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It took me a long while to really get into "Carnival...", but now I love it. I agree with Mr Slow that its Kiss' best album musically and pushing the envelope. It was a brave step at the time. It threw some fans, but gets some respect aswell. Call it dark, grunge or whatever, but to me its Bruce's album. He really shines on this album, and the mood he takes is also highlighted on the Union albums. "I walk alone" is perfectly placed at the end , then a cuppla years later we got the first Union album. It was like Bruces Journey, plus the music was very similar. Does anyone agree? I think we got the best out of Bruce from "Carnival.." onwards. There was a real continuity with those 3 albums.
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Tail of a hurricane wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:27 pm It took me a long while to really get into "Carnival...", but now I love it. I agree with Mr Slow that its Kiss' best album musically and pushing the envelope. It was a brave step at the time. It threw some fans, but gets some respect aswell. Call it dark, grunge or whatever, but to me its Bruce's album. He really shines on this album, and the mood he takes is also highlighted on the Union albums. "I walk alone" is perfectly placed at the end , then a cuppla years later we got the first Union album. It was like Bruces Journey, plus the music was very similar. Does anyone agree? I think we got the best out of Bruce from "Carnival.." onwards. There was a real continuity with those 3 albums.
I love Carnival...always have really.

But, I prefer Bruce's work on Union much, much more.
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battra wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:31 pm
Tail of a hurricane wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:27 pm It took me a long while to really get into "Carnival...", but now I love it. I agree with Mr Slow that its Kiss' best album musically and pushing the envelope. It was a brave step at the time. It threw some fans, but gets some respect aswell. Call it dark, grunge or whatever, but to me its Bruce's album. He really shines on this album, and the mood he takes is also highlighted on the Union albums. "I walk alone" is perfectly placed at the end , then a cuppla years later we got the first Union album. It was like Bruces Journey, plus the music was very similar. Does anyone agree? I think we got the best out of Bruce from "Carnival.." onwards. There was a real continuity with those 3 albums.
I love Carnival...always have really.

But, I prefer Bruce's work on Union much, much more.
Agree. Both were fantastic. BK3 aswell
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Tail of a hurricane wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:55 pm
battra wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:31 pm
Tail of a hurricane wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:27 pm It took me a long while to really get into "Carnival...", but now I love it. I agree with Mr Slow that its Kiss' best album musically and pushing the envelope. It was a brave step at the time. It threw some fans, but gets some respect aswell. Call it dark, grunge or whatever, but to me its Bruce's album. He really shines on this album, and the mood he takes is also highlighted on the Union albums. "I walk alone" is perfectly placed at the end , then a cuppla years later we got the first Union album. It was like Bruces Journey, plus the music was very similar. Does anyone agree? I think we got the best out of Bruce from "Carnival.." onwards. There was a real continuity with those 3 albums.
I love Carnival...always have really.

But, I prefer Bruce's work on Union much, much more.
Agree. Both were fantastic. BK3 aswell
Another fun album, but still not as good as that Union self titled release for me.
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I really like CoS. Grows on me more every listen.

I’m not a giant BK fan. He is a great player & cool person though.

What Union LP should I stream first?
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Love "C.O.S". Probably my favorite non makeup KISS album.

The Union albums?...Only bits and pieces.
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Eddie Van Hazel wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:32 pm Love "C.O.S". Probably my favorite non makeup KISS album.

The Union albums?...Only bits and pieces.
Agree with your assessment 100%. The UNION stuff wasn’t all that far removed from CARNIVAL but without Gene & Paul’s style all over it I think it was just ok.
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I’m no big fan of COS, although I like a couple of songs. The first Union album, however, is great in my opinion. The second was kinda cool too, but I haven’t listened to it in many years. I spin the debut every now and then though, and I still like that album very much.
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While it's an ok album (Cos) I find it awfully pretentious, forced.
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southwest91 wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:52 am While it's an ok album (Cos) I find it awfully pretentious, forced.
I feel the same thing... it has absolutely nothing to do with Kiss...
Long time ago a friend of mine thought COS was the best Kiss album and that was something I just couldn't understand.
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Love revenge, love Carnival, love Union
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I never thought of of the comparison of Union and COS but it's a good one. I always loved COS, I'm a 70s fan and the 80s stuff to me was OK but more just middle of the pack hair metal
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love all bruce inspired albums
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richardsimmons wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:08 pm I really like CoS. Grows on me more every listen.

What Union LP should I stream first?
Take ‘em in release order.

Hopefully, the Live album is streamable, too. Looking back, the DVD was also a great package. Two full shows, interviews and clips from the road and an unreleased song demo bonus track.
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Union and BK3 really good stuff
Carnival is ok
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Love all of those 3
The riff for Old Man Wise dates back to the COS time frame
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Union performs Jungle ...



The best of two worlds!!

