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After 39 years this is news to me.

Not sure if this has been discussed here but did anyone else realize that not only is Paul's '78 sculpt a Daryl Dragon head from Capt and Tenille, but Peter's head is actually leftovers from Gene Hackman's Lex Luther?

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It's deja vu all over again. :)

Poster 67321 was talking about this in the New Kiss Figures Suck thread. Pretty wild though.
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That looks nothing like Gene Hackman.
Neither looks like Peter.
But both are cool figures 8)
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I guess the part I find most amazing is that there was a Captain & Tenille doll of Daryl Dragon!!

And yeah, that face looks absolutely nothing like Gene Hackman!
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sneed78 wrote:
I GOT ALL THIS INFO FROM 67321.

After 39 years this is news to me.

Not sure if this has been discussed here but did anyone else realize that not only is Paul's '78 sculpt a Daryl Dragon head from Capt and Tenille, but Peter's head is actually leftovers from Gene Hackman's Lex Luther?

Compare the two:
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Mind. Blown.

Here's more discussion about it:

http://megomuseum.com/community/showthr ... Lex-Luthor
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chriszilla wrote:I guess the part I find most amazing is that there was a Captain & Tenille doll of Daryl Dragon!!

And yeah, that face looks absolutely nothing like Gene Hackman!
No doubt, same here. I would have never guessed there was such a thing until I read this thread and Googled the dolls.

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chriszilla wrote:I guess the part I find most amazing is that there was a Captain & Tenille doll of Daryl Dragon!!

And yeah, that face looks absolutely nothing like Gene Hackman!
Is it verified that this Lex was based on Gene Hackman? (I skimmed the post and didn't see any confirmation. Just that the Superman movie was out around this time.)

Judging by the uniform it looks based off of the Super friends version of LL.
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It actually looks more like Peter Criss (with the makeup) than Gene Hackman... Not that it looks a lot like either one.
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The most surprising thing to me about all of this is...that they actually made Capatain & Tennille dolls!
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That is hilarious. I didn't know there Was a "Gene Hackman Lex" by Mego - I guess I never looked close enough at the DC side of the line, not wanting to own them. I had my Mego Spidey and some Mego Trek characters and that was the extent of my collection. I found out just now that there was even a "Marlon Brando Jor-El," too! (Unofficially, of course, since they hadn't paid for the rights to market them as movie tie-ins.)

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So my big question now - Is even Ace's head an original or is it just another repurposed mold? Is that Sue Richards under the mask?
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KISSFACE wrote:So my big question now - Is even Ace's head an original or is it just another repurposed mold? Is that Sue Richards under the mask?
Gene & Ace both are indeed original.
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67321 wrote:
KISSFACE wrote:So my big question now - Is even Ace's head an original or is it just another repurposed mold? Is that Sue Richards under the mask?
Gene & Ace both are indeed original.
Yea. Definitely Gene.
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Allamericanman wrote:
67321 wrote:
KISSFACE wrote:So my big question now - Is even Ace's head an original or is it just another repurposed mold? Is that Sue Richards under the mask?
Gene & Ace both are indeed original.
Yea. Definitely Gene.
Ace' too. The tilt, the closed eye look, the Adams Apple.
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So....The Catman is the greatest criminal mind of our time?
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His Majesty wrote:So....The Catman is the greatest criminal mind of our time?
Probably. He did want to be a gangster had he lived in the 20s, remember. No worries though...he would have given the money to the poor
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Hotter Than Heck wrote:
His Majesty wrote:So....The Catman is the greatest criminal mind of our time?
Probably. He did want to be a gangster had he lived in the 20s, remember. No worries though...he would have given the money to the poor
Haha.. fuckin' classic! I love that part from the Tomorrow show.

