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In an interview with on Full in Bloom, Bouchard didn’t hold back when it came to his thoughts on the ‘I Was Made For Lovin’ You’ hitmakers.

“You know, I’d be sitting with [KISS singer/guitarist] Paul Stanley, going ‘Wow, this guy, really, he thinks he’s God’s gift… Give it a break, man, don’t tell me how great you are. You don’t see me doing that, we’re all here together…’

“And Gene was the same way, he just felt the need to act superior, to sound superior – I don’t know, what is that? Why do people do that?”

Bouchard compared it to Blue Oyster Cult’s experience with Black Sabbath, saying that while he had issues with some of their members, he didn’t feel as if they acted “superior” to them.

“Ronnie Dio, some weird thing happened with Tony Iommi [when BOC was touring with Black Sabbath], but I never felt like those guys felt like they were superior to anybody, I never got the same feeling,” he said.

“There were bad experiences with good people but with KISS, it was more of the opposite. Good experiences with bad people.


“I’ll tell you the craziest thing. We had this roadie – he could go get stuff for us or he could make phone calls and whatnot. We were recording at the Record Plant, and KISS was there.

“And he [the roadie] was downstairs, he’d gone down to get somebody’s Coca-Cola or something, and Gene Simmons comes in, and he’s making his way through the whole throng of fans, and he goes, ‘Chaim, Chaim? Why don’t you tell them your real name? Come on, tell them!’

“And so what happened was, he [Gene] chased him [the roadie] into the building, and of course, the roadie came up the elevator and came up to the studio where we were, and Gene missed the elevator, so he took the next one.

“So Ron jumps out the elevator and says ‘You got to hide me, Gene Simmons is going to kill me! I called him Chaim in front of his fans!’ Like, ‘Ron, just take it easy!’

“He [Gene] comes up ‘Where is he?!’ We’re like, ‘Gene, come on…’ He says, ‘He was insulting me!’ I said, ‘Oh, really? You are insulted when you’re called Chaim? Is that what you would say to your parents?’

“He’s like, ‘Oh, shut up!’ Yeah, that was rich. I mean, I think it was a very entertaining show, I liked it, but yeah, he’s a jerk.”
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And in other news water is wet, fire is hot.
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I say you're a small person if you bring up stupid stories like that from several decades ago. I mean, come on...

I felt the same way with Jacob Dylan's story about Paul. So, he didn't give your son a Kiss doll? Buy the goddamn doll to your own son.
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Not an interesting story teller, I'm sorry to say ...
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Bruce: agreed.
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Well, that story went absolutely nowhere! Don't book him as an after-dinner speaker.
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Did Gene ever have his name legally changed from Chaim?
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Pete2174 wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:42 am And in other news water is wet, fire is hot.
Love me some BOC! Second rock show I ever saw. At a college Gym no less! Bouchard is like Captain Obvious!
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Listen I've met Gene numerous times and yes, he always tries to sound as if he's on another planet than the fans intelligent wise. Nice guy but mostly talks down to you.
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southernkiss wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:55 am Did Gene ever have his name legally changed from Chaim?
I have no knowledge, but I'm convinced that Gene would never have his name changed. I know he's talked about "naming yourself Vs the name you were given," but he would never consider it. Nick & Sophie certainly go by the Simmons surname, though. Does your kid have to have your last name, or any last name? Like if you just wanted your daughter's name to be P!NK? All of this name switching and ... and so forth ...
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Sounds like 1979. The KISS egos were in full effect.
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In the U.S., I think that the parent can decide what their child’s last name will be. Upon becoming an adult, it can be legally changed by the adult child.
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I think there was always issues between KISS and BOC. KISS was there opening act then headlined over them. I’m sure that was the source of vindication for KISS and a red ass for BOC.
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jannep17 wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:55 am I felt the same way with Jacob Dylan's story about Paul. So, he didn't give your son a Kiss doll? Buy the goddamn doll to your own son.
Yeah, no kidding! Thanks to the payments Bob Dylan got from performing all of those 60's songs that Leonard Cohen ghost-wrote for him, Bob certainly had enough money to give his son an allowance.
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I agree with kevsdad.

I always thought BOC going from the headliner to the opener (for KISS) probably bruised a few egos.

BOC opened for KISS again on the Asylum tour at MSG. That might have been the last time BOC played there.
(Not a dig against BOC..they're cool in my book).
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jannep17 wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:55 am I say you're a small person if you bring up stupid stories like that from several decades ago. I mean, come on...

