admin]

KISS - Viejas Arena, San Diego, CA
Reported audience: 7,521 / 7,825 (96.12%)
Reported gross: $876,677

[nibbler1982]

Another stellar boxscore from California.

I can’t explain it.

[Much Too Soon]

I betcha the few hundred seats from a sellout are the late released side seats. Wonder how to find out.

[nibbler1982]

I betcha the few hundred seats from a sellout are the late released side seats. Wonder how to find out.

You’re probably right.

However...

[simmons & stanley]

The tour is doing great.So much for' They need a really good opener' or 'Tickets are too expensive' for it to sell well.Im sure if they tour was sufferering,we would not hear the end of it,but it's doing great..and it's pretty hush as far as that goes.Kiss wins yet again.

[soeuropean]

oooooooooo yeeeah

[Mr Slow]

The tour is doing great.So much for' They need a really good opener' or 'Tickets are too expensive' for it to sell well.Im sure if they tour was sufferering,we would not hear the end of it,but it's doing great..and it's pretty hush as far as that goes.Kiss wins yet again.

Yep, the nay sayers will keep telling us they’re doomed and KISS will keep drawing good numbers right til the end. #wewon.

[battra]

Again there are many variables, and each case is different.

Although the Spokane Arena does seem to have a set sellout configuration in the capacity of 7,241 which KISS sold it out in.

As you can see from this boxscore here.

blink-182
Spokane Arena
Spokane, Wash.
Sept. 16, 2016
$410,546
6,867 / 7,241

I'm sure like every arena out there, they have several configurations.

Not doubting anything, just seemed like a low number to me based on what I knew of the arena, so I did a little research.

Nothing more, nothing less.

The fact you did any due diligence at all surpasses 95% of the masses.

A more in depth reconnaissance elaborates on your comment and shows us there actually is a configuration in Spokane that sells out in the capacity of 7,241.

There's probably a configuration that has a 3,000 sellout too.

I say this because I'm seeing The Monkees at the St. Charles Family Arena located conveniently away from any public transportation facilities and the configuration in this 10,000 seat arena is only for 3,000.

[acefan1975]

The tour is doing great.So much for' They need a really good opener' or 'Tickets are too expensive' for it to sell well.Im sure if they tour was sufferering,we would not hear the end of it,but it's doing great..and it's pretty hush as far as that goes.Kiss wins yet again.

Pretty hush? Come on there are dozens of threads on here calling people haters because the tour is doing so well. I agree if it was bombing there would be people calling that out too, and I’m sure there are people waiting anxiously to see how the 2nd US leg does.

[Splitbackveer]

Got any Memphis numbers?

[Crown Royal]

#wewon.

wow

It seems for some people, "pretending to be twelve" would be a difficult step forward

[Crown Royal]

The tour is doing great.So much for' They need a really good opener' or 'Tickets are too expensive' for it to sell well.Im sure if they tour was sufferering,we would not hear the end of it,but it's doing great..and it's pretty hush as far as that goes.Kiss wins yet again.

A thread a few months ago asked for our predictions on how the tour would do. I predicted in the 10,000-12,000 average for the shows. I predicted that because this tour would do well, but not "gangbusters"

What do I win?

[Admin]

KISS - CHI Health Center Omaha, Omaha, NE
Reported audience: 12,730 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,101,669

[necronomicon]

Is that the lowest average ticket price of the tour?

[necronomicon]

Also Julian I noticed that the Fresno and Sacramento box scores aren't in the initial post

[Thunderous_Lay]

KISS - CHI Health Center Omaha, Omaha, NE
Reported audience: 12,730 **SOLD-OUT
Reported gross: $1,101,669

Semper anticus.

[nibbler1982]

Also Julian I noticed that the Fresno and Sacramento box scores aren't in the initial post

I’ve been keeping an easy to read tally in this thread.

http://www.kissfaq.com/forum18/viewtopi ... 7&start=80

[redinthesky]

The tour is doing great.So much for' They need a really good opener' or 'Tickets are too expensive' for it to sell well.Im sure if they tour was sufferering,we would not hear the end of it,but it's doing great..and it's pretty hush as far as that goes.Kiss wins yet again.

A thread a few months ago asked for our predictions on how the tour would do. I predicted in the 10,000-12,000 average for the shows. I predicted that because this tour would do well, but not "gangbusters"

What do I win?

The funny thing is, Kiss gambled on the "final tour" thing and yes, they indeed won their gamble, the first leg is going nicely, but they were also smart. You look at the schedule, there's been pretty much no room for added second nights. So even the band themselves knew the tour wasn't going to do gangbusters and they wouldn't need to add any dates to accommodate any particularly big demand.

[acefan1975]

Is that the lowest average ticket price of the tour?

Spokane might have been lower, but its without a doubt near the bottom...

[necronomicon]

Also Julian I noticed that the Fresno and Sacramento box scores aren't in the initial post

I’ve been keeping an easy to read tally in this thread.

http://www.kissfaq.com/forum18/viewtopi ... 7&start=80

Ahhhh! Thank you!

[nibbler1982]

Is that the lowest average ticket price of the tour?