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67321 wrote:
Allamericanman wrote:
67321 wrote:
KISSFACE wrote:So my big question now - Is even Ace's head an original or is it just another repurposed mold? Is that Sue Richards under the mask?
Gene & Ace both are indeed original.
Yea. Definitely Gene.
Ace' too. The tilt, the closed eye look, the Adams Apple.
Yep the Adam's apple kinda kept me from searching for pics of the Farrah Fawcett doll to prove it was Ace... :bom: :drunken:
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sneed78 wrote:
67321 wrote:
Allamericanman wrote:
67321 wrote:
KISSFACE wrote:So my big question now - Is even Ace's head an original or is it just another repurposed mold? Is that Sue Richards under the mask?
Gene & Ace both are indeed original.
Yea. Definitely Gene.
Ace' too. The tilt, the closed eye look, the Adams Apple.
Yep the Adam's apple kinda kept me from searching for pics of the Farrah Fawcett doll to prove it was Ace... :bom: :drunken:
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His Majesty wrote:So....The Catman is the greatest criminal mind of our time?
According to G&P, yes
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67321 wrote:
sneed78 wrote:
67321 wrote:
Allamericanman wrote:
67321 wrote:
KISSFACE wrote:So my big question now - Is even Ace's head an original or is it just another repurposed mold? Is that Sue Richards under the mask?
Gene & Ace both are indeed original.
Yea. Definitely Gene.
Ace' too. The tilt, the closed eye look, the Adams Apple.
Yep the Adam's apple kinda kept me from searching for pics of the Farrah Fawcett doll to prove it was Ace... :bom: :drunken:
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67321 wrote:
KISSFACE wrote:So my big question now - Is even Ace's head an original or is it just another repurposed mold? Is that Sue Richards under the mask?
Gene & Ace both are indeed original.

Ace's head has an African American stand in. :D
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sneed78 wrote:After 39 years this is news to me.

Not sure if this has been discussed here but did anyone else realize that not only is Paul's '78 sculpt a Daryl Dragon head from Capt and Tenille, but Peter's head is actually leftovers from Gene Hackman's Lex Luther?

Compare the two:
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Mind. Blown.

Here's more discussion about it:

http://megomuseum.com/community/showthr ... Lex-Luthor
maybe I am reading this wrong or its been cleared up in other replies, but this link brings you to another link that states:
1. the superman dolls were produces AFTER the KISS dolls
2. the Lex Luthor figure (above) is NOT based on Gene Hackman but the comic book version.

so if anything, the Peter Criss head was recycled for the Lex Luthor figure and NOT the other way around.
someone correct me if I am not understanding it correctly.
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I would think that was a very common practice back then by the big toy manufacturers; interchanging body parts to crank out these specialty dolls on short notice, with little cost or production work involved; then dress them, fancy packaging and send them to market all over the place
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Yes !
The gamorrean guard from return of the jedi action figure line was used as an entirely different "character" from an other movie or something. Common practice
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Hell, KISS has been putting Peter & Ace makeup on two other guys for over a decade now. What's the big deal over a little dolly?
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Crimson Harpoon wrote:Hell, KISS has been putting Peter & Ace makeup on two other guys for over a decade now. What's the big deal over a little dolly?
Gene Hackman is a scab with no integrity.
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His Majesty wrote:
Crimson Harpoon wrote:Hell, KISS has been putting Peter & Ace makeup on two other guys for over a decade now. What's the big deal over a little dolly?
Gene Hackman is a scab with no integrity.
Lex Luthor is a Nazi.
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WRALPHchild wrote:
sneed78 wrote:After 39 years this is news to me.

Not sure if this has been discussed here but did anyone else realize that not only is Paul's '78 sculpt a Daryl Dragon head from Capt and Tenille, but Peter's head is actually leftovers from Gene Hackman's Lex Luther?

Compare the two:
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Mind. Blown.

Here's more discussion about it:

http://megomuseum.com/community/showthr ... Lex-Luthor
1. the superman dolls were produced AFTER the KISS dolls.

So if anything, the Peter Criss head was recycled for the Lex Luthor figure and NOT the other way around.
someone correct me if I am not understanding it correctly.
I want to believe this. But, Peter's face has 'raised' eyebrows (as in you can rub over 'em and feel 'em). The other faces are smooth. Of course Paul's does not have ears and his head has molded hair. I know, it's Daryl's head. But, if Peter's came first why does he have eyebrows that you can feel?
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The mold actually looks like Gene Hackman and really nothing like Peter when the cat makeups not added to it. They probably started production on the Superman figures a year or months before the movie was released so extra Lex Luthor heads were available for the quickie production of the KISS figures.
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No, I don't think this is correct. Also, the super hero mego dolls were much smaller than the KISS 12 inch. Don't know if the heads were smaller on those.