The OP didn't mention that Bouchard was specifically asked about this, Bouchard didn't just bring it up randomly.

The question to him was, "Now I read somewhere that back in the early days of Blue Oyster Cult, you had a bad experience with Kiss?"

And the first thing Bouchard says which, again, the OP conveniently left out, was, "Ehhh, I don't know, I can't say I specifically had any bad experiences with Kiss...." and then extends that thought and discusses talking to Paul and Gene's going nuts about the name thing.
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redinthesky wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:01 am
jannep17 wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:55 am I say you're a small person if you bring up stupid stories like that from several decades ago. I mean, come on...

The OP didn't mention that Bouchard was specifically asked about this, Bouchard didn't just bring it up randomly.

The question to him was, "Now I read somewhere that back in the early days of Blue Oyster Cult, you had a bad experience with Kiss?"

And the first thing Bouchard says which, again, the OP conveniently left out, was, "Ehhh, I don't know, I can't say I specifically had any bad experiences with Kiss...." and then extends that thought and discusses talking to Paul and Gene's going nuts about the name thing.
I feel bad for him. I'm sick of this so-called journalism, digging for dirt even when there is nothing there.
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Only new thing I learned was BOC had some weird roadies.
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Is there anyone who has actually achieved MORE than Gene and Paul that has bad-mouthed them?
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Jealousy is a very powerful emotion. It can cause someone’s entire character to change until the jealousy goes away.
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Anyone outside the band or from their past ripping on KISS = bruised ego, jealous, not credible
Anyone on this board praising KISS = fanboy, G&P Lover, sheep
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It’s no secret Gene and Paul are stuck up. We’ve heard these type of stories for years.
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“And Gene was the same way, he just felt the need to act superior, to sound superior – I don’t know, what is that? Why do people do that?”

It is called Confidence. I find most people making this statement really mean "I have no confidence and this guy acts and sounds like he has skills and abilities that are superior to me."
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kisshall2 wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:30 am “And Gene was the same way, he just felt the need to act superior, to sound superior – I don’t know, what is that? Why do people do that?”

It is called Confidence. I find most people making this statement really mean "I have no confidence and this guy acts and sounds like he has skills and abilities that are superior to me."
I'd say it's the opposite and that that kind of behavior is rooted in insecurity. People with real confidence don't need to act like that.
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I’ve met Gene 5 times and he was more than kind each time. Sounds like someone is holding resentment
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In the Suds wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:46 am
kisshall2 wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:30 am “And Gene was the same way, he just felt the need to act superior, to sound superior – I don’t know, what is that? Why do people do that?”

It is called Confidence. I find most people making this statement really mean "I have no confidence and this guy acts and sounds like he has skills and abilities that are superior to me."
I'd say it's the opposite and that that kind of behavior is rooted in insecurity. People with real confidence don't need to act like that.
I agree. And I have often wondered, just like the BOC drummer, what's the point of acting like that? Is there anything to win by doing that? Could it be Gene found that that over-confident style works for scoring chicks and he got stuck with it?
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I've never met any of them, but I have no doubt that Paul and Gene can be jerks (I'd imagine they try to come across nicer to fans). But if this was make up era when they are still trying to keep their identity secret then the roadie was a proper dick.
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Shocking.

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The OP didn't "Conveniently" leave out anything. Why do some fans on this board feel as though whenever somebody posts negative things said about the band by other people , The person posting it must feel the exact same way? I thought as KISS fans we are allowed to talk about the good, the bad and the ugly here? I didn't give my personal opinion about how I feel about Bouchard's remarks, So why assume that I'm bashing Gene or agreeing with BOC? I came across this article and posted it because this is a KISS forum. Is it not?
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spacedemon wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:21 pm The OP didn't "Conveniently" leave out anything. Why do some fans on this board feel as though whenever somebody posts negative things said about the band by other people , The person posting it must feel the exact same way? I thought as KISS fans we are allowed to talk about the good, the bad and the ugly here? I didn't give my personal opinion about how I feel about Bouchard's remarks, So why assume that I'm bashing Gene or agreeing with BOC? I came across this article and posted it because this is a KISS forum. Is it not?
Since you are referencing me, I'll answer. You have to give proper context. You gave no context. I've seen/heard/read interviews with Albert Bouchard, and he always seemed like a cool guy. To make out like he just started blurting out things against Kiss is wrong IMO. He was asked, and even then, said he didn't have any bad experiences with them, and then told a few brief stories, which were very believable anyway.
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Granted this must have been during when they were trying to keep their Identities secret.
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The general consensus is G&P we’re always kind of unlikeable guys. They were loners.

