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Both produced by Nevison. Just a couple years apart. How did Nevison nail Damn Yankees and produce a let down like Crazy Nights. DY debut is pretty awesome IMO....thoughts.
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Crazy Nights -- I cannot get my fill--!!
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Well...it's really not a fair comparison. Crazy Nights was basically KISS being a one man band at the time (Stanley)..and Damn Yankees being a 3 man crew (Blades/Nuge/Shaw) plus the producer. So..not really fair even from songwriting standpoint
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Crazy Nights all the way. I couldn't stand Damn Yankees at all.
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Bruce wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:54 pm Crazy Nights -- I cannot get my fill--!!
Me neither!!
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I am not a big fan of the Crazy Nights album, but I will take it over anything by DAMN YANKEES.
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DY were a "new supergroup" while Kiss was a band that had been around forever and no longer had half its members. So maybe people looked at them differently? Simple answer is probably people like High Enough more than Reason to Live.
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I’m not into Nugent personally, but his 70s studio albums are mostly double and in some instances triple platinum. That’s a hell of a lot more than KISS’. The only KISS studio album that’s double platinum is Destroyer. And that didn’t happen until 2011.
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This thread has got me listening to Crazy Nights, now! It must be ... KIϟϟmet ...


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Production on both is too rounded and smoothed - no edge to it - typical 80s thing but has to CN all the way
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Anything with Nugent is kinda an instant-lose.
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KISS could have definitely benefited from the Ron Nevison that produced Damn Yankees instead of Heart, which just didn't work at all on Crazy Nights.
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Jasper wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:23 am Production on both is too rounded and smoothed - no edge to it - typical 80s thing but has to CN all the way
There is some edge here despite the 80's style production. CN would have sounded way better if it was produced like this.



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SaintN'Sinner83 wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:45 am Anything with Nugent is kinda an instant-lose.
I do not understand his appeal, at all -- much less Gene's fascination with oft having him as an opening act. "We opened for him in the Seventies, don't you see?" He's shyte, Gene ... get rid of him.
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Grand Classic wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:54 am
Jasper wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:23 am Production on both is too rounded and smoothed - no edge to it - typical 80s thing but has to CN all the way
There is some edge here despite the 80's style production. CN would have sounded way better if it was produced like this.



Completely agree there is still something there but it was a time when bands were almost apologising for having loud guitars - at least on album.

I may not be using the correct term but the guitars sound very compressed

For me, even AC/DC's Blow Up Your Video from the same era lacked that 'crunch'
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Bruce wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:24 am
SaintN'Sinner83 wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:45 am Anything with Nugent is kinda an instant-lose.
I do not understand his appeal, at all -- much less Gene's fascination with oft having him as an opening act. "We opened for him in the Seventies, don't you see?" He's shyte, Gene ... get rid of him.
In the 70’s along with Ace & Brian May, Ted Nugent really knew how to put together and structure a guitar solo.

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An excellent lead guitarist is hard to find ...
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KISS were cheesy in the '80s.

But they were never 'kick down a trailer door while wearing zebra print jumper, wrap around shades while wailing a guitar solo' cheesy.
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SaintN'Sinner83 wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:21 pm KISS were cheesy in the '80s.

But they were never 'kick down a trailer door while wearing zebra print jumper, wrap around shades while wailing a guitar solo' cheesy.
It doesn't really get any more pathetic or cheesy than the Asylum era - even as bad as Nugent can be.
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Grand Classic wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:54 am
Jasper wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:23 am Production on both is too rounded and smoothed - no edge to it - typical 80s thing but has to CN all the way
There is some edge here despite the 80's style production. CN would have sounded way better if it was produced like this.



There is no 'edge' in Damn fucking Yankees. lol
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In the Suds wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:42 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:54 am
Jasper wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:23 am Production on both is too rounded and smoothed - no edge to it - typical 80s thing but has to CN all the way
There is some edge here despite the 80's style production. CN would have sounded way better if it was produced like this.