The Captain and Paul is indeed true. Look under the back of Paul's hair and you'll see The Captains plastic mold hair.
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I didn't know that Peter was Lex Unmasked. I have wondered that. Of course I knew Paul was the Capt or vice versa. Its been my avatar for years. This is why I still visit the FAQ. Peters doll always looked the best to me, then Ace. I got him for Christmas of 78' and my brother got the Gene doll. I got the Gene solo album that Christmas and my brother got Peter's album. I never thought about it then. But, most got the Demon or the Kitty Cat in the 70's. You had to live with it to love it I guess. I still have my dolls. Paul has a cast on his leg still under his costume from doing dives off the roof into a tub of water. Rockers don't bathe...
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Megomuseum says the Pete is a reworked Hackman. I'd suppose it's not a long shot that the Superman dolls were well underway before the KISS dolls. The Superman movie had a lot of press while it was still in production and had started filming in the early Spring of '77. (Heh - unless there were French Connection Megos in the works)

An interview with Ken Sheller (the sculptor) says they sometimes blew up the 8-inch heads to fit the 12-inch dolls, in some technical production manner, which made them look all the stranger.

Haha - on the packaging, I see Lex is a new and improved 12-and-a-HALF inches high.

I was reading somewhere that the original plan was simply to have all 4 of them use the Same Head and just distinguish them with the makeup. But KISS had likeness approval and stopped that. On the other hand, they wanted the dolls to have hairy chests printed or painted on but their likeness approval only covered the heads.

So cheap, but KISS did have approval... Did Paul not recognize "The Captain?" I wonder if Peter wondered WTF was up with the expression on his face.
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KISSFACE wrote:Megomuseum says the Pete is a reworked Hackman. I'd suppose it's not a long shot that the Superman dolls were well underway before the KISS dolls. The Superman movie had a lot of press while it was still in production and had started filming in the early Spring of '77.

An interview with Ken Sheller (the sculptor) says they sometimes blew up the 8-inch heads to fit the 12-inch dolls, in some technical production manner, which made them look all the stranger.

Haha - on the packaging, I see Lex is a new and improved 12-and-a-HALF inches high.
I'm gonna buy a Hackman Mego and have my Uncle repaint it to look like Peter.
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[quote="KISSFACE"]Megomuseum says the Pete is a reworked Hackman.

I've been unable to find that on Megomuseum as a stated fact. Do you mean the discussion that is on the forum there about it? If so, that is what we are discussing here.
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KISSFACE wrote:Megomuseum says the Pete is a reworked Hackman.
I've been unable to find that on Megomuseum as a stated fact. Do you mean the discussion that is on the forum there about it? If so, that is what we are discussing here.
It was a caption in the Ken Sheller Gallery by whomever put the site together, not by Sheller himself. I haven't checked out their forums yet.
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KISSFACE wrote:
KISSTRONAUT wrote:
KISSFACE wrote:Megomuseum says the Pete is a reworked Hackman.
I've been unable to find that on Megomuseum as a stated fact. Do you mean the discussion that is on the forum there about it? If so, that is what we are discussing here.
It was a caption in the Ken Sheller Gallery by whomever put the site together, not by Sheller himself. I haven't checked out their forums yet.
Thanks KISSFACE. All things are pointing to it being true. Amazing.
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KISSTRONAUT wrote:
KISSFACE wrote:
KISSTRONAUT wrote:
KISSFACE wrote:Megomuseum says the Pete is a reworked Hackman.
I've been unable to find that on Megomuseum as a stated fact. Do you mean the discussion that is on the forum there about it? If so, that is what we are discussing here.
It was a caption in the Ken Sheller Gallery by whomever put the site together, not by Sheller himself. I haven't checked out their forums yet.
Thanks KISSFACE. All things are pointing to it being true. Amazing.
Of course it's true. Sad, but true. :( The "cleft chin" is the proof that it's HACKMAN!
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67321 wrote:
Of course it's true. Sad, but true. :( The "cleft chin" is the proof that it's HACKMAN!
Yeah. Just like some official confirmation from a Mego source.
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JohnBergless wrote:I would think that was a very common practice back then by the big toy manufacturers; interchanging body parts to crank out these specialty dolls on short notice, with little cost or production work involved; then dress them, fancy packaging and send them to market all over the place
This sounds most likely to me, although they probably just reused molds rather than using extra heads that were lying around. Gene would definitely have a unique mold to get the tongue, but I'm kinda surprised Ace got one, since they easily could have used a Jaclyn Smith head or something and got a passable Ace. Maybe Peter's doll used a mold for a Hackman/Luthor doll that never went into production.
WRALPHchild wrote:maybe I am reading this wrong or its been cleared up in other replies, but this link brings you to another link that states:
1. the superman dolls were produces AFTER the KISS dolls
2. the Lex Luthor figure (above) is NOT based on Gene Hackman but the comic book version.