I always think back to a story in Lydia’s book where she said her & Jeanette were on tour with the band and they went to a party that Gene was giving for the band and crew and Lydia said Her and Jeanette didn’t want to go but they felt sorry for Gene because nobody else went because the crew all hated him. Charming Gene then showed Lydia & Jeanette some of his homemade pornos and then they left too. Lol
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kisshall2 wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:30 am “And Gene was the same way, he just felt the need to act superior, to sound superior – I don’t know, what is that? Why do people do that?”

It is called Confidence. I find most people making this statement really mean "I have no confidence and this guy acts and sounds like he has skills and abilities that are superior to me."
It's called narcissism.
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TwistedTaste wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:52 pm The general consensus is G&P we’re always kind of unlikeable guys. They were loners.

I always think back to a story in Lydia’s book where she said her & Jeanette were on tour with the band and they went to a party that Gene was giving for the band and crew and Lydia said Her and Jeanette didn’t want to go but they felt sorry for Gene because nobody else went because the crew all hated him. Charming Gene then showed Lydia & Jeanette some of his homemade pornos and then they left too. Lol

Yuck. I've always felt that if these guys weren't rich and famous they'd be the perverts that no one would want to associate with.
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Bruce wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:09 am Not an interesting story teller, I'm sorry to say ...
Ah yes, a criticism of KISS and GAP in particular.

Therefore his story is shit, and old news.

Yet, the revisionist garbage from GAP is okay though?
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69th_B1izard wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:23 am Sounds like 1979. The KISS egos were in full effect.
1977. The fans in question were a bunch of teenage girls & guests of Gene while in the studio for "LOVE GUN". They weren't exactly overly pleased to find-out Gene was a Israeli/Jewish immigrant, either. And not a personal detail or something Gene wanted floating around & because we all still needed to believe he was born in NYC (& just like the rest of KISS), etc.

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Gene & Paul had to deal with a significant amount of anti-Semitism. Plus of course, people who took issue over it; typically, didn't make anything at all that pleasant, nor easy for either of them.

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I like all those KISS guys. If I didn’t I guess I’d be over on the Blue Oyster FAQ.
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Bruce wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:30 am
southernkiss wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:55 am Did Gene ever have his name legally changed from Chaim?
I have no knowledge, but I'm convinced that Gene would never have his name changed. I know he's talked about "naming yourself Vs the name you were given," but he would never consider it. Nick & Sophie certainly go by the Simmons surname, though. Does your kid have to have your last name, or any last name? Like if you just wanted your daughter's name to be P!NK? All of this name switching and ... and so forth ...
I believe the story is when Gene and his mom came to America, his mom had their last name legally changed from Witz to Klein and she made him Gene Klein. This was done to lose the foreign aspect of the name and assimilate better into the US. Times were different back then. Not sure if he took that further and legally changed it from Klein to Simmons.
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Anomaly wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:17 am Only new thing I learned was BOC had some weird roadies.
One BOC roadie/tech saved my life from being electrocuted (circa 1976, wandering around on the KISS "Destroyer" stage). He told me I was very lucky I had a nice ass & he had his eye on me the entire time. And because if he didn't, I'd probably been zapped to death. I still got a really good zap, regardless.

It felt like 1000s of electrified needles stabbing me, but mostly concentrated in my hand & up my arm.

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TwistedTaste wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:52 pm The general consensus is G&P we’re always kind of unlikeable guys. They were loners.
There are a lot of likable loners. There are also a lot of unlikable people who are more on the social side.
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southernkiss wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:06 pm
TwistedTaste wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:52 pm The general consensus is G&P we’re always kind of unlikeable guys. They were loners.
There are a lot of likable loners. There are also a lot of unlikable people who are more on the social side.
And then there are unlikeable loners like Kiss’ puppet string holders :)
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I’m a casual fan of BOC. Cool tunes. Have no idea what the members are like as people.

I love Kizz!!! Changed my life for the better. But I imagine Gene & Paul are extremely rude people IRL.
spacedemon wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:38 am “And he [the roadie] was downstairs, he’d gone down to get somebody’s Coca-Cola or something, and Gene Simmons comes in, and he’s making his way through the whole throng of fans, and he goes, ‘Chaim, Chaim? Why don’t you tell them your real name? Come on, tell them!’

“And so what happened was, he [Gene] chased him [the roadie] into the building, and of course, the roadie came up the elevator and came up to the studio where we were, and Gene missed the elevator, so he took the next one.