There is no 'edge' in Damn fucking Yankees. lol
Well relatively speaking. The songs above are "metal" compared to Crazy Nights.
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I don't know about that. Damn Yankees are about the most limp-ass milquetoast excuse for rock I can think of.
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In the Suds wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:46 pm I don't know about that. Damn Yankees are about the most limp-ass milquetoast excuse for rock I can think of.
Sure, it's Styx meets Night Ranger with a little Ted tossed in. What would anyone expect? Again the point is that they were more rocking than KISS wanting to be Bon Jovi.
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In the Suds wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:46 pm I don't know about that. Damn Yankees are about the most limp-ass milquetoast excuse for rock I can think of.
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Waspnut wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:26 pm Both produced by Nevison. Just a couple years apart. How did Nevison nail Damn Yankees and produce a let down like Crazy Nights. DY debut is pretty awesome IMO....thoughts.
How did he nail Ultimate Sin and completely botch Crazy Nights?
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Bruce wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:14 am An excellent lead guitarist is hard to find ...
Ted is an excellent lead guitarist.
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caligari wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:34 am In the 70’s along with Ace & Brian May, Ted Nugent really knew how to put together and structure a guitar solo.

I'm probably alone here, but I liked his 80s stuff too. Brian May is underrated as a lead guitarist, though in fairness, I understand why. For whatever reason, he didn't take a solo all too often. I wish he had done so more often, though I respect his not doing so all the time.
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SaintN'Sinner83 wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:21 pm KISS were cheesy in the '80s.

But they were never 'kick down a trailer door while wearing zebra print jumper, wrap around shades while wailing a guitar solo' cheesy.
Nope -- they were even worse. As with Phantom, they never learned to make fun of themselves. As such, their silly attire from 83-88 matched with their "let's take ourselves quite seriously" attitude was almost Spinal Tap levels of laughable, though even Spinal Tap realize it is all just a piss take.

"But LT, what about all of their home videos and MTV appearances where Paul is attempting to appear as if he isn't taking himself too seriously?" For those that wish to bring that reply, then I guess Paul deserves an award for his acting, because he's got you fooled it seems. Very forced, that act.
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LordThurisaz wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:46 pm
Waspnut wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:26 pm Both produced by Nevison. Just a couple years apart. How did Nevison nail Damn Yankees and produce a let down like Crazy Nights. DY debut is pretty awesome IMO....thoughts.
How did he nail Ultimate Sin and completely botch Crazy Nights?
You think Ultimate Sin is great? He ruined Ozzy too.
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LordThurisaz wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:52 pm
SaintN'Sinner83 wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:21 pm KISS were cheesy in the '80s.

But they were never 'kick down a trailer door while wearing zebra print jumper, wrap around shades while wailing a guitar solo' cheesy.
Nope -- they were even worse. As with Phantom, they never learned to make fun of themselves. As such, their silly attire from 83-88 matched with their "let's take ourselves quite seriously" attitude was almost Spinal Tap levels of laughable, though even Spinal Tap realize it is all just a piss take.

"But LT, what about all of their home videos and MTV appearances where Paul is attempting to appear as if he isn't taking himself too seriously?" For those that wish to bring that reply, then I guess Paul deserves an award for his acting, because he's got you fooled it seems. Very forced, that act.
I don't know how anyone could think that KISS weren't worse, but here we are with Saint. We may have been blind at the time, but KISS are on the Mount Rushmore of embarrassingly cheesy rock bands of the 80's.
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LordThurisaz wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:49 pm
caligari wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:34 am In the 70’s along with Ace & Brian May, Ted Nugent really knew how to put together and structure a guitar solo.

I'm probably alone here, but I liked his 80s stuff too. Brian May is underrated as a lead guitarist, though in fairness, I understand why. For whatever reason, he didn't take a solo all too often. I wish he had done so more often, though I respect his not doing so all the time.
I don’t understand:
“Brian May did not take a solo too often”…
What Queen songs ARE you listening too?

We Will Rock You
Killer Queen
I Want It All
Spread Your Wings
Bohemian Rhapsody
Tie Your Mother Down
Sleeping On The Sidewalk
Hammer To Fall
Stone Cold Crazy

Start there.
All tasty solos.