Spokane might have been lower, but its without a doubt near the bottom...

Spokane $87.58
Omaha $86.54

[KF73]

The tour is doing great.So much for' They need a really good opener' or 'Tickets are too expensive' for it to sell well.Im sure if they tour was sufferering,we would not hear the end of it,but it's doing great..and it's pretty hush as far as that goes.Kiss wins yet again.

Keeping it real here... I love Kiss... I'm team Kiss... BUT this is the first leg of the tour that's kicking ass. Let's see how that second US leg in August/Sept goes. Not looking too hot so far but a lot of time left. Along with Jacksonville this leg, I will be hitting the Fort Lauderdale show to kick off the second leg. JAX will be packed but FLL not looking too hot. Reminds of the Farwell Tour where they packed the south shows on the first leg. Came back through in August and I caught the Biloxi show where they pulled maybe 4,000 tops in an arena that normaly hold 11k+ for concerts.

[soeuropean]

Second leg will sell well. It’s a farewell tour. It’ll do fine.

[nibbler1982]

The tour is doing great.So much for' They need a really good opener' or 'Tickets are too expensive' for it to sell well.Im sure if they tour was sufferering,we would not hear the end of it,but it's doing great..and it's pretty hush as far as that goes.Kiss wins yet again.

Keeping it real here... I love Kiss... I'm team Kiss... BUT this is the first leg of the tour that's kicking ass. Let's see how that second US leg in August/Sept goes. Not looking too hot so far but a lot of time left. Along with Jacksonville this leg, I will be hitting the Fort Lauderdale show to kick off the second leg. JAX will be packed but FLL not looking too hot. Reminds of the Farwell Tour where they packed the south shows on the first leg. Came back through in August and I caught the Biloxi show where they pulled maybe 4,000 tops in an arena that normaly hold 11k+ for concerts.

The numbers will assuredly diminish. It’s the nature of the beast. That doesn’t mean it’s not a viable stop on the tour. The numbers may dwindle, but it’ll still be profitable. Just not as much as earlier in the tour. Will the numbers ever get this bad?

KISS, Ted Nugent, Skid Row
August 21, 2000
Biloxi, MS
Mississippi Coast Coliseum
4,219 / 15,000 (28.13%)
$179,308

I hope not.

Not to menu they had Skid Row and Uncle Ted on the marquee to boot!

[KF73]

The tour is doing great.So much for' They need a really good opener' or 'Tickets are too expensive' for it to sell well.Im sure if they tour was sufferering,we would not hear the end of it,but it's doing great..and it's pretty hush as far as that goes.Kiss wins yet again.

Keeping it real here... I love Kiss... I'm team Kiss... BUT this is the first leg of the tour that's kicking ass. Let's see how that second US leg in August/Sept goes. Not looking too hot so far but a lot of time left. Along with Jacksonville this leg, I will be hitting the Fort Lauderdale show to kick off the second leg. JAX will be packed but FLL not looking too hot. Reminds of the Farwell Tour where they packed the south shows on the first leg. Came back through in August and I caught the Biloxi show where they pulled maybe 4,000 tops in an arena that normaly hold 11k+ for concerts.

The numbers will assuredly diminish. It’s the nature of the beast. That doesn’t mean it’s not a viable stop on the tour. The numbers may dwindle, but it’ll still be profitable. Just not as much as earlier in the tour. Will the numbers ever get this bad?

KISS, Ted Nugent, Skid Row
August 21, 2000
Biloxi, MS
Mississippi Coast Coliseum
4,219 / 15,000 (28.13%)
$179,308

I hope not.

Not to menu they had Skid Row and Uncle Ted on the marquee to boot!

That was strange. I remember talking to somebody with the crew and they were baffled at the attendance in Biloxi. They even moved the stage forward that night to make the arena look more full. Which turned our awesome seats to crap because we were practically behind the drum riser once they moved it. They had to move us to different seats.

[metaldad]

Second leg will sell well. It’s a farewell tour. It’ll do fine.

Then people better start buying tickets
You can have your pick anywhere

[Crown Royal]

Box office data for 12 concerts has been reported so far for the Live Nation-promoted run. The tour’s sellout debut at Vancouver’s Rogers Arena in late January sold 13,373 tickets and grossed $1.4 million. Combined box office revenue from the tour’s early shows totals $14.6 million with 139,243 sold tickets, amounting to per-show averages of $1.2 million grossed and 11,603 tickets sold. On Feb. 2, the Tacoma Dome in Tacoma, Wash., one of North America’s largest arenas, hosted the biggest crowd of the 12 venues that have reported KISS box office data, with 14,578 tickets sold. Yet the top-grosser was the Feb. 16 sellout show at The Forum in Inglewood, Calif., which grossed $1.8 million – surpassing the Tacoma show by $171,161, despite selling nearly 1,000 fewer tickets.

https://www.pollstar.com/article/boxoff ... urs-137505

[nibbler1982]

A bunch of new boxscores are in. At the moment I don’t have time to post them individually. Enjoy.

https://www.billboard.com/biz/current-boxscore