“So Ron jumps out the elevator and says ‘You got to hide me, Gene Simmons is going to kill me! I called him Chaim in front of his fans!’ Like, ‘Ron, just take it easy!’

“He [Gene] comes up ‘Where is he?!’ We’re like, ‘Gene, come on…’ He says, ‘He was insulting me!’ I said, ‘Oh, really? You are insulted when you’re called Chaim? Is that what you would say to your parents?’

“He’s like, ‘Oh, shut up!’ Yeah, that was rich. I mean, I think it was a very entertaining show, I liked it, but yeah, he’s a jerk.”
⬆️ The Roadie was being an total asshole, trying to provoke Gene.

If I was a rock star going by Richie Rocker & some asshole was trying to provoke me by calling me Richard (middle name) (last name) I would tell em to fuck right off.

LET ALONE a dude who is in a band that purposely keeps their identities secret !

I’m on #TeamGene in this instance.
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jkiss wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:02 pm
Anomaly wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:17 am Only new thing I learned was BOC had some weird roadies.
One BOC roadie/tech saved my life from being electrocuted (circa 1976, wandering around on the KISS "Destroyer" stage). He told me I was very lucky I had a nice ass & he had his eye on me the entire time. And because if he didn't, I'd probably been zapped to death. I still got a really good zap, regardless.

It felt like 1000s of electrified needles stabbing me, but mostly concentrated in my hand & up my arm.

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What a story!! Hope you were alright. ⚡️SHOCK ME⚡️
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Re: Blue Oyster Cult drummer says KISS’ Gene Simmons is a “jerk”

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I read this too so you beat me too it. For some reason Kiss pops up all over my smart news now.
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jkiss wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:02 pm
Anomaly wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:17 am Only new thing I learned was BOC had some weird roadies.
One BOC roadie/tech saved my life from being electrocuted (circa 1976, wandering around on the KISS "Destroyer" stage). He told me I was very lucky I had a nice ass & he had his eye on me the entire time. And because if he didn't, I'd probably been zapped to death. I still got a really good zap, regardless.

It felt like 1000s of electrified needles stabbing me, but mostly concentrated in my hand & up my arm.

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Oh, shit! So glad you are still with us. Very scary!
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Re: Blue Oyster Cult drummer says KISS’ Gene Simmons is a “jerk”

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steveh67 wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:15 pm Ah yes, a criticism of KISS and GAP in particular.

Therefore his story is shit, and old news.

Yet, the revisionist garbage from GAP is okay though?
Absolutely none of that was implied by me. This drummer is, quite simply, not an interesting interview subject. His little window into backstage antics, or Gene's supposed snobbery just wasn't cutting it. My comments applied to him, not to KIϟϟ.

And with complete sympathy for your question, let me just say that Revionist KIϟϟtory doesn't matter anymore, if it ever did. When did we ever get the straight story about anything KIϟϟ has ever done? When? The "facts" have almost always come from outside, or peripheral sources. None of this is, at all, new.

KIϟϟ is elderly. Yet, they travel the world, meet uncounted people, and routinely have unique experiences reserved only for the elite. Expecting them to keep straight what roadie restrung what guitar on what tour from 40 years ago is asking for a helluva lot from these Elder Statesmen. We're lucky they're in as good a shape as they're in. Let them tell they're own story, their way. It really is of no import ...
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jkiss wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:02 pm
Anomaly wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:17 am Only new thing I learned was BOC had some weird roadies.
One BOC roadie/tech saved my life from being electrocuted (circa 1976, wandering around on the KISS "Destroyer" stage). He told me I was very lucky I had a nice ass & he had his eye on me the entire time. And because if he didn't, I'd probably been zapped to death. I still got a really good zap, regardless.

It felt like 1000s of electrified needles stabbing me, but mostly concentrated in my hand & up my arm.

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How did you manage to get on the stage?
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Bruce wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:09 am Not an interesting story teller, I'm sorry to say ...
Agreed. That story was so blah.
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Re: Blue Oyster Cult drummer says KISS’ Gene Simmons is a “jerk”

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jkiss wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:02 pm
Anomaly wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:17 am Only new thing I learned was BOC had some weird roadies.
One BOC roadie/tech saved my life from being electrocuted (circa 1976, wandering around on the KISS "Destroyer" stage). He told me I was very lucky I had a nice ass & he had his eye on me the entire time. And because if he didn't, I'd probably been zapped to death. I still got a really good zap, regardless.

It felt like 1000s of electrified needles stabbing me, but mostly concentrated in my hand & up my arm.

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Glad you are here to tell your stories!