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Grand Classic wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:55 pm You think Ultimate Sin is great? He ruined Ozzy too.
I liked it quite it bit.
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LordThurisaz wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:15 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:55 pm You think Ultimate Sin is great? He ruined Ozzy too.
I liked it quite it bit.
The songs were not there for me and it was made worse with Nevison's Heart/Crazy Nights production.

I remember reading that Ozzy called Gene telling him not to work with Ron Nevision - that it was a horrible experience, but Paul was determined to work with him and nothing was going to change his mind.
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Grand Classic wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:20 pm
LordThurisaz wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:15 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:55 pm You think Ultimate Sin is great? He ruined Ozzy too.
I liked it quite it bit.
The songs were not there for me and it was made worse with Nevison's Heart/Crazy Nights production.

I remember reading that Ozzy called Gene telling him not to work with Ron Nevision - that it was a horrible experience, but Paul was determined to work with him and nothing was going to change his mind.
Aside from not caring for the artist attempting to make Sharon look attractive on the cover, I thought the sound of the album was fine. Unlike Crazy Nights, it sounds like a rock record.
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LordThurisaz wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:45 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:20 pm
LordThurisaz wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:15 pm
Grand Classic wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:55 pm You think Ultimate Sin is great? He ruined Ozzy too.
I liked it quite it bit.
The songs were not there for me and it was made worse with Nevison's Heart/Crazy Nights production.

I remember reading that Ozzy called Gene telling him not to work with Ron Nevision - that it was a horrible experience, but Paul was determined to work with him and nothing was going to change his mind.
Aside from not caring for the artist attempting to make Sharon look attractive on the cover, I thought the sound of the album was fine. Unlike Crazy Nights, it sounds like a rock record.
Do you like it more than Bark Of The Moon in terms of Jake albums?
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Grand Classic wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:59 pm Do you like it more than Bark Of The Moon in terms of Jake albums?
I like them about even, though I prefer the original mix of Bark with an alternate tracklist.
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SaintN'Sinner83 wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:45 am Anything with Nugent is kinda an instant-lose.
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Crazy Nights, not even close.
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Two albums created in board rooms & played in bored rooms

Corporate rock presented at the apex of meh

Coming of Age isn't bad, it's decent enough generic rock but Damn Yankees could have been exhibit A in a presentation showing the decline of rock & roll from cool to widgets for the masses

Crazy Nights was just so bland. The almost title track is kinda OK but unfortunately it's just not exciting at all. Hell or High Water is the best song here but it's like being the least wince inducing pimple on a pock marked face. The rest of Crazy Nights is pretty plastic. It's like they were trying to create a musical form of astroturf or styrofoam. Zero punch. Gene's tracks are much, much better than Paul's but that's not saying a whole lot since they were both firing blanks on this LP

For me this would be a draw
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Come Again from DY's debut features what could well be Ted Nugent's best solo ever, and that's saying a lot given his earlier output.
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CStomp1 wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:44 am Come Again from DY's debut features what could well be Ted Nugent's best solo ever, and that's saying a lot given his earlier output.
Come Again proves that Ted, despite anyone's lame feelings on his politics, could and can go toe to toe with any of the great lead guitarists in history. For anyone that cares, I'm guessing he probably used his PRS for the solo. So far as I know, his other guitars do not have a whammy bar.
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Think Ron said a lot of guitar work done on DY was Shaw. Ted would come by and punch in a solo or two and bail.
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The Damn Yankees debut was a great album. Really good tour too. Uncle Ted was really blistering the Frets on that Gibson.

Ironic that Kiss had to get Ted in on the crazy nights tour so they didn't have to cancel it.
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Damn Yankees were really good...loved their stuff. To me,CN was on of KIss' worst albums. Not even close for me
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Yankees, easy choice
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LordThurisaz wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:48 pm
Bruce wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:14 am An excellent lead guitarist is hard to find ...
Ted is an excellent lead guitarist.
Yes he is. But he's an idiot in a LOT of ways. He's pro Trump, anti vax. Not very bright.
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Crazy nights sucked. Mostly 80's filler. Like a lot of their 80's stuff. And the god damn electronic keyboards helped ruin it too.