so if anything, the Peter Criss head was recycled for the Lex Luthor figure and NOT the other way around.
someone correct me if I am not understanding it correctly.

Everything I can find points to the Lex Luthor doll being produced in 1977 and being 12.5" just like the KISS dolls, although it doesn't look to me to be based on Hackman nor does it look like the Peter doll. Looks more like Kevin Spacey to me.

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Sam wrote:
JohnBergless wrote:I would think that was a very common practice back then by the big toy manufacturers; interchanging body parts to crank out these specialty dolls on short notice, with little cost or production work involved; then dress them, fancy packaging and send them to market all over the place
This sounds most likely to me, although they probably just reused molds rather than using extra heads that were lying around. Gene would definitely have a unique mold to get the tongue, but I'm kinda surprised Ace got one, since they easily could have used a Jaclyn Smith head or something and got a passable Ace. Maybe Peter's doll used a mold for a Hackman/Luthor doll that never went into production.
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sneed78 wrote:maybe I am reading this wrong or its been cleared up in other replies, but this link brings you to another link that states:
1. the superman dolls were produces AFTER the KISS dolls
2. the Lex Luthor figure (above) is NOT based on Gene Hackman but the comic book version.

so if anything, the Peter Criss head was recycled for the Lex Luthor figure and NOT the other way around.
someone correct me if I am not understanding it correctly.

Everything I can find points to the Lex Luthor doll being produced in 1977 and being 12.5" just like the KISS dolls, although it doesn't look to me to be based on Hackman nor does it look like the Peter doll. Looks more like Kevin Spacey to me.

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Hmmm, I'm being quoted for someone else's comments?
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KISS was considered a fad in '78 (which unfortunately turned out to be true as the 70's came to a close) so the idea of Mego rushing production and using existing head molds to hurry and cash in on the fad isn't far-fetched.

Even as a kid, the molded hair under Paul's rooted afro led me to the conclusion that Mego used existing Ken doll heads for him.
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chriszilla wrote:I guess the part I find most amazing is that there was a Captain & Tenille doll of Daryl Dragon!!
Off-topic but I feel bad for the Captain. After all these years, she not only divorces him, but talks smack. I'd still do 'er tho, seems like she'd be wild.

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redinthesky wrote:
chriszilla wrote:I guess the part I find most amazing is that there was a Captain & Tenille doll of Daryl Dragon!!
Off-topic but I feel bad for the Captain. After all these years, she not only divorces him, but talks smack. I'd still do 'er tho, seems like she'd be wild.

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Yeah I read a few articles where she talked about their marriage problems. Sign of the times in this tell all world. It's been suggested she's batting for the other team now? Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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KISSFACE wrote:Image

Weird that they put movie-style heads on comic-style bodies!


Mattel did a Hackman Luthor in more recent years, complete with Kryptonite necklace and choice of removable wigs!!

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sneed78 wrote:Hmmm, I'm being quoted for someone else's comments?
Sorry 'bout that. Fixed it.

You know, the more I stare hypnotically into the eyes of the Lex Luthor doll, I start to think maybe that is the same head as the Peter doll.

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Someone who has the Peter doll should hunt down the Luthor doll and make plaster death masks of both of them for comparison.
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The Celestial wrote:
KISSFACE wrote:Image

Weird that they put movie-style heads on comic-style bodies!


Mattel did a Hackman Luthor in more recent years, complete with Kryptonite necklace and choice of removable wigs!!

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Looks nothing like him.
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I certainly believe it. Nearly every aspect of KISSTORY (except for the actual music) has been proven to be a sham.
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