Yes, Carnival of Souls is a fine KIϟϟ album. Both it and Union do seem to be the start of a motif for Bruce. Its a direction in which he was destined to go, but ... as to getting the 'best' from him, thats very difficult to say. His output from this period is certainly outstanding. KIϟϟ often called on him to do alot and he always measured up. No matter the style or technique, he came in prepared and he delivered.

Audio Dog sounds particularly influenced by Bruce's tenure in KIϟϟ. I've oft wondered if by design, or out of habit, or what. And his association with KIϟϟ, after his departure, certainly did not diminish. Demos and a couple of songs for Psycho Circus testify to that. So, Bruce, post-KIϟϟ never sounds like a prisoner unleashed. Rather a change of season.

And it did him good, I think, to be on his own. He said what he felt he had to say musically, then did the expedient thing, i guess, and got with Grand Funk Railroad to keep the lights on, at home. But for me, as a fan and great admirer of Bruce's exceptional talent, can't help but to feel as though he still had a lot more to do. Ah, well ...

Bruce talks 'Carnival of Souls'

https://sleazeroxx.com/bruce-kulick-rec ... -of-souls/
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From the very beginning I loved CoS. I've said it before that I would have loved to see where KISS would have gone from there had the reunion not ended that road.

I must confess that I've not really given Union a fair shot, but after reading the recommendations from other like-minded people, I will.
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I do not like Carnival, but the first Union album is great. I did not like the second Union album as much.
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I like Bruce's Union stuff way more than Carnival of Souls. Something about Kiss playing that music doesn't work for me.

It might be Paul's voice, in all honesty. It doesn't work as well for the material. Revenge is about as heavy as Paul should go, and really his songs on that record aren't much heavier than Lick it Up or Animalize.
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Carnival Of Shit.

Union sucked, especially Corabi lol.
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Wichita77 wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 8:47 pm From the very beginning I loved CoS. I've said it before that I would have loved to see where KISS would have gone from there had the reunion not ended that road.

I must confess that I've not really given Union a fair shot, but after reading the recommendations from other like-minded people, I will.
If you love CoS, you'll flip your nuts over Union.

Union is Carnival of Souls +4.
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I like Carnival of Souls a lot. (I like KISS’ attempt at grunge more than I like their attempt at disco and keyboard pop). I’ve not given Union a chance but since COS comparisons are being made, maybe I’ll do just that 👍
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UNION - Do Your Own Thing Live (Full Concert)

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Bruce wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:32 pm UNION - Do Your Own Thing Live (Full Concert)
Where's Live In The Galaxy?

ETA: Nevermind, it IS streamable on Amazon I see. Good.
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The two Union albums are my favourite KISS related music since Revenge.
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spiritof76 wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:23 pm Carnival Of Shit.

Union sucked, especially Corabi lol.
While I agree with 50% of above opinion, woudn't have expressed it quite thusly. Never liked COS, still can't stand it, much prefer 1st Union album, just my 2p worth, or 2c worth....
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Tail of a hurricane wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:27 pm It took me a long while to really get into "Carnival...", but now I love it. I agree with Mr Slow that its Kiss' best album musically and pushing the envelope. It was a brave step at the time. It threw some fans, but gets some respect aswell. Call it dark, grunge or whatever, but to me its Bruce's album. He really shines on this album, and the mood he takes is also highlighted on the Union albums. "I walk alone" is perfectly placed at the end , then a cuppla years later we got the first Union album. It was like Bruces Journey, plus the music was very similar. Does anyone agree? I think we got the best out of Bruce from "Carnival.." onwards. There was a real continuity with those 3 albums.
So I have been deeply sampling a lot of KISS' post-original's output and I think Carnival of Souls is massively fun and sounds great. KISS are adaptive and versatile, I don't like everything, but that album truly rocks in my opinion.
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I was listening to Unholy Radio and just played "I Will Be There".
In my opinion this is without a doubt one of the worst and most boring songs that Kiss has ever done in their entire career.
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Bruce wrote: Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:14 pm Union performs Jungle ...



The best of two worlds!!

Yes, Carnival of Souls is a fine KIϟϟ album. Both it and Union do seem to be the start of a motif for Bruce. Its a direction in which he was destined to go, but ... as to getting the 'best' from him, thats very difficult to say. His output from this period is certainly outstanding. KIϟϟ often called on him to do alot and he always measured up. No matter the style or technique, he came in prepared and he delivered.

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And it did him good, I think, to be on his own. He said what he felt he had to say musically, then did the expedient thing, i guess, and got with Grand Funk Railroad to keep the lights on, at home. But for me, as a fan and great admirer of Bruce's exceptional talent, can't help but to feel as though he still had a lot more to do. Ah, well ...

Bruce talks 'Carnival of Souls'

https://sleazeroxx.com/bruce-kulick-rec ... -of-souls/
Great interview thanks!!!